NationStates Jolt Archive

Same as before, no flaming, respect others' ideas even if they sharply contrast your own.

Mine are (in no particular order): Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Mussolini,
Ho Chi Minh, Lenin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev (did I spell that right?), Nelson
Mandela (see my 'Greatest Hero of the 20th Century' for details), Idi Amin, Papa Doc and Baby Doc Duvalier, Daniel Ortega, Alger Hiss, Joseph Goebbels, Heinrich Himmler, Hermann Goerring, Rudolf Hoss, Josef Mengele, the entire Ku Klux Klan, Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger, Saddam Hussein, Gorbachev, Deng Xiaoping, Boris Yeltsin, Castro,
Che Guevara, Antonio Gramsci, Jane Fonda, the assassin who started World War I, Hideki Tojo, Ngo Dinh Diem, Salvador Allende, Edward Mandell House, Alfred Kinsey, John Dewey, etc.)

thats a big list.....

Capone

Capone

Ah, of course, I forgot him (slaps forehead).

CaponeAl Capone ran soup kitchens and orphanages as well as taverns and brothels.

By his own admission he said he was accused of all the murders except for the casulty list of WW2

(Off topic: why tar? Why the colour?)

Well, I mean, if you're looking for the worst villain, shouldn't you just have a few names (preferably one) Or maybe you think they're all tied. I think Ken Lay is up there.

CaponeAl Capone ran soup kitchens and orphanages as well as taverns and brothels.

Okay, true, so he wasn't ALL bad, but still...I'd call him a villain.

Who's Ken Lay?

CaponeAl Capone ran soup kitchens and orphanages as well as taverns and brothels.

Okay, true, so he wasn't ALL bad, but still...I'd call him a villain.

I never said Capone was bad, he is just a steriotype.

Enron exec.

EDIT: To Roach-Buster

Enron exec.

EDIT: To Roach-Buster


Thanks.

Oh, yeah, I forgot to add 2: Kim Jong-il and Kim Il-sung.

Stalin.

By his own admission he said he was accused of all the murders except for the casulty list of WW2

(Off topic: why tar? Why the colour?)

pretty colours :D

Whoever started the trend of every cause having its own little ribbon.

Agreed, Deeloleo.

Personally, I think the worst villain was O.J. Simpson.

NO, not worst the way you're all thinking. I mean he was really lousy at it. He just sucks at being a villain. :P

I would say the Nazi German High Command, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, Yasser Arafat, and the Serbian assassin who shot the Austro-Hungarian prince are my top 5.

Osama bin Laden.

Celine Dion.

George Bush definitely. Hilter's brutal execution of 6 million Jews and Saddam's rape and torture of his own people pales in comparison to Bush's atrocities.

George Bush definitely. Hilter's brutal execution of 6 million Jews and Saddam's rape and torture of his own people pales in comparison to Bush's atrocities.What has Bush done that could ever compare?

George Bush definitely. Hilter's brutal execution of 6 million Jews and Saddam's rape and torture of his own people pales in comparison to Bush's atrocities.
George H.W. Bush?

You must be a double-agent troll as not many people are stupid enough to miss the whole 20th Century thing. Unless you are talking about a few executions in Texas.

George Bush..

oh wait.. Donald Rumsfeld..

oh wait.. Dick Cheney.


Ahh crap.. the entire Bush Adminstration.. They make Hitler look good..

George Bush definitely. Hilter's brutal execution of 6 million Jews and Saddam's rape and torture of his own people pales in comparison to Bush's atrocities.What has Bush done that could ever compare?
Why cheating in the 2000 election of course. Defrauding those old people, selling blood for oil, and you know, everything that genius Michael Moore says. (hehe, I realize now that my sarcasm is hard to detect since some people actually post like this :P This was just an ill-conceived joke)

Er, let's see:
Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Kim Sung-Il, Kim Jong-Il, Francois Duvalier, Nicolae Ceausescu, Than Shwe.

George Bush definitely. Hilter's brutal execution of 6 million Jews and Saddam's rape and torture of his own people pales in comparison to Bush's atrocities.What has Bush done that could ever compare?
Why cheating in the 2000 election of course. Defrauding those old people, selling blood for oil, and you know, everything that genius Michael Moore says. (hehe, I realize now that my sarcasm is hard to detect since some people actually post like this :P This was just an ill-conceived joke)Sorry, the same thing happens to me sometimes. But, when I am mis-understood it seems to close threads, so you are doing better than I.

George W. Bush, George H. Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Dick Cheney, Hitler + his boys, Osama Bin Laden, Stalin, Mussolini, Jesus Christ + anyone else who founded Christianity, the Pope

George W. Bush, George H. Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Dick Cheney, Hitler + his boys, Osama Bin Laden, Stalin, Mussolini, Jesus Christ + anyone else who founded Christianity, the PopeWith the exeption of Stalin, in short, everyone that Socilaists hate, well lets hrow in Reagan, right?

What are Bush Jr (and members of his administration) doing here? It's supposed to be from the C20th.

Osama bin Laden.

Celine Dion.

HA! That's awesome!

Ah well they started their careers as villains in the 20th :p
My list is somewhat biased since I cant remember many villains - except those that were very bad and those that are just recently found to be villains (Bush & Co.)

George W. Bush, George H. Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Dick Cheney, Hitler + his boys, Osama Bin Laden, Stalin, Mussolini, Jesus Christ + anyone else who founded Christianity, the Pope

All of those, and Reagan. Let's not forget Margaret Thatcher, either.

Worst villains, mhm !!!! Well there are so many.
Certainly Hitler and Stalin were the worst ones. Well: and Pol Pot.
And of course there are many, many more.

I would say Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Osama Bin Laden, Pol Pot, King Leopld II, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussan, Freansisco Franco, Augosto Pinocheti and Ante Pavelick.

Well, I mean, if you're looking for the worst villain, shouldn't you just have a few names (preferably one) Or maybe you think they're all tied. I think Ken Lay is up there.

Bill would say ken star

To single out one: Mao. He has the most blood on his hands for the purpose of self-agrandizement.

Personally, I think the worst villain was O.J. Simpson.

NO, not worst the way you're all thinking. I mean he was really lousy at it. He just sucks at being a villain. :P

Good one!!
:lol:

The Hamburgular.
Well, actually, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, all those. So many.

Stalin. Who was easily the biggest monster of the 20th Century and is a strong contender for the title of biggest monster in human history. The man purged 40,000 officers of his own army and presided over the death of up to 10% of the Russian population.

Mugabe's bad, but the worst of his crimes have been committed this century, alongside GWB and co.
Mugabe's boys were planning a bombing, then to frame it on terrorists linked to Britain, all in an attempt to get rid of about 90% of white people left in Zimbabwe before the next election.

George Bush definitely. Hilter's brutal execution of 6 million Jews and Saddam's rape and torture of his own people pales in comparison to Bush's atrocities.What has Bush done that could ever compare?
Why cheating in the 2000 election of course. Defrauding those old people, selling blood for oil, and you know, everything that genius Michael Moore says. (hehe, I realize now that my sarcasm is hard to detect since some people actually post like this :P This was just an ill-conceived joke)

I am sorry, but i don't see how cheating an election is worse than killing 6 milllion people.

Well, I mean, if you're looking for the worst villain, shouldn't you just have a few names (preferably one) Or maybe you think they're all tied. I think Ken Lay is up there.
too bad the question being asked is Worst Villians of the 20th century, not the 21st.

A curious thing. I was just about to list out a few people I didn't care for - Kissinger, Stalin, Milton Friedman, fascists in general, whoever the Hell fired John Wick from the Legend of the Five Rings crew, the genius behind the neutering of Troy, and I was just thinking about my very favourite villain, Augusto Pinochet, when something struck me. The first poster here listed Allende - sainted Salvador Allende! - and I began to wonder. Is not Pinochet the greater evil? Is elevating people out of the filthy shanties so much more horrible?

Hitler, Mengela, Nazis in general, Hussin, bin Ladin, terrorists in general.

George Bush definitely. Hilter's brutal execution of 6 million Jews and Saddam's rape and torture of his own people pales in comparison to Bush's atrocities.What has Bush done that could ever compare?
Why cheating in the 2000 election of course. Defrauding those old people, selling blood for oil, and you know, everything that genius Michael Moore says. (hehe, I realize now that my sarcasm is hard to detect since some people actually post like this :P This was just an ill-conceived joke)

I am sorry, but i don't see how cheating an election is worse than killing 6 milllion people.It was sarcasm. He even made a side note to point out it was sarcasm. You quoted that side note. He was how do you say... joking.

It's too easy to label somebody bad, isn't it? How much have you studied these personalities up close in a historical manner?

For example, Mao Zedong overthrew the corrupt "Nationalist" regime in China to establish a stable nation ripe for economic development. Why doesn't anybody mention these deeds, and just remember the faults? :?

Hitler. Stalin. Mussolini. Pavelic. Franco. Hussein. Khomenei. Amin. Kalejs. Yezhov.

I could go on forever.

Note, that I didn't mention "Bush" "Thatcher" etc. like a stereotypical leftist. These people had/have by my reckoning terrible political views, but they weren't villains. They didn't kill people. Oh...wait...!

It's too easy to label somebody bad, isn't it? How much have you studied these personalities up close in a historical manner?

For example, Mao Zedong overthrew the corrupt "Nationalist" regime in China to establish a stable nation ripe for economic development. Why doesn't anybody mention these deeds, and just remember the faults? :?


Yeah, but Mao also slaughtered at least 40 million of his fellow Chinese, established one of the most brutal and repressive regimes in history, destroyed what little economy China had before he took over, caused millions of people to starve to death, and supported tyrants around the world, including Kim Il-sung.

Any fascist, Marxist, or military dictator ever to hold power in the 20th century.

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It's too easy to label somebody bad, isn't it? How much have you studied these personalities up close in a historical manner?

For example, Mao Zedong overthrew the corrupt "Nationalist" regime in China to establish a stable nation ripe for economic development. Why doesn't anybody mention these deeds, and just remember the faults? :?


Yeah, but Mao also slaughtered at least 40 million of his fellow Chinese, established one of the most brutal and repressive regimes in history, destroyed what little economy China had before he took over, caused millions of people to starve to death, and supported tyrants around the world, including Kim Il-sung.

See? You're just looking at the faults. Agreed, for example Mao did make some horrendous mistakes, but is it justified so that these mistakes sweep away all the achievements? I don't think so.

Jane Fonda

??? hehe, Jane Fonda is a "villian"? Why because she protested against a war at the same time that millions of others were?

She just stuck out like a sore thumb in your list.. ;)

Stalin and Mao were the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century. Whether that makes them the worst villains, well, maybe, but I believe that the people who were really the worst were/are the left-wing types who justify the murders.

Someone here was doing it just before - Mao was a murderer etc., but he made some real improvements to China so was actually not that bad.

This trend has been around for a very long time - you can go back to the American journalist John Reed in the USSR and his fawning support of Lenin during the revolution and his overlooking of "minor" details such as how Lenin and Dzerzhinsky arranged the political murders of more Russians in a year than all the Tsars had managed in the previous 100.

Reed knew this, but it didn't matter, and a left-wing idiot like Warren Beatty could make an adulatory film about him (Reed) and his experiences called "Reds" that won many oscars - awarded by more left-wing hollywood liberal types, of course.

ITS TAR :shock:

Stalin and Mao were the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century. Whether that makes them the worst villains, well, maybe, but I believe that the people who were really the worst were/are the left-wing types who justify the murders.

Someone here was doing it just before - Mao was a murderer etc., but he made some real improvements to China so was actually not that bad.

This trend has been around for a very long time - you can go back to the American journalist John Reed in the USSR and his fawning support of Lenin during the revolution and his overlooking of "minor" details such as how Lenin and Dzerzhinsky arranged the political murders of more Russians in a year than all the Tsars had managed in the previous 100.

Reed knew this, but it didn't matter, and a left-wing idiot like Warren Beatty could make an adulatory film about him (Reed) and his experiences called "Reds" that won many oscars - awarded by more left-wing hollywood liberal types, of course.

They aren't worse because they're left wing. The dictators themselves were perhaps equally as bad on a political level, but i'm afraid that if you think that killing in the name of racial superiority is any better, simply because they allowed private enterprise, then I am sorry, but you need your head examined.

Yet, with your degradation of the Bolshevik political murders, you fail to take into account that there was a civil war in progress, and just as many communists, anarchists and innocents were being slaughtered brutally by the 'white' counter revolutionaries than the Bolsheviks killed in that short time period. (pre-Stalin) And I presume that you have never heard of Bloody Sunday? You're just as guilty at only looking toward one side of the story as John Reed.

And honestly, you jumping and attacking a film director because he was a leftist makes little sense at all and is totally irrelevant. Was Warren Beatty someone you would consider one of the 20th centuries worst criminals?

It's too easy to label somebody bad, isn't it? How much have you studied these personalities up close in a historical manner?

For example, Mao Zedong overthrew the corrupt "Nationalist" regime in China to establish a stable nation ripe for economic development. Why doesn't anybody mention these deeds, and just remember the faults? :?


Yeah, but Mao also slaughtered at least 40 million of his fellow Chinese, established one of the most brutal and repressive regimes in history, destroyed what little economy China had before he took over, caused millions of people to starve to death, and supported tyrants around the world, including Kim Il-sung.

See? You're just looking at the faults. Agreed, for example Mao did make some horrendous mistakes, but is it justified so that these mistakes sweep away all the achievements? I don't think so.


Achievements? What achievements? :?

Mistakes, eh? Arresting and slaughtering millions of people for being educated, owning property, etc...yeah, big mistake, all right.

Rudolf Hoss

It's actually Rudolf Hess. Just to let you know...

But yes I'd say I have to agree with most of your list.

I'd add Barbara Streisand, Martha Stewart, and Rosie O'Donnell to the list. As far as I'm concerned they're just evil.

Stalin and Mao were the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century. Whether that makes them the worst villains, well, maybe, but I believe that the people who were really the worst were/are the left-wing types who justify the murders.

Someone here was doing it just before - Mao was a murderer etc., but he made some real improvements to China so was actually not that bad.

This trend has been around for a very long time - you can go back to the American journalist John Reed in the USSR and his fawning support of Lenin during the revolution and his overlooking of "minor" details such as how Lenin and Dzerzhinsky arranged the political murders of more Russians in a year than all the Tsars had managed in the previous 100.

Reed knew this, but it didn't matter, and a left-wing idiot like Warren Beatty could make an adulatory film about him (Reed) and his experiences called "Reds" that won many oscars - awarded by more left-wing hollywood liberal types, of course.

They aren't worse because they're left wing. The dictators themselves were perhaps equally as bad on a political level, but i'm afraid that if you think that killing in the name of racial superiority is any better, simply because they allowed private enterprise, then I am sorry, but you need your head examined.

Yet, with your degradation of the Bolshevik political murders, you fail to take into account that there was a civil war in progress, and just as many communists, anarchists and innocents were being slaughtered brutally by the 'white' counter revolutionaries than the Bolsheviks killed in that short time period. (pre-Stalin) And I presume that you have never heard of Bloody Sunday? You're just as guilty at only looking toward one side of the story as John Reed.

And honestly, you jumping and attacking a film director because he was a leftist makes little sense at all and is totally irrelevant. Was Warren Beatty someone you would consider one of the 20th centuries worst criminals?


The White Russians had nothing to do with 'Bloody Sunday.' It was Nicholas II's regime that orchestrated that massacre, during the first decade of the 20th century.

Rudolf Hoss

It's actually Rudolf Hess. Just to let you know...

But yes I'd say I have to agree with most of your list.

I'd add Barbara Streisand, Martha Stewart, and Rosie O'Donnell to the list. As far as I'm concerned they're just evil.


Hess, eh? I thought it was 'Hoss'. Well, thanks for the correction.

Rudolf Hoss

It's actually Rudolf Hess. Just to let you know...

But yes I'd say I have to agree with most of your list.

I'd add Barbara Streisand, Martha Stewart, and Rosie O'Donnell to the list. As far as I'm concerned they're just evil.


Hess, eh? I thought it was 'Hoss'. Well, thanks for the correction.

Jane Fonda

??? hehe, Jane Fonda is a "villian"? Why because she protested against a war at the same time that millions of others were?

She just stuck out like a sore thumb in your list.. ;)


No, not because she protested. Everyone has a right to his or her opinion. But providing moral aid to the enemy, witnessing the abuse of POWs first-hand and then accusing them of 'lying' when they said they had been tortured, posing on an anti-aircraft gun that had shot down American planes, publicly proclaiming that she was a communist, supporting the racist, ultra-leftist Black Panthers, and marrying evil men like Tom Hayden and Ted Turner, are reasons I put her on the list.

Hess, eh? I thought it was 'Hoss'. Well, thanks for the correction.

No problem. I'm just a big history buff, so I noticed it.

Hess, eh? I thought it was 'Hoss'. Well, thanks for the correction.

No problem. I'm just a big history buff, so I noticed it.


History buff, eh? I am, too! :D We should be friends. Would it be all right if our nations exchanged embassies, started free trade, and (with your consent only) exchanged military bases and became military allies?

No offense Roach, but placing McCarthy on your list of heroes and Lennin on your list of villians says much about you personally. I can't say which I was more shocked by.

No offense Roach, but placing McCarthy on your list of heroes and Lennin on your list of villians says much about you personally. I can't say which I was more shocked by.

Please don't call me Roach. I know you didn't mean for it to be offensive, but still, please don't call me that. Read page 2 or 3 of my 'greatest heroes blah blah' thread for details on why I put McCarthy on the list.

My worst villains? Booker T. Washington, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, Jr., Barry Goldwater, and Park Chung Hee.

the Serbian assassin who shot the Austro-Hungarian prince are my top 5.

Gavrilo Princip - it was because of him WWI started and because of WWI that the Holocaust and WWII and even more problems came to be

I think making princip your bigest villian is unfair granted he started world war one but very indirectly. HE killed he archduke for the fredom of his country and was trying to get forign oppressers to leave his country so he and his people could be free. HE had no idea his actions would start the war.
JUst a little rant there my list would be

1. Hitller for obvious reasons
2. Harold Shipman because he murderd so many old people who respected and trusted him
3. Mugabe because he just racist murdering scum.

I think making princip your bigest villian is unfair granted he started world war one but very indirectly. HE killed he archduke for the fredom of his country and was trying to get forign oppressers to leave his country so he and his people could be free. HE had no idea his actions would start the war.
JUst a little rant there my list would be

1. Hitller for obvious reasons
2. Harold Shipman because he murderd so many old people who respected and trusted him
3. Mugabe because he just racist murdering scum.

I think making princip your bigest villian is unfair granted he started world war one but very indirectly. HE killed he archduke for the fredom of his country and was trying to get forign oppressers to leave his country so he and his people could be free. HE had no idea his actions would start the war.
JUst a little rant there my list would be

1. Hitller for obvious reasons
2. Harold Shipman because he murderd so many old people who respected and trusted him
3. Mugabe because he just racist murdering scum.