NationStates Jolt Archive


Flags and patriotism

Jeruselem
23-06-2004, 14:41
Yes, our favourite Australian Prime Minister is doing another is his "Copy the US" stunts. Read the following ...

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/22/1087844937754.html?oneclick=true

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/06/22/23TAN_FLAG.jpg

I'm asking Americans about this flag waving stuff.

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Every school in Australia will be required to fly the national flag from next year to qualify for their share of the Howard Government's new $31 billion federal schools package.

Schools will also have to provide at least two hours a week of physical education as part of a host of new conditions for receiving their money.

The changes, foreshadowed yesterday by Prime Minister John Howard and Education Minister Brendan Nelson, were attacked by the Labor Party and parent and teacher groups, but won praise from monarchists.

Mr Howard rejected suggestions that the flag requirement was old-fashioned. "I don't think there's anything old-fashioned about the display of patriotic symbols," he said.

He said he would also like to hear the national anthem sung in schools, but it would not be a funding condition.

The flag move comes after Mr Howard sparked a furore in January when he blamed a "values-neutral" and "politically correct" state system for the drift from public to private schools.

The Opposition has indicated it will pass the legislation to give schools funding certainty for next year, but criticised the flag plan, saying most schools already flew the flag and respected national symbols. "The thing that John Howard and Brendan Nelson have completely missed is that schools actually need great classrooms, lots of teachers, and the funding to make sure that they have these facilities," said Labor education spokeswoman Jenny Macklin.

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In other changes aimed at national consistency, schools will be required to commit to common outcomes tests in maths, science, English, civics and citizenship, and states will have to agree on a common school starting age by 2010.

Schools will have to provide parents with "plain language" report cards, and publish information about their academic results, school leaver destinations, absentee rates and teachers' qualifications.

And as part of the Government's obesity package to be announced next week, students from prep to year 10 must have two hours of physical education during or after school hours each week.

Victoria's acting Education Minister, Jacinta Allan, said the flag plan was an "election-year stunt" aimed at covering Canberra's inadequate funding of government schools.

She said many schools already took pride in flying the flag, and there were existing requirements for schools in Victoria to devote a set amount of time to physical education.

Australian Education Union Victorian branch president Mary Bluett said the flag plan was "a nonsense" that would force many schools to divert scarce funding - close to $20,000 - to build or replace old flagpoles.


The union's federal president, Pat Byrne, said: "It's a preoccupation with appearances rather than substance. Issues of civics education are far more subtle, and far more wide-ranging that whether or not you have a functioning flagpole."

Andrew Blair of the Victorian Association of State School Principals said he hoped the flag plan would not mean "a return to colonial Australia days" and that it was accompanied by programs recognising "the multicultural nature of our community".

The national convener of Australians for Constitutional Monarchy, David Flint, described the flag plan as an excellent idea, saying that in any country you would "expect the schools to fly the flag and the children to see the national symbol in front of them".

Independent Schools of Victoria chief executive Michelle Green said a survey had shown that the vast majority of independent schools already had poles with Australian flags.
Thunderland
23-06-2004, 14:53
I'd read it, but it says I have to register to do so, and that sounds like work.
Gigatron
23-06-2004, 14:56
You dont need to yet. There's a link at the bottom to the free page.
Jeruselem
23-06-2004, 14:58
If you read carefully, it will be registered user soon ... but not yet.
UmJimbo
23-06-2004, 15:09
UmJimbo
23-06-2004, 15:18
Sounds pretty interesting... I don't see anything wrong with having to have a flag flying infront of every school. Maybe some would find offense to it, but I don't think it would hurt anything in the long run.
Jeruselem
23-06-2004, 15:27
Sounds pretty interesting... I don't see anything wrong with having to have a flag flying infront of every school. Maybe some would find offense to it, but I don't think it would hurt anything in the long run.

It's just the blackmail part where funding is tied to flying the flag. Some schools in Australia in the remote areas will be forced to divert funding from their under-resourced budget.
imported_Aille
23-06-2004, 15:30
Some schools in Japan are now grading students on their patriotism, so it could be worse. It is blackmail, though, and a shallow and callous kind. That kind of patriotism is completely meaningless except as a show, so I think it's silly that politicians try to fight for it. I suppose it's more of a "pat themselves on the back" type deal than a real attempt at anything.
Labrador
23-06-2004, 15:30
Yes, but, while loyalty is a strength, blind loyalty is a weakness.

Would you blindly follow your country while it jumped off a figurative cliff? Or would you speak out against it?

The latter is a true patriot, the former, a blind loyalist. Which would you be?

The true patriot voices concern when he feels his country is on the verge of making a disastrous decision that will affect the well-being of his country. The blind loyalist wraps himself in the flag, mouths by rote "patriotic" slogans, and jumps off the cliff with his leaders, with sometimes disastrous results.

That same blind loyalist somehow manages to redefine "patriotism" to say that only those willing to wrap themselves in their country's flag, mouth the "patriotic" slogans, and blindly jump off that cliff with his nations leaders are patriotic...while accusing the TRUE patriot, the one who voices dissent...as being non-patriotic, when nothing could be further from the truth.
Pax Britannica Magna
23-06-2004, 15:43
We have had some (Labour) council officials in England running around on St Georges Day ripping down St Georges Flags & threatening prosecutions for "displaying racist symbology".

The Leader of the Council in my Borough (now former... hurrah) objected to a motion to fly the Union Flag in front of the council offices as "it would offend the residents of the borough". The motion was passed.

It seems that the official Labour position is that Patriotism is Racism. Tony B-Liar has repeatedly stated that there is a Scottish nation, a Welsh nation, an Irish nation, but there is no such nation as the English.
Jeruselem
23-06-2004, 15:55
We have had some (Labour) council officials in England running around on St Georges Day ripping down St Georges Flags & threatening prosecutions for "displaying racist symbology".

The Leader of the Council in my Borough (now former... hurrah) objected to a motion to fly the Union Flag in front of the council offices as "it would offend the residents of the borough". The motion was passed.

It seems that the official Labour position is that Patriotism is Racism. Tony B-Liar has repeatedly stated that there is a Scottish nation, a Welsh nation, an Irish nation, but there is no such nation as the English.

That's extreme. :shock:

If you want to fly a flag at your own behest, it's fine but forcing it on other people is quite a different manner.