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Some years ago there was a case near here where a large group of teens held a party at a parents' house while they were away. As had been requested by the vacationing homeowner, one of the neighbour parents dropped in to check that everything was OK. He ended up getting beaten to death.

It took 5 years for the case to go to trial because not one of the teens at the party would co-operate in the investigation. Even though the victim was well-liked in the neighbourhood - even by many at the party - nobody cared that he ever received justice.

I still can't believe that every one of these teens could be so uncaring and so wimpy as to not help with the investigation. It's not like the attackers were major gang members either; they were just small-town football jocks.

In my own case, YES I would help jail someone I knew - even a family member - if they were a murderer, a rapist, an arsonist, a child molester - or even a scam artist milking old people out of their life savings.

I would not directly report someone I knew for misdemeanors like shoplifting or car theft. But I wouldn't lie to protect them either, if it came to that.

Would you report someone to Al Qaeda? No. The government is a terrorist organization.

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Would you report someone to Al Qaeda? No. The government is a terrorist organization.

So to support your principals of anarcho-communism, you'd let some neighbourhood murderers get away with their crime? That sounds immature and doctrinaire.

Would you report someone to Al Qaeda? No. The government is a terrorist organization.
That's right! You should shoot him yourself. Like in Of Mice and Men.

Would you report someone to Al Qaeda? No. The government is a terrorist organization.
That's right! You should shoot him yourself. Like in Of Mice and Men.

Yeehaw! Rightwing vigilante justice rides into town.

That's right! You should shoot him yourself. Like in Of Mice and Men.

Actually, if your friend is planning on killing someone and you don't have any idea that he's crazy enough to do so, you must not know him very well.

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Would you report someone to Al Qaeda? No. The government is a terrorist organization.

So to support your principals of anarcho-communism, you'd let some neighbourhood murderers get away with their crime? That sounds immature and doctrinaire.

yes, i would report a family member, though i would never have to turn in my parents (since they would confess on their own), and i would have a very hard time turning in my little brother, knowing what i know about the prison system.

blood isn't a significant tie to me, it's the experience. my parents don't matter to me because we are genetically related but because of the care they have given me and the history and friendship we share. i don't care in the slightest about many of my blood relatives, because i don't know them; they are strangers to me, and just happen to share some biological connection. i would turn in a cousin faster than a friend, since the friend is somebody i chose to care about because they earned it.

anyone who would turn in a family member is an extreme worm with sub human values

Would you report someone to Al Qaeda? No. The government is a terrorist organization.


THis is comedic relief from the normal leftist crap spewed here, right?

I've reported friends and family. Shoplifting, drug dealing, burgulary, credit card fraud... too bad my older brother is getting out of jail soon.

THis is comedic relief from the normal leftist crap spewed here, right?

The government is based on violence. It uses armed officials to enforce its will, it starts wars, and even used nuclear weapons. Given that it's killed more civilians than Al Qaeda, I'd say it's a terrorist organization.

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THis is comedic relief from the normal leftist crap spewed here, right?

The government is based on violence. It uses armed officials to enforce its will, it starts wars, and even used nuclear weapons. Given that it's killed more civilians than Al Qaeda, I'd say it's a terrorist organization.

Thanks for the confirmation that your are just being a funny guy.

anyone who would turn in a family member is an extreme worm with sub human values

OK, lets say that you discover your brother or father owns a house where kidnapped children are held captive, sold for sex, then murdered. Would you be morally superior for not reporting this family member in a case like this - who would be the worm then?

Would you report someone to Al Qaeda? No. The government is a terrorist organization.


THis is comedic relief from the normal leftist crap spewed here, right?

He is not leftist.

No state is hardly a left wing viewpoint ;)

I picked the one regarding violent or deadly action. I wouldn't turn in a family member for shoplifting, though I would encourage them to seek help. Also, I would hope that if I chose to (say) smoke weed or engage in another victimless crime, no family member of mine would find that worthy of a police report.

On the other hand, if I knew for certain that one of my family members had murdered someone or otherwise committed significant harm (rape, torture, etc), I would turn them in. I would regret the necessity, but I would do so.

He is not leftist.

No state is hardly a left wing viewpoint

Given the violent and authoritarian nature of rightism, I'd argue that no state is a left wing view point.

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He is not leftist.

No state is hardly a left wing viewpoint

Given the violent and authoritarian nature of rightism, I'd argue that no state is a left wing view point.
Or we can agree that both "left" and "right" can be authoritarian, or can be libertarian. And then we can entertain ourselves with graphs describing this. ;)

Or we can agree that both "left" and "right" can be authoritarian, or can be libertarian. And then we can entertain ourselves with graphs describing this.

While the graph is useful for modeling politics, it is just a model. In practice, "libertarian" capitalism and authoritarian "socialism" merge into the same thing, a form of authoritarian capitalist, otherwise known as fascism.

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Letila, you still seem afraid to answer my question whether a person's political dogma should over-ride basic human morality such as preventing a neighbourhood murder from repeating his crimes.

Letila, you still seem afraid to answer my question whether a person's political dogma should over-ride basic human morality such as preventing a neighbourhood murder from repeating his crimes.

I've reported friends and family. Shoplifting, drug dealing, burgulary, credit card fraud... too bad my older brother is getting out of jail soon.you have the values of a pig

anyone who would turn in a family member is an extreme worm with sub human values

OK, lets say that you discover your brother or father owns a house where kidnapped children are held captive, sold for sex, then murdered. Would you be morally superior for not reporting this family member in a case like this - who would be the worm then?take matters into your own hands--theres no reason to go running to govt jackboots like a ninny

Definately my first option would be to try to get them to confess themselves. I think that thats far better both for me and for them if they do so. I would find it difficult to shop anyone for a drug related crime, the possible exception being if it were a friend/relative who was pregnant and putting the child at risk by doing so, or any other circumstance where someone else was being hurt by their actions. For drug dealing, again, possibly (probably?), but I'd be in conflict because I don't actually agree with the laws about drugs, but other people could get hurt because of my friends actions. For a financial wrong such as theft, fraud etc I would encourage them to come clean, but probably more for my conscience and theirs than for the victims.

For rape, or murder/violence against someone who didn't deserve it, absolutely, with barely a second thought. For reasons of self defence which I had no doubt about but that might not hold up in court, I'd have to weigh it up. For violence or murder against someone who did deserve it, I might not, as there are situations where vigilante justice is not an absolute wrong, and I could see the other side of it (I have people who I care deeply about and if anyone hurt them I would certainly try to extract vengance, it would be wrong of me not to see that others might need to do the same)

There are other issues about if talking to the police would prevent a crime rather than merely punish someone for it where I would be more likely to go to the police.

anyone who would turn in a family member is an extreme worm with sub human values

OK, lets say that you discover your brother or father owns a house where kidnapped children are held captive, sold for sex, then murdered. Would you be morally superior for not reporting this family member in a case like this - who would be the worm then?take matters into your own hands--theres no reason to go running to govt jackboots like a ninny

Boy do you have a lot of growing up to do...

anyone who would turn in a family member is an extreme worm with sub human values

OK, lets say that you discover your brother or father owns a house where kidnapped children are held captive, sold for sex, then murdered. Would you be morally superior for not reporting this family member in a case like this - who would be the worm then?take matters into your own hands--theres no reason to go running to govt jackboots like a ninny

Boy do you have a lot of growing up to do...cops are pigs

Never, under any circumstances, would I tell on a relative or friend, even if that meant incarceration for myself as well.

I would not support someone if they were commiting acts of guerrilla action against America or it's allies.

Any civil crime I would report.


You play, you pay, you bastard.

I don't think I'd loose any sleep over reporting most of my family members for a serious crime, But a true friend is a different matter. I have lots of 'friends' but only a couple of true friends.

In case your wondering what the difference is, a friend will help you move, a true friend will help you move a body. I'd buy a bag of lime for a couple of my true friends. These are people I know well enough and trust enough to believe that if they did something that ever required that bag of lime, I'd have done the same in their shoes.

Mmmm...limes. :P

I'd turn them in in a heartbeat, but only if I thought what they did was worth being turned in for... (violent crimes, mostly)

cops are pigs

When you need a cop to help you little boy (and trust me one day you will), the only one squealing will be you.

Whos death would I be preventing?

You know what the worst thing about this is, I'm not joking when I say that I'd send my best friend (Who I am closer to than I am to most family members) to the figurative chair for a high enough reward.

I've reported friends and family. Shoplifting, drug dealing, burgulary, credit card fraud... too bad my older brother is getting out of jail soon.
Wow, that's pretty fucking low of you. What exactly did your brother do? I can see reporting a friend or family member for serial murder or some such, but for minor crimes, it's absolutely repugnant.

Reporting your friends is a good way to get yourself killed, depending on what kinds of friends you have.

I've reported friends and family. Shoplifting, drug dealing, burgulary, credit card fraud... too bad my older brother is getting out of jail soon.
Wow, that's pretty f--- low of you. What exactly did your brother do? I can see reporting a friend or family member for serial murder or some such, but for minor crimes, it's absolutely repugnant.I hope her brother beats her when he gets out

I've reported friends and family. Shoplifting, drug dealing, burgulary, credit card fraud... too bad my older brother is getting out of jail soon.
Wow, that's pretty f--- low of you. What exactly did your brother do? I can see reporting a friend or family member for serial murder or some such, but for minor crimes, it's absolutely repugnant.I hope her brother beats her when he gets out

wow, you are definitely not in any position to call other people pigs.

dp

As much as I love both my brothers, were they to commit a robbery, or an assault, or a murder..whatever....our father brought us up to take our lickings for committing wrongs...I would hope they would learn from their poor lack of judgement and so yes..I would turn them in...

I personally would never dob on anybody.

I personally would never dob on anybody.

And if they did something to a member of your family?...were a pedophile..what then?...Could you look into the eyes of the next door neighbors parents and tell them you didn't know who molested their little girl?

I personally would never dob on anybody.

And if they did something to a member of your family?...were a pedophile..what then?...Could you look into the eyes of the next door neighbors parents and tell them you didn't know who molested their little girl?

that would be a judgement call i'd most likely cut their balls off

If I was ready to report some one to the police ( a family member or friend) I would do something about it myself first. The only thing i can really think of that would warrent this is the child molestations scenario. Random murder like for money or something isnt nearly as bad .

I have to say, I have a brother who is an alcoholic. I know he drives drunk. There are times when I've been tempted to report him simply because it would be an intervention. There's a chance that when it got to court, the judge would sentence him to mandatory rehab.

He doesn't seem to believe he should be in treatment, but maybe it would help.

Otherwise, if he committed some kind of crime like robbing a house, or killing someone, then yes, I'd report him. I've told him as much. He, and everyone else has to face the music, be accountable for their actions.

It's called responsibility. I love my brother, and I love my family, but I can't turn a blind eye to something when I know it's wrong.

I know your dilemma. My father is 86 years old and refuses to give up driving his car even though he keeps having close calls & scrapes. I'm deathly afraid that he's going to get into an accident that would kill him, my mother or innocent bystanders. I partly feel I might be saving lives if I reported him as an unfit driver, but also know he'd view it as an unforgiveable betrayal.

Is doing the honourable thing more important than saving lives?

I know your dilemma. My father is 86 years old and refuses to give up driving his car even though he keeps having close calls & scrapes. I'm deathly afraid that he's going to get into an accident that would kill him, my mother or innocent bystanders. I partly feel I might be saving lives if I reported him as an unfit driver, but also know he'd view it as an unforgiveable betrayal.

Is doing the honourable thing more important than saving lives?A dilemma of duty. Its worth remembering that saving lives is an honourable thing though.

It would suck, but I chose that I'd report it if it were a violent crime or murder, something terrible. Of course, then you start drawing lines, and who is really to decide what's "terrible" or not?

A tough question...

I could never report any of my family or friends...it goes against my upbringing - you don't tout and you don't tell the police anything.

I personally would never dob on anybody.Well... thats, erm, interesting, but we were talking about reporting people for breaking the law.
J/k

I personally would never dob on anybody.Well... thats, erm, interesting, but we were talking about reporting people for breaking the law.
J/kbut turning in a family member breaks moral laws

never...unless it was a serious sex crime

If it was murder...I would consider the circumstances before making a judgement

I suppose it also depends on how close you are to the relative involved :?

I've reported friends and family. Shoplifting, drug dealing, burgulary, credit card fraud... too bad my older brother is getting out of jail soon.
Wow, that's pretty f--- low of you. What exactly did your brother do? I can see reporting a friend or family member for serial murder or some such, but for minor crimes, it's absolutely repugnant.I hope her brother beats her when he gets out
... We don't know exactly what her brother did, so at this time it would be rather rash to make such a judgement. If he stole a pen from a store and she reported him for that, well, you might have a point. If he sold his children to a Moroccan slave trader, well..

I've reported friends and family. Shoplifting, drug dealing, burgulary, credit card fraud... too bad my older brother is getting out of jail soon.

I'm going to assume you're in the witness protection program right now? If not, may I suggest it... :lol:

MKULTRA makes no distinction between reporting a family member for stealing a pen or for being a serial killer. He would never report a family member for doing either of those things, because to him both crimes are of equal seriousness. His "anti-pig" philosophy means he'd rather see innocent people die than have anything to do with police.

I personally would never dob on anybody.Well... thats, erm, interesting, but we were talking about reporting people for breaking the law.
J/kbut turning in a family member breaks moral laws

there's no such thing.

I would see it as more moral to spare the lives of whoever my brother might kill driving drunk, and to save him the guilt of having done it. If I could prevent a greater tragedy by making the attempt to stop it while it is confined to one man's alcoholism, then yes, I'd have to report him. Perhaps he'd even eventually come to understand that I was doing it to try to help him.

I believe in accountability, and I think it's one of the most important steps toward living life as an adult.

TRA, heres a nice quote for you.. think about it when talking about family and moral values

If you wasn't blood, would you still have love? Or in fact, does the blood make you think that you have to love?

TRA, heres a nice quote for you.. think about it when talking about family and moral values

If you wasn't blood, would you still have love? Or in fact, does the blood make you think that you have to love?well theres a cousin that I have that a definately hate and id prly turn him in if there was a reward

TRA, heres a nice quote for you.. think about it when talking about family and moral values

If you wasn't blood, would you still have love? Or in fact, does the blood make you think that you have to love?well theres a cousin that I have that a definately hate and id prly turn him in if there was a reward

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anyone who rats someone out is a scum

Haven't you repeated this very same thing like, 6 times? Yet you don't directly answer any questions about why "family loyalty" is an even more important thing than turning in, say, a child killer or serial rapist would be.

Why do you feel the need to consistently bump dead threads?

Why do you feel the need to consistently bump dead threads?

They're more than threads, they're polls. No one has yet given me a good reason why an interesting poll shouldn't be brought back regularly. Why is it a problem for you anyway? Just ignore it if you're not interested.

Haven't you repeated this very same thing like, 6 times? Yet you don't directly answer any questions about why "family loyalty" is an even more important thing than turning in, say, a child killer or serial rapist would be.theres other ways to deal with it other then beung a rat