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It seems like there if little moral truth in society today. Where do you stand?

Absolute truth is only a concept invented by humans. So, like everything else, including what we call "life" is all relative.

Absolute truth is only a concept invented by humans. So, like everything else, including what we call "life" is all relative.

Absolute truth is only a concept invented by humans. So, like everything else, including what we call "life" is all relative.

If that is the case Who invented it?

There is moral truth. It is, literally, written in stone.

That question is deep. :shock:

overwhelming # of people in favo of the socity decides. and non for the second option-because we decided we dont like morals...not thread of reploid in nasty/hot pics or whatever its called :D

Morality is a product of the closed mind. Take some laudanum, old boy.

Am I the only one that picked the 2nd option? Whats the matter with you people... truth is a personal thing..

Am I the only one that picked the 2nd option? Whats the matter with you people... truth is a personal thing..

What! Are you crazy! So if my truth is to rape your daughter thats ok???

And your statment seems like an absolute too! "...truth is a personal thing.." that sounds like an absolute to me!

Am I the only one that picked the 2nd option? Whats the matter with you people... truth is a personal thing..

What! Are you crazy! So if my truth is to rape your daughter thats ok???

And your statment seems like an absolute too! "...truth is a personal thing.." that sounds like an absolute to me!

Trying to poke holes in moral relativism, eh? Good for you. :) Keep on truckin.

Am I the only one that picked the 2nd option? Whats the matter with you people... truth is a personal thing..

What! Are you crazy! So if my truth is to rape your daughter thats ok???

And your statment seems like an absolute too! "...truth is a personal thing.." that sounds like an absolute to me!

Yes, your truth may be to rape my daughter, and for you thats okay, but you better be prepared for the very true aluminum baseball bat that will be embedded in your skull. You are allowed to think anything you want, but come near my daughter and you die, thats my truth.

Truth is relative and personal, I said nothing about absolute... I dont know where you got that... Morality is personal, there is no absolute right or wrong (I could imagine a society where it is perfectly acceptable to rape your neighbor's daughter, not that Id want to live there.)

Personal truth is influenced by society, but not defined by it. There will always be differences between individuals. If there was such thing as absolutes, they would be obvious and common to all people, there is nothing that satisfies this requirement, so there are no absolutes.

sorry trip post. stupid server..

What a stupid poll. How come there is no option for those who believe in absolute (or objective) truth but don't consider its source to be the Bible or society?

What a stupid poll. How come there is no option for those who believe in absolute (or objective) truth but don't consider its source to be the Bible or society?

I am open for Ideas, What other source of truth is there?

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Am I the only one that picked the 2nd option? Whats the matter with you people... truth is a personal thing..


What! Are you crazy! So if my truth is to rape your daughter thats ok???

And your statment seems like an absolute too! "...truth is a personal thing.." that sounds like an absolute to me!


Yes, your truth may be to rape my daughter, and for you thats okay, but you better be prepared for the very true aluminum baseball bat that will be embedded in your skull. You are allowed to think anything you want, but come near my daughter and you die, thats my truth.

Truth is relative and personal, I said nothing about absolute... I dont know where you got that... Morality is personal, there is no absolute right or wrong (I could imagine a society where it is perfectly acceptable to rape your neighbor's daughter, not that Id want to live there.)

Personal truth is influenced by society, but not defined by it. There will always be differences between individuals. If there was such thing as absolutes, they would be obvious and common to all people, there is nothing that satisfies this requirement, so there are no absolutes.



----ok I think we are talking about two different things here, example a moral truth is you shouldnt rob a bank. or you should cheat on your wife. are you saying that its ok to think about doing that or that you think its ok to do actually do it?

I am open for Ideas, What other source of truth is there?
Existence.

Basically everything that exists is true, and neither mysticism or societal pressure can draw blood from a stone.

I direct you to Ayn Rand for a detailed explaination of this.

Am I the only one that picked the 2nd option? Whats the matter with you people... truth is a personal thing..


What! Are you crazy! So if my truth is to rape your daughter thats ok???

And your statment seems like an absolute too! "...truth is a personal thing.." that sounds like an absolute to me!


Yes, your truth may be to rape my daughter, and for you thats okay, but you better be prepared for the very true aluminum baseball bat that will be embedded in your skull. You are allowed to think anything you want, but come near my daughter and you die, thats my truth.

Truth is relative and personal, I said nothing about absolute... I dont know where you got that... Morality is personal, there is no absolute right or wrong (I could imagine a society where it is perfectly acceptable to rape your neighbor's daughter, not that Id want to live there.)

Personal truth is influenced by society, but not defined by it. There will always be differences between individuals. If there was such thing as absolutes, they would be obvious and common to all people, there is nothing that satisfies this requirement, so there are no absolutes.



----ok I think we are talking about two different things here, example a moral truth is you shouldnt rob a bank. or you should cheat on your wife. are you saying that its ok to think about doing that or that you think its ok to do actually do it?

It is only wrong for me to cheat on my wife because I believe it is wrong to break a promise, this is a personal conviction, like all moral convictions, they are, by definition, relative and personal. Societies are groups of people who hold similar moral convictions, and band together for the sake of those convictions, however, no two people's moral convictions are exactly the same, therefor , ther is no absolute, objective morality.

Am I the only one that picked the 2nd option? Whats the matter with you people... truth is a personal thing..


What! Are you crazy! So if my truth is to rape your daughter thats ok???

And your statment seems like an absolute too! "...truth is a personal thing.." that sounds like an absolute to me!


Yes, your truth may be to rape my daughter, and for you thats okay, but you better be prepared for the very true aluminum baseball bat that will be embedded in your skull. You are allowed to think anything you want, but come near my daughter and you die, thats my truth.

Truth is relative and personal, I said nothing about absolute... I dont know where you got that... Morality is personal, there is no absolute right or wrong (I could imagine a society where it is perfectly acceptable to rape your neighbor's daughter, not that Id want to live there.)

Personal truth is influenced by society, but not defined by it. There will always be differences between individuals. If there was such thing as absolutes, they would be obvious and common to all people, there is nothing that satisfies this requirement, so there are no absolutes.



----ok I think we are talking about two different things here, example a moral truth is you shouldnt rob a bank. or you should cheat on your wife. are you saying that its ok to think about doing that or that you think its ok to do actually do it?

It is only wrong for me to cheat on my wife because I believe it is wrong to break a promise, this is a personal conviction, like all moral convictions, they are, by definition, relative and personal. Societies are groups of people who hold similar moral convictions, and band together for the sake of those convictions, however, no two people's moral convictions are exactly the same, therefor , ther is no absolute, objective morality.

Truth! "What is truth?", as Pilate said to Jesus.
There may be two things to consider here. Firstly, are there any absolute truths, and secondly, are there any absolute moral truths. My answer is a hearty "Yes!" to both, but lets take each in turn.
Is there a definite nature to the universe, or is the nature of the universe determined by the perceptions of humans which inhabit it? I would say the first is self-evident, that all that exists just IS a certain way, independent of what any of us think about it, but relativism points to the premise that reality is shaped by those who perceive it, that some people live in a universe actually ruled by God, and some in one where there is no God and never has been and never will be. Is there anyone who believes this?
On morality, I believe the answer is affected, though not necessarily determined by, the answer to the first. If you believe there are no absolutes, then morality must be either chosen by the individual or decided on by their society. If you believe that absolute truth of SOME description exists, you could still believe in a relative morality, or you could believe that the One who determines absolute truth in other areas of existence does so in this area as well. That's my position, that God knows the truth about EVERYTHING, including the best way for me (and you, and everybody) to live life.

Is absolute truth similar to absolute zero??? :?

There is no objective truth, moral or otherwise. Truth is always subjective and temporal. Anyone that claims otherwise is either lying, confused or just plain wrong.

You people are mixing up two already confusing topics. The epistemological question "Is there absolute truth?" is different from the ethical question "Are morals absolute?" While these issues are interrelated, they are not the same thing. As for the suggestion that the Bilble presents the only real truth, this is logically impossible. The Bible contradicts itself on many occassions. As such, if the Bible is truth, then truth must be divergent and paradoxical (and therefore not absolute). It is my belief that truth can only be absolute when tautological in nature. I would ask that anyone who disagrees post a reply including statements that are true universally and absolutely.

For my brevity, pretension, and any incoherance, I appologize. I've had a few drinks tonight.

Absolute truth is an absolute figment of our imaginations.

There is no objective truth, moral or otherwise. Truth is always subjective and temporal. Anyone that claims otherwise is either lying, confused or just plain wrong.
Is what you say true?

Ok,to use a previous example in this thread, here's my statement of absolute truth.

Rape is wrong. It's a crime. It's a sin (for those who are religious). It is a filthy act in the extreme. At no time is it something that is justified. Anyone who thinks rape can be justified is wrong. Any society that condones rape for any reason is warped. End of story.