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World news networks are reporting that an arab news station has received a note with a video showing the execution and beheading of American Paul Johnson. The note warned more Americans will suffer the same fate.
This was a devastating end to an effort by Saudi forces and US intell. agencies to find and rescue Mr. Johnson.
Apparently the Suadis don't even have control over their own nation.

Why the f*ck did we ever attack Iraq? We should have cooperated more with the Saudis to stop Al-Queda from running rampant in Saudi Arabia, thus keeping these bastards from ever executing people

A islamic extremist website is now showing photos of the beheaded, mutilated body of Paul Johnson with his executioners desecrating an American flag in the background.

A shame, and morally disgusting. I hope that the failure to rescue Mr Johnson will not stop the attempt to bring those involved in his execution to justice.

The Saudi government has been engaged in an urgent effort to find Mr. Johnson in the last 72 hours since he had been kidnapped by terrorists.
The American intelligence agents and contractors in Saudi are being blamed for the death cause they refused to share information with Saudi officials that could have led to the saving of Mr. Johnson's life.

Damn Al-Queada we should kill them all in reprisal. Forget due process. Forget fair trail. They wouldn't give us a trail even if they had the best court system on earth. Those ruthless murders we will get them yet......

And so continues Al Qaeda's campaign to, apparently, prove that Muslims are evil. :(

*is sad for the millions of civilized Muslims, as well as for the family of Paul Johnson*

Words from Al Qaeda website:

THE DEADLINE HAS PASSED. THE AMERICAN PAUL JOHNSON HAS BEEN BEHEADED. WE DEMAND THE US WITHDRAWAL FROM ALL THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE AMERICANS CONVERSION TO ISLAM. IF THESE DEMANDS ARE NOT MET WE WILL BEHEAD MORE AMERICANS.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

There's a video that Fox News isn't going to show because it is inappropriate.

I say nuke the whole region

Rest in Peace Johnson :cry: :cry: :cry:

Report: U.S. hostage beheaded
Al Arabiya says new video shows killing

Friday, June 18, 2004 Posted: 1:45 PM EDT (1745 GMT)



(CNN) -- An Arabic TV news network said Friday that American hostage Paul Johnson Jr. has been beheaded by his Saudi captors.

Al Arabiya said its bureau chief had been shown the video of the killing.

A Saudi security source said, "From our end, we cannot confirm this. We have not found a body yet."

Earlier Friday, Al Arabiya had aired an emotional statement from the wife of Johnson.

Johnson's wife, Noom, who is Thai, said she hoped the Saudi government "can help my husband."

U.S. and Saudi investigators concluded an intensive meeting Friday, Saudi officials said, as security forces spread all over the kingdom searching for Johnson.

Johnson, 49, a Lockheed Martin Corp. employee, had been kidnapped Saturday in the Saudi capital of Riyadh. He helped maintain U.S.-built Apache helicopter gunships for the Saudi military.

Johnson's captors had threatened to kill him by Friday unless the Saudi government released al Qaeda prisoners and Westerners leave the Arabian Peninsula.

Abdel Aziz al-Muqrin, the self-proclaimed military leader of al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, claimed responsibility for Johnson's kidnapping and the death of another American on the same day on behalf of a group called the Al Falluja Squadron, which says it has ties to al Qaeda.

The State Department has urged all Americans to leave Saudi Arabia, but Johnson's sister, Donna Mayeux, said her brother "always felt safe in Saudi Arabia."

"My brother is an honorable man," she said. "He has always treated people with dignity and respect."

The execution is now being met with global condemnation.
The Saudi government is considering martial law.
Saudi Arabia is said to be offering rewards for the heads of the terrorists.
This however, has not been confirmed.

The execution is now being met with global condemnation.
The Saudi government is considering martial law.
Saudi Arabia is said to be offering rewards for the heads of the terrorists.
This however, has not been confirmed.

World Condemnation yes. Not that its going to do any good. But its nice to have. Little do they know that we are not leaving and they won't force us out with this crap.

...just like the song:

"They're savages! Savages! Barely even human..."

The US government is now urging all American workers to leave Saudi Arabia as their safety in that nation cannot be gauranteed.

Meantime, the family is blaming the media for the execution. Members of the community are reportedly throwing rocks at reporters.

The US government is now urging all American workers to leave Saudi Arabia as their safety in that nation cannot be gauranteed.

Meantime, the family is blaming the media for the execution.

They've been saying that for a week! If we do, the terrorists win.

Like Senator Lieberman said recently, radical Islam is the new evil empire. This is a fight to the death with the criminals who have perverted, and apparantly now speak for, a once great religion.

The problem is the Americans are fighting this war all wrong.
You can't fight like you would if you were fighting the russians or the germans.
This is a holy war. Americans need to wake up. These criminals will not stop attacking Americans even if we leave the middle east. Their goal is to impose a global islamic empire and this includes forcing Americans to mass convert to their brand of Islam and agree to submit to tyrannical islamic rule.
Americans may say this will never happen but it becomes more and more likely as they blunder their way through this war. It is a holy war and Americans need to fight it like they are in a holy war. It is the only way to win.
This is a holy war between men of true religion against men of religious fundamentalist wackoism.
You may be an athiest and not care for either christian or muslim but these guys don't care. You will convert to islam or they will kill you. Your only hope is to support the forces of light in their fight against the forces of darkness. You must be prepared to be martyred in the war against evil.
Americans are too quezy about dying and many refuse to do it for even their neighbors. But if Americans truly believed themselves to be a christian nation they would hearken to Jesus words "greater love has no man than that he lay down his life to save that of another."
The terrorists are winning cause they do not fear death and they are willing to face martyrdom.
If we are to win we must also willingly embrace martyrdom, not in the name forcing our religion on others, not in the name of oppression, but rather, in the name of freedom, in the name of human rights, in the name of all that is good and right.
"Ours is not a nation that goes out seeking monsters to destroy". Thomas Jefferson.
However, the monsters have sought us ought and they are forcing us to hunt them down and destroy them once and for all.
The necessity of embracing martyrdom does not necessitate to murder of hostages or civilians. Americans value the right to life. This is a right ingrained in our declaration of human rights and the US Constitution. We value life, they don't. Martyrdom the American way is to join a legitimate armed forces and volunteer to be deployed to combat zones to fight the terrorists. Being killed in battle or in exchange for the lives of innocents is the American version of martyrdom. To be die for those you love, that is true martydom. To die in defense of your nation, in defense of all freedom loving nations, that is true martyrdom.
The muslim fanatics love to preach martyrdom, but they have never encountered the great power of American martyrdom. A power that can rouse an entire nation of 300 million and many other nations to war. A power that often leads to the death of evil and tyrannical regimes that violate human rights and oppress their own people.
Woe be to Al Qaeda when Americans finally wake up and start fighting this war the only way it can be fought.

I, myself have no fear of death. My soul is prepared.

so am I! My dad is too and he isn't afraid to die for what he believes in.

dp

I say nuke the whole region


That is why you will NEVER hold public office.

Anyway, thats just sickening. But in the end, we will prevail.

Like Senator Lieberman said recently.......
I, myself have no fear of death. My soul is prepared.
so am I! My dad is too and he isn't afraid to die for what he believes in.
:roll:

It's obvious hyperbole, but sometimes one can relate with the sentiment.

Those are all idiotic demands, and will most likely never happen. The extremists are asking to be terminated which will probably eventually happen. Even though this can porbably be seen as slippery slope - if this continues, they will be carpetbombed. And as my dad thinks, so begins the religious war.

I hate religion and all of its fanatics.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

There's a video that Fox News isn't going to show because it is inappropriate.

I say nuke the whole region

Rest in Peace Johnson :cry: :cry: :cry:
It is attitudes such as this, that result in the death of more of your countrymen, and results in more hatred in the world. Hitler had thinking like yours and he was well admired?

Sent in the heat of anger and besides i'm having my ummmm nevermind.

Those are all idiotic demands, and will most likely never happen. The extremists are asking to be terminated which will probably eventually happen. Even though this can porbably be seen as slippery slope - if this continues, they will be carpetbombed. And as my dad thinks, so begins the religious war.

I hate religion and all of its fanatics.
Is that your answer to the situation? Extermination. Now who is being fanatical here?

The US government is now urging all American workers to leave Saudi Arabia as their safety in that nation cannot be gauranteed.

...and this will be the end of Saudi oil industry :roll:

President Bush has vowed revenge against the terrorists.

President Bush has vowed revenge against the terrorists.
And the execution has been unprecedentedly condemned by all major islamic organizations world wide.

President Bush has vowed revenge against the terrorists.
And the execution has been unprecedentedly condemned by all major islamic organizations world wide.
Outrage is building.
"Johnson was an infidel who got what he deserved." Qoute from a Hamas official interviewed on Fox News.

No need to post a little more with each post. Go ahead and get it over with

Hey, there's something like a billion muslims in the world, right?

And I've only got about 150 bullets.

I'm going to have to go to the gun store.

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*Raymond Chatillon was the man who, more or less, started the Third Crusade.

** Raymond Chatillon is also a puppet of Akilliam because he forgot his new password.

***Delete both so I don't have to deal with this stupidity anymore.

The necessity of embracing martyrdom does not necessitate to murder of hostages or civilians. Americans value the right to life. This is a right ingrained in our declaration of human rights and the US Constitution. We value life, they don't. Martyrdom the American way is to join a legitimate armed forces and volunteer to be deployed to combat zones to fight the terrorists. Being killed in battle or in exchange for the lives of innocents is the American version of martyrdom. To be die for those you love, that is true martydom. To die in defense of your nation, in defense of all freedom loving nations, that is true martyrdom.

first, may Mr Johnson rest in peace.

second, I agree with most of what you wrote, but there is a small flaw in your argument. What do you think, in this war between the US and Iraq which is the attacking country and which is the one defending itself?

for Raymond Chatillon: the age of crusades is over, I don't think you'll get away with this hateful post.

hhhhmmmmm we need to stop them at all costs but declering religius war is not the answear we must uphold true to the princples of demracy and freedom but be ready to die for it :x and dont eaven call me a librel are domcrat im not amerciean im a blairrite........

Is it? Salah al-Din called for Holy War in 1187. Osama bin Laden calls for them now.

But guess what? I don't expect to get away with it. I don't even want to get away with it.

sooo....

fuck the mods and fuck the admins
fuck the players too
fuck your mother fuck your sister
fuck someone's nephew!

Damn all Al-Qaeda members! We should slaughter them like the bastards they are! We should kill them the same way they killed Paul Johnson Jr., cut off their rotting, evil heads. When we get Osama Bin Laden, we should torture him for 5 years without trial and then behead him, quarter him(cut him into 4 pieces) and draw him(Cut out his heart). Then we should throw the pieces of the demon into a dump and leave him to rot and be eaten by decomposers. That's the proper punishment for them.

Words from Al Qaeda website:

THE DEADLINE HAS PASSED. THE AMERICAN PAUL JOHNSON HAS BEEN BEHEADED. WE DEMAND THE US WITHDRAWAL FROM ALL THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE AMERICANS CONVERSION TO ISLAM. IF THESE DEMANDS ARE NOT MET WE WILL BEHEAD MORE AMERICANS.

How much more hypocritical can you get? Decrying American 'imperialism' and saying that we forcefully assert our beliefs on others, and they threaten terrorism if we don't convert to their religion!

Now about all this talk of slaughtering Al Qaeda like they did to our citizens...that's ridiculous. Aren't we just a tad more civilized than that? How low do you think we're going to go? We will root out terrorism with all the resources we've got, but wreaking vengeance like that is something we should definitely stay away from.

This is sad beyond belief. My condolences to the families, and may God rest his soul.

um it was the pope in the 1110s who declered a holy war to reclaim the holy land so teklecy europe started it

Why the f*ck did we ever attack Iraq?



http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saddam.terror/index.html

the prisoners the terrorists wanted released should now be beheaded and their beheadings be made available online too-

The execution is now being met with global condemnation.
The Saudi government is considering martial law.
Saudi Arabia is said to be offering rewards for the heads of the terrorists.
This however, has not been confirmed.

World Condemnation yes. Not that its going to do any good. But its nice to have. Little do they know that we are not leaving and they won't force us out with this crap.

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism, in case you forgot.. what the world is not behind was the war on Iraq who had little to nothing to do with any of this.

My heart goes out to this man's family. I certainly regret this has happened. Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda and only Al Qaeda.. maybe they would of caught these people by now, instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

the prisoners the terrorists wanted released should now be beheaded and their beheadings be made available online too-

They should check the temperature reports in Hell... I just found myself agreeing with something TRA said. :shock:

the prisoners the terrorists wanted released should now be beheaded and their beheadings be made available online too-

They should check the temperature reports in Hell... I just found myself agreeing with something TRA said. :shock:

I'm with you MKULTRA! We may disagree on everything, but I agree with you in this case!

The problem is the Americans are fighting this war all wrong.
You can't fight like you would if you were fighting the russians or the germans.
This is a holy war. Americans need to wake up. These criminals will not stop attacking Americans even if we leave the middle east. Their goal is to impose a global islamic empire and this includes forcing Americans to mass convert to their brand of Islam and agree to submit to tyrannical islamic rule.
Americans may say this will never happen but it becomes more and more likely as they blunder their way through this war. It is a holy war and Americans need to fight it like they are in a holy war. It is the only way to win.
This is a holy war between men of true religion against men of religious fundamentalist wackoism.
You may be an athiest and not care for either christian or muslim but these guys don't care. You will convert to islam or they will kill you. Your only hope is to support the forces of light in their fight against the forces of darkness. You must be prepared to be martyred in the war against evil.
Americans are too quezy about dying and many refuse to do it for even their neighbors. But if Americans truly believed themselves to be a christian nation they would hearken to Jesus words "greater love has no man than that he lay down his life to save that of another."
The terrorists are winning cause they do not fear death and they are willing to face martyrdom.
If we are to win we must also willingly embrace martyrdom, not in the name forcing our religion on others, not in the name of oppression, but rather, in the name of freedom, in the name of human rights, in the name of all that is good and right.
"Ours is not a nation that goes out seeking monsters to destroy". Thomas Jefferson.
However, the monsters have sought us ought and they are forcing us to hunt them down and destroy them once and for all.
The necessity of embracing martyrdom does not necessitate to murder of hostages or civilians. Americans value the right to life. This is a right ingrained in our declaration of human rights and the US Constitution. We value life, they don't. Martyrdom the American way is to join a legitimate armed forces and volunteer to be deployed to combat zones to fight the terrorists. Being killed in battle or in exchange for the lives of innocents is the American version of martyrdom. To be die for those you love, that is true martydom. To die in defense of your nation, in defense of all freedom loving nations, that is true martyrdom.
The muslim fanatics love to preach martyrdom, but they have never encountered the great power of American martyrdom. A power that can rouse an entire nation of 300 million and many other nations to war. A power that often leads to the death of evil and tyrannical regimes that violate human rights and oppress their own people.
Woe be to Al Qaeda when Americans finally wake up and start fighting this war the only way it can be fought.

well i have to say it. you give me hope. hope that not all people on the general forums are ignorant. bless you.
i agree with you all the way. this is what americans fail to understand. i am not saying that we start a crusade, and kill innocent muslims in america. im saying that we need to know how to fight the terrorists. my aunt is a missionary in israel. though she has been angry at me for years for following my father, and becoming a protestant, she is still in touch with my family. she told us that we should learn from the israelies on how to fight terror. they know. america doesnt because we have not truly experienced terror. yet. in israel, busloads of children are beign exploded by evil suicide bombers who are hidden in the homes of palestians. this is why israelies close off palestinian settlements. i think that if not for tyhe evil, curropted UN, and idiots who go into israel and support the palestinian terrorists, protesting against israelies defending themselves,
israel might be able to prevent major attacks. i think that america needs to learn.

The execution is now being met with global condemnation.
The Saudi government is considering martial law.
Saudi Arabia is said to be offering rewards for the heads of the terrorists.
This however, has not been confirmed.

World Condemnation yes. Not that its going to do any good. But its nice to have. Little do they know that we are not leaving and they won't force us out with this crap.

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism, in case you forgot.. what the world is not behind was the war on Iraq who had little to nothing to do with any of this.

My heart goes out to this man's family. I certainly regret this has happened. Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda and only Al Qaeda.. maybe they would of caught these people by now, instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.

The execution is now being met with global condemnation.
The Saudi government is considering martial law.
Saudi Arabia is said to be offering rewards for the heads of the terrorists.
This however, has not been confirmed.

World Condemnation yes. Not that its going to do any good. But its nice to have. Little do they know that we are not leaving and they won't force us out with this crap.

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism, in case you forgot.. what the world is not behind was the war on Iraq who had little to nothing to do with any of this.

My heart goes out to this man's family. I certainly regret this has happened. Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda and only Al Qaeda.. maybe they would of caught these people by now, instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.

Akaviir, I could too and I should. It isn't worth it though. No matter what we could say, she won't see it and will come up with another arguement against it. Its all they know how to do.

the prisoners the terrorists wanted released should now be beheaded and their beheadings be made available online too-

They should check the temperature reports in Hell... I just found myself agreeing with something TRA said. :shock:

I'm with you MKULTRA! We may disagree on everything, but I agree with you in this case!its the only message barbarians can understand-is when you hit em back on the exact same level

The execution is now being met with global condemnation.
The Saudi government is considering martial law.
Saudi Arabia is said to be offering rewards for the heads of the terrorists.
This however, has not been confirmed.

World Condemnation yes. Not that its going to do any good. But its nice to have. Little do they know that we are not leaving and they won't force us out with this crap.

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism, in case you forgot.. what the world is not behind was the war on Iraq who had little to nothing to do with any of this.

My heart goes out to this man's family. I certainly regret this has happened. Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda and only Al Qaeda.. maybe they would of caught these people by now, instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.

Akaviir, I could too and I should. It isn't worth it though. No matter what we could say, she won't see it and will come up with another arguement against it. Its all they know how to do.

yeah your right. that is exactly why i didnt say what i was going to say.ive realised that through trying to argue with several peopple on this website, who just wouldnt listen, and would come up with random arguments that dont make any sense. so, from now on, i shall only argue when its worth it.

Aliquid est alienigena cum R. Arro

Damn those sick people! :x

Aliquid est alienigena cum R. ArroI dont know what this means

Aliquid est alienigena cum R. ArroI dont know what this means
Something is strange with you

the prisoners the terrorists wanted released should now be beheaded and their beheadings be made available online too-
Have to totally disagree with you on this one. It is barbaric to behead a person, and two wrongs don't make a right.

The absolute worse thing that these terrorists could have happen to them, is to spend the rest of their life in jail. That would be a fate worse than death to them.

When you sink to the depths of those of your tormentor, you are no better than they are!!

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism....Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda ..... instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.

another person? need help Akavir? ok...Id be more than happy to oblige... :twisted:

hmm lets see...
What is wrong with her argument?
What is wrong with her argument?
What could be wrong with her argument? :?

I got it !!!!

the World WAS behind this so called "war on terrorism"...

Bush has managed to waste all the capital of simpaty we had after 9-11

The World does no longer trust us to lead the so called "War-on-terrorism".

...some would even say the World no longer trust us to Lead.(period)

the prisoners the terrorists wanted released should now be beheaded and their beheadings be made available online too-
Have to totally disagree with you on this one. It is barbaric to behead a person, and two wrongs don't make a right.

The absolute worse thing that these terrorists could have happen to them, is to spend the rest of their life in jail. That would be a fate worse than death to them.

When you sink to the depths of those of your tormentor, you are no better than they are!!

what all of you fail to realise is that it wont happen. it might have happened to saddam {who all of you liberals forgot that we captured. im not calling you a liberal, Canuck heaven. just speaking to other peopole on this site} they EXPLODE THEIRSELVES SO THAT THEY COULD KILL INNOCENT ISRAELI CHILDREN! they wont be taken alive. they would most likely explode themeselves, or fight to the death like saddam's grandchildren did.

the prisoners the terrorists wanted released should now be beheaded and their beheadings be made available online too-
Have to totally disagree with you on this one. It is barbaric to behead a person, and two wrongs don't make a right.

The absolute worse thing that these terrorists could have happen to them, is to spend the rest of their life in jail. That would be a fate worse than death to them.

When you sink to the depths of those of your tormentor, you are no better than they are!!

what all of you fail to realise is that it wont happen. it might have happened to saddam {who all of you liberals forgot that we captured. im not calling you a liberal, Canuck heaven. just speaking to other peopole on this site} they EXPLODE THEIRSELVES SO THAT THEY COULD KILL INNOCENT ISRAELI CHILDREN! they wont be taken alive. they would most likely explode themeselves, or fight to the death like saddam's grandchildren did.

They got the Son of a Bitch that did it. Saudi officials are confirming that during a gun battle that occured just after the discovery of Johnson's body, the leader the of the Saudi cell of Al Qaeda has been killed with many of his followers.
This is from the Fox News website.

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism....Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda ..... instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.

another person? need help Akavir? ok...Id be more than happy to oblige... :twisted:

hmm lets see...
What is wrong with her argument?
What is wrong with her argument?
What could be wrong with her argument? :?

I got it !!!!

the world WAS behind this so called "war on terrorism"...

Bush has managed to waste all the capital of simpaty we had after 9-11

The world does no longer trust us to lead the so called "War-on-terrorism".

...some would even say the worl no longer trust us to Lead.(period)

oh god... but as i have said, i will not argue with people who would not except other peoples arguments.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saddam.terror/index.html

They got the Son of a Bitch that did it. Saudi officials are confirming that during a gun battle that occured just after the discovery of Johnson's body, the leader the of the Saudi cell of Al Qaeda has been killed with many of his followers.
This is from the Fox News website.

And I say he burns in hell for eternity. It is confirmed too.

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism....Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda ..... instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.

another person? need help Akavir? ok...Id be more than happy to oblige... :twisted:

hmm lets see...
What is wrong with her argument?
What is wrong with her argument?
What could be wrong with her argument? :?

I got it !!!!

the world WAS behind this so called "war on terrorism"...

Bush has managed to waste all the capital of simpaty we had after 9-11

The world does no longer trust us to lead the so called "War-on-terrorism".

...some would even say the worl no longer trust us to Lead.(period)

oh god... but as i have said, i will not argue with people who would not except other peoples arguments.
sure...after all....the Internet is truly The-Land-Of-The-Free ....Enjoy 8)

Aliquid est alienigena cum R. ArroI dont know what this means
Something is strange with youoh thanks M8 :twisted:

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism....Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda ..... instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.

another person? need help Akavir? ok...Id be more than happy to oblige... :twisted:

hmm lets see...
What is wrong with her argument?
What is wrong with her argument?
What could be wrong with her argument? :?

I got it !!!!

the world WAS behind this so called "war on terrorism"...

Bush has managed to waste all the capital of simpaty we had after 9-11

The world does no longer trust us to lead the so called "War-on-terrorism".

...some would even say the worl no longer trust us to Lead.(period)

oh god... but as i have said, i will not argue with people who would not except other peoples arguments.
sure...after all....the Internet is truly The-Land-Of-The-Free ....Enjoy 8)

lol. *shakes head*

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism....Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda ..... instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.
i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.
another person? need help Akavir? ok...Id be more than happy to oblige... :twisted:
hmm lets see...
What is wrong with her argument?
What is wrong with her argument?
What could be wrong with her argument? :?

I got it !!!!

The world WAS behind this so called "war on terrorism"...
The World does no longer trust us to lead the so called "War-on-terrorism".
...some would even say the World no longer trust us to Lead.(period)
oh god... but as i have said, i will not argue with people who would not except other peoples arguments.
sure...after all....the Internet is truly The-Land-Of-The-Free ....Enjoy 8)
lol. *shakes head*
Like i said...you are free to argue...and you are free to refuse-to-argue.
you are even free to *lol-me*...and free to *shakes-head-me*
I love the internet...and i love all this freedom... 8)

The execution is now being met with global condemnation.
The Saudi government is considering martial law.
Saudi Arabia is said to be offering rewards for the heads of the terrorists.
This however, has not been confirmed.

World Condemnation yes. Not that its going to do any good. But its nice to have. Little do they know that we are not leaving and they won't force us out with this crap.

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism, in case you forgot.. what the world is not behind was the war on Iraq who had little to nothing to do with any of this.

My heart goes out to this man's family. I certainly regret this has happened. Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda and only Al Qaeda.. maybe they would of caught these people by now, instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.
In case you missed it today, the Russian Government has released the intelligence they had given to Bush that proved Saddam's link to terrorism and that he partially funded 9 11 and that he was planning worse attacks on US soil. So the President of Russia and the Russian intelligence agency would greatly differ with you over the matter of whether or not Saddam had terrorist ties to Al Qaeda and other terror groups.
Putin's speech on the matter should be on one of the news sites. I don't understand how any one could have missed. They were talking about it all morning just before they announced Paul Johnson's death.

The execution is now being met with global condemnation.
The Saudi government is considering martial law.
Saudi Arabia is said to be offering rewards for the heads of the terrorists.
This however, has not been confirmed.

World Condemnation yes. Not that its going to do any good. But its nice to have. Little do they know that we are not leaving and they won't force us out with this crap.

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism, in case you forgot.. what the world is not behind was the war on Iraq who had little to nothing to do with any of this.

My heart goes out to this man's family. I certainly regret this has happened. Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda and only Al Qaeda.. maybe they would of caught these people by now, instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.
In case you missed it today, the Russian Government has released the intelligence they had given to Bush that proved Saddam's link to terrorism and that he partially funded 9 11 and that he was planning worse attacks on US soil. So the President of Russia and the Russian intelligence agency would greatly differ with you over the matter of whether or not Saddam had terrorist ties to Al Qaeda and other terror groups.
Putin's speech on the matter should be on one of the news sites. I don't understand how any one could have missed. They were talking about it all morning just before they announced Paul Johnson's death.

The execution is now being met with global condemnation.
The Saudi government is considering martial law.
Saudi Arabia is said to be offering rewards for the heads of the terrorists.
This however, has not been confirmed.

World Condemnation yes. Not that its going to do any good. But its nice to have. Little do they know that we are not leaving and they won't force us out with this crap.

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism, in case you forgot.. what the world is not behind was the war on Iraq who had little to nothing to do with any of this.

My heart goes out to this man's family. I certainly regret this has happened. Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda and only Al Qaeda.. maybe they would of caught these people by now, instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.
In case you missed it today, the Russian Government has released the intelligence they had given to Bush that proved Saddam's link to terrorism and that he partially funded 9 11 and that he was planning worse attacks on US soil. So the President of Russia and the Russian intelligence agency would greatly differ with you over the matter of whether or not Saddam had terrorist ties to Al Qaeda and other terror groups.
Putin's speech on the matter should be on one of the news sites. I don't understand how any one could have missed. They were talking about it all morning just before they announced Paul Johnson's death.

I don't understand how any one could have missed.

you forgot who your dealing with Whittier. There are people out there, sir, that will say that the Bush Administration told them to say it. Cheney has said all along that Al Qaeda and Saddam where linked as did the CIA! Once again, we've been proven right. However, there are peple that will say its false, inaccurate and that the Russian Intel was 'misinterpreted'!

I'm glad the Russians said what they said. It proves that the 9/11 commission has no clue what happened. If you want to know what happened on 9/11 you don't hold a public hearing. That is common knowledge.

the prisoners the terrorists wanted released should now be beheaded and their beheadings be made available online too-
Have to totally disagree with you on this one. It is barbaric to behead a person, and two wrongs don't make a right.

The absolute worse thing that these terrorists could have happen to them, is to spend the rest of their life in jail. That would be a fate worse than death to them.

When you sink to the depths of those of your tormentor, you are no better than they are!!

what all of you fail to realise is that it wont happen. it might have happened to saddam {who all of you liberals forgot that we captured. im not calling you a liberal, Canuck heaven. just speaking to other peopole on this site} they EXPLODE THEIRSELVES SO THAT THEY COULD KILL INNOCENT ISRAELI CHILDREN! they wont be taken alive. they would most likely explode themeselves, or fight to the death like saddam's grandchildren did.
Many al-Queda prisoners are already in jail, some for the 911 attack. What do you mean it won't happen? AND if they are caught, they should not be beheaded, especially on video. How sick is that?

I don't understand how any one could have missed. .

Who says we missed it....You think you are the only one around here...with cableTV?

The execution is now being met with global condemnation.
The Saudi government is considering martial law.
Saudi Arabia is said to be offering rewards for the heads of the terrorists.
This however, has not been confirmed.

World Condemnation yes. Not that its going to do any good. But its nice to have. Little do they know that we are not leaving and they won't force us out with this crap.

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism, in case you forgot.. what the world is not behind was the war on Iraq who had little to nothing to do with any of this.

My heart goes out to this man's family. I certainly regret this has happened. Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda and only Al Qaeda.. maybe they would of caught these people by now, instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.
In case you missed it today, the Russian Government has released the intelligence they had given to Bush that proved Saddam's link to terrorism and that he partially funded 9 11 and that he was planning worse attacks on US soil. So the President of Russia and the Russian intelligence agency would greatly differ with you over the matter of whether or not Saddam had terrorist ties to Al Qaeda and other terror groups.
Putin's speech on the matter should be on one of the news sites. I don't understand how any one could have missed. They were talking about it all morning just before they announced Paul Johnson's death.

well there you have it. thank you very much whittier.

The execution is now being met with global condemnation.
The Saudi government is considering martial law.
Saudi Arabia is said to be offering rewards for the heads of the terrorists.
This however, has not been confirmed.

World Condemnation yes. Not that its going to do any good. But its nice to have. Little do they know that we are not leaving and they won't force us out with this crap.

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism, in case you forgot.. what the world is not behind was the war on Iraq who had little to nothing to do with any of this.

My heart goes out to this man's family. I certainly regret this has happened. Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda and only Al Qaeda.. maybe they would of caught these people by now, instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.
In case you missed it today, the Russian Government has released the intelligence they had given to Bush that proved Saddam's link to terrorism and that he partially funded 9 11 and that he was planning worse attacks on US soil. So the President of Russia and the Russian intelligence agency would greatly differ with you over the matter of whether or not Saddam had terrorist ties to Al Qaeda and other terror groups.
Putin's speech on the matter should be on one of the news sites. I don't understand how any one could have missed. They were talking about it all morning just before they announced Paul Johnson's death.

well there you have it. thank you very much whittier.

The execution is now being met with global condemnation.
The Saudi government is considering martial law.
Saudi Arabia is said to be offering rewards for the heads of the terrorists.
This however, has not been confirmed.

World Condemnation yes. Not that its going to do any good. But its nice to have. Little do they know that we are not leaving and they won't force us out with this crap.

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism, in case you forgot.. what the world is not behind was the war on Iraq who had little to nothing to do with any of this.

My heart goes out to this man's family. I certainly regret this has happened. Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda and only Al Qaeda.. maybe they would of caught these people by now, instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

i could say something so mean right now... so how about another person here explains to this person what is wrong with her argument.
In case you missed it today, the Russian Government has released the intelligence they had given to Bush that proved Saddam's link to terrorism and that he partially funded 9 11 and that he was planning worse attacks on US soil. So the President of Russia and the Russian intelligence agency would greatly differ with you over the matter of whether or not Saddam had terrorist ties to Al Qaeda and other terror groups.
Putin's speech on the matter should be on one of the news sites. I don't understand how any one could have missed. They were talking about it all morning just before they announced Paul Johnson's death.

well there you have it. thank you very much whittier.
I believe that your FACTS are inaccurate. Please check them again or at least post your source. The story I read said nothing about Iraqi "funding for 911", or that the attacks were going to be "worse". Also is does not say that the Russians "released" any "intelligence" to the US.

See! I was right. Some people will never be satisfied.

Putin said it himself CanuckHeaven. He said it himself that Hussein was a threat to the US and the he was planning assaults both here in the USA and on our troops oversees. If that isn't a threat to the USA, then I think you need to get a pair of glasses.
www.foxnews.com try there. I know I saw it there.
www.cnn.com check under the world section

See! I was right. Some people will never be satisfied.

Putin said it himself CanuckHeaven. He said it himself that Hussein was a threat to the US and the he was planning assaults both here in the USA and on our troops oversees. If that isn't a threat to the USA, then I think you need to get a pair of glasses.
www.foxnews.com try there. I know I saw it there.
www.cnn.com check under the world section

The Bush administration in part justified the invasion of Iraq by saying Saddam had links to terror groups, including Al Qaeda (search). The U.S. commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks said this week there was no evidence of any collaboration between Iraq and Usama bin Laden's terror network.

In Washington, a U.S. official said Putin's information did not add to what the United States already knew about Saddam's intentions.

"Putin said Russia didn't have any information that Saddam's regime was actually behind any terrorist acts."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123051,00.html

This really tells us nothing new. Would you suggest that Russian intelligence was suprior to American, and if it were true, why would Russia still object to an invasion of Iraq?

"This really tells us nothing new. Would you suggest that Russian intelligence was suprior to American, and if it were true, why would Russia still object to an invasion of Iraq?"
Because his country was making tens of millions of dollars leeching off Saddam Hussein.

The way I see it, there is a simple way to deal with terrorism. The problem with the method is that it will earn the U.S. no friends and will likely break a few of the Geneva conventions. But to make our country safer, I would say to hell with the Geneva conventions. My solution is this, make terrorism too costly to commit. If terrorists kill an American, we send out special forces units to hunt down and kill ten of their people. If they kill twenty, we kill one hundred. If they send a plane into a building, we force foriegn governments that have terrorists operating in their nations to help us by threating to destroy one of their major cities. Sure, that all might recruit more people to the terrorist cause. Kill them too. Show no reguard for foreign boundaries. If foreign forces get in the way, shoot them. Israel has been doing it to people who have killed Israelis since they were created. As a result, you either have to be stupid, suicidal, or insane to commit an act of terrorism against Israel. You can also be Palestinian, which may or may not be a combination of all three. The proposed tactic is not kind, it shows no reverence for foreign sovereignty, it will make the U.S. enemies, but it will reduce terrorism because they will know that to mess with America will me death to them and their families. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that last part. If the offending terrorist was a suicide bomber, go after the terrorist's family. They will think twice about driving a car packed with explosives into a crowded street or building if they know that their families will be jailed and executed. Like I said, the tactic shows no compassion, but it would work.

A islamic extremist website is now showing photos of the beheaded, mutilated body of Paul Johnson with his executioners desecrating an American flag in the background.

Aren't muslims not supposed ta mutalate dead bodies? or execute in that sort of matter? Shows how fake they are about their religion :?

A islamic extremist website is now showing photos of the beheaded, mutilated body of Paul Johnson with his executioners desecrating an American flag in the background.

Aren't muslims not supposed ta mutalate dead bodies? or execute in that sort of matter? Shows how fake they are about their religion :?

Your right! They're not supposed to. Even the quran says not too. The EXTREMISTS perverted Islam.

A islamic extremist website is now showing photos of the beheaded, mutilated body of Paul Johnson with his executioners desecrating an American flag in the background.

Aren't muslims not supposed ta mutalate dead bodies? or execute in that sort of matter? Shows how fake they are about their religion :?

Your right! They're not supposed to. Even the quran says not too. The EXTREMISTS perverted Islam.exactly the same way the religious right perverts christianity in america

A islamic extremist website is now showing photos of the beheaded, mutilated body of Paul Johnson with his executioners desecrating an American flag in the background.

Aren't muslims not supposed ta mutalate dead bodies? or execute in that sort of matter? Shows how fake they are about their religion :?

Your right! They're not supposed to. Even the quran says not too. The EXTREMISTS perverted Islam.exactly the same way the religious right perverts christianity in america

:lol: :lol: :lol:

WE don't fly planes into buildings. We don't behead people for being from a different religion. We don't commit acts of terror against civilians. That arguement is dead

:lol: :lol: :lol:

See! I was right. Some people will never be satisfied.

Putin said it himself CanuckHeaven. He said it himself that Hussein was a threat to the US and the he was planning assaults both here in the USA and on our troops oversees. If that isn't a threat to the USA, then I think you need to get a pair of glasses.
www.foxnews.com try there. I know I saw it there.
www.cnn.com check under the world section

The Bush administration in part justified the invasion of Iraq by saying Saddam had links to terror groups, including Al Qaeda (search). The U.S. commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks said this week there was no evidence of any collaboration between Iraq and Usama bin Laden's terror network.

In Washington, a U.S. official said Putin's information did not add to what the United States already knew about Saddam's intentions.

"Putin said Russia didn't have any information that Saddam's regime was actually behind any terrorist acts."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123051,00.html

This really tells us nothing new. Would you suggest that Russian intelligence was suprior to American, and if it were true, why would Russia still object to an invasion of Iraq?

as formal dances has said. some people will never be sattisfied. *sighs*

Putin said it himself CanuckHeaven. He said it himself....
Let me try to be as childish...
<<<<<<
Bush said it himself Formal Dances. He said it himself....
and...and..
Blair said it himself Formal Dances. He said it himself....long time ago.

<<<end of simulation<<<

It seem like you give far more credibility to Putin and the KGB....than Bush and da CIA.

Those are all idiotic demands, and will most likely never happen. The extremists are asking to be terminated which will probably eventually happen. Even though this can porbably be seen as slippery slope - if this continues, they will be carpetbombed. And as my dad thinks, so begins the religious war.

I hate religion and all of its fanatics.
Is that your answer to the situation? Extermination. Now who is being fanatical here?

Never said it was my answer, I would have prefered that we pretty much never had gone into Iraq. But, based upon the situation, I think that the fanatics out there are asking to be bombed. Would that be my answer - probably not. Will they get that- if they keep it up.

I'm sick of this stupid death cult called islam. The more I learn about this "religion" the more vile it becomes. It's no wonder that islam is growing among the prison population. Who else but a bunch of murders, rapists, and child-molesters would want to convert to islam.

Words from Al Qaeda website:

THE DEADLINE HAS PASSED. THE AMERICAN PAUL JOHNSON HAS BEEN BEHEADED. WE DEMAND THE US WITHDRAWAL FROM ALL THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE AMERICANS CONVERSION TO ISLAM. IF THESE DEMANDS ARE NOT MET WE WILL BEHEAD MORE AMERICANS.

How much more hypocritical can you get? Decrying American 'imperialism' and saying that we forcefully assert our beliefs on others, and they threaten terrorism if we don't convert to their religion!

Now about all this talk of slaughtering Al Qaeda like they did to our citizens...that's ridiculous. Aren't we just a tad more civilized than that? How low do you think we're going to go? We will root out terrorism with all the resources we've got, but wreaking vengeance like that is something we should definitely stay away from.

Yes, Al Qaeda should all be slaughtered.

Note: Al Qaeda does not = muslims. Does not = arabs. Does not = Iraqis. Does not = Saudis.

Al Qaeda = terrorists. They are the enemy. A civilized response would be wasted.

Putin said it himself CanuckHeaven. He said it himself....
Let me try to be as childish...
<<<<<<
Bush said it himself Formal Dances. He said it himself....
and...and..
Blair said it himself Formal Dances. He said it himself....long time ago.

<<<end of simulation<<<

It seem like you give far more credibility to Putin and the KGB....than Bush and da CIA.

oh my god... and you are the one calling formal dances childish?

"It seem like you give far more credibility to Putin and the KGB....than Bush and da CIA"

I'm going to say it again.

I could say something so mean right now... can somebody please take my place and tell this person what is wrong with his/her post?

I'm sick of this stupid death cult called islam. The more I learn about this "religion" the more vile it becomes. It's no wonder that islam is growing among the prison population. Who else but a bunch of murders, rapists, and child-molesters would want to convert to islam.

now your just being silly. and you know it. islam is a religion about peace {go and read the quran to find out yourself} its jsut that people {murderers, rapists, ect.} think that islam has sympathy for them. and sadly, the muslims of today do...

Of course, the world is behind the war on terrorism, in case you forgot.. what the world is not behind was the war on Iraq who had little to nothing to do with any of this.

My heart goes out to this man's family. I certainly regret this has happened. Had the Bush admin went after Al Qaeda and only Al Qaeda.. maybe they would of caught these people by now, instead he waged an illegal war on a country that had nothing to do with it. Such a shame.

You have got to be kidding me. Why in your mind does everything bad that happens in the world have to be blamed on President Bush? The war in Iraq (or Bush's "illegal" war, as you put it) is only the slightest and weakest excuse for the beheadings fanatical extremist terrorists would like to carry out all the time against "infidels".

You think this could have been avoided if we weren't in Iraq? Think again.

Recent jihad-inspired decapitations of infidels by Muslims have occurred across the globe- Christians in Indonesia, the Philippines, and Nigeria; Hindu priests and "unveiled" Hindu women in Kashmir; Wall Street Journal reporter, and Jew, Daniel Pearl. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13371

These extremists have been beheading people for the last half of this century. And really, have been doing it ever since Islam was founded. It really only shows the depths of your hate, for you to twist the blame for this onto Bush.

To those saying 'nuke the whole middle east!!' or 'nuke the whole region!!'

If someone you knew was killed, would you nuke your entire city? No you wouldn't because you'd still like to be able to live there. You have remembered that there are people who aren't involved in any of this living in the middle east right?

Putin said it himself CanuckHeaven. He said it himself....
Let me try to be as childish...
<<<<<<
Bush said it himself Formal Dances. He said it himself....
and...and..
Blair said it himself Formal Dances. He said it himself....long time ago.

<<<end of simulation<<<

It seem like you give far more credibility to Putin and the KGB....than Bush and da CIA.

oh my god... and you are the one calling formal dances childish?
...can somebody please take my place and...

Yes I am the one...what do YOU have to say about that?

Thoughts go out to the families involved with this sad event.

That being said, we cannot simply impose a single blanket retaliation. Muslims alone are not responsible for the atrocities happening today, and neither are the Jewish, Christians, Buddhists, etc. The problem stems from those that use their "religion" to justify themselves acting like savages. People that use religion to mutilate people for their own selfish purposes are the ones to blame here. Yes, the purpetrators of these crimes are all Muslim, but just because Jack steals from John that doesn't mean that you can kill his brother Peter...

What we need to do is get out of Iraq on the deadline that has been set. If these sub-human retards decide they want to continue to screw with us, then I say we find every last one of them and torture them nearly to death and make them squander their remaining days in a small, dirty prison in Cuba. Sooner or later the world will stand in unison and stop these people, it's just a matter of time (and attacks on their own soil, mind you).

Whatever God you may or may not believe in knows those who are true at heart, and those that are doing these atrocious things will be judged soon enough.

[quote="Weitzel"]
What we need to do is get out of Iraq on the deadline that has been set. If these sub-human retards decide they want to continue to screw with us, then I say we find every last one of them and torture them nearly to death and make them squander their remaining days in a small, dirty prison in Cuba. Sooner or later the world will stand in unison and stop these people, it's just a matter of time (and attacks on their own soil, mind you).

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If we leave Iraq, then this entire operation will go up in smoke, and the Terrorists and Liberals will have a part together. thats not what i want. the iraqis cannot rule themselvbes, thas what people need to understand. they don't want to be free. they want to have an unfree un enequal islamic nation, and want to suffer just like the people of iran. you know that right? the iraqis were and are still out protesting us after we saved them from an evil dictator, and now they want us to leave so that they can have another evil dictator. that is why ameica must remain to guide the iraqi people.

[quote="Weitzel"]
What we need to do is get out of Iraq on the deadline that has been set. If these sub-human retards decide they want to continue to screw with us, then I say we find every last one of them and torture them nearly to death and make them squander their remaining days in a small, dirty prison in Cuba. Sooner or later the world will stand in unison and stop these people, it's just a matter of time (and attacks on their own soil, mind you).

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If we leave Iraq, then this entire operation will go up in smoke, and the Terrorists and Liberals will have a part together. thats not what i want. the iraqis cannot rule themselvbes, thas what people need to understand. they don't want to be free. they want to have an unfree un enequal islamic nation, and want to suffer just like the people of iran. you know that right? the iraqis were and are still out protesting us after we saved them from an evil dictator, and now they want us to leave so that they can have another evil dictator. that is why america must remain to guide the iraqi people.

[quote="Weitzel"]
What we need to do is get out of Iraq on the deadline that has been set. If these sub-human retards decide they want to continue to screw with us, then I say we find every last one of them and torture them nearly to death and make them squander their remaining days in a small, dirty prison in Cuba. Sooner or later the world will stand in unison and stop these people, it's just a matter of time (and attacks on their own soil, mind you).

quote]

Well

If we leave Iraq, then this entire operation will go up in smoke, and the Terrorists and Liberals will have a part together. thats not what i want. the iraqis cannot rule themselvbes, thas what people need to understand. they don't want to be free. they want to have an unfree un enequal islamic nation, and want to suffer just like the people of iran. you know that right? the iraqis were and are still out protesting us after we saved them from an evil dictator, and now they want us to leave so that they can have another evil dictator. that is why america must remain to guide the iraqi people.

A islamic extremist website is now showing photos of the beheaded, mutilated body of Paul Johnson with his executioners desecrating an American flag in the background.

Aren't muslims not supposed ta mutalate dead bodies? or execute in that sort of matter? Shows how fake they are about their religion :?

Your right! They're not supposed to. Even the quran says not too. The EXTREMISTS perverted Islam.

There is actually a verse in the Quran or Qu'ran or Koran or however you want to spell it that calls for beheading the enemies of Islam.

And as for mutilating dead bodies, one of the most faithful Muslims in history (Salah al-Din AKA Saladin) himself hacked off the arm of Raymond Chatillon. Mutilation was common on both sides of that little affair. Beheading an enemy was very normal and the bodies were often mutilated afterwards.

And to Dragonei or whoever it was:

Here's how it worked. After some light skirmishes around Outremer (And I'm sure you have no idea what that is) Salah al-Din reached a truce with the Latin Kingdom. In 1187 he trusted the truce enough to send a large caravan - including his own sister - on a trade route that would bring it close to Chatillon's Krak-de-la-Chevallier. Chatillon, a man who vehemently hated Muslims even unto his death, attacked the caravan and took Salah al-Din's sister.

A Muslim force of about 7,000 was mustered to launch a raid into Outremer. Though the raid itself was of little consequence, the force did manage to hole up a prominent maiden of the time. A force of 400 Hospitallers and Templars - led by Chatillon - set out to attack the Muslims, which they did stupidly at a placed called Haitan (if memory serves). Only Chatillon and one Gerard Guy were spared. Both were taken before Salah al-Din where Chatillon was executed and Guy spared - largely in part because he was the most moderate of the powerful Christians in the Latin Kingdom.

Following the disaster - the loss of around 400 Templars and Hospitallers was dire as they were effectively the shock troops of Outremer - Salah al-Din rolled over the remaining cities of the Latin Kingdom, capturing Jerusalem without spilling a drop of blood. In fact, in capturing Jerusalem he was quite merciful, allowing people to ransom themselves or to be ransomed by the Military Religious orders. As a result, the greater part of the Holy City escaped slavery.

Following that dark day (the year was 1189) envoys raced to Sicily, Rome, Aquataine, and what we'd call Germany. Ultimately, Richard of England, Philip Augustus of France, and Fredrick Barbarossa took up the cross.

Yes, the Pope sanctified and blessed the Third Crusaders, but even without such blessings I imagine that Barbarossa would have gone anyway, and I know for a fact Richard would have.

But if you want to know who started that crusade, maybe you should go back to 1099 when Jerusalem was taken by the first Crusaders, when Muslims and Jews actually fought side by side and were slaughtered to the man. Accounts of the time say the the blood was waist deep in some places, up to the bridle of a horse in others. If that's true or not, I don't know, but I do know that the Crusaders showed no mercy. In fact, at one point the burned Jews alive and danced and sang while the poor souls were ablaze.

But is that the beginning? The crusaders wouldn't have gone in the first place if the Holy City hadn't been captured by Muslims. Is that the beginning...

If we leave Iraq, then this entire operation will go up in smoke.Tho operation is already a total failure. Givin them elections and Sovereignity earlier...will save lives and money(billions)

do the math...just do the math...

.... the Pope sanctified and blessed the Third Crusaders, but even without such blessings I imagine that Barbarossa would have gone anyway, and I know for a fact Richard would have.


LOL....You know that for a fact?...are you Richard's cousin or something?

and you must be like more than 1000 years old. :)

Putin said it himself CanuckHeaven. He said it himself....
Let me try to be as childish...
<<<<<<
Bush said it himself Formal Dances. He said it himself....
and...and..
Blair said it himself Formal Dances. He said it himself....long time ago.

<<<end of simulation<<<

It seem like you give far more credibility to Putin and the KGB....than Bush and da CIA.

oh my god... and you are the one calling formal dances childish?
...can somebody please take my place and...

Yes I am the one...what do YOU have to say about that?
Seriously, if you have something to say, say it! Why wait for someone else to make your point for you?

(I typed out a whole long response and then lost it...darn internet)
This is a very sad situation. I'm a bit lost on what we should do from here... I am very much against the whole prison abuse thing (and the scandal that followed) But I'm not sure that I'm against some form of abuse to the prisoners that Al Qaeda was calling to be released (and those prisoners only...unless they could confirm that a certain new prisoner was someone who was actually involved in the execution) The biggest problem I see with beheading these prisoners, is that Al Qaeda will call "Martyr!! Look at what these Americans are doing to us- just because of what we believe! Stand up for Allah!" and I don't think we should give them that opportunity. However, although locking them up in prison for life might be the worst punishment for the prisoners, I don't think it sends a strong enough message to the remaining terrorists. They don't really see that at all. So I think the best action is a little coercion...Dress them up as the typical American Capitalist pig-dog (maybe a bit metrosexual even) and videotape them denouncing their actions, and the fundamentalist beliefs...maybe even get them to say a bit about how much they appreciate the great Christian/Jewish countries in the world and how all the soldiers who died fighting will be in heaven, and all those who fought using terror will not...I mean, I'm agnostic...and I don't believe any of this stuff, but that's not the point...It's about breaking a person, and making them into something they're not. It will show the remaining free terrorists how weak their fellow Al Qaeda members are, and I think it would be discouraging...
But if we can get them to do all that stuff in those other pictures, surely we can get them to do this...Just one tape, with all of them...preferably forcing them to say it in our language as well as theirs...that would be great...Obviously, don't get the torture part on tape...and if one of them refuses to do it, don't tape him either...make him disappear...into another prison or into a grave...whatever

[quote=Weitzel]
What we need to do is get out of Iraq on the deadline that has been set. If these sub-human retards decide they want to continue to screw with us, then I say we find every last one of them and torture them nearly to death and make them squander their remaining days in a small, dirty prison in Cuba. Sooner or later the world will stand in unison and stop these people, it's just a matter of time (and attacks on their own soil, mind you).

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Well

If we leave Iraq, then this entire operation will go up in smoke, and the Terrorists and Liberals will have a part together. thats not what i want. the iraqis cannot rule themselvbes, thas what people need to understand. they don't want to be free. they want to have an unfree un enequal islamic nation, and want to suffer just like the people of iran. you know that right? the iraqis were and are still out protesting us after we saved them from an evil dictator, and now they want us to leave so that they can have another evil dictator. that is why ameica must remain to guide the iraqi people.
You surely can't expect that the Iraqis are just going to renounce their religion and fall down before the Christian Gods? These people do not see the US as the delivery boy for "democracy", they only see the "infidel". Unfortunately, dropping bombs on their loved ones, and forcibly removing Iraqis from their homes, throwing them in jail and torturing them, only made matters worse.

The US invasion of Iraq has made the whole region far more destabilized and what will arise from this tilted plain, God only knows. Now the US forces will have to remain even though the Iraqis are just biding time until they can bid adieu. The US has plunked about 150,000 troops, smack dab in the middle a troubled country, in a troubled region. Iraq is surrounded by Iran, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia.

This is not the first time that western society has tried to whip a little "democracy" on Iraq, before them it was Britain, and that ended poorly. They say history repeats itself and I wonder if that is going to happen here. I do believe it has been a colossal waste of time, effort, money, and more importantly, lives.

Putin said it himself CanuckHeaven. He said it himself....
Let me try to be as childish...
<<<<<<
Bush said it himself Formal Dances. He said it himself....
and...and..
Blair said it himself Formal Dances. He said it himself....long time ago.

<<<end of simulation<<<

It seem like you give far more credibility to Putin and the KGB....than Bush and da CIA.

oh my god... and you are the one calling formal dances childish?
...can somebody please take my place and...

Yes I am the one...what do YOU have to say about that?
Seriously, if you have something to say, say it! Why wait for someone else to make your point for you?

(I typed out a whole long response and then lost it...darn internet)
This is a very sad situation. I'm a bit lost on what we should do from here... I am very much against the whole prison abuse thing (and the scandal that followed) But I'm not sure that I'm against some form of abuse to the prisoners that Al Qaeda was calling to be released (and those prisoners only...unless they could confirm that a certain new prisoner was someone who was actually involved in the execution) The biggest problem I see with beheading these prisoners, is that Al Qaeda will call "Martyr!! Look at what these Americans are doing to us- just because of what we believe! Stand up for Allah!" and I don't think we should give them that opportunity. However, although locking them up in prison for life might be the worst punishment for the prisoners, I don't think it sends a strong enough message to the remaining terrorists. They don't really see that at all. So I think the best action is a little coercion...Dress them up as the typical American Capitalist pig-dog (maybe a bit metrosexual even) and videotape them denouncing their actions, and the fundamentalist beliefs...maybe even get them to say a bit about how much they appreciate the great Christian/Jewish countries in the world and how all the soldiers who died fighting will be in heaven, and all those who fought using terror will not...I mean, I'm agnostic...and I don't believe any of this stuff, but that's not the point...It's about breaking a person, and making them into something they're not. It will show the remaining free terrorists how weak their fellow Al Qaeda members are, and I think it would be discouraging...
But if we can get them to do all that stuff in those other pictures, surely we can get them to do this...Just one tape, with all of them...preferably forcing them to say it in our language as well as theirs...that would be great...Obviously, don't get the torture part on tape...and if one of them refuses to do it, don't tape him either...make him disappear...into another prison or into a grave...whatever
You might not have noticed, but doing the above, only makes matters much worse. I can see why the internet crashed on your post?

no I didn't notice...I didn't realize we ever made them play "american"

I'm sick of this stupid death cult called islam. The more I learn about this "religion" the more vile it becomes. It's no wonder that islam is growing among the prison population. Who else but a bunch of murders, rapists, and child-molesters would want to convert to islam.ALL religion is a form of mind rot why just single out Islam?

This act of murder was not a response to "prisoner abuses" as many Liberals are claiming.

This act of murder is also an act of war. This is Jihad, the "righteous" war of Islam. Paul was not the first, nor will he be the last. "Sacred Beheadings" as they are called have taken place for years in areas of the world where Muslims desire control and don't have it. Indonesia, the Phillipines, Kashmir, all places where the desire Muslim fanatics have for control outweighs their adherence to their "peaceful" religion.

This is an act of war against the Western world. This is an act of war against the Christian world. This is an act of war against all parts of the world not controlled by Muslims.

Throughout all times, and in every place as we examine history, we see a common theme spring up in many instances. Tyranny. The desire of some to have unwavering power over others. Islamofascists have this desire, and they want to motivate their entire sector of the world into following them. The Quran is their "Mein Kampf". If the middle east is ever to be free, they must be destroyed.

Paul is a true martyr, a martyr for freedom, because it is true what they say, "Freedom isn't free." Freedom is paid for in blood. The blood of the courageous and the blood of the innocent must be exchanged for the blood of the despicable. For only when all of this despicable blood runs into the street can men truly be free. Only when those who abuse their freedom are dead can others truly enjoy being free.

This act of murder was not a response to "prisoner abuses" as many Liberals are claiming.

This act of murder is also an act of war. This is Jihad, the "righteous" war of Islam. Paul was not the first, nor will he be the last. "Sacred Beheadings" as they are called have taken place for years in areas of the world where Muslims desire control and don't have it. Indonesia, the Phillipines, Kashmir, all places where the desire Muslim fanatics have for control outweighs their adherence to their "peaceful" religion.

This is an act of war against the Western world. This is an act of war against the Christian world. This is an act of war against all parts of the world not controlled by Muslims.

Throughout all times, and in every place as we examine history, we see a common theme spring up in many instances. Tyranny. The desire of some to have unwavering power over others. Islamofascists have this desire, and they want to motivate their entire sector of the world into following them. The Quran is their "Mein Kampf". If the middle east is ever to be free, they must be destroyed.

Paul is a true martyr, a martyr for freedom, because it is true what they say, "Freedom isn't free." Freedom is paid for in blood. The blood of the courageous and the blood of the innocent must be exchanged for the blood of the despicable. For only when all of this despicable blood runs into the street can men truly be free. Only when those who abuse their freedom are dead can others truly enjoy being free.

Woah.

Woah, woah, woah.

First off....WICH Liberals are saying that this was in response to the prisoner abuses?

Im a liberal....Im not saying that.

Secondly....Paul Johnson was NOT a martyr.
He was a victim.

He was victim of a kidnapping, and brutal murder, by extremist assholes.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Dont confuse these pigs with normal followers of Islam.
Islamics are usually just as peaceful as Christians are...wich is to say, not at all.
These are your average Muslims.....these are violent, extremist, swine, who have lost their true faith and use Islam to wage thier private war.

Johnson had the misfortune the run across them.

Sad, but true.

This act of murder was not a response to "prisoner abuses" as many Liberals are claiming.

This act of murder is also an act of war. This is Jihad, the "righteous" war of Islam. Paul was not the first, nor will he be the last. "Sacred Beheadings" as they are called have taken place for years in areas of the world where Muslims desire control and don't have it. Indonesia, the Phillipines, Kashmir, all places where the desire Muslim fanatics have for control outweighs their adherence to their "peaceful" religion.

This is an act of war against the Western world. This is an act of war against the Christian world. This is an act of war against all parts of the world not controlled by Muslims.

Throughout all times, and in every place as we examine history, we see a common theme spring up in many instances. Tyranny. The desire of some to have unwavering power over others. Islamofascists have this desire, and they want to motivate their entire sector of the world into following them. The Quran is their "Mein Kampf". If the middle east is ever to be free, they must be destroyed.

Paul is a true martyr, a martyr for freedom, because it is true what they say, "Freedom isn't free." Freedom is paid for in blood. The blood of the courageous and the blood of the innocent must be exchanged for the blood of the despicable. For only when all of this despicable blood runs into the street can men truly be free. Only when those who abuse their freedom are dead can others truly enjoy being free.

Woah.

Woah, woah, woah.

First off....WICH Liberals are saying that this was in response to the prisoner abuses?

Im a liberal....Im not saying that.

Secondly....Paul Johnson was NOT a martyr.
He was a victim.

He was victim of a kidnapping, and brutal murder, by extremist assholes.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Dont confuse these pigs with normal followers of Islam.
Islamics are usually just as peaceful as Christians are...wich is to say, not at all.
These are your average Muslims.....these are violent, extremist, swine, who have lost their true faith and use Islam to wage thier private war.

Johnson had the misfortune the run across them.

Sad, but true.
And until thugs like these and the people supporting and supplying them lie dead in the streets, no one is safe, and the middle east will not be free.

This was another barbaric act of terrorism and murder. The killers are bastards. We have seen acts like this before: attacks on foreigners, especially westerners are unfortunately no exceptions.
I just recall all the attack against tourists in Egypt in the 1990s. Many were killed, for example at the massacer in Luxor 42 foreigners (mainly German, Austrian and Swiss tourists) were killed at the temple in Luxor.
I just say that to all who think that the current situation in Iraq is causing this series of terror. There was terrorism before and there is terrorism afterwards. One shouldn´t mix up the cause and the reaction. 9/11 took place before the action of Afghanistan and Iraq. The terrorists are going to continue their actions regardless of what the US or the west does or doesn´t do. No nation is safe from those bastards - also not the coalition of the unwilling.
We should not allow the terrorists to divide the west.

This act of murder was not a response to "prisoner abuses" as many Liberals are claiming.

This act of murder is also an act of war. This is Jihad, the "righteous" war of Islam. Paul was not the first, nor will he be the last. "Sacred Beheadings" as they are called have taken place for years in areas of the world where Muslims desire control and don't have it. Indonesia, the Phillipines, Kashmir, all places where the desire Muslim fanatics have for control outweighs their adherence to their "peaceful" religion.

This is an act of war against the Western world. This is an act of war against the Christian world. This is an act of war against all parts of the world not controlled by Muslims.

Throughout all times, and in every place as we examine history, we see a common theme spring up in many instances. Tyranny. The desire of some to have unwavering power over others. Islamofascists have this desire, and they want to motivate their entire sector of the world into following them. The Quran is their "Mein Kampf". If the middle east is ever to be free, they must be destroyed.

Paul is a true martyr, a martyr for freedom, because it is true what they say, "Freedom isn't free." Freedom is paid for in blood. The blood of the courageous and the blood of the innocent must be exchanged for the blood of the despicable. For only when all of this despicable blood runs into the street can men truly be free. Only when those who abuse their freedom are dead can others truly enjoy being free.

Woah.

Woah, woah, woah.

First off....WICH Liberals are saying that this was in response to the prisoner abuses?

Im a liberal....Im not saying that.

Secondly....Paul Johnson was NOT a martyr.
He was a victim.

He was victim of a kidnapping, and brutal murder, by extremist assholes.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Dont confuse these pigs with normal followers of Islam.
Islamics are usually just as peaceful as Christians are...wich is to say, not at all.
These are your average Muslims.....these are violent, extremist, swine, who have lost their true faith and use Islam to wage thier private war.

Johnson had the misfortune the run across them.

Sad, but true.
And until thugs like these and the people supporting and supplying them lie dead in the streets, no one is safe, and the middle east will not be free.

Yes, they are thugs, ansd yes, they should be shot.
But the Middle East, is never going to be free as long as the US continues to get personally involved.
We cant force them to behave.
Take Iraq, for example.

We can't force them to behave without force.

We're being sissies in Iraq. We defeated Saddam's military, big deal. We need to defeat the masses of extremists hiding in middle eastern countries in order to free them. Shoot the imams preaching "death to the infidels". Mow down the crowd that butchered and burned the American civilians. Then you'll see the true colors of the arabs. Normal human beings who want to live their lives freely and prosperously.

We can't force them to behave without force.

We're being sissies in Iraq. We defeated Saddam's military, big deal. We need to defeat the masses of extremists hiding in middle eastern countries in order to free them. Shoot the imams preaching "death to the infidels". Mow down the crowd that butchered and burned the American civilians. Then you'll see the true colors of the arabs. Normal human beings who want to live their lives freely and prosperously.

Are you listening to yourself?

Your advocating invading Islamic countries and killing thier religious leaders?

Who are you?

Anne Coulter??

@Ascensia,

I envy you for your optimism.
I think you should however look at some facts of the reality. There were free elections in Algeria in 1991. What was the result?? The islamists won. Fortunately the military took over and repressed those bastards.
I just say that to those who think that elections would be the solution to everything.
I think democratisation isn´t impossible. But it is going to need several decades.

Hmmm a few points.

1st some people here seem to think Liberals are the enemy which is odd.

2nd I really cannot understand why some people still think there is a link between Sadamn and Al Quada. In Britain where i live, the US staunchest ally on the war on Iraq Blair and co. never tried to tell us this and considering the public opposistion he met while taking us to war , I'm sure he would have done if he felt it was true. Sadamn was not a muslim and as a result did not get on with Al Quadia. Yes he did support terrorists, its well known he gave money to the families of suicide bombers in Palastine, but there is no strong evidence linking him to Al Quada. I still supported the war on the simple fact that Sadamn was evil and was represing his people. Iraq when we do leave will be a better country. and a final point on this I would trust Fox news ability to be impartial about as much as i would Al Jazera. I still don't quite understand why in America there is no requirement for the News to be impartial.

3rd. Yes there will be problems putting democracy in Iraq, there always is. When after WWI democracy was introduced to Germany, Hitler managed to come to power within 14 years. Now however Germany is a safe democratic nation. The same no doubt will be true for Iraq in the future.

Words from Al Qaeda website:

THE DEADLINE HAS PASSED. THE AMERICAN PAUL JOHNSON HAS BEEN BEHEADED. WE DEMAND THE US WITHDRAWAL FROM ALL THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE AMERICANS CONVERSION TO ISLAM. IF THESE DEMANDS ARE NOT MET WE WILL BEHEAD MORE AMERICANS.

Fucking savages

I'm sick of this stupid death cult called islam. The more I learn about this "religion" the more vile it becomes. It's no wonder that islam is growing among the prison population. Who else but a bunch of murders, rapists, and child-molesters would want to convert to islam.ALL religion is a form of mind rot why just single out Islam?

It Official! He's an Atheist

And until thugs like these and the people supporting and supplying them lie dead in the streets, no one is safe, and the middle east will not be free.

I have to agree with this statement. Its like confronting a school bully. Two ways to handle them.

1. Ignore them. Normally a school bully, when they see that your not listening to them, will back down! Or they go to the opposite extreme and force you to confront them

2. Smack him in the chops. Normally a good sift punch or kick that knocks him on his Butt, normally cures him. Of course, you'll get into trouble by administrators but the students will be happy that you knocked out a bully.

Treat these bullies like the second option. Smack him in the chops. For awhile we did the 1st option and we suffered massive casualties for it. Now we're doing option 2, going after these bullies.

Hmmm a few points.

1st some people here seem to think Liberals are the enemy which is odd.

2nd I really cannot understand why some people still think there is a link between Sadamn and Al Quada. In Britain where i live, the US staunchest ally on the war on Iraq Blair and co. never tried to tell us this and considering the public opposistion he met while taking us to war , I'm sure he would have done if he felt it was true. Sadamn was not a muslim and as a result did not get on with Al Quadia. Yes he did support terrorists, its well known he gave money to the families of suicide bombers in Palastine, but there is no strong evidence linking him to Al Quada. I still supported the war on the simple fact that Sadamn was evil and was represing his people. Iraq when we do leave will be a better country. and a final point on this I would trust Fox news ability to be impartial about as much as i would Al Jazera. I still don't quite understand why in America there is no requirement for the News to be impartial.

3rd. Yes there will be problems putting democracy in Iraq, there always is. When after WWI democracy was introduced to Germany, Hitler managed to come to power within 14 years. Now however Germany is a safe democratic nation. The same no doubt will be true for Iraq in the future.

People think liberals are the enemy because their siding with Al Quada. I guess the liberals in their hatered of America and all it represents are still upset that Reagan defeated the USSR and their chance for communism to destroy America so they'll team up with whatever enemies of America are left. As far the link between Iraq and Al Quada, I actually agree with there. Attacking Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Pakastan next would have made more sense but I guess Bush wanted Iraq for his father. As for your last point. Islam doesn't recognize a seperation of church and state so any democracy for arabs will soon turn into a theocratic dictatorship.

Hmmm a few points.

1st some people here seem to think Liberals are the enemy which is odd.

2nd I really cannot understand why some people still think there is a link between Sadamn and Al Quada. In Britain where i live, the US staunchest ally on the war on Iraq Blair and co. never tried to tell us this and considering the public opposistion he met while taking us to war , I'm sure he would have done if he felt it was true. Sadamn was not a muslim and as a result did not get on with Al Quadia. Yes he did support terrorists, its well known he gave money to the families of suicide bombers in Palastine, but there is no strong evidence linking him to Al Quada. I still supported the war on the simple fact that Sadamn was evil and was represing his people. Iraq when we do leave will be a better country. and a final point on this I would trust Fox news ability to be impartial about as much as i would Al Jazera. I still don't quite understand why in America there is no requirement for the News to be impartial.

3rd. Yes there will be problems putting democracy in Iraq, there always is. When after WWI democracy was introduced to Germany, Hitler managed to come to power within 14 years. Now however Germany is a safe democratic nation. The same no doubt will be true for Iraq in the future.

People think liberals are the enemy because their siding with Al Quada. I guess the liberals in their hatered of America and all it represents are still upset that Reagan defeated the USSR and their chance for communism to destroy America so they'll team up with whatever enemies of America are left. As far the link between Iraq and Al Quada, I actually agree with there. Attacking Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Pakastan next would have made more sense but I guess Bush wanted Iraq for his father. As for your last point. Islam doesn't recognize a seperation of church and state so any democracy for arabs will soon turn into a theocratic dictatorship.

Sorry False statement. Turkey isn't a Theocratic Dictatorship! it is a democracy and in NATO and an ally, questionable I admit but they did vote about it so that was Democracy in Action.

Turkey's government is currently a Muslim party but the country is a secular state and the army would proably stop any attempts to change this.

Sorry False statement. Turkey isn't a Theocratic Dictatorship! it is a democracy and in NATO and an ally, questionable I admit but they did vote about it so that was Democracy in Action.

Just wait, it won't be long.

Sorry False statement. Turkey isn't a Theocratic Dictatorship! it is a democracy and in NATO and an ally, questionable I admit but they did vote about it so that was Democracy in Action.

Just wait, it won't be long.

I'll take you up on that for I believe that it won't happen. I agree with Revorg and that the Military will prevent it because they know what a theocratic government can do. Look at what it did to Afghanistan.

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I know where you can get pictures of the execution already!! Telegram me for details.

That's sick! All i have to do is search Al Qaeda and i'l find the pics that way. I'm not going to because that is totally distastefull.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Some people have already been calling the war on terror a "holy war". I agree with those people, but not in the way they mean it. You see, people are meaning it's a war of Christians and Muslims. But the terrorists aren't pissed about Christians in general (ok, maybe they are, but that's not what they're mainly angry about). It's a war on the largest religion in America, which isn't actually Christianity; that's second.

Thomas Jefferson once called the US an "empire of liberty". The largest religion in America is a religion of liberty. This religion's creed was written by men like Jefferson, it's liturgy by men like Patrick Henry, it's doctrines by men like Monroe, and was founded by people whose only unifying desire was for liberty. This religion is adhered to by almost every American, from atheists to Christians to everyone else. That's the reason it says "In God we Trust" on our money and flags. It's talking more about the religion of liberty (under God) than anything else; it's may be rooted in Christianity, but it is because of liberty.

And so this has become a holy war of liberty against Islam (or at least against a significant portion of it). This is the religion the terrorists have declared holy war on; liberty. In this war, both sides will find martyrs, innocents on both sides will die, and one side will be victorious. But the victor will not be decided by the murders by terrorists, it will be decided by how we, the American people, choose to fight this war. We have to go back t our founding, to he first men who died for liberty, to see how it is we should truly fight for our cause. Wars for liberty are won in only one way: by fighting like the Patriots, and not like the redcoats.

Finally, I'd just like to say that I am religious; I'm a Christian, and I believe in liberty. The only flaw in the religion of liberty is that it's not real. The religion of liberty is nought without God at it's centre. And as long as this is the case in America, our liberty will prosper. "Qui transtulit sustinet" - He who transplanted us sustains us. Give me God and Liberty, or give me death.

I know where you can get pictures of the execution already!! Telegram me for details.

That's sick! All i have to do is search Al Qaeda and i'l find the pics that way. I'm not going to because that is totally distastefull.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

agreed. what pleasure does it give people to see a fellow american being slaughtered in such a barbaric way?

Maybe he isn't an american. That would explain it. Maybe he is an Al Qaeda sympathizer. could explain too.

.... the Pope sanctified and blessed the Third Crusaders, but even without such blessings I imagine that Barbarossa would have gone anyway, and I know for a fact Richard would have.


LOL....You know that for a fact?...are you Richard's cousin or something?

and you must be like more than 1000 years old. :)

Okay, I'll give you a few thoughts that back up my idea.

Richard, even growing up, had always been an ambitious person, hell bent on making his name in history. As the Third Crusade began to fall apart he was afraid his name would be sullied. He needed something to make a big splash - a Crusade fit the bill perfectly. It would be heroic, honorable, and the 'Christian' thing to do.

Richard was a very aggressive person, to the point of insanity. He had no qualms with hunting down his own father and killing him. Though he likely had an ammorous relationship with Philip Augustus, he lived for combat. Before he set out for the Crusade he held a Jousting Tournament to choose his lieutenants. In the process, he was unhorsed several times and nearly killed once. He came out of it all excited, ready to go.

Richard led from the front. He was not a modern general, one who sits at GHQ a few hundred miles away from combat. He was in combat whenever chance would allow. At the siege of Acre he had fallen ill with scurvey. Despite the incredible pain, the loss of hair and teeth, he ordered his servents to put him on his chair ontop of a hill. From his hill he shot Muslims when they presented themselves, particularly proud when he shot one through the heart.

Now this is the kicker. I'll have to explain this in depth. Richard couldn't drive on Jerusalem because the Muslims had poisoned the sources of water, rivers, streams, and lakes. As a result of that, he abandoned the pending siege and set out to capture Beirut. Seeing his forces gone, Salah al-Din set out to capture Jaffa. The siege was terrible, but the Crusaders - though sick, injured, and exhausted when Salah al-Din showed up - they fought like devil dogs. Despite their best efforts, they ended up holed up in the Citadel, considering surrender. Having heard of the siege and the desparation, Richard set sail to save the day.

A knight saw Richard's galleys approaching and realized help might not come: The Muslims had raised their banners all over the city, save the Citadel. When Salah al-Din saw Richard's galleys he ordered all his troops to the beach to stop a landing. That knight jumped from the citadel, ran through the Muslim lines on the beach, swam out to Richard's galley, and told him about the situation.

Richard stripped off the armor around his legs and waist, jumped of the galley, and began wading to shore. Just the sight of Melek-Ric (the Muslim nickname for Richard) sent the Muslim defenders fleeing in panic, about which Salah al-Din said "It seems one man is more mighty than an entire army". Richard, far out in front, led the way into battle - hell bent on getting his glory.

The troops disembarked and set up a beach head. That night Salah al-Din's Emirs pursuaded him to try to assassinate Melek-Ric - if they could kill him, it was argued, defeating his army would follow. The assassins failed, and all hell broke loose. Seven squadrons of Muslims cavalry (around 7,000 horsemen in total) poured from the hills. Richard set up his defense and beat the squadrons back. Now this is where he gets nuts.

Having repulsed the attack, Richard wades into the Muslim force and, according to several Muslim chroniclers, was at one point completely surrounded. He breaks his lance and draws his sword, fighting more brutally than the Muslims had seen before. At one point an over zealous Emir charged Richard and was cut from the right shoulder, down through the torso, and out under the left arm - the mangled portion of head and shoulder falling away. The Muslim force fell back, terribly afraid of this Melek-Ric, whom they considered a super-human figure.

At one point during the insane melee Richard was unhorsed - something the Muslims didn't think possible for the man. Salah al-Din, having grown to respect his adversary, dispatched his brother with two Yemenese horses, saying "Such a King should never fight on foot." The battle ended with a Muslim route.

Richard had fought so long, so hard, and with such reckless abandon that the blood, the gore, the smell, and the disease collapsed him on the spot. He was carried away, hovering between life and death. Despite being near death, he still made his normal, if not vain, threats to Salah al-Din.

By all accounts, by all chroniclers - Muslim, Christian, even Jew - Richard was the most ferocious soldier of the time. His life was forged around combat, battle, and fighting the good fight. He had few other interests, aside from perhaps Falconing and his weapon of choice, the crossbow. He was a man hell bent on combat, fighting, and winning. There was little else in the man's mind.

With that in mind, that combat was the center of his being, what do you think? Do you think he would have passed up a chance for combat? Given the fact that he was "...the first to ride into battle and the last to withdraw from the field...", do you think he would have passed up the chance - even if there was no Papal blessing?

I think not.

But no, I'm not his cousin. Perhaps I was in a previous life, but not now.

Later we can discuss the Hospitallers and how, after taking communion, they were probably the most violent, horrendous, blood thirsty soldiers until the Bezerkergangs of Scandanavia. :)

The world knows that the KGB is more reliable than the CIA. The CIA couldn't even predict 911. They falsly reported Saddam has weapons of mass destruction while the KGB reported there were no WMD's in Iraq.
The CIA said bin laden was in Sudan and the KGB said he wasn't. When they bombed Sudan, it turned out he wasn't there after all.
Heck, the KGB even predicted China's current economic crises. And they are going so far as to predict the reelection of G W Bush.

btw, Paul Johnson might be alive cause the body they found turned out to be someone elses.
And the body on the video might be someone else.

btw, Paul Johnson might be alive cause the body they found turned out to be someone elses.
And the body on the video might be someone else.

No Paul Johnson is Dead. They no that he is dead. They just haven't found the body.

@Ascensia,

I envy you for your optimism.
I think you should however look at some facts of the reality. There were free elections in Algeria in 1991. What was the result?? The islamists won. Fortunately the military took over and repressed those bastards.
I just say that to those who think that elections would be the solution to everything.
I think democratisation isn´t impossible. But it is going to need several decades.
Which is why we must first purge extremists from the country's population. Iraq is a perfect example of how this could be done. Remvoe oppressive government, extremists all expose themselves in the power grab that follows, mow them down. Then free elections can take place with reasonable individuals.