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I'm going to see it the day it comes out..

http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/quicktime/large.php

You bet your ass I'll watch it.

It won the highest award at Cannes.

AND..It just might open a few conservative eyes about the man currently in office.

Do you really hope that a movie that caustic and incendiary is going to convince many people who don't already agree with it? I'm concerned that Michael Moore is going to scare away the swing voters...
Don't get me wrong, I love what he's saying, but he's going to be preaching to the choir, and no one else.

You bet your ass I'll watch it.

It won the highest award at Cannes.

AND..It just might open a few conservative eyes about the man currently in office.Doubt it will change any hard core Conservatives minds, they'll just dismiss it as lies and won't even watch it. It might sway some fence-sitters though.

No. Moore is an American sell-out simply for the fact that he's an obnoxious twit who sort of believes in the same things I do, but has a way of going about expressing them that totally disgusts me.

You bet your ass I'll watch it.

It won the highest award at Cannes.

AND..It just might open a few conservative eyes about the man currently in office.Doubt it will change any hard core Conservatives minds, they'll just dismiss it as lies and won't even watch it. It might sway some fence-sitters though.

Haven't you noticed the GOP attack machine out though? They don't want you to see this movie.

No. Moore is an American sell-out simply for the fact that he's an obnoxious twit who sort of believes in the same things I do, but has a way of going about expressing them that totally disgusts me.

I understand, but don't agree. While I agree in principle to his
anti-conservative agenda, words will not strike down the enemy. The way to fight is no longer with words, but with bombs.

The best movie of the year is obviously Raising Helen :roll:

I'm going to wait 'till it's on TV. Then turn it off mid-way thru and go play video games.

I plan on going to see it. I would say that it the best movie of the year though

No. Moore is an American sell-out simply for the fact that he's an obnoxious twit who sort of believes in the same things I do, but has a way of going about expressing them that totally disgusts me.

Hello....

He's an E*N*T*E*R*T*A*I*N*E*R.

Thats what hes supposed to do.

Looks like it worked on you, huh?

Either you like what he says or, dont..it made you feel something.

Job Done.

According to http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=entertainer, I would only consider him an entertainer in one sense of the word, and that sense not used very often.



Some days, I'm too technical for my own good.

I'll see it.

He's an E*N*T*E*R*T*A*I*N*E*R.

And, now, he's trying to be a political pundit. He's held to that standard, too, plain and simple.

He's an E*N*T*E*R*T*A*I*N*E*R.

And, now, he's trying to be a political pundit. He's held to that standard, too, plain and simple.

He's brilliant, because you don't like him, but you're talking about him..

No such thing as bad press..

"Talk good about me, talk bad about me, but talk about me" ;)

Dude. Chronicles of Riddick is a crappy movie and it beats Farenheit 9/11 hands down.

Now, if you said "The Greatest Comedy Movie..." then I would agree.

probably wait til it comes out on dvd
maybe I'll see it in the theater if it's being shown anywhere near here
edit: and that second statement isn't too likely. Even if a theater had it, it wouldn't surprise me to go and see a bunch of protestors blocking the entrance...

He's an E*N*T*E*R*T*A*I*N*E*R.

And, now, he's trying to be a political pundit. He's held to that standard, too, plain and simple.

He's brilliant, because you don't like him, but you're talking about him..

No such thing as bad press..

"Talk good about me, talk bad about me, but talk about me" ;)

Typical that people outside of the USA like him. Most americans don't! He was booed of the stage when he accepted some award here. Americans hate him, except liberals (no slam here just the truth) but people outside of America love him. That is a truth.

No such thing as bad press..

Which is the only reason he's become a household name...

Dodgeball is funnier, more creative in it's lies, and yet more factually correct than the Michael moore lies.

He's an E*N*T*E*R*T*A*I*N*E*R.

And, now, he's trying to be a political pundit. He's held to that standard, too, plain and simple.

Precisely.

Ever read his books?


At the end of "Dude, Where's my Country?"

Theres a chapter of 27 pages with nothing but his sources for his quotes and figures.

Hes an entertainer, but he also has an agenda.
He's trying to entertain you, and make you see his point of view while he does it.
Either way, there is no bad publicity.

No such thing as bad press..

Which is the only reason he's become a household name...

No..I would sat that being a best selling author, and an Academy Award winning Filmmaker did that fairly well.

You bet your ass I'll watch it.

It won the highest award at Cannes.

AND..It just might open a few conservative eyes about the man currently in office.Doubt it will change any hard core Conservatives minds, they'll just dismiss it as lies and won't even watch it. It might sway some fence-sitters though.

you're right! i don't plan to watch it! going to see the day after tomorrow was bad enough (nice effects, though 8) ), i don't need TWO movies to tell me to vote further to the left than mao zedong.

Dodgeball is funnier, more creative in it's lies, and yet more factually correct than the Michael moore lies.

Dude. Chronicles of Riddick is a crappy movie and it beats Farenheit 9/11 hands down.

Now, if you said "The Greatest Comedy Movie..." then I would agree.


Were either of you at Cannes? Or just psychic? Because according to my reading, the movie won't be released here until June 23. Or are you just making assumptions based on preconceived notions? I mean, I've seen the trailer for the movie, but the most damning part of that whole thing was the things that came out of W's own mouth, not anything Moore said about them.
Now, there are people saying it is the best movie of the year... that too might be a bit of an assumption. But they do have the top award of the Cannes Film Festival backing them up on that.
So see it, or don't... but don't make claims about a movie you haven't seen.
(If you were at Cannes, forgive my diatribe.)

And yeah... the Chronicles of Riddick is terrible.

I'm not sure if I'm going to see it in theaters. It takes extreme measures to get me into a movie theater... I think I'll just stick to reading reviews about it until it comes out on DVD. But I'll definately see it then.

Although I think there is lots of truth to what Michael Moore says, in my mind he's gotten himself a reputation for making him material exagerated, hyped and almost crazy.
I can't tell if I really like M.Moore or if I can't stand him.
I know it's one of the two. Hmm...

I can't stand the SOB and want him to die of a heart attack. How can you libs dismiss his stupid comments when he said the victims on the planes on 9-11 were wusses and if the passengers were black the attack wouldn't of occured. I guess those people who were murdered were just cowards. If my family was on one of those planes I would punch Moore in his fat face (can't punch his stomach as it is just fat and you would lose your hand in the blubber) I guess Todd Beamer and the rest of the people on UAL Fl 93 were wusses.

That lardo needs to use his mouth for it's one good purpose, stuffing Krispy Kremes down it to clog his arteries.

yeah, i'll see it for sure. but i am getting a little tired of his overly personal and slightly obnoxious rhetoric. if he could just be factual and cool it would be so much more effective!

yeah, i'll see it for sure. but i am getting a little tired of his overly personal and slightly obnoxious rhetoric. if he could just be factual and cool it would be so much more effective!

There are the words I was looking for! Kudos

yeah, i'll see it for sure. but i am getting a little tired of his overly personal and slightly obnoxious rhetoric. if he could just be factual and cool it would be so much more effective!

There are the words I was looking for! Kudos

yeah, it's starting to grate. too much bombast for one man.

Dodgeball is funnier, more creative in it's lies, and yet more factually correct than the Michael moore lies.

Dude. Chronicles of Riddick is a crappy movie and it beats Farenheit 9/11 hands down.

Now, if you said "The Greatest Comedy Movie..." then I would agree.


Were either of you at Cannes? Or just psychic? Because according to my reading, the movie won't be released here until June 23. Or are you just making assumptions based on preconceived notions? I mean, I've seen the trailer for the movie, but the most damning part of that whole thing was the things that came out of W's own mouth, not anything Moore said about them.
Now, there are people saying it is the best movie of the year... that too might be a bit of an assumption. But they do have the top award of the Cannes Film Festival backing them up on that.
So see it, or don't... but don't make claims about a movie you haven't seen.
(If you were at Cannes, forgive my diatribe.)

And yeah... the Chronicles of Riddick is terrible.

Why yes. I am making assumptions.

yeah, i'll see it for sure. but i am getting a little tired of his overly personal and slightly obnoxious rhetoric. if he could just be factual and cool it would be so much more effective!

There are the words I was looking for! Kudos

yeah, it's starting to grate. too much bombast for one man.

agreed. it almost seems as if anything he's tried to say has already been said... and it's turned away from being facts.. its turned into propaganda and hype.
it's a shame, because if someone could say what he's trying to say, but a bit more maturely, it could be incredible. really incredible.
not saying it wont be incredible anyway... just... i'm not sure what my point is anymore, nevermind. haha...

You bet your ass I'll watch it.

It won the highest award at Cannes.

AND..It just might open a few conservative eyes about the man currently in office.Doubt it will change any hard core Conservatives minds, they'll just dismiss it as lies and won't even watch it. It might sway some fence-sitters though.

Haven't you noticed the GOP attack machine out though? They don't want you to see this movie.Actually I'd rather not see it because Moore is a dishonorable sob. He has quite "creative" interepretations of facts, and I much rather see an actual documentary instead of another "mockumentary".

Manipulating another person's speech, and then threatening to sue people for libel when they question him about it. Oh yeah, he's the man I want fighting for my freedom of speech....

You bet your ass I'll watch it.

It won the highest award at Cannes.

AND..It just might open a few conservative eyes about the man currently in office.
And recieved the longest standing ovation in history or somesuch.

Hmmm, was it because of
A) The quality of the film
or
B) The political views of the judges and audience.

Actually the best movie is Stepford Wives. It's got Christopher Walken in it.

I'm going to go and see it, but I'll pick it apart for its production values more than its story.

Actually the best movie is Stepford Wives. It's got Christopher Walken in it. ROBOTS!
Anyway, Michael Moore...he's kinda worn out his welcome. I'm fine with him voicing his opinion, but does he have to be so annoying about it? Just say what you have to say, don't drown it in hype and rhetoric.

About Moore's 'lies': I did plenty of research on his stuff when I did a review of his last book. Went to plenty of conservative sources and a few nonpartisan ones (there just aren't many objective people looking to discount him, tellingly).

Now, Moore will spin a subject all day. That's his perogative (again, he's an entertainer). All whining aside about how he 'made this person / event / law SEEM bad', where the facts are concerned, he's only flat-out misrepresented one thing in the past five years. That would be his timeline on when the NRA held its rallies in Bowling for Columbine. Sloppy, really.

Again, YES, he has no problem with using poll results that put up good liberal numbers. He has no problem jumping to conclusions for you. But as far as his cold hard facts are concerned, he's actually pretty airtight. So I'm always a little miffed when I see his detractors drop the 'L' word on Moore because Rush Limbaugh said he was.

And really, try watching the movie with an open mind, which is admittedly rare these days. Think for yourself. If even half the stuff Moore says is true - and the percentage is much more than that - shouldn't you be just a little concerned?

So far--and the film has been screened more than once, and by some people with an axe to grind against it (Bill O'Reilly apparently walked out less than halfway through it)--no one has come up with any factual criticism of the film. The NY Times today thought it had something--about the flights carrying out Saudis on 9/13--but it turns out they were wrong, not Moore, since the TIA backed up Moore's story.

So scream and howl all you like, you folks on the right. There's nothing new in this film--if you've been paying attention. That's the key--you have to have been paying attention, because the news media sure hasn't been doing much of a job getting this info out there and making it easy to find.

Most Americans don't pay attention--we're too busy worrying about Survivor and American Idol and Friends to worry about real issues. Well here they come--hot and heavy--and there's no dodging them. Next Friday, the battle really starts.

Dodgeball is funnier, more creative in it's lies, and yet more factually correct than the Michael moore lies.


Moore wouldn't know the truth if it bit him in the ass! He is just another Liberal doing whatever is needed to slam George Bush and get him out of office. I got better things to do than seeing his stupid movie.

Dodgeball is funnier, more creative in it's lies, and yet more factually correct than the Michael moore lies.


Moore wouldn't know the truth if it bit him in the ass! He is just another Liberal doing whatever is needed to slam George Bush and get him out of office. I got better things to do than seeing his stupid movie.

You obvisously arent listening.

I'm not going to pay the $20 or so that it would take for me and the person I'd like to take to see it. I might rent it to see which half-truths and whole lies Moore is screaming now.

Moore wouldn't know the truth if it bit him in the ass! He is just another Liberal doing whatever is needed to slam George Bush and get him out of office. I got better things to do than seeing his stupid movie.

Do you actually think you're contributing something to this debate?

You're offering no evidence stronger than your own opinion to impugn Moore's veracity.

"Just another liberal" implies that there is something wrong with being liberal, or that they're all alike. Neither of which have you established.

Of course he wants Bush out of office... that's sorta the point.

And I respect your right not to see the movie, but what makes you think it is stupid? The fact that he criticizes Bush?


Now... I'll be the first to admit, I almost don't want Moore on my side. The man IS obnoxious, and sometimes underhanded, and his diatribe at the Oscars last year was crass. That said, this most recent film recieved the Palm D'Or at Cannes. I realize awards aren't everything, and that may have to do just as much with the politics of the voters as the quality of the film... but it does at least suggest that he is offering a compelling argument. Instead of engaging in character assassination and politically driven praise and criticism, could we maybe wait until the film is actually released? Maybe then we could at least intelligently argue over the merits of the movie.

Moore is nothing but a deceiver and a gigantic smart ass.

The smart ass part is the reason he's an entertainer, and also why he's not a politician.

i would have seen it if it wasnt going to be released outside of the US

i would have seen it if it wasnt going to be released outside of the US

Wait, what? What do you mean?

i would have seen it if it wasnt going to be released outside of the US

Wait, what? What do you mean?

it a anti-american movie tthats should not be distributed outside of the US

i would have seen it if it wasnt going to be released outside of the US

Wait, what? What do you mean?

it a anti-american movie tthats should not be distributed outside of the US

I don't see why not. We have as much right to be angry toward Bush as the next American.

i would have seen it if it wasnt going to be released outside of the US

Wait, what? What do you mean?

it a anti-american movie tthats should not be distributed outside of the US

I don't see why not. We have as much right to be angry toward Bush as the next American.
:roll: Yep, cause he takes vacations in Europe so he can eat babies.

i would have seen it if it wasnt going to be released outside of the US

Wait, what? What do you mean?

it a anti-american movie tthats should not be distributed outside of the US

I don't see why not. We have as much right to be angry toward Bush as the next American.
:roll: Yep, cause he takes vacations in Europe so he can eat babies.

what?

You bet your ass I'll watch it.

It won the highest award at Cannes.

AND..It just might open a few conservative eyes about the man currently in office.Doubt it will change any hard core Conservatives minds, they'll just dismiss it as lies and won't even watch it. It might sway some fence-sitters though.

im a leftie and im not watchin it. its a waste of 9 bucks here for me. really isnt worth seeing something on screen that i have been thinking about for 4 years.... but just foretelling it, rather than showing it in all its glory:

Bush's death/impeachment/kicking out of office/not re-elected.

Personally I'll be waiting for the DVD, I haven't gone to the movies since SW ep 2: AotC.

Leni Reifenstahl (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0025913/) would be proud of Michael Moore.

Watched Bowling for Columbine and thought it was pretty good. I could see through those areas where he was stretching the truth or giving only part of the information. Then again he never says he is going to provide a documentary of unbiased content.

Can’t see why anyone wouldn’t want to watch it. If you dislike the man and find his views dodgy, then sit there, use your brain and pick his arguments apart. It’s not too hard as he aims his arguments pretty low.

Now if you want a film not to watch, then pick one like ‘U whatever number they made up’ which is a travesty and a complete distortion of history.

Most of Moore's "facts" are dubious at best, people have denied ever having been interviewed by him. Just because you put sources at the ends of your book doesn't mean they're real. The whole scene in Bowling where he bought his gun was faked, and the policy said he'd have to wait for 6 months. The timeline of the rally was deliberately vague so as to imply Heston was being callous to the tragedy. Anyone can spin facts, I'll continue getting my information from CNN.

i would have seen it if it wasnt going to be released outside of the US

it a anti-american movie that should not be distributed outside of the US

Well... hold on now. Showing Bush in a negative light is not the same as being anti-American. When your country is being led by a man that you think is making a mockery of your country, showing the rest of the world how ridiculous that man is is the most patriotic thing you can do. Its Moore's way of saying, "See world? It isn't Americans who are so bad... it is just this guy."
Now you can disagree that Bush is the problem, or even A problem, but Moore saying that our leader (or even our country) is behaving wrongly is not a betrayal. Saying "My country, right or wrong" is like saying "my mother, drunk or sober." Just because you love a country doesn't mean you have to approve everything it does. Protest IS patriotic. Even on the international scene.

i would have seen it if it wasnt going to be released outside of the US

it a anti-american movie that should not be distributed outside of the US

Well... hold on now. Showing Bush in a negative light is not the same as being anti-American. When your country is being led by a man that you think is making a mockery of your country, showing the rest of the world how ridiculous that man is is the most patriotic thing you can do. Its Moore's way of saying, "See world? It isn't Americans who are so bad... it is just this guy."
Now you can disagree that Bush is the problem, or even A problem, but Moore saying that our leader (or even our country) is behaving wrongly is not a betrayal. Saying "My country, right or wrong" is like saying "my mother, drunk or sober." Just because you love a country doesn't mean you have to approve everything it does. Protest IS patriotic. Even on the international scene.
*ripple of applause*

Moore isn't just anti-Bush, he's anti-industry, anti-wealth, anti-gun, and basically anti-everything that half the country supports. He doesn't like the American idea of capitilism, which has made America the power that it is today.

thank you, Nian.

Listen... you don't have to like what Moore stands for, but clearly, he has different ideas from your about what makes America great. That doesn't make him anti-American. It makes him anti-yourideaofwhatitmeanstobeAmerican.

Moore isn't just anti-Bush, he's anti-industry, anti-wealth, anti-gun, and basically anti-everything that half the country supports. He doesn't like the American idea of capitilism, which has made America the power that it is today.
And made Moore that success he is today. He'd be first against the wall if "the revolution" ever came.

Honestly, I could care less what Moore thinks of Bush, everyone is entitled to their own stupid ass opinion of people. However, when he starts saying industry should be held captive to its workers, and that the second amendment doesn't really apply anymore, then I have issues with him.

i would have seen it if it wasnt going to be released outside of the US

it a anti-american movie that should not be distributed outside of the US

Well... hold on now. Showing Bush in a negative light is not the same as being anti-American. When your country is being led by a man that you think is making a mockery of your country, showing the rest of the world how ridiculous that man is is the most patriotic thing you can do. Its Moore's way of saying, "See world? It isn't Americans who are so bad... it is just this guy."
Now you can disagree that Bush is the problem, or even A problem, but Moore saying that our leader (or even our country) is behaving wrongly is not a betrayal. Saying "My country, right or wrong" is like saying "my mother, drunk or sober." Just because you love a country doesn't mean you have to approve everything it does. Protest IS patriotic. Even on the international scene.

ok, fair enough. we are all entiltled to our own opinions. but i think realesing it outside of the US will just make anti-US sentiment worse and show the country in a bad light that some foreigners will be more than happy to accept

Honestly, I could care less what Moore thinks of Bush, everyone is entitled to their own stupid ass opinion of people. However, when he starts saying industry should be held captive to its workers, and that the second amendment doesn't really apply anymore, then I have issues with him.

Have all the issues you want. I encourage it. Free speech yada yada yada. You have certain opinions on issues, Michael Moore has different opinions. Great. But calling him Anti-American is a little unfair, I think. You may find him misguided, but will you concede that he does what he does out of a desire to make the country a better place (in his eyes, anyway)?


And Valia, you're probably right. This won't do anything to help America's popularity. But maybe we don't necessarily have popularity coming. I think you would see a sharp improvement in the US's popularity if we got Bush out of office. He is an international laughing stock. Or would be, if he wasn't so well armed. But that is just my opinion. I concede the point, to a point. The movie is unlikely to win us many fans. For now, I'm off to bed.

I think he's more of an opportunist than a humanitarian. He did release 9/11 in an election year. If he had waited til December, then I would think a little more of him.