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President Bush will probaly run with Dick Cheney, but what if he didn't? I decided to see how Dick Cheney could stand against other possible candidates. Post who you voted for and why, and the n nominate somone to go on the next round. Maybe who you nominate will replace this poll's loser in the next round.

i think cheney would be elected again.

Hopefully Condi Rice to set her up to be the Republican presidential nominee in '08 (and nullify a Hillary Clinton run *shudder*)

I would actualy like a McCain-Rice ticket in '08 to stop Hillary from her 3rd term.

BUSH has no chance of winning the 04 election how he is right now. However, as much as I hate him, if he runs with Rudy, then he will win...garunteed.

BUSH - ORWELL 04!!

BUSH - ORWELL 04!!

lol, yeah i got one that says


Bush-Rumsfeld '84

Cheney, Bush-Cheney will win unless the economy and the war take serious turn for the worse, the failure of those is the Democrat's only plaatform. If the Democrat's actually come up with a plaform to run on we'll have an election.

BUSH - ORWELL 04!!

lol, yeah i got one that says


Bush-Rumsfeld '84

sweet.

I personaly believe Bush will win for 2 reasons. Ralph Nader and Hillary Clinton. One Ralph Nader migth be nothing in the election, but some polls have him winning a few electoral votes and throwing the election to the House, causing a Bush win. Hillary Clinton wants Kerry to lose so she can run in '08, Hillary didn't want to take a chance at losing to Bush so she is waiting to '08 where both party's (in her plan) will have new candidates, hoping to have some name recognition.

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I personaly believe Bush will win for 2 reasons. Ralph Nader and Hillary Clinton. One Ralph Nader migth be nothing in the election, but some polls have him winning a few electoral votes and throwing the election to the House, causing a Bush win. Hillary Clinton wants Kerry to lose so she can run in '08, Hillary didn't want to take a chance at losing to Bush so she is waiting to '08 where both party's (in her plan) will have new candidates, hoping to have some name recognition.

Ralph Nader wont even draw half of the votes he did last election , and wont even get a single Electoral Vote.

Hillary is a Democrat and wont vote outside of party lines.
Especially considering that Kerry is a "Clintonesque" Democrat.

No president , with approval ratings as low as Bush's are, this far from the election, has ever won re-election.

The two most potentially exciting candidates for VP will never happen--Giuliani because he's pro-choice and Rice because she's black.

Now before I get slammed with flames for the second example, let me explain. Part of the reason the Republicans run so strongly in the south is because of their ties to, well, racists. Racists don't dominate the Republican party in the south, but they do provide the comfortable margin of victory in most cases.

Now Bush not only needs the south to win--he needs to have it sewn up early so he can go after Kerry in other places if he wants to have a shot. Putting Rice on the ticket might help Bush be competitive elsewhere, but it won't make up for the loss of his base.

As far as Giuliani is concerned, his pro-choice stance would piss off the conservative Christian base that Bush has been pandering to for the last three years, and a lot of those people are single-issue voters. They'll desert in a New York second if Rudy is on the ticket.

The two most potentially exciting candidates for VP will never happen--Giuliani because he's pro-choice and Rice because she's black.


And a woman.

frankly your opion on Rice is true. Strom Thurmond for example. Not to mention David Duke (KKK leader) actualy was able to run a real campaign for governor of Louisiana. Of corse it goes both ways Bobby Jindal lost black votes because he ws of Indian descent. But it could be argued that blacks would vote in masses for a black candidate possibly overweighing the rasict vote.

frankly your opion on Rice is true. Strom Thurmond for example. Not to mention David Duke (KKK leader) actualy was able to run a real campaign for governor of Louisiana. Of corse it goes both ways Bobby Jindal lost black votes because he ws of Indian descent. But it could be argued that blacks would vote in masses for a black candidate possibly overweighing the rasict vote.Maybe, but I doubt it. After all, while Blanco did win in part because of crossover from the racist right (and she didn't court them), Jindal didn't do very well in pulling any of the African-American vote away from Blanco. Rice might be able to make some inroads there that Jindal was unable to, but what it would cost Bush in say, Mississippi, Georgia, and the Carolinas wouldn't be worth it to him.

But it (very unlikely) could get him California. With Nader running Kerry will lose a lot of California votes, and the Hispanic population might vote for a Bush-Rice 9also unlikely because of immigration but this i shypothetical) and Bush might when the state.

BUSH - ORWELL 04!!
George Orwell? Aside from being dead what do you have against him?

Or maybe you mean "O'Brien".

dp.

About the only running mate that I can see helping Bush get close in California is Arnold Schwarzenegger, and that's an impossibility. Nader-Camejo isn't going to make this state close--Kerry should win by a good 8-10% even with Nader here.

Let me put it this way--if California is in play, Kerry's getting hammered in a landslide. It's sort of like if North Carolina or Georgia is close for Bush--he's in deep trouble.

The two most potentially exciting candidates for VP will never happen--Giuliani because he's pro-choice and Rice because she's black.
More interesting will be the Democrat and leftist conniptions when they pull out the knives on Condi. I wonder what Michael Moore will do to her?

But every vote she loses to those racist southerners she'll gain back (and then some) from women and black Democrats.

I think she's unbeatable (for president in '08. I can't say that she'll go for VP this year). We'll see.

Well Stirner, considering her performance as NSA has been execrable, I'd say there's plenty to legitimately criticize about Rice.

Look, I'll be the first to say that we're long past the time as a nation where we ought to have minorities and females as major candidates in both parties--I criticize my own party for this as well. I'm just saying that as long as the Republican party relies on the racist element to make the south safe for them electorally, there won't be a black person on the ticket.

The Republicans need the south because they've basically conceded the northeast (except for New Hampshire) and the Pacific northwest to the Democrats. Everything else is battleground. Problem is, you can't get to the battleground if you're busy shoring up the safe stuff, and Rice in 2004 would mean that Bush would have to spend valuable time and resources shoring up support he ought to be able to count on.

i think the Republicans are going to need McCain or Rice or both to defeat Hillary Clinotn in '08.

i think the Republicans are going to need McCain or Rice or both to defeat Hillary Clinotn in '08.That's based on the assumption that Kerry isn't running for re-election in 2008.

And Hillary would be far from a shoo-in. Edwards would probably run again, and Howard Dean might, Bill Richardson might, and Al Gore might as well, and those are just the big names.

So, if Kerry won who would the Republicans nominate in 2008?

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So, if Kerry won who would the Republicans nominate in 2008?Good question. For all the talk of McCain, he's getting a bit long in the tooth. 2000 was probably his last realistic chance to run.

So the leading names will be--and this is coming straight out of my ass--Jeb Bush, Rudy Giuliani, Tom Ridge, maybe Condi Rice, Bill Frist, and Rick Santorum. And for the comic relief, Judge Roy Moore of Alabama.

Well, when Roy Moore loses he can always fall abck on the Constitution Party nomination. :roll: Jeb Bush would have a hard itme gaining popularity as a third Bush, btu possible. I heard that Cheney might resign halfway thorugh if reelected and Bush is gonna appoint Tom Ridge to replace him. But its probaly not true. So, Bush might endorse Ridge if Jeb doesn't run in the primary.

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