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Are you voting? If so:
Which party will you vote for?
Any reasons for voting for them?

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It doesn't matter if you can actually vote, or you live in another country, this is not intended to be an accurate or scientific pole in anyway.

I'm Voting Conservative, I believe Canada needs a change in government.

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I think this belongs in the General Forum, but anyway.

I'm a big fan of the NDP. I love Jack Layton's ideas for a green and prosperous economy. I like his ideas on health care and education. I love how he'll revamp the tax system to make sure the rich pay their share.

Vote NDP and vote for a better Canada.

I'm voting MODALERT party....I mean pot party....that is I could vote yet.

I'm Voting Conservative, I believe Canada needs a change in government.
Canada has been strong, and vibrant over the past 11 years. Why do you want change?

I'm Voting Conservative, I believe Canada needs a change in government.
Canada has been strong, and vibrant over the past 11 years. Why do you want change?

Because we have been lied to, stolen from and overall used for the last 11 years. After 11 years of boondoggles and government waste, along with the virtual starvation of provinces by the Federal government; alot of people have had enough.

I'm voting for the Conservatives. I'm a CPC member, and part of my riding-associations executive, hence it wouldn't make sense for me not to vote for the candidate I support.

The Green Party and the Bloc Quebecois should also be on the pole in terms of fairness of representation.

Myself, I'm swaying between the Green and the NDP, though I'll probably end up voting Green. They're both fantastic parties, though, and I'd be tickled to have either of them in.

I am, however, going to rail quite firmly against the Liberals and the Conservatives. I've been wary of their policies for some time now, especially having been both a student and a patient during the Harris years. However, what truly cinched my undying opposition to them would be the Provicial candidate debate at the university a few months back. Their showing there was, to put it mildly, unimpressive.

The Liberal candidates were a little more palatable - they were only excessively patronising. The Tories bragged about the new horribly-expensive building on campus, whose payment has necessitated cutting several essential programs - and they made it very clear that not only did they not set foot inside, they didn't even know where or what it was. Both incessantly referred to the audience as 'Intellectual capital,' and often made references to the choice of 'three parties' we had before us. The poor NDP candidate was wearing himself hoarse leaning over and saying 'Four. There's four parties here. You see those two people over there with Green logos? They're from the Green Party. They're not there to refill your glass.'

Conservative or (possibly) Libertarian.

In my riding (Vancouver Centre) I think the NDPer stands the best chance of defeating the Conservative brownshirt - so the NDP's getting my vote this time. It's taken me awhile to reach this decision.

In my riding (Vancouver Centre) I think the NDPer stands the best chance of defeating the Conservative brownshirt - so the NDP's getting my vote this time. It's taken me awhile to reach this decision.
Tell us about this Conservative brownshirt. The Conservative candidate in your riding is Gary Mitchell.

Here's what CBC says about him:
He created his own entertainment marketing company, Gem Entertainment Inc., and masterminded The Great Canadian Karaoke Challenge, a country-wide event that benefited Easter Seals and CANFAR (Canadian Foundation for AIDS Research). Currently, he works full-time in the hospitality industry and provides entrepreneurial and communications counsel to both non-profit and private sector organizations.

He is also a homosexual.

Here's his webpage (http://www.gary4mp.com/).

Here is the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_shirt) on brownshirts, which should help you in your comparison.

Doesn't matter - he's still acting as one of Harper's stormtroopers even if he personally doesn't fit the profile. Conservatism is just evil - period. Hell, J.Edgar Hoover and Roy Cohn were gay and that didn't raise them above being subhuman.

Okay, maybe you could find some indication of Stephen Harper being similar to a brown shirt. Maybe you can dig up a photo of him with a nazi armband, or beating up a Jew, or smashing some glass or something.

Or maybe you should stop lying. :evil:

I don't really know much about either party. I picked Conservative because I wouldn't vote for Martin or Chretien, so I figured the rest of the liberals would be like them....

Martin saying he's gonna fix a bunch of crap now that he's PM, but it was him that made the mess in the first place.

Okay, maybe you could find some indication of Stephen Harper being similar to a brown shirt. Maybe you can dig up a photo of him with a nazi armband, or beating up a Jew, or smashing some glass or something.

Or maybe you should stop lying. :evil:

That Conservatism is a philosophical cousin of other more extreme forms of rightwing fascism is THE TRUTH. Dressing it up in suits & smiles doesn't hide that to those who've opened their eyes.

Okay, maybe you could find some indication of Stephen Harper being similar to a brown shirt. Maybe you can dig up a photo of him with a nazi armband, or beating up a Jew, or smashing some glass or something.

Or maybe you should stop lying. :evil:

That Conservatism is a philosophical cousin of other more extreme forms of rightwing fascism is THE TRUTH. Dressing it up in suits & smiles doesn't hide that to those who've opened their eyes.

I knew this Garaj Mahal was to good to be true. Stop hate speech and back up your claims. I saw no proof as to what you said. Provide facts and back it up for all of us to see.

That Conservatism is a philosophical cousin of other more extreme forms of rightwing fascism is THE TRUTH. Dressing it up in suits & smiles doesn't hide that to those who've opened their eyes.
So is every liberal a hardcore communist? No, even though Communism may be the philosphical cousin of liberalism.

I didn't really think any of them were really worth voting for. I just figured the Liberal party would sweep to power like they have for the past decade.

However, when I seen that it might possibly be a close election, I have decided to vote for the Liberal party as a strategic vote to stop the Conservatives. A party with no experience. Never been tested, ever! Don't forget this is a new party.. Do we really want to chance it? This isn't the old PC party..it's more like the Alliance who has never won a federal election. I'm not taking any chances. Liberals are getting my and my husband's vote.

I didn't really think any of them were really worth voting for. I just figured the Liberal party would sweep to power like they have for the past decade.

However, when I seen that it might possibly be a close election, I have decided to vote for the Liberal party as a strategic vote to stop the Conservatives. A party with no experience. Never been tested, ever! Don't forget this is a new party.. Do we really want to chance it? This isn't the old PC party..it's more like the Alliance who has never won a federal election. I'm not taking any chances. Liberals are getting my and my husband's vote.

Don't you think that they should be given a chance to prove themselves? They might surprise everyone and do a very good job if they come to power in Canada. Just because someone has full control for decades doesn't make them the proper party to vote for. I'm surprised at you Stephistan that you didn't know this before.

I didn't really think any of them were really worth voting for. I just figured the Liberal party would sweep to power like they have for the past decade.

However, when I seen that it might possibly be a close election, I have decided to vote for the Liberal party as a strategic vote to stop the Conservatives. A party with no experience. Never been tested, ever! Don't forget this is a new party.. Do we really want to chance it? This isn't the old PC party..it's more like the Alliance who has never won a federal election. I'm not taking any chances. Liberals are getting my and my husband's vote.

Don't you think that they should be given a chance to prove themselves? They might surprise everyone and do a very good job if they come to power in Canada. Just because someone has full control for decades doesn't make them the proper party to vote for. I'm surprised at you Stephistan that you didn't know this before.

I have been voting for over 15 years.. and I am a political science Ph.D student, I know just a little bit about politics. You don't elect an un-tested party, it's stupid. Further, the Alliance party which makes up most of the New Conservative party proved themselves to be a bunch of fanatics and religious zealots in the past. Lets not forget Stockwell Day here people. The guy who said if elected he wouldn't work on Sunday's.. same people.

The only choice is the Liberals. The NDP sure.. but they don't stand a chance of winning. They also have never won a federal election. So, the choices are slim, besides.. we can't blame Martin for what good old Jean did. Remember it was Martin that has given us balanced budgets for almost a decade now.

The choice as a tax payer in my mind is clear. The Liberals are the only real viable choice.

I didn't really think any of them were really worth voting for. I just figured the Liberal party would sweep to power like they have for the past decade.

However, when I seen that it might possibly be a close election, I have decided to vote for the Liberal party as a strategic vote to stop the Conservatives. A party with no experience. Never been tested, ever! Don't forget this is a new party.. Do we really want to chance it? This isn't the old PC party..it's more like the Alliance who has never won a federal election. I'm not taking any chances. Liberals are getting my and my husband's vote.

Don't you think that they should be given a chance to prove themselves? They might surprise everyone and do a very good job if they come to power in Canada. Just because someone has full control for decades doesn't make them the proper party to vote for. I'm surprised at you Stephistan that you didn't know this before.

I have been voting for over 15 years.. and I am a political science Ph.D student, I know just a little bit about politics. You don't elect an un-tested party, it's stupid. Further, the Alliance party which makes up most of the New Conservative party proved themselves to be a bunch of fanatics and religious zealots in the past. Lets not forget Stockwell Day here people. The guy who said if elected he wouldn't work on Sunday's.. same people.

The only choice is the Liberals. The NDP sure.. but they don't stand a chance of winning. They also have never won a federal election. So, the choices are slim, besides.. we can't blame Martin for what good old Jean did. Remember it was Martin that has given us balanced budgets for almost a decade now.

The choice as a tax payer in my mind is clear. The Liberals are the only real viable choice.

Well if you believe that then you should've studied when the republican party started. An untested party challenged the established party in the US and won elections. Later the Presidency. Abe Lincoln was the First Republican President. An untested party gets seats in Congress then wins the Presidency and he Led us through the Civil War. Sometimes, you have to look at an untested party and see what they can do. If you do have a PHD in this, they should've taught you that.

Yippeeee!!! The latest polls have just come out this morning and yessssss the Liberals have regained the lead. This is very welcome news. I hope that the numbers continue to climb for the Liberals.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1087902695383_9?hub=topstories

An Ipsos-Reid survey of 1,000 people conducted for CTV and The Globe and Mail finds the Liberals have surged ahead of the Conservatives in popular support, grabbing 34 per cent of decided voters. The Conservatives have slipped four points to 28 per cent.

The NDP is steady at 16 per cent support, and the Green Party has six per cent.

The biggest change is in Ontario where the Liberals are up eight points to 42 per cent, versus 30 per cent for the Conservatives, who are down eight points. The NDP is at 20 per cent and the Green Party at six per cent.

Despite the naysayers, the Liberals have done far more good than bad. The ledger is on the positive side, in more ways than one.

Yippeeee!!! The latest polls have just come out this morning and yessssss the Liberals have regained the lead. This is very welcome news. I hope that the numbers continue to climb for the Liberals.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1087902695383_9?hub=topstories

An Ipsos-Reid survey of 1,000 people conducted for CTV and The Globe and Mail finds the Liberals have surged ahead of the Conservatives in popular support, grabbing 34 per cent of decided voters. The Conservatives have slipped four points to 28 per cent.

The NDP is steady at 16 per cent support, and the Green Party has six per cent.

The biggest change is in Ontario where the Liberals are up eight points to 42 per cent, versus 30 per cent for the Conservatives, who are down eight points. The NDP is at 20 per cent and the Green Party at six per cent.

Despite the naysayers, the Liberals have done far more good than bad. The ledger is on the positive side, in more ways than one.

You do realize that the only poll that matters is on election day right? just because polls show one party in the lead doesn't mean they'll win. trust me on that. Half a dozen polls here have shown that one candidate was in the lead then the other followed by the original again. Don't trust polls till election day comes.

I voted Liberal in the advanced polls. Having lived thru several gov'ts, I can say I feel strongly that a gov't other than liberal will undo all the good that's been done. For those that have forgotten, the Liberals kept Canada together. Remember the referrendum? Think about it. It was close, we could've had a split country, literally. So instead of focusing on the negative things about the Liberals, let's focus on the positive. They've done more for equal rights, etc in this country than the Conservatives ever could. As for the NDP, let's put that in perspective. They believe in spending. Who pays for the spending? The tax payers. Regardless of how you look at it, we all will be spending money no matter what political party gets in. I'm for spending logically. The Liberals have kept us out of one war, they have made a point of getting the country to work together. To elect in the Conservatives is to follow the US agenda. Lovely people, our neighbours, but I don't care for their politics and outlooks. Also, the Conservatives are political right, meaning they do not care for the rights of minorities, nor that of the sexuality oriented. They will reverse the gay marriage agreement. The pot smoking laws are one of the most advanced in this world. For me, someone in constant pain, but not allowed this medicinal herb, I'm all for it. I'm tired of the small offender pot smoker being locked up while the bigger criminals get away. Before anyone hangs a label on me, let me clarify. I'm a military wife, in my 40's with one kid. I've lived on the other side of the world, I'm well versed in politics, and I'm tired of people harping about what's wrong with our country. There's a lot more good going on here than wrong. Step outside our borders and take a real look around. Have a good day, and please do vote.

Firstly, I am a member of the Conservative Party and am the youth director for my riding. The support I have seen personally has been really reassuring. When the future PM Harper was in town the support at the rally was spectacular. Those who criticize the conservative philosophy in an attempt to paint it as something which it is not are simply out of touch with reality.

I along with most of those I know am sick of the "Fiberals". It boggles my mind that anyone is their right mind could vote for a party which has wasted so much of our money.

WHAT LIBERALS DO:

$ 100 000 000 Martin's Sponsorship Scandal
$ 2 000 000 000 Gun Registry Scandal
$ 25 000 000 000 Healthcare Funding Cuts

WHAT THE CONSERVATIVES WILL DO:

- Lower Taxes
the "Fiberals” are collecting $1500 more for every Canadian that they did when they were first elected. Where is this money going? The "Fiberal" government has wasted much of it.

- Support the Military
The Canadian armed forces was sent to Afghanistan with green uniforms. Not good when your operating in the dessert... The "Fiberals" are putting our soldiers needlessly at risk with their cuts. Those who put their lives on the line for us disserve better.

- Investing in Infrastructure
Roads and infrastructure as crumbled across the nation. The new conservative government will redirect federal gas taxes into rebuilding infrastructure.

- Education
The new conservative government will fight for students. The conservative party believes that all students disserve access to higher education.

- Marriage
The new conservative government will make sure parliament decides on what marriage should be not a group of liberal judges in the courts who do not reflect the interests of Canadians.

- Immigration
The new conservative government will fight for new Canadians. The conservatives will ensure foreign credentials are recognized faster.

- Protecting Children
The "Fiberals" have taken a soft stance on child pornography. The new conservative party will not tolerate child pornography and will adopt a zero tolerance policy.

-American Relations
The "Fiberals" have put Canada at odds with our closest friends and neighbours to the south. The new conservative party will stand with the US like we have done previously in our history. Yet, the new government will also have the ability to be firm in representing the interests of Canada.


We need change. I don’t know about you but I am tired of the lies. The "Fiberals" have had 11 years of deceiving Canadians. It's time to put our foot down. We need a responsible conservative government, we need to demand better, we need a Conservative government!


On June 28th lets shake things up in Ottawa and put an end to Liberal arrogance!

I do realize there are a lot of kids on these forums. I will take that into consideration, however, for those of us who are old enough to remember the last conservative government that lead this country almost destroyed it. I realize this was over a decade ago so some may not recall it.

Just because the Conservatives are making these promises.. they have no way of knowing if they can keep them. As any one knows, an non-sitting government can't know for sure. The Conservatives will spend all of our surplus with these "promises" That's not responsible government.

Also, don't forget, the Liberal party are centrists, not liberals. Do we want to go far left or far right? No, I think not.. to be truly representative of the people, you have to be some where in the center. No one but the Liberal party is offering this.

I have been voting for over 15 years.. and I am a political science Ph.D student, I know just a little bit about politics. You don't elect an un-tested party, it's stupid.
This is the sort of thinking that Ph.D students have?!?
Geez, why don't we just abolish all parties but the Liberals then?

The Conservatives will spend all of our surplus with these "promises". That's not responsible government.
It's not a lunchbox either. You're a Ph.D student, so you know that "responsible government" has a specific meaning in Canadian politics.

I do realize there are a lot of kids on these forums. I will take that into consideration, however, for those of us who are old enough to remember the last conservative government that lead this country almost destroyed it. I realize this was over a decade ago so some may not recall it.

Just because the Conservatives are making these promises.. they have no way of knowing if they can keep them. As any one knows, an non-sitting government can't know for sure. The Conservatives will spend all of our surplus with these "promises" That's not responsible government.

Also, don't forget, the Liberal party are centrists, not liberals. Do we want to go far left or far right? No, I think not.. to be truly representative of the people, you have to be some where in the center. No one but the Liberal party is offering this.

Stephistand you seem to forget then the Liberal government of Pierre Eliot Trudeau. Although he was politically savvy he also led this country into debt through his horrid economic plans. He also antagonized the West through his energy program. Thus encroaching on the territory and jurisdiction of the provinces (specifically Albertans were irritated).

Another point here is that linking the previous Tories and the present Conservatives is ludicrous. Not the same party, and not the same people. It would be like comparing the Liberals of Trudeau to those of Chretien or Martin. Not the same thing although much more similar.

The surplus is NOT the government's money, it belongs to the people and specifically to taxpayers. Its our money being hoarded by the Federal government, and the money should be redistributed to wherever it is needed. The Conservative promises are mostly very limited, small in nature or basic principles. Unlike the Liberals we do not make many monetary promises, because we need to find out by how much and how have the books been "cooked".

The Liberals lean towards the left. The Liberals don't represent me and don't seem to represent about 30% of the population. Calling them Centrist is a poor reason to vote for them.

I have been voting for over 15 years.. and I am a political science Ph.D student, I know just a little bit about politics. You don't elect an un-tested party, it's stupid.
This is the sort of thinking that Ph.D students have?!?
Geez, why don't we just abolish all parties but the Liberals then?

The Conservatives will spend all of our surplus with these "promises". That's not responsible government.
It's not a lunchbox either. You're a Ph.D student, so you know that "responsible government" has a specific meaning in Canadian politics.

Nice post Stirner. Electing an untested party isn't stupid. We did when the populace was mad at the established party and gave the Republicans a chance. Our nation made it through it just fine and now we still have the Republican party and a Democrat party. I'm sure that the Green Party will be up and coming and we'll give them a chance too once they get there foot through the door.

Yippeeee!!! The latest polls have just come out this morning and yessssss the Liberals have regained the lead. This is very welcome news. I hope that the numbers continue to climb for the Liberals.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1087902695383_9?hub=topstories

An Ipsos-Reid survey of 1,000 people conducted for CTV and The Globe and Mail finds the Liberals have surged ahead of the Conservatives in popular support, grabbing 34 per cent of decided voters. The Conservatives have slipped four points to 28 per cent.

The NDP is steady at 16 per cent support, and the Green Party has six per cent.

The biggest change is in Ontario where the Liberals are up eight points to 42 per cent, versus 30 per cent for the Conservatives, who are down eight points. The NDP is at 20 per cent and the Green Party at six per cent.

Despite the naysayers, the Liberals have done far more good than bad. The ledger is on the positive side, in more ways than one.

You do realize that the only poll that matters is on election day right? just because polls show one party in the lead doesn't mean they'll win. trust me on that. Half a dozen polls here have shown that one candidate was in the lead then the other followed by the original again. Don't trust polls till election day comes.
I do find it interesting that someone who is not old enough to vote yet is saying “trust me”, to a veteran voter such as myself. You do realize that I have been through many election campaigns and have watched the volatility of public opinion polls rise and fall with each misstep of the various candidates, so it is nothing new to me.

However, having said that, I am somewhat encouraged by the polls that were released today, during this last week of campaigning. Seeing the Liberals shoot up dramatically in Ontario, is the first positive swing in over a month. It tells me that the voters of Ontario are not buying Harper’s message, at least today they are not and I think that bodes well for Canada.

Despite, all the rhetoric, Canada has fared very well with the Federal Liberals. One only needs to check out the following statistics to see the difference this government has made compared to the debt riddled mess the last Conservatives left us.

http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/aia/docs/PressRoom/Speeches/20031205TorontoTableaux_e.pdf

These all point to a strong vibrant economy, a reduced national debt, increased transfers to the Provinces, and 6 straight years of annual surpluses.

The last year the Conservatives were in power, in 1993, the annual deficit was $42 Billion, and the national debt doubled. Unemployment was over 11%, and inflation was out of control. Why would we as Canadians want to take a chance on a NEW Conservative party, that changes its’ name (Reform/Alliance/Conservative Party of Canada) every few years?

Stick with the Liberals, and keep Canada strong!!

Yippeeee!!! The latest polls have just come out this morning and yessssss the Liberals have regained the lead. This is very welcome news. I hope that the numbers continue to climb for the Liberals.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1087902695383_9?hub=topstories

An Ipsos-Reid survey of 1,000 people conducted for CTV and The Globe and Mail finds the Liberals have surged ahead of the Conservatives in popular support, grabbing 34 per cent of decided voters. The Conservatives have slipped four points to 28 per cent.

The NDP is steady at 16 per cent support, and the Green Party has six per cent.

The biggest change is in Ontario where the Liberals are up eight points to 42 per cent, versus 30 per cent for the Conservatives, who are down eight points. The NDP is at 20 per cent and the Green Party at six per cent.

Despite the naysayers, the Liberals have done far more good than bad. The ledger is on the positive side, in more ways than one.

You do realize that the only poll that matters is on election day right? just because polls show one party in the lead doesn't mean they'll win. trust me on that. Half a dozen polls here have shown that one candidate was in the lead then the other followed by the original again. Don't trust polls till election day comes.
I do find it interesting that someone who is not old enough to vote yet is saying “trust me”, to a veteran voter such as myself. You do realize that I have been through many election campaigns and have watched the volatility of public opinion polls rise and fall with each misstep of the various candidates, so it is nothing new to me.

However, having said that, I am somewhat encouraged by the polls that were released today, during this last week of campaigning. Seeing the Liberals shoot up dramatically in Ontario, is the first positive swing in over a month. It tells me that the voters of Ontario are not buying Harper’s message, at least today they are not and I think that bodes well for Canada.

Despite, all the rhetoric, Canada has fared very well with the Federal Liberals. One only needs to check out the following statistics to see the difference this government has made compared to the debt riddled mess the last Conservatives left us.

http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/aia/docs/PressRoom/Speeches/20031205TorontoTableaux_e.pdf

These all point to a strong vibrant economy, a reduced national debt, increased transfers to the Provinces, and 6 straight years of annual surpluses.

The last year the Conservatives were in power, in 1993, the annual deficit was $42 Billion, and the national debt doubled. Unemployment was over 11%, and inflation was out of control. Why would we as Canadians want to take a chance on a NEW Conservative party, that changes its’ name (Reform/Alliance/Conservative Party of Canada) every few years?

Stick with the Liberals, and keep Canada strong!!

Amen to that! I think though to be fair most of these detractors are kids.. and young adults. You, like I, are not, we are as you put it veteran voters and understand it's not as simple as an election promise.

You always say what I'm thinking so much better then I could..lol Well, in text any way. ;)

ever thought that these young adults in your country see things that you do not? Maybe they want a change in government to see if the other side can do what they promised to do. Sometimes its necessary to vote in the otherside and see what they can do

That is my opinion of course.

The Liberal promises all sound good on paper, but when push comes to shove, the money that was supposed to be going towards social programs goes towards scandal. I wouldn't trust Paul Martin as far as I can throw him--and my athletic abilities are about as good as Pinnochio's lying skills.

Vote for a party who will actually keep their promises--vote NDP!

Obviously the Canadian Conservatives are not "as bad" as fascists/nazis, but they are politically related due to being on the rightwing side of the spectrum.

All rightwing philosophies exploit & promote the worst hierarchical tendencies of human nature. Nazis/fascists openly endorse xenophobia, racism & homophobia. Of course modern social Conservatives may be much less open about it, but some adherents sometimes do *flirt* with these ideas nonetheless. It's easy to find quotes from various Reform/Alliance/CPC candidates and their supporters to back this up. One CPC candidate in Saskatoon has spoken of how he's "Sick and tired of Indians"!

Fiscal Conservatives/Libertarians may not share the all the ideas of Social Conservatives, but there is some overlap. In their case, they believe in a different kind of hierarchical discrimination and social Darwinism:

"Successful people" vs "non-successful people". The fiscal Conservatives don't want to pay their fair share of taxes. They say, "I am a Successful person, so why should I have to share with Un-successful people? Why should I contribute money to maintain & improve society?" They believe that "successful people" are better and different than "un-successful" ones, and that the latter should just be left to be victims of the Darwinist law-of- the-jungle. This again is a viewpoint that appeals to the selfish & bad side of human nature and is one most rightwingers are comfortable with, including extreme ones like nazis.

To most Canadians' credit, they are not true Conservatives - they don't believe in the ideas expressed above. But too many Canadians are naive about Conservatism and don't recognize what an ugly & dangerous philosophy it is. Many Canadians are willing to take a chance on the CPC just to spank The Liberals and just to "try out something new". This is unwise and shortsighted in the extreme.

I take solace in the fact that should the CPC squeak into power next week, they will not not be re-elected in 2008 because most Canadians will realize what a huge mistake they made. Sadly, it will be a very expensive & painful lesson.

ever thought that these young adults in your country see things that you do not? Maybe they want a change in government to see if the other side can do what they promised to do. Sometimes its necessary to vote in the otherside and see what they can do

That is my opinion of course.
Well let me see, my oldest son will be voting in this election and we discuss politics quite often, so I get to see things from the young adults as well.

I know one thing for sure, and that is he is dead set against the Conservatives.

When it comes to politics, why would I vote in the other side to see what they can do, just to see what they can do? I know what the Liberals stand for in this country, and the Conservatives are diametrically opposite.

The Liberal promises all sound good on paper, but when push comes to shove, the money that was supposed to be going towards social programs goes towards scandal. I wouldn't trust Paul Martin as far as I can throw him--and my athletic abilities are about as good as Pinnochio's lying skills.

Vote for a party who will actually keep their promises--vote NDP!

I did give the NDP a serious look for the first time in my life this time around. I have to say it sounded good. Two factors were at play for me though.

A)I live in Ottawa, the nations capital, thus live in Ontario and visions of Bob Rae are still in my head *shutters*

B) I wrote my Master thesis on globalization. The NDP seem to be stuck in the 70's and don't take into account the global economy we live in. I studied globalization at great lengths obviously to have received my Masters in poli-sci on the subject. The NDP don't seem to agree with essential trade agreements and I see that as problematic.

However, in a perfect world, I agree with most of what they say. My vote is one that will be of a strategic nature to stop the Conservatives.

The Liberal promises all sound good on paper, but when push comes to shove, the money that was supposed to be going towards social programs goes towards scandal. I wouldn't trust Paul Martin as far as I can throw him--and my athletic abilities are about as good as Pinnochio's lying skills.

Vote for a party who will actually keep their promises--vote NDP!
You know that the NDP are not too bad, I have even worked for them. I helped campaign for Stephen Lewis when he ended up as official opposition leader. He was a good man and very smart too. However, I do remember getting burnt by Bob Rae, and that kind of soured me on the NDP. However, that is Provincial politics.

Federally, I support the good work of the Liberals. If the people of Canada want a two-tiered health care system then all they need to do is vote Conservative, but beware:

http://consumeraffairs.com/news03/health_costs.html

The overhead cost of operating the United States health-care system is more than three times that of running Canada's on a per capita basis, and the gap is getting bigger, according to a study published today in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Savings gleaned from a national health insurance system like Canada's would be enough to provide medical insurance for the 41 million Americans who now lack coverage, the researchers said.

The study puts the administrative cost of the U.S. system at $294 billion per year, compared to about $9.4 billion in Canada. That translates to a per-person cost of $1,059 in the U.S. and $307 in Canada. A similar study, conducted in 1991, put per-capita costs in the U.S. at $450 and Canadian costs at one-third of that.

Do we really want a made in USA health care system?

I live in Ottawa, the nations capital, thus live in Ontario and visions of Bob Rae are still in my head *shutters*

But which visions give you the *worst* shudders - Bob Rae or Harris-Eaves?

I do realize there are a lot of kids on these forums. I will take that into consideration, however, for those of us who are old enough to remember the last conservative government that lead this country almost destroyed it. I realize this was over a decade ago so some may not recall it.

Just because the Conservatives are making these promises.. they have no way of knowing if they can keep them. As any one knows, an non-sitting government can't know for sure. The Conservatives will spend all of our surplus with these "promises" That's not responsible government.

Also, don't forget, the Liberal party are centrists, not liberals. Do we want to go far left or far right? No, I think not.. to be truly representative of the people, you have to be some where in the center. No one but the Liberal party is offering this.

Stephistand you seem to forget then the Liberal government of Pierre Eliot Trudeau. Although he was politically savvy he also led this country into debt through his horrid economic plans. He also antagonized the West through his energy program. Thus encroaching on the territory and jurisdiction of the provinces (specifically Albertans were irritated).

Another point here is that linking the previous Tories and the present Conservatives is ludicrous. Not the same party, and not the same people. It would be like comparing the Liberals of Trudeau to those of Chretien or Martin. Not the same thing although much more similar.

The surplus is NOT the government's money, it belongs to the people and specifically to taxpayers. Its our money being hoarded by the Federal government, and the money should be redistributed to wherever it is needed. The Conservative promises are mostly very limited, small in nature or basic principles. Unlike the Liberals we do not make many monetary promises, because we need to find out by how much and how have the books been "cooked".

The Liberals lean towards the left. The Liberals don't represent me and don't seem to represent about 30% of the population. Calling them Centrist is a poor reason to vote for them.
The last thime the Conservatives were "united", in Canada, the debt soared, as did unemployment (over 11%). Taxes were raised, tax deductions were cut or eliminated, and the "sacred trusts" that Mulroney said he would never touch, such as family allowance, and old age security....well guess what....they were touched...big time.

Also under the last "united" Conservative party, deficit spending became the norm (over $42 Billion at one point). Remember Michael (I will balance the books) Wilson? Someone had to get Canada's financial house in order and it took a Chretien Liberal government, with Paul Martin as the Finance Minister to do that. So when Paul Martin says that we cannot afford the Conservative campaign promises, I believe him.

Lastly, under the last "united" Conservative party, they fragmented badly. Lucien Bouchard pulled up stakes, moved across the Commons floor and formed the Bloc Quebecquois. As if that wasn't bad enough, the western arm of the party, split with the Conservatives and formed the Reform Party, who later became the Alliance Party, who just became the Conservative Party of Canada, through a shady betrayal of David Orchard I might add.

While the Liberals have had their squabbles over the years, at least they remain united, and committed to keeping Canada the best country in the world....IMHO.

The last thime the Conservatives were "united", in Canada, the debt soared, as did unemployment (over 11%). Taxes were raised, tax deductions were cut or eliminated, and the "sacred trusts" that Mulroney said he would never touch, such as family allowance, and old age security....well guess what....they were touched...big time.

Also under the last "united" Conservative party, deficit spending became the norm (over $42 Billion at one point). Remember Michael (I will balance the books) Wilson? Someone had to get Canada's financial house in order and it took a Chretien Liberal government, with Paul Martin as the Finance Minister to do that. So when Paul Martin says that we cannot afford the Conservative campaign promises, I believe him.

Lastly, under the last "united" Conservative party, they fragmented badly. Lucien Bouchard pulled up stakes, moved across the Commons floor and formed the Bloc Quebecquois. As if that wasn't bad enough, the western arm of the party, split with the Conservatives and formed the Reform Party, who later became the Alliance Party, who just became the Conservative Party of Canada, through a shady betrayal of David Orchard I might add.

While the Liberals have had their squabbles over the years, at least they remain united, and committed to keeping Canada the best country in the world....IMHO.

The whole notion of "united" is misleading. The party didn't split after Mulroney, it was crushed when Kim Campbell led them into the election and somewhat rebuilt under Jean Charest. The New CPC has pretty much nothing to do with the old.

Mulroney made mistakes. Alot of them. But so has Trudeau, Chretien and Martin since then. Mistakes of the past by DIFFERENT politiciens have no bearings on our policies.

Martin says we can't afford the CPC promises, yet doesn't explain how he brought the budget under control. He doesn't explain why the provinces are starved for cash, he can't explain why so much money has been stolen by private firms loyal to the Liberals and he can't explain why he hand-cuffed the provinces into healthcare deals in order to centralize power over healthcare.

Lucien Bouchard split over Meech Lake, he split over what Trudeau had STARTED. Without getting the consent of Quebec to the 1982 constitution. The Liberals started this mess and they nearly cost us our country in 1995. Blame lies solely with the Liberals, if you were from Quebec you'd understand the source of the irritation much better. Chretien only worsened the situation leading up to the 1995 Referendum. The new CPC was formed from the old CA and PC parties. Whatever was done to achieve it is now gone. Orchard was a fool for having trusted McKay, he also didn't belong to the party. You want to chat about backstabbing and dirty tricks? What about Martin pushing aside Allan Rock, Sheila Copps and a number of other loyal Chretienites in the most ugly fashion. He kicked and kicked until he got the PM job, when it comes to dirty tricks Martin is way ahead of anyone on the political scene.

United? I don't see unity within the party. I see the Chretien and Martin loyalists still going at it. Nothing has changed with the Liberals, they became crooked in the 1990's and still are. Another term will simply allow them to continue.

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Just a friendly reminder to everybody:

Tomorrow, do the most patriotic and thoughtful thing you can possibly do for Canada: STOP STEPHEN HARPER!!!

Just a friendly reminder to everybody:

Tomorrow, do the most patriotic and thoughtful thing you can possibly do for Canada: STOP STEPHEN HARPER!!!

Another useless post.

The most patriotic thing you can do tomorrow is go vote. For anyone that you believe in, just vote, and let's get that voter turnout to over 80% again.