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*Because Bush puts religion over science

48 Nobel-Winning Scientists Back Kerry
In campaign news, 48 Nobel Prize-winning scientists issued an open letter yesterday backing Democrat John Kerry while charging that President Bush has compromised the world's future by shortchanging scientific research
www.democracynow.org

heh, nice.

Personally, I'd rather see 51% of the American people choose Kerry over Bush but 48 Nobel winners is a good start.

I care why? Is this another lame attempt to state that religion and science are fundamentally incompatible, or just stating that someone who puts their personal beliefs at the forefront of their life is contemptible and unworthy to lead a nation?

I don't much like W, by the way. But I see no reason to put anything ahead of God.

:? Aiera

Does it really take Nobel Prize winners to figure out that the Bush administration favors ideology over scientific fact? I mean, I'm glad they've come out and all, but how many people are going to change their vote now that 48 Nobel Prize winners have come out and said that the Bush administration doesn't care about scientific fact when it collides with their commercial or ideological goals?

Appeal to false authority, anybody?

Appeal to false authority, anybody?That's not really fair--after all, it's not like Kerry went out and hunted these 48 NobelPrize winners down and asked for their support. You might have a case if that had happened (although considering Nobel Prize winners a false authority on the subject of science is quite iffy).

Does anyone have this from a real news site? :roll:

Appeal to false authority, anybody?That's not really fair--after all, it's not like Kerry went out and hunted these 48 NobelPrize winners down and asked for their support. You might have a case if that had happened (although considering Nobel Prize winners a false authority on the subject of science is quite iffy).

My point being that they received their awards for scientific endeavours, rather than for their political acumen. I'm sure that if, for example, Bush was willing to spend more on religion than on science, he would have no problem getting the names of 48 highly ranked members of the clergy to lend their support. All these scientists are doing is stating their own self-interests.

Edit: not to be read as taking either a Pro-Bush or Pro-Kerry position, just commenting.

Does anyone have this from a real news site? :roll:

Sorry nothing on foxnews.com or cnn.com about this.

Does anyone have this from a real news site? :roll:

Sorry nothing on foxnews.com or cnn.com about this.thats what you get for relying on the corporate media :D

Does anyone have this from a real news site? :roll:

Sorry nothing on foxnews.com or cnn.com about this.thats what you get for relying on the corporate media :D

Hun, if it were true, the media would be blasting it coast to coast. It would've gotten public on TV and no media outlet is reporting it. As such, its false reporting and speculation until it is blared over CNN and Fox News. It hasn't so Im doubting it till it occurs.

Does anyone have this from a real news site? :roll:

Sorry nothing on foxnews.com or cnn.com about this.

LOL, oh heavens. Thanks for the best laugh I've had all day. But seriously, he asked for a REAL news site. Last time I checked, Fox News was still either wrapped up in renaming America Reaganland or justifying why Clinton should be impeached again.

Does anyone have this from a real news site? :roll:

Sorry nothing on foxnews.com or cnn.com about this.thats what you get for relying on the corporate media :D

Get what? Stuff that people actually care about?

Does anyone have this from a real news site? :roll:

Sorry nothing on foxnews.com or cnn.com about this.

LOL, oh heavens. Thanks for the best laugh I've had all day. But seriously, he asked for a REAL news site. Last time I checked, Fox News was still either wrapped up in renaming America Reaganland or justifying why Clinton should be impeached again.

Did you notice cnn.com was there too. As for Fox News, I trust them more than CNN! If CNN isn't blaring it then i'm skeptical. If Fox News isn't airing it, then I'm doubting it. Until they start reporting it, I'm not believing it.

Does anyone have this from a real news site? :roll:

Sorry nothing on foxnews.com or cnn.com about this.
Here you go. (http://www.herald-sun.com/nationworld/14-490851.html)

It's from the Herald Sun, which looks like it's out of the Raleigh Durham NC area, but it's an AP story from yesterday written by Nedra Pickler so it appeared in any number of papers nationwide. Here's the quote:
In a letter endorsing Kerry, 48 scientists who have won the Nobel Prize said the Bush administration is undermining the nation's future by impeding medical advances, turning away scientific talent with its immigration practices, and ignoring scientific consensus on global warning and other critical issues.

"Unlike previous administrations, Republican and Democratic alike, the Bush administration has ignored unbiased scientific advice in the policy-making that is so important to our collective welfare," their letter stated.

Does anyone have this from a real news site? :roll:

Sorry nothing on foxnews.com or cnn.com about this.

LOL, oh heavens. Thanks for the best laugh I've had all day. But seriously, he asked for a REAL news site. Last time I checked, Fox News was still either wrapped up in renaming America Reaganland or justifying why Clinton should be impeached again.

Did you notice cnn.com was there too. As for Fox News, I trust them more than CNN! If CNN isn't blaring it then i'm skeptical. If Fox News isn't airing it, then I'm doubting it. Until they start reporting it, I'm not believing it.Jesus Christ, do none of you know to do a freaking google search?

Oh, and since Formal Dances apparently can't look at something other than propaganda.....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040621_124.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/22/MNGK579USP1.DTL

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0621Kerry21-ON.html

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=5477178&section=news

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157672/posts

Oh, and since Formal Dances apparently can't look at something other than propaganda.....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040621_124.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/22/MNGK579USP1.DTL

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0621Kerry21-ON.html

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=5477178§ion=news

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157672/postsshe proves beyond a reasonable doubt how foxnews dumbs down the populace

How much did Kerry pay them to endorse him?

Oh, and since Formal Dances apparently can't look at something other than propaganda.....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040621_124.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/22/MNGK579USP1.DTL

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0621Kerry21-ON.html

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=5477178§ion=news

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157672/postsshe proves beyond a reasonable doubt how foxnews dumbs down the populace

I sure hope you're referring to Formal when you used the term she.

Hee hee hee. Even the Free Republic had the article. The comments below are about what you'd expect from Freepers--a Mengele mention, a comparison to Satan. Yep--typical stuff.

Oh, and since Formal Dances apparently can't look at something other than propaganda.....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040621_124.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/22/MNGK579USP1.DTL

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0621Kerry21-ON.html

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=5477178§ion=news

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157672/posts

I take that as a personal insult! I hate insults! I can look things up hun but you know what? I really don't care to be honest. They can endorse all they want. It isn't going to make one bloody difference.

As for propaganda... just because I watch something that you all HATE, doesn't make it propaganda. I could say the same about the networks you watch but not going too. We all have our opinions and they are our opinions. That is a joy in living in a free society, having our opinions and speaking about our opinions. However, that doesn't give you the right to insult someone over their opinions. I trust my sources as I trust anything, I don't believe everything I hear but Fox News has been right most of the time. YOu can denounce this if you wish, i don't care. That is your right to denounce it. Just don't resort to character attacks or personal insults or I'll just insult you right back.

Oh, and since Formal Dances apparently can't look at something other than propaganda.....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040621_124.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/22/MNGK579USP1.DTL

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0621Kerry21-ON.html

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=5477178§ion=news

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157672/postsshe proves beyond a reasonable doubt how foxnews dumbs down the populace

I sure hope you're referring to Formal when you used the term she.I was

I care why? Is this another lame attempt to state that religion and science are fundamentally incompatible, or just stating that someone who puts their personal beliefs at the forefront of their life is contemptible and unworthy to lead a nation?

I don't much like W, by the way. But I see no reason to put anything ahead of God.

:? Aiera

There may not be anything wrong with putting some superstitious diety at the forefront of your life, but this is not what Bush is doing. Bush is merely putting religious supersition in front of science. But as we can see, economics is more important to Bush than religion. Why do I say that? Well, take Iraq for example...

Oh, and since Formal Dances apparently can't look at something other than propaganda.....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040621_124.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/22/MNGK579USP1.DTL

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0621Kerry21-ON.html

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=5477178§ion=news

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157672/postsshe proves beyond a reasonable doubt how foxnews dumbs down the populace


With people like you attacking Fox News, It proves how good they really are.

Oh, and since Formal Dances apparently can't look at something other than propaganda.....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040621_124.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/22/MNGK579USP1.DTL

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0621Kerry21-ON.html

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=5477178§ion=news

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157672/posts

I take that as a personal insult! I hate insults! I can look things up hun but you know what? I really don't care to be honest. They can endorse all they want. It isn't going to make one bloody difference.

As for propaganda... just because I watch something that you all HATE, doesn't make it propaganda. I could say the same about the networks you watch but not going too. We all have our opinions and they are our opinions. That is a joy in living in a free society, having our opinions and speaking about our opinions. However, that doesn't give you the right to insult someone over their opinions. I trust my sources as I trust anything, I don't believe everything I hear but Fox News has been right most of the time. YOu can denounce this if you wish, i don't care. That is your right to denounce it. Just don't resort to character attacks or personal insults or I'll just insult you right back.But we dont live in a free society--people with foxnews values have hijacked the media and censor the voices of enlightened people from speaking on the air--The american people demand their airwaves back from the corporate beast and rightwing liars

How much did Kerry pay them to endorse him?While I doubt this is a serious question, I'll answer it as if it were. The article makes no reference to any payment, and considering Pickler's recent articles focusing on Kerry's privileged upbringing and current wealth (while ignoring Bush's), I'm pretty sure she'd have mentioned it had it happened.

How much did Kerry pay them to endorse him?While I doubt this is a serious question, I'll answer it as if it were. The article makes no reference to any payment, and considering Pickler's recent articles focusing on Kerry's privileged upbringing and current wealth (while ignoring Bush's), I'm pretty sure she'd have mentioned it had it happened.


I always feel all people who endorse any president were bribed. I don't see why anybody would want to endorse either of these jackasses.

As for propaganda... just because I watch something that you all HATE, doesn't make it propaganda. I could say the same about the networks you watch but not going too.
Untrue. Anything anyone watches these days is propaganda.

We all have our opinions and they are our opinions. That is a joy in living in a free society, having our opinions and speaking about our opinions.
Half-true. Living gives you the right to opinions. Until some government agency invents mind-reading devices, we'll all have the right to our own opinions.

However, that doesn't give you the right to insult someone over their opinions.
True. What gives me the right to insult you is the Bill of Rights and the First Ammendment's Right to Freedom of Speech.

I trust my sources as I trust anything, I don't believe everything I hear but Fox News has been right most of the time.
True. They probably aren't out-right lying to you. In fact, so far you've only said only one untrue statement in your entire post. It's hard to avoid truths.

YOu can denounce this if you wish, i don't care. That is your right to denounce it.
True.

Just don't resort to character attacks or personal insults or I'll just insult you right back.
Why not? Oh, by the way, attempt insulting me. Please. I beg of you.

How much did Kerry pay them to endorse him?While I doubt this is a serious question, I'll answer it as if it were. The article makes no reference to any payment, and considering Pickler's recent articles focusing on Kerry's privileged upbringing and current wealth (while ignoring Bush's), I'm pretty sure she'd have mentioned it had it happened.


I always feel all people who endorse any president were bribed. I don't see why anybody would want to endorse either of these jackasses.LOL

Oh, and since Formal Dances apparently can't look at something other than propaganda.....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040621_124.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/22/MNGK579USP1.DTL

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0621Kerry21-ON.html

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=5477178§ion=news

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157672/posts

I take that as a personal insult! I hate insults! I can look things up hun but you know what? I really don't care to be honest. They can endorse all they want. It isn't going to make one bloody difference.

As for propaganda... just because I watch something that you all HATE, doesn't make it propaganda. I could say the same about the networks you watch but not going too. We all have our opinions and they are our opinions. That is a joy in living in a free society, having our opinions and speaking about our opinions. However, that doesn't give you the right to insult someone over their opinions. I trust my sources as I trust anything, I don't believe everything I hear but Fox News has been right most of the time. YOu can denounce this if you wish, i don't care. That is your right to denounce it. Just don't resort to character attacks or personal insults or I'll just insult you right back.But we dont live in a free society--people with foxnews values have hijacked the media and censor the voices of enlightened people from speaking on the air--The american people demand their airwaves back from the corporate beast and rightwing liars

We do live in a free society MKULTRA! Fox News hasn't highjacked anything. Your right about one thing. People do demand the airwaves back which is why Fox News is crushing all other News Networks. They trust Fox News in their balanced reporting than CNN or MSNBC

Oh, and since Formal Dances apparently can't look at something other than propaganda.....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040621_124.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/22/MNGK579USP1.DTL

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0621Kerry21-ON.html

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=5477178§ion=news

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157672/posts

I take that as a personal insult! I hate insults! I can look things up hun but you know what? I really don't care to be honest. They can endorse all they want. It isn't going to make one bloody difference.

As for propaganda... just because I watch something that you all HATE, doesn't make it propaganda. I could say the same about the networks you watch but not going too. We all have our opinions and they are our opinions. That is a joy in living in a free society, having our opinions and speaking about our opinions. However, that doesn't give you the right to insult someone over their opinions. I trust my sources as I trust anything, I don't believe everything I hear but Fox News has been right most of the time. YOu can denounce this if you wish, i don't care. That is your right to denounce it. Just don't resort to character attacks or personal insults or I'll just insult you right back.But we dont live in a free society--people with foxnews values have hijacked the media and censor the voices of enlightened people from speaking on the air--The american people demand their airwaves back from the corporate beast and rightwing liars

We do live in a free society MKULTRA! Fox News hasn't highjacked anything. Your right about one thing. People do demand the airwaves back which is why Fox News is crushing all other News Networks. They trust Fox News in their balanced reporting than CNN or MSNBC


MSNBC is losing because its boring as hell.

My advice: Watch as many news networks as possible. Read as many newspapers and webpages as possible. Talk to as many people as possible. Every source you encounter will be biased and propagandistic. But if you take in enough sources and use deductive reasoning, you'll get a very clear, accurate picture. Oh yes, common sense is good too...


Oh yes, please stop the pyramid quoting. It's annoying.

My advice: Watch as many news networks as possible. Read as many newspapers and webpages as possible. Talk to as many people as possible. Every source you encounter will be biased and propagandistic. But if you take in enough sources and use deductive reasoning, you'll get a very clear, accurate picture. Oh yes, common sense is good too...


Oh yes, please stop the pyramid quoting. It's annoying.


True. Every news outlet will lie to you.

Oh, and since Formal Dances apparently can't look at something other than propaganda.....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040621_124.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/22/MNGK579USP1.DTL

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0621Kerry21-ON.html

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=5477178§ion=news

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157672/posts

I take that as a personal insult! I hate insults! I can look things up hun but you know what? I really don't care to be honest. They can endorse all they want. It isn't going to make one bloody difference.

As for propaganda... just because I watch something that you all HATE, doesn't make it propaganda. I could say the same about the networks you watch but not going too. We all have our opinions and they are our opinions. That is a joy in living in a free society, having our opinions and speaking about our opinions. However, that doesn't give you the right to insult someone over their opinions. I trust my sources as I trust anything, I don't believe everything I hear but Fox News has been right most of the time. YOu can denounce this if you wish, i don't care. That is your right to denounce it. Just don't resort to character attacks or personal insults or I'll just insult you right back.

It wasn't an insult. You merely implied that since it wasn't on Fox News that it must not exist. As you value others opinions as much as you say you do, then you must certainly value mine when I say that I fully believe Fox News to be nothing more than propaganda on a scale with al-Jazeera and Pravda.

I placed the ABC News site first because they are recognized as a legitimate source of news. But since you like CNN and Fox so much, then here:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/21/kerry.science.ap/index.html


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123245,00.html

You've made your opinion quite clear, as have I. If you have taken it as an insult, I'm terribly sorry. However, since you value my opinion, then you'll understand what I said when I said that you only look at propaganda. That was my opinion.

As for propaganda... just because I watch something that you all HATE, doesn't make it propaganda. I could say the same about the networks you watch but not going too.
Untrue. Anything anyone watches these days is propaganda.

We all have our opinions and they are our opinions. That is a joy in living in a free society, having our opinions and speaking about our opinions.
Half-true. Living gives you the right to opinions. Until some government agency invents mind-reading devices, we'll all have the right to our own opinions.

However, that doesn't give you the right to insult someone over their opinions.
True. What gives me the right to insult you is the Bill of Rights and the First Ammendment's Right to Freedom of Speech.

I trust my sources as I trust anything, I don't believe everything I hear but Fox News has been right most of the time.
True. They probably aren't out-right lying to you. In fact, so far you've only said only one untrue statement in your entire post. It's hard to avoid truths.

YOu can denounce this if you wish, i don't care. That is your right to denounce it.
True.

Just don't resort to character attacks or personal insults or I'll just insult you right back.
Why not? Oh, by the way, attempt insulting me. Please. I beg of you.

Okay, I tore your message up sentence by sentence. If you are going to post anything else in this thread, you're going to have to defend this.

Sadly the American populous isn't made up entirely of Noble Prize Winners.

Sadly the American populous isn't made up entirely of Noble Prize Winners.

Tis quite unfortunate. I'd like for them to make all the political decisions in this country though...