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The nation of Galdania (me) has not yet been deleted, but the password has been changed and I am unable to acces it.

But before the moderators of this site delete me for trying to explain why bombing American military targets would be justifyable, I believe that all of the Nazi nations, or SS nations, and their like, should be deleted.

For their very names show what actions they would commit. Is it not as bad to say you would want to bomb Iraq as to bomb America? I stand by what I have said: demolishing American military sites, assassinating American politicians and military figures, and killing their soldiers are all justifyable acts. Crushing economic centres would also be justified.

If, however, a person on this site says that they would want to blow up one of Sadaam Hussien's palaces, they are greeted with a hearty applause, and not silenced by the moderators.

Because I have situated myself against America does not mean that I am different from Westerners who wish for 'revenge' against Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East.

Are those who supplied the names of targets they would bomb not just as quilty as I? Did the user who wanted to destroy the entire Middle East not want what he saw as justice?

Just because my views are not popular on this site does not mean they are not valid.

I petition those who wish for the reinstatement of Galdania to post here.

NOTE: If Galdania is returned to me, while I dearly hope it is, I will discontinue my posts in sensitive areas, and will keep my opinions to myself, even though I should be able to share them with my fellow people.

As family of military members I take offense to your posts and most of them I feel a hatred towards you.

I always thought of it to be vice-versa...

my password was changed once. Just do the password check

My family has suffered in War as well. Your soldiers showed no remorse when they slaughtered thousands of innocent Vietnamese. Perhaps they should have targeted their attacks more carefully?

I always thought of it to be vice-versa...

my password was changed once. Just do the password check

How might I do this?

Galdania should stay, but why delete the Nazi-ish sounding nations?

Not all of them are actually Nazis, some are just people RPing as them on the RP boards.

You're really no different than the Nazi and SS nations, both groups want to kill innocents out of pure bigoted hatred.

I always thought of it to be vice-versa...

my password was changed once. Just do the password check

How might I do this?
well...I'm sure there's some link in the log-in page that allows you to have your password emailed to the adress you had in your settings

But way target soldiers then if that happened over 30 years ago, may I ask what country are you from?

Galdania should stay, but why delete the Nazi-ish sounding nations?

Not all of them are actually Nazis, some are just people RPing as them on the RP boards.

I'm talking about those on the Gneral boards. As a real socialist, I believe that the real fascists should be deleted before they delete a freedom fighter.

Or, if they do delete us all, then let them destroy all those who have a political opinion.

But way target soldiers then if that happened over 30 years ago, may I ask what country are you from?

I advocate targeting soldiers now for what is happening now.

I have positioned myself in a state as to be rejected by the main stream. But I should not suffer because of my views. In the nation of America, there is supposedly Freedom of Speech. To supress this freedom will only show that I am right.

Ooh, lets act like a little three-year old! YOu hurt me so I'll hurt you! That'll really solve everything! Military personnel have no families!!! :shock:

As I posted in the tech forum, the server has been hiccuping a bit and this could well be a result of it. We are looking into it. Please be patient.

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My family has suffered in War as well. Your soldiers showed no remorse when they slaughtered thousands of innocent Vietnamese. Perhaps they should have targeted their attacks more carefully?

Here here! I say we abolish government and with it, war.

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My family has suffered in War as well. Your soldiers showed no remorse when they slaughtered thousands of innocent Vietnamese. Perhaps they should have targeted their attacks more carefully?

Here here! I say we abolish government and with it, war.

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LOL theres been war even before government

But why target them, you have abslotely no respect for life non at all. Why do you want U.S. troops dead?

Ooh, lets act like a little three-year old! YOu hurt me so I'll hurt you! That'll really solve everything! Military personnel have no families!!! :shock:

When you take up arms for the enemy, you become the enemy. When you take up arms as a freedom fighter, you become a freedom fighter.

As of yet, I am fighting only with my words. Until I strike your nation, I have commited no crime.

the server has been hiccuping a bit
is THAT what you call it? :lol:

But why target them, you have abslotely no respect for life non at all. Why do you want U.S. troops dead?

If they were doctors, teachers, plumbers...they could toil at their work unassailed. But when they take up arms, they are no longer peaceful men...they are no longer men, they are guns. THey are tanks. They are the flag which I fight against.

Oh he's a troll, that should be grounds for deletion already.

Ooh, lets act like a little three-year old! YOu hurt me so I'll hurt you! That'll really solve everything! Military personnel have no families!!! :shock:

When you take up arms for the enemy, you become the enemy. When you take up arms as a freedom fighter, you become a freedom fighter.

As of yet, I am fighting only with my words. Until I strike your nation, I have commited no crime.

How does one define the difference between a freedom fighter and an enemy? Violence + violence = violence and nothing else. If you think taking a human life for your own selfish reasons will stop American involvment in world politics then you're retarded. Really.

why delete the Nazis? if you can't argue against them successfully then that's your fault, and you need to deal with your own inability to debate well. if you can debate against them effectively then you have no need to fear their ideas, since you can show how they are incorrect or discredit them for all to see.

Well I always fight for Old Glory, but most of the soldiers military life is their whole life and they will not go down without out a fight.

I do not favour Nazi deletion. I am saying that there is no grounds for their deletion, and there is no grounds for the deletion of Galdania.

I do not favour Nazi deletion. I am saying that there is no grounds for their deletion, and there is no grounds for the deletion of Galdania.

The nation of Galdania (me) has not yet been deleted, but the password has been changed and I am unable to acces it.

But before the moderators of this site delete me for trying to explain why bombing American military targets would be justifyable, I believe that all of the Nazi nations, or SS nations, and their like, should be deleted.

For their very names show what actions they would commit. Is it not as bad to say you would want to bomb Iraq as to bomb America? I stand by what I have said: demolishing American military sites, assassinating American politicians and military figures, and killing their soldiers are all justifyable acts. Crushing economic centres would also be justified.

If, however, a person on this site says that they would want to blow up one of Sadaam Hussien's palaces, they are greeted with a hearty applause, and not silenced by the moderators.

Because I have situated myself against America does not mean that I am different from Westerners who wish for 'revenge' against Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East.

Are those who supplied the names of targets they would bomb not just as quilty as I? Did the user who wanted to destroy the entire Middle East not want what he saw as justice?

Just because my views are not popular on this site does not mean they are not valid.

I petition those who wish for the reinstatement of Galdania to post here.

NOTE: If Galdania is returned to me, while I dearly hope it is, I will discontinue my posts in sensitive areas, and will keep my opinions to myself, even though I should be able to share them with my fellow people.

You are a hypocrite. You say nazis are bad because they want to hurt innocent people but you are advocating the slaughter of American soilders. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a immature, bloodthirsty flamebaiter. These soilders have family's to. What if we put you in Iraq and we shold see how your opinons will be. You flambaited so don't whine that you got deleted. The rules apply to everyone. Also alot of the soilders don't want to be there they were forced to go. Or better yet maybe we should draft your family and then you might just change your mind. Also it is people like you that say oh someone in my group got killed maybe if a slaughter innocent people of that other groups side it will make it all better. It is people like you that caused 9/11. Just think about this a eye for a eye leaves the whole world blind.

The nation of Galdania (me) has not yet been deleted, but the password has been changed and I am unable to acces it.

But before the moderators of this site delete me for trying to explain why bombing American military targets would be justifyable, I believe that all of the Nazi nations, or SS nations, and their like, should be deleted.

For their very names show what actions they would commit. Is it not as bad to say you would want to bomb Iraq as to bomb America? I stand by what I have said: demolishing American military sites, assassinating American politicians and military figures, and killing their soldiers are all justifyable acts. Crushing economic centres would also be justified.

If, however, a person on this site says that they would want to blow up one of Sadaam Hussien's palaces, they are greeted with a hearty applause, and not silenced by the moderators.

Because I have situated myself against America does not mean that I am different from Westerners who wish for 'revenge' against Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East.

Are those who supplied the names of targets they would bomb not just as quilty as I? Did the user who wanted to destroy the entire Middle East not want what he saw as justice?

Just because my views are not popular on this site does not mean they are not valid.

I petition those who wish for the reinstatement of Galdania to post here.

NOTE: If Galdania is returned to me, while I dearly hope it is, I will discontinue my posts in sensitive areas, and will keep my opinions to myself, even though I should be able to share them with my fellow people.

You are a hypocrite. You say nazis are bad because they want to hurt innocent people but you are advocating the slaughter of American soilders. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a immature, bloodthirsty flamebaiter. These soilders have family's to. What if we put you in Iraq and we shold see how your opinons will be. You flambaited so don't whine that you got deleted. The rules apply to everyone. Also alot of the soilders don't want to be there they were forced to go. Or better yet maybe we should draft your family and then you might just change your mind. Also it is people like you that say oh someone in my group got killed maybe if a slaughter innocent people of that other groups side it will make it all better. It is people like you that caused 9/11. Just think about this a eye for a eye leaves the whole world blind.

Forced to fight? No Americans have been conscripted in Iraq. They are there of their own free will.

In Vietnam, they should have jumped to Canada. Or, better yet, struck their own government.

I am saying that the Nazis, nor I, should be deleted. We have a right to say what we say, as you Americans do.

I am no longer arguing over this, but over Galdania's fate.

By the way, Galdania has not yet been deleted. It could be all a password error.

Forced to fight? No Americans have been conscripted in Iraq. They are there of their own free will.

In Vietnam, they should have jumped to Canada. Or, better yet, struck their own government.

I am saying that the Nazis, nor I, should be deleted. We have a right to say what we say, as you Americans do.

I am no longer arguing over this, but over Galdania's fate.

By the way, Galdania has not yet been deleted. It could be all a password error.

A soldier is no innocent.

There are other reasons to join the army you dimwit. The army provides free college education... maybe people just wnat to defend their freedoms like you do (via slaughtering human beings, great going buddy! :D )

You say you're communist, but you don't treat people as equal human beings. It makes me want to vomit.

A soldier is a human being, and maybe you should try becoming one too.

LOL theres been war even before government

Then you concede that anarchism is possible, New Genoa. I've walked you right into a trap.

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LOL theres been war even before government

Then you concede that anarchism is possible, New Genoa. I've walked you right into a trap.

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But it was disorder. Anarchism is possible, undoubtedly, but not in the form of your fairy-tale dream.

And you also concede to the fact that it is not the governments fault for war, it is our OWN.

There are other reasons to join the army you dimwit. The army provides free college education... maybe people just wnat to defend their freedoms like you do (via slaughtering human beings, great going buddy! :D )

You say you're communist, but you don't treat people as equal human beings. It makes me want to vomit.

A soldier is a human being, and maybe you should try becoming one too.

When you fight against equality, you should not be treated as an equal.

When you don a soldier's uniform, you give up the right to civilian safety. You are a gorilla, not a guerilla.

There are other reasons to join the army you dimwit. The army provides free college education... maybe people just wnat to defend their freedoms like you do (via slaughtering human beings, great going buddy! :D )

You say you're communist, but you don't treat people as equal human beings. It makes me want to vomit.

A soldier is a human being, and maybe you should try becoming one too.

When you fight against equality, you should not be treated as an equal.

When you don a soldier's uniform, you give up the right to civilian sadety. You are a gorilla, not a guerilla.

There are other reasons to join the army you dimwit. The army provides free college education... maybe people just wnat to defend their freedoms like you do (via slaughtering human beings, great going buddy! :D )

You say you're communist, but you don't treat people as equal human beings. It makes me want to vomit.

A soldier is a human being, and maybe you should try becoming one too.

When you fight against equality, you should not be treated as an equal.

When you don a soldier's uniform, you give up the right to civilian sadety. You are a gorilla, not a guerilla.

Do you ignore the fact that we are all human beings? Fight against equality but not provide it to the opposition, why -- how does this accomplish anything? What kind of liberal are you? Are you that close-minded? Do you hate human beings? Can you tell me what justifies the killing of a HUMAN BEING?

It is sad were young men are being ripped out of this world and people being denied of their fathers, husbands, wifes, children, etc. because they want to defend freedom so people like you can sit at the confort at their homes saying how they want to kill them.

[quote]But it was disorder. Anarchism is possible, undoubtedly, but not in the form of your fairy-tale dream.quote]

Let me guess: Hobbes and Locke. If you want my advice, forget any non-sense about social contracts. You never consented to be governed.

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No I didn't, your point? You never consented to being born, but you were.

You are a hypocrite. You say nazis are bad because they want to hurt innocent people but you are advocating the slaughter of American soilders. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a immature, bloodthirsty flamebaiter. These soilders have family's to. What if we put you in Iraq and we shold see how your opinons will be. You flambaited so don't whine that you got deleted. The rules apply to everyone. Also alot of the soilders don't want to be there they were forced to go. Or better yet maybe we should draft your family and then you might just change your mind. Also it is people like you that say oh someone in my group got killed maybe if a slaughter innocent people of that other groups side it will make it all better. It is people like you that caused 9/11. Just think about this a eye for a eye leaves the whole world blind.

You make the assumption that American soldiers are innocent people. And I am by no means saying that they are not, at least not most of them. But they are also paid killers in the employ of a government that attacked another nation for political purposes, backed by lies. And while they have families, so did Saddam's soldiers, as well as Iraqis who did not support the regime at all, and many have been killed and otherwise mistreated by our "innocent" troops.

Rather than remaining in the predictable niche of your "us vs. them" patriotism, perhaps you can suspend your reactionary and subjective nationalistic fervor for a moment and read what Genya is saying with a mind for the fact that there are innocents and killers on both sides, and that things he has said are no worse than the words of those that urge the killing of all Arabs/Muslims, and in fact are less loathesome since he is only talking about legitimate military targets. If all that makes it, in your mind, more loathesome is the fact that he is talking about American military targets then all that you are "arguing" from is a position of jingoistic nationalism.

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For those of you with friends and family in the U.S. military, I can certainly understand your feelings about Genya's views, and I can see that they stem from more than nationalism. But perhaps you should reserve your hatred for the oil inductry executives who are running your country and who used lies in order to put your loved ones into harms way for their own political, as well as Halliburton's financial, advantages. FOR CHRIST'S SAKE IT WAS REAGAN/BUSH AND RUMSFELD WHO SOLD SADDAM HIS BIOCHEMICAL WMD SYSTEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

Those who say that Iraqi insurgents are justified in attacking Americans have a right to believe that (I, for the record, do not), and they also have a right to say it, and you have a right to hate them, and to say that as well. But if you can put aside your personal attachment to the troops and to the U.S.A. for a moment perhaps you will see that the same arguments and the same feelings are at least as valid, if not moreso, for the Iraqis.



- A.J.H.



P.S.: Yeah, money for college is a reason some soldiers join up. So that makes those particular soldiers mercenaries, doesn't it? They're not even killing "for freedom", now are they?

FOR CHRIST'S SAKE IT WAS REAGAN/BUSH AND RUMSFELD WHO SOLD SADDAM HIS BIOCHEMICAL WMD SYSTEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

There was a really big thread on this and this theory didn't really pan out.

FOR CHRIST'S SAKE IT WAS REAGAN/BUSH AND RUMSFELD WHO SOLD SADDAM HIS BIOCHEMICAL WMD SYSTEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

There was a really big thread on this and this theory didn't really pan out.

It's not a theory. It's history, and the opinions of a billion forumites cannot ever change that.

FOR CHRIST'S SAKE IT WAS REAGAN/BUSH AND RUMSFELD WHO SOLD SADDAM HIS BIOCHEMICAL WMD SYSTEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

There was a really big thread on this and this theory didn't really pan out.

It's not a theory. It's history, and the opinions of a billion forumites cannot ever change that.
Actually, if you asked the opinions of forumites you'd probably find something along the lines of Bush = Saddam = WMD. But thats besides the point. There was a long thread on it that went into all of that.

Basically, the American companies gave him a bunch of stuff in 1983 (I think), then he gassed his own people, and then we blocked further shipments from American companies to Iraq of the chemicals that could be used as agents.

Yep. But when he was just using the stuff we "gave" (sold) him to gas Iranians, who we were also "giving" weapons too, it wasn't a problem with us, now was it?

Well, someone posted this graph in an earlier thread, and I posted it on another board, so I don't know who originally posted this, however, to whoever that is gets credit, it basically explains the whole "Aid" situation :

http://www.thedissidentfrogman.com/common/kicks/saddamgraph.gif

OK... so how about a chart that does not include post-Desert Storm numbers?

There are other reasons to join the army you dimwit. The army provides free college education...That's hardly an argument if talking about whether the army's actions are justifed maybe people just wnat to defend their freedoms like you do (via slaughtering human beings, great going buddy! :D )Are you being deliberately ironic here?

You say you're communist, but you don't treat people as equal human beings. It makes me want to vomit.How is it more hypocritical then valuing the lives of American servicemen over Iraqi civilians?

A soldier is a human being, and maybe you should try becoming one too.As is everyone- from the most evil, to the most good. Bit of a pointless statement.

If you were a pacifist you could take the moral highground here. I suspect strongly you're not. Note that I don't support the Iraqi insurgents.(Islamic fundamentalism appeals to me no more then the Christian fundamentalism of Bush and Blair). But I think it's incredibly arrogant of you to assume that they see themselves as fighting for freedom any less then the servicemen. If America was occupied by foreign troops would you fight back? It's all a matter of perspective.

Im against the slaughter of human beings -- that means both sides. No one is right or wrong, especially since right and wrong are defined differently by both sides. :?

There's too much censorship of controversial political views in this forum.

Im against the slaughter of human beings -- that means both sides. No one is right or wrong, especially since right and wrong are defined differently by both sides. :?Fair enough. While I'm not a pacifist (I think it's unrealistic) it's a highly noble doctrine and entirely morally consistent. I will say that I think that soldiers (of any army) are actually less deserving of sympathy then civilians. They knew the score when they joined. I'm not saying it's not sad for those who know them if they're shot. A mate of mines an ex-squaddie who was posted in Northern Ireland. His view is that they were legitimate targets- they were in a country fighting against a native army. I agree with his viewpoint.

He is advocating killing soilders. A true communist dose not want anyone to die he wants peace. Killing to avenge killing is wrong and you should open your eyes and see how hypocritical it is.

OK... so how about a chart that does not include post-Desert Storm numbers?
Follow the datasource and go to the PDF, if you don't believe me, but there were no post-desert storm shipments included.

I am a pascifist. I believe that the only excuse for violence is Self Defense. Aggresive attacks and wholesale attacks on other human beings is dispicable.

I find it interesting that there are so many 'liberal', 'free-thinking', and 'socially-conscious' people on this site who wish to delete users who have fascistic beliefs. Not all fascists are Nazis. Also, Nazi = National Socialists (I'll bet many of you who are angry at them don't even know what that means), and there are currently NS movements in China as well as, say, Poland, so NS does not necessarily have anything to do with racial discrimination. Nationalism can indeed coincide with race nationalism, but what's the problem with that? Malcolm X was a black nationalist and a black seperatist, and he is studied in elementary schools across the nation. White nationalism, like it or not, deserves the same kind of consideration. Nationalistic beliefs can lead to a certain type of conservatism with regards to border osmosis, but progressive European nations are also guilty of this heinous crime. Should nations with strict border policies be deleted, too? How about this: how about we delete everything that's not leftist?

I'm so sick of jibbering left-wing spigots who claim to support civil liberties and then take any opportunity imagineable to suppress opposing beliefs.

BTW, it should be noted that my nation has been characterized as Libertarian, and by most accounts, Libertarianism falls on the left-wing quadrant, so I don't want to hear any slandering. Even if I were a Nazi or some other type of National Socialist, I'd deserve every consideration than any militant socialist state here is afforded.

He is advocating killing soilders. A true communist dose not want anyone to die he wants peace. Killing to avenge killing is wrong and you should open your eyes and see how hypocritical it is.Does that include the invasion of Iraq to avenge 11/9?

When you take up arms for the enemy, you become the enemy. When you take up arms as a freedom fighter, you become a freedom fighter.

No. When you take up arms, you become a killer. Period. Don't put any sort of fancy words or rationalizations on it. To claim to want to inflict suffering on others for perceived wrongs or sufferings on you is to be no better then those who you blame for making you suffer in the first place and it immediately negates any sort of shaky moral superiority you might have enjoyed. By behaving like a criminal you only further criminality. This is true for both governments and individuals. If you advocate death of any sort then you are just as guilty as those you claim to take issue with.


As of yet, I am fighting only with my words. Until I strike your nation, I have commited no crime.

Then continue to use words. Words are how people build consensus and understanding and avoid war, bloodshed and senseless vengence that only perpetuates a cycle of violence. The second, the very second, you act to bring harm to someone you renounce any respect or credibility you may have possessed.

Don't try and claim you are making a stand for freedom or retribution or justice or any other moral goal. You advocate death and in a modern world of laws, that is never, ever acceptable.

When you take up arms for the enemy, you become the enemy. When you take up arms as a freedom fighter, you become a freedom fighter.

No. When you take up arms, you become a killer. Period. Don't put any sort of fancy words or rationalizations on it. To claim to want to inflict suffering on others for perceived wrongs or sufferings on you is to be no better then those who you blame for making you suffer in the first place and it immediately negates any sort of shaky moral superiority you might have enjoyed. By behaving like a criminal you only further criminality. This is true for both governments and individuals. If you advocate death of any sort then you are just as guilty as those you claim to take issue with.


As of yet, I am fighting only with my words. Until I strike your nation, I have commited no crime.

Then continue to use words. Words are how people build consensus and understanding and avoid war, bloodshed and senseless vengence that only perpetuates a cycle of violence. The second, the very second, you act to bring harm to someone you renounce any respect or credibility you may have possessed.

Don't try and claim you are making a stand for freedom or retribution or justice or any other moral goal. You advocate death and in a modern world of laws, that is never, ever acceptable.

As galdania's regional delegate, I know he is a real-life socialist and humanitarian. Why on earth would you delete and/or ban him, when he is a much better RP'er and all round nicer person than many of the capitalist/republican/fascist power players who contribute nothing at all but nuke-throwing and name-calling?

No matter what country you're in, I take it most of us have freedom of speech on some level, and no matter how much the individual may be provoked by what Galdania's player has to say, they have to butt out if they can't take the heat - He is nowhere as bad as many players here. Petitioning/whining for a good player to be deleted or banned(I take it there was a request - if a moderator has done this on their own initiative, then they are way too unprofessional for the job), does the entire forum community a disservice, and will only scare off the rest of the good, intellectual roleplayers who wish to discuss sensitive matters.

/Tias,
Scandinavia, neo-Anarchos and African Commonwealth's player.

As galdania's regional delegate, I know he is a real-life socialist and humanitarian. Why on earth would you delete and/or ban him, when he is a much better RP'er and all round nicer person than many of the capitalist/republican/fascist power players who contribute nothing at all but nuke-throwing and name-calling?

No matter what country you're in, I take it most of us have freedom of speech on some level, and no matter how much the individual may be provoked by what Galdania's player has to say, they have to butt out if they can't take the heat - He is nowhere as bad as many players here. Petitioning/whining for a good player to be deleted or banned(I take it there was a request - if a moderator has done this on their own initiative, then they are way too unprofessional for the job), does the entire forum community a disservice, and will only scare off the rest of the good, intellectual roleplayers who wish to discuss sensitive matters.

/Tias,
Scandinavia, neo-Anarchos and African Commonwealth's player.

Well if advocating killing people protecting your rights is good then I am a saint arn't I. That person sounds like Jane Fonda when she said I want to go to Vietnam to see dead american soilders. I want to see you guys and your familys in Iraq and we will see how quickly your opinons change. Those soilders have familys and thaty is heartless to wish death on them. Maybe you should see the pictures of the wifes/husbands faces once they find their spouses coming back in coffines or the children watching their mommys/daddys funneral. It is sad and I don't know how anyone can be a good person and want a group of people dead. That is not right and you need to see that. Shame on both of you.

Well if advocating killing people protecting your rights is good then I am a saint arn't I. That person sounds like Jane Fonda when she said I want to go to Vietnam to see dead american soilders. I want to see you guys and your familys in Iraq and we will see how quickly your opinons change. Those soilders have familys and thaty is heartless to wish death on them. Maybe you should see the pictures of the wifes/husbands faces once they find their spouses coming back in coffines or the children watching their mommys/daddys funneral. It is sad and I don't know how anyone can be a good person and want a group of people dead. That is not right and you need to see that. Shame on both of you.Where I understand the stance taken by Ardora it intrigues me that you mention the Iraqis not once. Neither do you condemn the war in the first place. Do deaths only count to you if they're American?

I don't intend on getting involved in the debate at hand, it is in my opinion totally off topic and are coming across as saying "Well your opinions are unpopular, YOU MUST DIE". I for one find the opinion of the vast majority of people in America is so juvenile and spoon fed that I find it as disgusting as some of you find whatever Galdania was saying, yet I respect their right to have their ridiculous opinions because I live, and I'm betting everybody else here lives in a country that at least likes to think of itself as promoting the value of freedom of speech, regardless of how you feel about it. If something offends you, to bad. I find the idea that only American or American lives are worth more then anyone else one of the most vile and disgusting thoughts imaginable. You might as well be a Nazi killing the jews if THAT is how you feel.

Regardless I said I wanted to say out of the debate so I'll stop here. I believe it was Jefferson that said something along the lines of "I don't agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death to protect your right to say it" and dammit if Nationstates protects the rights of Nazis to say what they want then you MUST protect Galdania to say what he wants to say.

I don't intend on getting involved in the debate at hand, it is in my opinion totally off topic and is coming across as saying "Well your opinions are unpopular, YOU MUST DIE". I for one find the opinion of the vast majority of people in America so juvenile and spoon fed that it is just as disgusting as some of what Galdania is to you people, yet I respect their right to have their ridiculous opinions because I live, and I'm betting everybody else here lives in a country that at least likes to think of itself as promoting the value of freedom of speech, regardless of how you feel about it. If something offends you, to bad. I find the idea that only American or American lives are worth more then anyone else one of the most vile and disgusting thoughts imaginable. You might as well be a Nazi killing the Jews if THAT is how you feel.

Regardless, I said I wanted to say out of the debate so I'll stop here. I believe it was Jefferson that said something along the lines of "I don't agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death to protect your right to say it" and dammit if Nationstates protects the rights of Nazis to say what they want then you MUST protect Galdania to say what he wants to say, the content of the message is NOT important.

The nation of Galdania (me) has not yet been deleted, but the password has been changed and I am unable to acces it.

But before the moderators of this site delete me for trying to explain why bombing American military targets would be justifyable, I believe that all of the Nazi nations, or SS nations, and their like, should be deleted.

For their very names show what actions they would commit. Is it not as bad to say you would want to bomb Iraq as to bomb America? I stand by what I have said: demolishing American military sites, assassinating American politicians and military figures, and killing their soldiers are all justifyable acts. Crushing economic centres would also be justified.

If, however, a person on this site says that they would want to blow up one of Sadaam Hussien's palaces, they are greeted with a hearty applause, and not silenced by the moderators.

Because I have situated myself against America does not mean that I am different from Westerners who wish for 'revenge' against Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East.

Are those who supplied the names of targets they would bomb not just as quilty as I? Did the user who wanted to destroy the entire Middle East not want what he saw as justice?

Just because my views are not popular on this site does not mean they are not valid.

I petition those who wish for the reinstatement of Galdania to post here.

NOTE: If Galdania is returned to me, while I dearly hope it is, I will discontinue my posts in sensitive areas, and will keep my opinions to myself, even though I should be able to share them with my fellow people.You ought to be arrested.

I remember a topic where you detailed a plan you had to blow up one of the Canadian candidates. The mods DEATed the topic, which is a shame, because it could have been used as evidence in court. Remember, people? Pressure bomb? Ball berings for shrapnel?

Ooooh, that's a good idea, ball bearings would tear people to shreds.

Well if advocating killing people protecting your rights is good then I am a saint arn't I. That person sounds like Jane Fonda when she said I want to go to Vietnam to see dead american soilders. I want to see you guys and your familys in Iraq and we will see how quickly your opinons change. Those soilders have familys and thaty is heartless to wish death on them. Maybe you should see the pictures of the wifes/husbands faces once they find their spouses coming back in coffines or the children watching their mommys/daddys funneral. It is sad and I don't know how anyone can be a good person and want a group of people dead. That is not right and you need to see that. Shame on both of you.Where I understand the stance taken by Ardora it intrigues me that you mention the Iraqis not once. Neither do you condemn the war in the first place. Do deaths only count to you if they're American?

Listen I may be a conservative but not all of us think alike. And I do condem this war 100% and it is sad Iraqies are dying and if there was a way to stop it I would but this is not what we are discussing. We are disscusing someone that wants to see soilders die for no reason.

I find it interesting that there are so many 'liberal', 'free-thinking', and 'socially-conscious' people on this site who wish to delete users who have fascistic beliefs. Not all fascists are Nazis. Also, Nazi = National Socialists (I'll bet many of you who are angry at them don't even know what that means), and there are currently NS movements in China as well as, say, Poland, so NS does not necessarily have anything to do with racial discrimination. Nationalism can indeed coincide with race nationalism, but what's the problem with that? Malcolm X was a black nationalist and a black seperatist, and he is studied in elementary schools across the nation. White nationalism, like it or not, deserves the same kind of consideration. Nationalistic beliefs can lead to a certain type of conservatism with regards to border osmosis, but progressive European nations are also guilty of this heinous crime. Should nations with strict border policies be deleted, too? How about this: how about we delete everything that's not leftist?

I'm so sick of jibbering left-wing spigots who claim to support civil liberties and then take any opportunity imagineable to suppress opposing beliefs.

If you will read all that the original poster had to say you will learn that he is not suggesting that nationalists &/or racists be deleted, only that if his views lead to his deletion, theirs should lead to theirs as well, and should have much sooner. But later he says that he is not in favor of deleting anyone for unpopular political/social views.

BTW, it should be noted that my nation has been characterized as Libertarian, and by most accounts, Libertarianism falls on the left-wing quadrant, so I don't want to hear any slandering. Even if I were a Nazi or some other type of National Socialist, I'd deserve every consideration than any militant socialist state here is afforded.

Libertarians are a sick hybrid of what American politics call liberal and conservative. I am definitely in favor of the fundemental human right of sane adults to consent to whatever use of their bodies, sexual chemical or otherwise, that they wish to. This is the liberal side of Libertarianism. OTOH they are in favor of removing all public health and education funding as well as labor laws, environmental protections and industrial regulations.

Personally, a nation where companies sell us both our educations and our drugs while doing whatever they wish to and paying us as little as they can get away with is not one that I wish to be a part of. I thank God that more people have not been sucked in by their seductive Janus act.


- A.J.H.

Interesting... Silas, just what IS a "Libertarian Police State" with an enormous government?

I've had the unfortunate pleasure of running across your threads Galdania. You are completely different from any of the Nazi or SS people. To my knowledge, they have never advocated illegal acts against a nation. You, however, have done just that. You talked lightly about how you are learning to make bombs and how you would target people. You have spoken so lightheartedly of killing while never having witnessed it first hand. You spoke so dramatically about change while espousing no real ideas on how to do such.

But what struck me the most was how gleefully you talked of killing people I served with. You've never explained what any American soldier ever did to you. You talked of being happy about young men and women who gave their lives for their beliefs and their country. While I still believe it likely that you are more than likely a 13 year old who thinks its funny to say such things without really understanding the consequences of such speech, it doesn't make it appropriate.

In all my life, very few people have ever offended me. I have pretty thick skin about stuff. But the things you said are offensive. Death is not a laughing matter. Watching it on television or killing computer animated blips is not the same as the sensory overload one feels when it happens in front of them. It is something that no matter who the person is, lives on in memory for an eternity.

I belive the purpose of this thread was to discuss someone being silenced for their views, not an all out political debate of the full gauntlet of issues. Lets try and keep it on track, shall we?

As to my response for the issue of Galdania... in America the price of free speech is anyone can use it for whatever their intention. The KKK, Nazis and every other wacko group is allowed to protest, speak out, and run for president. However threats of violence, and plans of murder are still illegal. And as far as the Nazis here, as was previously stated most aren't real Nazis, just RPers.

Use common sense in what you post, if not you run the risk of being "silenced".

the reason galdania is mad at the nazis, is a thread i made a few days ago which did not ask the he be deleted, but instead argued that since he hadn't been deleted for his inciting statements that i believed he was an agent provocateur, a government agent attempting to incite people to make incriminating statements on the messageboards, here is a link.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3341983&highlight=#3341983

I've had the unfortunate pleasure of running across your threads Galdania. You are completely different from any of the Nazi or SS people. To my knowledge, they have never advocated illegal acts against a nation. You, however, have done just that. You talked lightly about how you are learning to make bombs and how you would target people. You have spoken so lightheartedly of killing while never having witnessed it first hand. You spoke so dramatically about change while espousing no real ideas on how to do such.

But what struck me the most was how gleefully you talked of killing people I served with. You've never explained what any American soldier ever did to you. You talked of being happy about young men and women who gave their lives for their beliefs and their country. While I still believe it likely that you are more than likely a 13 year old who thinks its funny to say such things without really understanding the consequences of such speech, it doesn't make it appropriate.

In all my life, very few people have ever offended me. I have pretty thick skin about stuff. But the things you said are offensive. Death is not a laughing matter. Watching it on television or killing computer animated blips is not the same as the sensory overload one feels when it happens in front of them. It is something that no matter who the person is, lives on in memory for an eternity.Can you explain why there is a difference between Galdania's post and people on here supporting the torture of Iraqi citizens or the carpet bombing of Iraq? I do think there's a double standard here, where the lives of American servicemen are given a much higher importance then the lives of Iraqi civilians.

I've had the unfortunate pleasure of running across your threads Galdania. You are completely different from any of the Nazi or SS people. To my knowledge, they have never advocated illegal acts against a nation. You, however, have done just that. You talked lightly about how you are learning to make bombs and how you would target people. You have spoken so lightheartedly of killing while never having witnessed it first hand. You spoke so dramatically about change while espousing no real ideas on how to do such.

But what struck me the most was how gleefully you talked of killing people I served with. You've never explained what any American soldier ever did to you. You talked of being happy about young men and women who gave their lives for their beliefs and their country. While I still believe it likely that you are more than likely a 13 year old who thinks its funny to say such things without really understanding the consequences of such speech, it doesn't make it appropriate.

In all my life, very few people have ever offended me. I have pretty thick skin about stuff. But the things you said are offensive. Death is not a laughing matter. Watching it on television or killing computer animated blips is not the same as the sensory overload one feels when it happens in front of them. It is something that no matter who the person is, lives on in memory for an eternity.Can you explain why there is a difference between Galdania's post and people on here supporting the torture of Iraqi citizens or the carpet bombing of Iraq? I do think there's a double standard here, where the lives of American servicemen are given a much higher importance then the lives of Iraqi civilians.

That's an interesting and reasonable question. I hope I have an answer for you. While I personally believe that those people who support the torture and terrorizing of Iraqi citizens are wrong in their belief, I see nothing wrong with them having an opinion. An opinion, even one formulated on incorrect information or faulty beliefs, is still just an opinion. To my understanding, there has never been any deaths in history connected to someone merely having an opinion. Again, those who supported the invasion of Iraq, whether they believed it was the right thing to do, or out of prejudice, or out of bloodlust, or out of revenge, were expressing an opinion. While you may believe that the person sitting next to is wrong for supporting an unjust war, you can also fully realize that this person is again not harming anyone by merely having such a belief.

Now let me address your statement about American servicemen given a higher importance. Its perfectly true that Americans care more about Americans than they do about Iraqis. I can't help this, and I personally see nothing wrong with feeling more sympathy for those you have a common bond with than those who are nothing more than pictures on a television. If you wish to be philosophical, a person must be caring of those nearest to them in order to be able to also care for those who they share nothing with. I'll admit that when I was in Iraq I felt a higher priority towards a fellow soldier than I did towards an Iraqi civilian. However, there is a difference between caring more for one than the other and caring for one without feeling anything towards the other. I also think there is a difference between an American serviceman placing more importance on fellow servicemen and a regular civilian doing such. However, this really has little to do with your initial question about the differences between war supporters and Galdania.

Now, I've explained why I think that, although I disagree with people's opinions on supporting an unjust war, I have no problem with them holding an opinion. Here is the difference: Galdania was not expressing his opinion that he thinks that Americans were wrong or incorrect or unjustified. He was stating that he was taking actions with the sole intent of killing people. His statements were not an opinion but rather a statement that he was pursuing an illegal activity to solely kill American people. Do you see the difference between the two?

My next gripe is this: if you were to ask a war supporter for their reasoning behind supporting an unjust war, do you expect to get an answer, no matter how idiotic the answer is? Like it or not (and I don't), the president of the United States has stated reasons for this invasion, and people have a convincing argument that we should at least listen to what the president says, no matter how much we disapprove or even think is lying. We may think the reasoning is shoddy, but at least there is a reason and at least the war supporters will come out and list their reasons for supporting their belief. Galdania merely states that he hates Americans and then says things that serve no purpose but to incite anger. He says he has seen what Americans did to his people on television but refuses to state who these people are and when such an event occured. Then he spouts off that the old philosophy no longer works and change needs to occur. Well that's fine and dandy but there is no rationale or supporting statements that have been made to explain the initial hatred. It is one thing to view an opinion you disagree with when the person espousing that belief lists their reasoning for why they believe that. It is quite another when a person merely makes blanket statements about hatred and then goes on to say that they are going to kill those people.

Have I answered your question?

[quote=Thunderland]I've had the unfortunate pleasure of running across your threads Galdania. You are completely different from any of the Nazi or SS people. To my knowledge, they have never advocated illegal acts against a nation. You, however, have done just that. You talked lightly about how you are learning to make bombs and how you would target people. You have spoken so lightheartedly of killing while never having witnessed it first hand. You spoke so dramatically about change while espousing no real ideas on how to do such.

But what struck me the most was how gleefully you talked of killing people I served with. You've never explained what any American soldier ever did to you. You talked of being happy about young men and women who gave their lives for their beliefs and their country. While I still believe it likely that you are more than likely a 13 year old who thinks its funny to say such things without really understanding the consequences of such speech, it doesn't make it appropriate.

In all my life, very few people have ever offended me. I have pretty thick skin about stuff. But the things you said are offensive. Death is not a laughing matter. Watching it on television or killing computer animated blips is not the same as the sensory overload one feels when it happens in front of them. It is something that no matter who the person is, lives on in memory for an eternity.Can you explain why there is a difference between Galdania's post and people on here supporting the torture of Iraqi citizens or the carpet bombing of Iraq? I do think there's a double standard here, where the lives of American servicemen are given a much higher importance then the lives of Iraqi civilians.

That's an interesting and reasonable question. I hope I have an answer for you. Damn you to heck. I hate it when people use passive-aggressive compliments at me. It totally wrongfoots me. :wink: While I personally believe that those people who support the torture and terrorizing of Iraqi citizens are wrong in their belief, I see nothing wrong with them having an opinion. An opinion, even one formulated on incorrect information or faulty beliefs, is still just an opinion. To my understanding, there has never been any deaths in history connected to someone merely having an opinion. Again, those who supported the invasion of Iraq, whether they believed it was the right thing to do, or out of prejudice, or out of bloodlust, or out of revenge, were expressing an opinion. While you may believe that the person sitting next to is wrong for supporting an unjust war, you can also fully realize that this person is again not harming anyone by merely having such a belief.To a large extent I agree with you. I'm not sure about not harming anyone. In the times of both Gulf Wars unprovoked attacks against Muslims rose in number in the UK. I'm guessing it was the same in the US.

Now let me address your statement about American servicemen given a higher importance. Its perfectly true that Americans care more about Americans than they do about Iraqis. I can't help this, and I personally see nothing wrong with feeling more sympathy for those you have a common bond with than those who are nothing more than pictures on a television. If you wish to be philosophical, a person must be caring of those nearest to them in order to be able to also care for those who they share nothing with. I'll admit that when I was in Iraq I felt a higher priority towards a fellow soldier than I did towards an Iraqi civilian. However, there is a difference between caring more for one than the other and caring for one without feeling anything towards the other. I also think there is a difference between an American serviceman placing more importance on fellow servicemen and a regular civilian doing such. However, this really has little to do with your initial question about the differences between war supporters and Galdania.I completely understand what your saying here. (In a more complicated way, a good friend of mine found he was become increasingly sympathetic to the 'enemy' when posted in Northern Ireland). However there's a difference between me accepting that the majority of US posters on here are going to feel like you do and accepting that should have a bearing on moderation decisions.;

Now, I've explained why I think that, although I disagree with people's opinions on supporting an unjust war, I have no problem with them holding an opinion. Here is the difference: Galdania was not expressing his opinion that he thinks that Americans were wrong or incorrect or unjustified. He was stating that he was taking actions with the sole intent of killing people. His statements were not an opinion but rather a statement that he was pursuing an illegal activity to solely kill American people. Do you see the difference between the two? Yes. I don't personally believe (and I suspect you'd agree) that Galdania was telling the truth- I don't believe a real terrorist would be stupid enough to talk about their activity on a public internet forum. My worry is that from the way certain people have posted on this thread, it seems that Galdania was deleted for talking about the death of American soldiers, not for trolling. And, while I'd disagree with it, I don't actually think an Iraqi national on here saying he wished American troops on here dead would be any more unreasonable then an American serviceman wishing Saddam loyalists dead. It's all a matter of perspective on who you consider your enemy.

My next gripe is this: if you were to ask a war supporter for their reasoning behind supporting an unjust war, do you expect to get an answer, no matter how idiotic the answer is? Like it or not (and I don't), the president of the United States has stated reasons for this invasion, and people have a convincing argument that we should at least listen to what the president says, no matter how much we disapprove or even think is lying. We may think the reasoning is shoddy, but at least there is a reason and at least the war supporters will come out and list their reasons for supporting their belief. Galdania merely states that he hates Americans and then says things that serve no purpose but to incite anger. He says he has seen what Americans did to his people on television but refuses to state who these people are and when such an event occured. Then he spouts off that the old philosophy no longer works and change needs to occur. Well that's fine and dandy but there is no rationale or supporting statements that have been made to explain the initial hatred. It is one thing to view an opinion you disagree with when the person espousing that belief lists their reasoning for why they believe that. It is quite another when a person merely makes blanket statements about hatred and then goes on to say that they are going to kill those people.Again I take your point. But my worry is that, not being sure that's what Galdania was deleted for, could leave to people being deleted who I actually think would be unfair. (To slip into vulgarity, I think Galdania's a bit of a cock when all's said and done). To give a personal example, in the past I've been involved in street battles with fascists. I make no apologies for it as I think it was completely justified. But I simply don't know if justifying it would be grounds for deletion.

Have I answered your question?To a large extent you have, yes. I've obviously highlighted the sections I disagree with more for the sake of debate, but there seem to be a good deal of common ground between the two of us. Thanks for your time and your well reasoned and intelligent post.

so has galandia been deleted or not?

Damn you to heck. I hate it when people use passive-aggressive compliments at me. It totally wrongfoots me.

Six years and 2 degrees of psychology and you'll not be able to speak in anything but passive aggressive terms too. I've tried otherwise but I'm terribly afraid that I'm a lost cause now.

To a large extent I agree with you. I'm not sure about not harming anyone. In the times of both Gulf Wars unprovoked attacks against Muslims rose in number in the UK. I'm guessing it was the same in the US.

Heh, while I'm sure those attacks rose, I didn't spend much time in the US during the Gulf War. After finding out years later that former President Bush had relayed the message to Hussein that the United States would not intervene in a matter between Iraq and Kuwait I felt very bitter about the reasoning for us having gone over in the first place. I've come to peace with that and instead of feeling bitterness, I feel hope that despite the intentions we may have contributed to a greater good.

I completely understand what your saying here. (In a more complicated way, a good friend of mine found he was become increasingly sympathetic to the 'enemy' when posted in Northern Ireland). However there's a difference between me accepting that the majority of US posters on here are going to feel like you do and accepting that should have a bearing on moderation decisions.

I can relate to your friend. Before the Gulf War I had only preconceived notions about what an Iraqi was actually like. When I actually met Iraqis on a face to face level, I was constantly surprised. I even made an ass of myself by asking an Iraqi doctor if he owned a camel before he explained to me that he lived in a city of several million people and had only seen camels at zoos. Granted, he asked me if I was a coal miner since I was from West Virginia. Turns out he had gone to WVU Medical School. We instantly hit it off and the only difference between the two of us was the fact that WVU is the arch enemy of my alma mater. That and the fact that he was the smartest man I think I've ever met.

I'm not sure why the moderators made whatever decision they made. I think in this case, were they to have looked at the threats that were being made, I would imagine that to be a good rationale for removal. I've seen some people make some pretty ugly statements in the past and they've been allowed to stand. But I also believe that anytime someone goes beyond words to express an intent to harm, no matter who they say they will commit the action against, it should be grounds for removal. No one should have to feel threatened merely because of their nationality. A person can choose a lot about their lives but they can't change where they are from and shouldn't feel threatened as a result of it. Its the same reason I utterly despise the sentiment that Americans should ban French products on the grounds that the French government made a decision not to support a war that even the UN wouldn't support.

Yes. I don't personally believe (and I suspect you'd agree) that Galdania was telling the truth- I don't believe a real terrorist would be stupid enough to talk about their activity on a public internet forum. My worry is that from the way certain people have posted on this thread, it seems that Galdania was deleted for talking about the death of American soldiers, not for trolling. And, while I'd disagree with it, I don't actually think an Iraqi national on here saying he wished American troops on here dead would be any more unreasonable then an American serviceman wishing Saddam loyalists dead. It's all a matter of perspective on who you consider your enemy.

Yes, I agree with you. I don't think Galdania is telling the truth about who he really is. I get a picture of a kid who lives in a large house somewhere in a fancy suburb who has too much time on their hands and thinks that its funny to talk about making bombs.

I understand your point about how an Iraqi would feel. I know that if a soldier from England were patrolling my neighborhood and occupying my country "for my own good" I would do everything in my power to free my country. But its kind of a moot point since no one except the person who actually performed the deletion knows the true reason. Heck, it could eventually boil down to the fact that the moderator went to a restaurant named Galdania and got served awful food. We don't know, so firing out different possible reasons for why something happened is akin to the task of Sisyphus.

To a large extent you have, yes. I've obviously highlighted the sections I disagree with more for the sake of debate, but there seem to be a good deal of common ground between the two of us. Thanks for your time and your well reasoned and intelligent post

Common ground is always a good thing. Amicable debate is even better.

Damn you to heck. I hate it when people use passive-aggressive compliments at me. It totally wrongfoots me.

Six years and 2 degrees of psychology and you'll not be able to speak in anything but passive aggressive terms too. I've tried otherwise but I'm terribly afraid that I'm a lost cause now.

To a large extent I agree with you. I'm not sure about not harming anyone. In the times of both Gulf Wars unprovoked attacks against Muslims rose in number in the UK. I'm guessing it was the same in the US.

Heh, while I'm sure those attacks rose, I didn't spend much time in the US during the Gulf War. After finding out years later that former President Bush had relayed the message to Hussein that the United States would not intervene in a matter between Iraq and Kuwait I felt very bitter about the reasoning for us having gone over in the first place. I've come to peace with that and instead of feeling bitterness, I feel hope that despite the intentions we may have contributed to a greater good.

I completely understand what your saying here. (In a more complicated way, a good friend of mine found he was become increasingly sympathetic to the 'enemy' when posted in Northern Ireland). However there's a difference between me accepting that the majority of US posters on here are going to feel like you do and accepting that should have a bearing on moderation decisions.

I can relate to your friend. Before the Gulf War I had only preconceived notions about what an Iraqi was actually like. When I actually met Iraqis on a face to face level, I was constantly surprised. I even made an ass of myself by asking an Iraqi doctor if he owned a camel before he explained to me that he lived in a city of several million people and had only seen camels at zoos. Granted, he asked me if I was a coal miner since I was from West Virginia. Turns out he had gone to WVU Medical School. We instantly hit it off and the only difference between the two of us was the fact that WVU is the arch enemy of my alma mater. That and the fact that he was the smartest man I think I've ever met.

I'm not sure why the moderators made whatever decision they made. I think in this case, were they to have looked at the threats that were being made, I would imagine that to be a good rationale for removal. I've seen some people make some pretty ugly statements in the past and they've been allowed to stand. But I also believe that anytime someone goes beyond words to express an intent to harm, no matter who they say they will commit the action against, it should be grounds for removal. No one should have to feel threatened merely because of their nationality. A person can choose a lot about their lives but they can't change where they are from and shouldn't feel threatened as a result of it. Its the same reason I utterly despise the sentiment that Americans should ban French products on the grounds that the French government made a decision not to support a war that even the UN wouldn't support.

Yes. I don't personally believe (and I suspect you'd agree) that Galdania was telling the truth- I don't believe a real terrorist would be stupid enough to talk about their activity on a public internet forum. My worry is that from the way certain people have posted on this thread, it seems that Galdania was deleted for talking about the death of American soldiers, not for trolling. And, while I'd disagree with it, I don't actually think an Iraqi national on here saying he wished American troops on here dead would be any more unreasonable then an American serviceman wishing Saddam loyalists dead. It's all a matter of perspective on who you consider your enemy.

Yes, I agree with you. I don't think Galdania is telling the truth about who he really is. I get a picture of a kid who lives in a large house somewhere in a fancy suburb who has too much time on their hands and thinks that its funny to talk about making bombs.

I understand your point about how an Iraqi would feel. I know that if a soldier from England were patrolling my neighborhood and occupying my country "for my own good" I would do everything in my power to free my country. But its kind of a moot point since no one except the person who actually performed the deletion knows the true reason. Heck, it could eventually boil down to the fact that the moderator went to a restaurant named Galdania and got served awful food. We don't know, so firing out different possible reasons for why something happened is akin to the task of Sisyphus.

To a large extent you have, yes. I've obviously highlighted the sections I disagree with more for the sake of debate, but there seem to be a good deal of common ground between the two of us. Thanks for your time and your well reasoned and intelligent post

Common ground is always a good thing. Amicable debate is even better.

But its kind of a moot point since no one except the person who actually performed the deletion knows the true reason. Heck, it could eventually boil down to the fact that the moderator went to a restaurant named Galdania and got served awful food. We don't know, so firing out different possible reasons for why something happened is akin to the task of Sisyphus.
Point taken. That would seem to be my cue to go and ask politely in Moderation.

Galdania, I hope the US Secret Service hunts you down as they will and does what ever they wish to you.

Galdania, I hope the US Secret Service hunts you down as they will and does what ever they wish to you.You'd better hope Galdania was deleted for trolling. If it's for incitement to violence I'm going to be reporting you for precisely the same thing.

Galdania has not been deleted. However, the password and e-mail adress have been changed. THis leads me to believe that someone has hijacked the account.

Years of agression left thousands of Vietnamese freedom fighters dead, not to mention all of the innocent civilians killed in the American war against them.

Ho Chi Minh would have been democratically elected, had Vietnam been reunified as had been planned. However, America knew that Ho would win, and so refused to unite the country. My people therefore took action to take back their nation, and many of them died doing it.

Now in Iraq, the United States used it's massive military power to crush Sadaam Hussien's government. While a brutal, evil man, the United States had no right to go there.

I advocate violence against American soldiers, politicians, and all those that keep the war machine running. Workers at weapons factories, for instance, are just as guilty as soldiers.

For those soldiers who signed up simply for money or an education, I understand that due to a lack of social justice in America, citizens are more-or-less forced into the military. But instead of taking the easy route of joing the government, they shoul d fight the injustices within their country, politically and through force.

Just because my views are unpopular with Americans does not mean they are wrong.

I am not an American. I am not an Iraqi. But in this modern age, a person should not be forced to join the side they are born on. I have made an active choice to fight, and have already begun very small actions in Canada.

I stole and destroyed a bag full of enemy propaganda that was being delivered to a neighborhood in my city. I have begun my activities, and I invite others to join me.

If Galdania is returned to me, while I dearly hope it is, I will discontinue my posts in sensitive areas, and will keep my opinions to myself, even though I should be able to share them with my fellow people.

You should be lucky the feds haven't hauled your butt of to jail instead of whining about getting your nation back.

If Galdania is returned to me, while I dearly hope it is, I will discontinue my posts in sensitive areas, and will keep my opinions to myself, even though I should be able to share them with my fellow people.

You should be lucky the feds haven't hauled your butt of to jail instead of whining about getting your nation back.

Your government can't touch me. Until I do something, I am untouchable.

I am spreading ideas. I am spreading philosophy. Is your government so afraid I'm right that they would have me arrested and thrown in your prisons for political dissidents?

Yugolslavia>>

It is sad and I don't know how anyone can be a good person and want a group of people dead. That is not right and you need to see that. Shame on both of you.

- Hey, fuck you. It's a free country, and unless he carries through with his plans(which I am almost certain he will not), stop harassing him.