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Sadely I have to go with Kerry in this election. He is a tiney bit better then Bush. Now if you think i am some hippy liberal you can check out my previous posts and you will relise I am a conservitive. The thing is at least with Kerry he is a masecusets liberal but at least with him we can get international support and as much as I hate to say this we may need the French and the Germans help. And with Bush destrying our economy and his war mongering tactics he is starting to scare me. Man I really do wish they elected MCcain so we did not have to decide between to morons.

My vote goes for: all of them suck!

if I could vote, I would vote for bush. He knows what the economy needs and Kerry would wreck it. Kerry is soft on National Defense, voting against the weapons we use.

Vote for: None of the above.

Thats on the ballot right?

if I could vote, I would vote for bush. He knows what the economy needs and Kerry would wreck it. Kerry is soft on National Defense, voting against the weapons we use.

I'm willing to bet you don't know a gosh darn thing about Kerry. I imagine you believe what you have heard.. I bet you didn't have a clue who this man was 2 years ago...

Any one else want to bet?

if I could vote, I would vote for bush. He knows what the economy needs and Kerry would wreck it. Kerry is soft on National Defense, voting against the weapons we use.

I'm willing to bet you don't know a gosh darn thing about Kerry. I imagine you believe what you have heard.. I bet you didn't have a clue who this man was 2 years ago...

Any one else want to bet?

Well excuse me. Name one thing he has said right about the economy. He is soft on defense. Check his voting record when it comes to national defense. He didn't vote for the 80+ billion dollar bill. He didn't vote for the M1 abrahm or half of what our military has today, he voted against. He is wrong on the economy too. We are not in a depression, never was in a depression. Recession yes, depression no. Wrong on Defense and lieing about the economy. Sorry. My family is voting bush, and If I could, I would too.

look, i know that bush has caught a lot of heat for WMD and the prison problems but really, look at john kerry. A classic tax and spend liberal who changes his positions more often than most people change their socks. He has been as far as i know both for and against the war, both for and against funding it, both for and against abortion, both for and against the patriot act, both for and against the gulf war, and for some reason he feels in necessary to go around the country saying the economy is bad when the united states is not only the most rich nation on earth with the highest standard of living but also the fastest growing industrialized economy on the face of the planet. When i see all that rhetoric billowing from john kerry i follow bill clintons example. I Dont inhale.

if I could vote, I would vote for bush. He knows what the economy needs and Kerry would wreck it. Kerry is soft on National Defense, voting against the weapons we use.

I'm willing to bet you don't know a gosh darn thing about Kerry. I imagine you believe what you have heard.. I bet you didn't have a clue who this man was 2 years ago...

Any one else want to bet?

Well excuse me. Name one thing he has said right about the economy. He is soft on defense. Check his voting record when it comes to national defense. He didn't vote for the 80+ billion dollar bill. He didn't vote for the M1 abrahm or half of what our military has today, he voted against. He is wrong on the economy too. We are not in a depression, never was in a depression. Recession yes, depression no. Wrong on Defense and lieing about the economy. Sorry. My family is voting bush, and If I could, I would too.

Oh my! What a narrow view, let me guess under 20? The world may have changed on 9/11, but it didn't start there.

Since they were your statements.. I want you to please explain each one of those to me, why is he those things? You brought it up, now you back it up!

I like Nader.

if I could vote, I would vote for bush. He knows what the economy needs and Kerry would wreck it. Kerry is soft on National Defense, voting against the weapons we use.

I'm willing to bet you don't know a gosh darn thing about Kerry. I imagine you believe what you have heard.. I bet you didn't have a clue who this man was 2 years ago...

Any one else want to bet?

Well excuse me. Name one thing he has said right about the economy. He is soft on defense. Check his voting record when it comes to national defense. He didn't vote for the 80+ billion dollar bill. He didn't vote for the M1 abrahm or half of what our military has today, he voted against. He is wrong on the economy too. We are not in a depression, never was in a depression. Recession yes, depression no. Wrong on Defense and lieing about the economy. Sorry. My family is voting bush, and If I could, I would too.
heh...like proving someone elses point?

Economy:

Jobs are on a scale not seen since the Reagan Administration according to the sources I follow.

Outsourcing- another J.K. view point saying it is crippling our economy. out of all the jobs lost, only 4,633 were lost to outsourcing

Back to jobs-947,000 jobs created in 2 months! from August of last year, 1.4 million created.

Economy is growing by leaps and bounds not seen in 20 years.

Voting Record:

Go to the Senet website, look up Kerry and see what he has voted against when it comes to defense.

He supported the War in Iraq by voting for it now he is 100% against it. When called on this, he says that its questioning his patriotism. (He says that alot by the way when questioned on his voting record.)

Personal Appearence:

Sucks. He'll lose on that alone

Kerry is a flip flopper and we can't have that. He'll go to the UN for every little thing. Before you jump the gun hun, Bush did go to the UN for Iraq but our so called ally France, blocked. Amazingly enough the NATO Defense Council, which France isn't a member but Germany and another Euro nation on the UN is, voted for Iraq. (tidbit you didn't know I bet! Thanks Dad)

Is that enough or do you want more? Oh and I am 15 years and it seems I know what is going on around me more than you do! I keep up with the business world because my mother is in marketing and My dad is overseas fighting.

If I could vote, I'd probably vote for Kerry. Nader suits my beliefs better, but as I'm sure everyone's already heard this millions of times, the important thing is getting Bush out and the best chance is Kerry. Kerry is a flip flopper, but it's better than someone's who's consistently wrong. Bush was able to destroy the economy. about a 5.6 trillion surplus at the end of Clinton to 5.6 trillion deficit. Now, if Bush is so good on the economy, how did he manage that? Trust me, it's not Clinton's fault. For more reasons why, try looking at the state of the US without your political, racial, and religious biases. You'll see that this place is being screwed.

lLook I hate this guy to but he is better then Bush. We have to elect a president and if no one votes Bush stays in office. What I am saying is we should just choose the lesser of 2 evils and that is Kerry. Sure the guy does sound like a jerk half of the time but we need a new president. And besides in the next election we can then vote for someone else because next time we may have a true conservitive. Note a wanabe like Bush.

If I could vote, I'd probably vote for Kerry. Nader suits my beliefs better, but as I'm sure everyone's already heard this millions of times, the important thing is getting Bush out and the best chance is Kerry. Kerry is a flip flopper, but it's better than someone's who's consistently wrong. Bush was able to destroy the economy. about a 5.6 trillion surplus at the end of Clinton to 5.6 trillion deficit. Now, if Bush is so good on the economy, how did he manage that? Trust me, it's not Clinton's fault. For more reasons why, try looking at the state of the US without your political, racial, and religious biases. You'll see that this place is being screwed.

Recession started under Clinton incase you've forgotten. Then we had a massive Terror attack and stocks plummeted alot. Then when it looks like it was about to recover, corporate scandels hit. On top of that, we are fighting a war on terror. A war costs money. We'll have a surplus again. You can bet money on that. Why should we elect someone who will roll back a tax cut that is helping to revitalize the US Economy and who will not do a thing unless the UN says so. If you ask me, Bush is better than Kerry.

lLook I hate this guy to but he is better then Bush. We have to elect a president and if no one votes Bush stays in office. What I am saying is we should just choose the lesser of 2 evils and that is Kerry. Sure the guy does sound like a jerk half of the time but we need a new president. And besides in the next election we can then vote for someone else because next time we may have a true conservitive. Note a wanabe like Bush.

We did elect Bush. Yes gore won the POPULAR VOTE but not the ELECTORAL VOTE and the ELECTORAL VOTE is more important. Before you say he stole Florida, I followed the recount when I wasn't in school. From what I've heard, and this is from alot of other sources, not just Fox News, is that Bush was GAINING MORE VOTES than GORE. Bush would've won Florida before the US Supreme caught the Florida Supreme Court (Mostly all DEMS i might add) rewriting Florida Election laws.

Kerry is worse than Bush. He is a total flip flopper, can't stand for one thing before switching sides. Bush stays with his guns and ADMITTS WHEN HE'S WRONG! He is as honest as any politician will get. Kerry spouts lies! Yes Bush has lied too but apologizes when he is wrong. Kerry hasn't yet.

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I'm glad to hear him suggesting what Incertonia recently suggested; to not worry so much about the national levels and worry about local govt.!!Damn 8) :idea: that makes so much sense. Thanks Incertonia for making me consider the baby steps! I am always jumping ahead and trying to move mountains all at once rather than by shoveling bit by bit.

Sorry I have to vote Kerry.

My income has gone down and my cost of living continusly rises. His bill to reduce medicine costs seems to be a win-win. Win for the phrams and a win for insurence.

For all the "job creation" the same people I know that were out of work are either still out of work or living on a substandard wage.

For all the good times talk I don't see it.

I think I read somewhere that Ohio has some counties where the unemployment rate w\as like a 21% (largely manufactoring which was sent overseas). ;)

I am not seeing it where I live. Many many stores going out of business but at least we have Starbucks and McDonalds and Walmart! :roll:

Finally for the attacks on the Constitution, I can't vote for the Shrub. As Franklin once said!

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

FD, I think you should take a read on the evidence of how Florida was stolen. "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" - ar at least get me something that refutes the evidence in there.

I always ask for it but never see it.

Sadly Bush is Illigitimate :oops: He won neither the popular nor the electoral vote.

Right on Formal Dances! You sure know what's going on. And lets not forget, Kerry is always pointing at the jobs lost during Bush's administration and his broken promises.

This is a POLITICAL ATTACK! Have you forgotten 9/11? Maybe you meant to forget. The reason that so many jobs were lost, the reason that the economy WAS in the toilet for some time was because of the attacks of 9/11! And you know what? The 9/11 attacks cost the US economy trillions of dollars in the public AND PRIVATE sector as well as thousands of innocent lives. Lets not forget that 9/11 was a COMPLETELY unprovoked attack. In fact, if anything, Bin Laden's organization should have felt quite safe after inaction from previous administrations in the first WTC bombings, the US embassy bombings, the USS Cole Attack, etc. All of these were perpetrated by Bin Laden's thugs, yet nothing was done about it.

As for Bush's broken promises, he has kept as many as he's been able to, but a war against terrorism after an attack sure costs a lot and redirects priorities.

Let me ask you Kerry supporters this about the War in Iraq and Afghanistan...this is an excerpt of an editorial I wrote to our local paper:

"Why attack Afghanistan (ground zero for the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden)? This is where the perpetrators of the unprovoked and terrible attacks of September 11th spawned, were aided, trained, and abetted. Would the nay sayers to the current war in Iraq have honestly endorsed the attack in Afghanistan (which most have supported) prior to September 11th? Of course not, and nor would have I! Who could have imagined that fateful September morning? Not me. The more appropriate question is will we wait until there is another attack like September 11th (or worse) before we take action against a country and/or organization supportive and capable of such attacks on America? The inevitable cost of not doing so will be measured in thousands of innocent lives, millions of jobs, and trillions of dollars; much more than what any war in Iraq will cost."

Bush definitely needs to learn how to defend his points better though, I agree to that. Lately he's speaches/comments are being too PC and just for PR...he really needs to say the hell with some Americans and their partisan stance. Let me tell you, regardless of what Kerry says, if 9/11 would have happened under his or Gore's watch, they wouldn't have done jack! It probably would have been a replay of the USS Cole incident. A few tomohawk missles into Afghanistan and that's it. Democrats are pussies.

And don't give me this international support thing...we had the world behind us during the war in Afghanistan AND Iraq! The only major countriese not on the bus were France, Germany, and Russia. Is that the rest of the world????

Today the economy is booming, jobs are on the rise, taxes are low, and interest rates are at their lowest point in 30 or 40 years! What more do you want? If your income has gone down, well I won't resort to personal insults.

Open your eyes people!

Sorry I have to vote Kerry.

My income has gone down and my cost of living continusly rises. His bill to reduce medicine costs seems to be a win-win. Win for the phrams and a win for insurence.

For all the "job creation" the same people I know that were out of work are either still out of work or living on a substandard wage.

For all the good times talk I don't see it.

I think I read somewhere that Ohio has some counties where the unemployment rate w\as like a 21% (largely manufactoring which was sent overseas). ;)

I am not seeing it where I live. Many many stores going out of business but at least we have Starbucks and McDonalds and Walmart! :roll:

Finally for the attacks on the Constitution, I can't vote for the Shrub. As Franklin once said!

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

As much as I love to say this, only about 4 thousand jobs was shipped overseas.

1.4 million jobs created since Aug 03! nearly One million in 2 months. Jobs? I'm seeing them. Every store is hearing, every department is hiring, every sector is hiring. Manufacturing Jobs are on an INCREASE in this country.

FD, I think you should take a read on the evidence of how Florida was stolen. "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" - ar at least get me something that refutes the evidence in there.

I always ask for it but never see it.

Sadly Bush is Illigitimate :oops: He won neither the popular nor the electoral vote.
Thats because most of us don't feel like buying books and spending a few hours reading them for the sole purpose of refuting people on message boards.

just because the economy is in the situation it's in doesn't mean it's bush's fault. he was handed an administration that was total crap. he's done what he could to change it, and things are getting back on the right track. my vote is for bush, i want to see where he can take us in the next 4 years.

By the way, Formal, where are you getting this two month - one million job figure. Its in the past three months and about one million jobs have been created.

248,000 in May, 346,000 in April, and 353,000 in March - thats 947,000 jobs if I'm not mistaken - with revisions like those seen in the past two months it could top one million.

Right on Formal Dances! You sure know what's going on. And lets not forget, Kerry is always pointing at the jobs lost during Bush's administration and his broken promises.

This is a POLITICAL ATTACK! Have you forgotten 9/11? Maybe you meant to forget. The reason that so many jobs were lost, the reason that the economy WAS in the toilet for some time was because of the attacks of 9/11! And you know what? The 9/11 attacks cost the US economy trillions of dollars in the public AND PRIVATE sector as well as thousands of innocent lives. Lets not forget that 9/11 was a COMPLETELY unprovoked attack. In fact, if anything, Bin Laden's organization should have felt quite safe after inaction from previous administrations in the first WTC bombings, the US embassy bombings, the USS Cole Attack, etc. All of these were perpetrated by Bin Laden's thugs, yet nothing was done about it.

As for Bush's broken promises, he has kept as many as he's been able to, but a war against terrorism after an attack sure costs a lot and redirects priorities.

Let me ask you Kerry supporters this about the War in Iraq and Afghanistan...this is an excerpt of an editorial I wrote to our local paper:

"Why attack Afghanistan (ground zero for the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden)? This is where the perpetrators of the unprovoked and terrible attacks of September 11th spawned, were aided, trained, and abetted. Would the nay sayers to the current war in Iraq have honestly endorsed the attack in Afghanistan (which most have supported) prior to September 11th? Of course not, and nor would have I! Who could have imagined that fateful September morning? Not me. The more appropriate question is will we wait until there is another attack like September 11th (or worse) before we take action against a country and/or organization supportive and capable of such attacks on America? The inevitable cost of not doing so will be measured in thousands of innocent lives, millions of jobs, and trillions of dollars; much more than what any war in Iraq will cost."

Bush definitely needs to learn how to defend his points better though, I agree to that. Lately he's speaches/comments are being too PC and just for PR...he really needs to say the hell with some Americans and their partisan stance. Let me tell you, regardless of what Kerry says, if 9/11 would have happened under his or Gore's watch, they wouldn't have done jack! It probably would have been a replay of the USS Cole incident. A few tomohawk missles into Afghanistan and that's it. Democrats are pussies.

And don't give me this international support thing...we had the world behind us during the war in Afghanistan AND Iraq! The only major countriese not on the bus were France, Germany, and Russia. Is that the rest of the world????

Today the economy is booming, jobs are on the rise, taxes are low, and interest rates are at their lowest point in 30 or 40 years! What more do you want? If your income has gone down, well I won't resort to personal insults.

Open your eyes people!

Thanks El! My dad lost a friend on the USS Cole and he was HAPPY that he was ordered with his troops to go to Iraq to refight Saddam. I wasn't but it is his job and my mom and I have made the best of it. I do miss him but I do talk to him by email. He is proud of what he is doing over their and he says that troop morale is HIGH not low as some reports have indicated. I know your not supposed to believe everything that is in a news report but the Economic News is true as is why we are fighting in Iraq, to bring Freedom to an oppressed people.

just because the economy is in the situation it's in doesn't mean it's bush's fault. he was handed an administration that was total crap. he's done what he could to change it, and things are getting back on the right track. my vote is for bush, i want to see where he can take us in the next 4 years.

Welllllll

Under Clinton, my Income went up and my expenses only climbed a little.

It's funny but Clintons administration and "good times" was really Reagans doing because it takes 10+ years for an economy policy to really kick in.

But The Shrub appears and its Clintons fault?

I guess it is a "class" thing.

In our company, the execs love the Shrub!

The work force does not like him!

Why is that?

By the way, Formal, where are you getting this two month - one million job figure. Its in the past three months and about one million jobs have been created.

248,000 in May, 346,000 in April, and 353,000 in March - thats 947,000 jobs if I'm not mistaken - with revisions like those seen in the past two months it could top one million.

Sorry, got my months wrong. Your right it was between March and May. Thanks for the correction!

I'm voting for Kerry, too. I like him, I trust him, and anyone is better than Bush.

just because the economy is in the situation it's in doesn't mean it's bush's fault. he was handed an administration that was total crap. he's done what he could to change it, and things are getting back on the right track. my vote is for bush, i want to see where he can take us in the next 4 years.

Welllllll

Under Clinton, my Income went up and my expenses only climbed a little.

It's funny but Clintons administration and "good times" was really Reagans doing because it takes 10+ years for an economy policy to really kick in.

But The Shrub appears and its Clintons fault?

I guess it is a "class" thing.

In our company, the execs love the Shrub!

The work force does not like him!

Why is that?

Could it possibly be that the Bush Administration is trying to create jobs with ACROSS THE BOARD tax cuts? Oh did you receive yours and invested it wisely?

Sorry I have to vote Kerry.

My income has gone down and my cost of living continusly rises. His bill to reduce medicine costs seems to be a win-win. Win for the phrams and a win for insurence.

For all the "job creation" the same people I know that were out of work are either still out of work or living on a substandard wage.

For all the good times talk I don't see it.

I think I read somewhere that Ohio has some counties where the unemployment rate w\as like a 21% (largely manufactoring which was sent overseas). ;)

I am not seeing it where I live. Many many stores going out of business but at least we have Starbucks and McDonalds and Walmart! :roll:

Finally for the attacks on the Constitution, I can't vote for the Shrub. As Franklin once said!

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

As much as I love to say this, only about 4 thousand jobs was shipped overseas.

1.4 million jobs created since Aug 03! nearly One million in 2 months. Jobs? I'm seeing them. Every store is hearing, every department is hiring, every sector is hiring. Manufacturing Jobs are on an INCREASE in this country.

Again. you job export numbers? Where do you get them?

Department stores imply part time work.

Manufacturing? Is that defined by the Shrubs definition that FastFood is really a manufactoring job? :wink:

i am for bush mainly because
A. i think kerry is a traitor he got a ton of rewards for Vietnam and then he said they were worthless
B. because bush is going somewhere and kerry isn't .
C. bush has done a lot it takes two years for things to effect the economy at all and i don't want kerry to get the credit

If your income has gone down, well I won't resort to personal insults.


No you will just imply them.

Even with my decline, I bet I still make more then you slick!

just because the economy is in the situation it's in doesn't mean it's bush's fault. he was handed an administration that was total crap. he's done what he could to change it, and things are getting back on the right track. my vote is for bush, i want to see where he can take us in the next 4 years.

Welllllll

Under Clinton, my Income went up and my expenses only climbed a little.

It's funny but Clintons administration and "good times" was really Reagans doing because it takes 10+ years for an economy policy to really kick in.

But The Shrub appears and its Clintons fault?

I guess it is a "class" thing.

In our company, the execs love the Shrub!

The work force does not like him!

Why is that?

it must be "class" thing then. i would consider myself working class. i don't even make $25k a year. in the past year i've seen an increase in the number of job openings, the number of employees working here, and the amount i'm getting paid. things went sour around 9/11, but they're back on the up and up.

so what expenses are you talking about? the price of rent around here has actually gone DOWN in the past year.

Sorry I have to vote Kerry.

My income has gone down and my cost of living continusly rises. His bill to reduce medicine costs seems to be a win-win. Win for the phrams and a win for insurence.

For all the "job creation" the same people I know that were out of work are either still out of work or living on a substandard wage.

For all the good times talk I don't see it.

I think I read somewhere that Ohio has some counties where the unemployment rate w\as like a 21% (largely manufactoring which was sent overseas). ;)

I am not seeing it where I live. Many many stores going out of business but at least we have Starbucks and McDonalds and Walmart! :roll:

Finally for the attacks on the Constitution, I can't vote for the Shrub. As Franklin once said!

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

As much as I love to say this, only about 4 thousand jobs was shipped overseas.

1.4 million jobs created since Aug 03! nearly One million in 2 months. Jobs? I'm seeing them. Every store is hearing, every department is hiring, every sector is hiring. Manufacturing Jobs are on an INCREASE in this country.

Again. you job export numbers? Where do you get them?

Department stores imply part time work.

Manufacturing? Is that defined by the Shrubs definition that FastFood is really a manufactoring job? :wink:

My god, don't you follow the Business section of the Paper as well as the Job Market Reports that go out over the News stations every month?

Black Forest...why do working people love Clinton as well as other Democrats apparently?

I wish I knew, but it appears to be because Democrats promise these people socialism yet never deliver. They then blame their lack of delivery on the Republicans and people believe them!

Why are Democrats these days so hell bent on this class warfare? This re-distribution of wealth? It is all based on jealousy. It is hard to find anything written by a socialist (A liberal) that doesn't mention the billions of dollars that a corporation, or person has or has made legally. It is pure envy.

They excuse their own laziness, unluckyness, or stupidity by pointing at another and convincing themselves that the only reason that they don't have that kind of money or power is because the other stole it from him!

I encourage everyone to visit other countries outside of the US like me, spend some time there, then you'll see how great you have it here. Of course, everyone is looking for something free, and will vote for anyone who might give it to them.

srry for this post, i dont know why it posted on its own

i think theyre both not so great candidates, but my choice would be with bush. At least bush has a clear message. Kerry changes his stances every week, and hes on his 9th slogan now. In the long run i would rather have Bush than Kerry

Listen as I said before do you think I like Kerry. What I am saying is we may get international involvment in Iraq if we vote for Kerry because they will think their is someone new incharge and Kerry may help talk them into going their even if he is stupid and a masecusets Liberal. And sadely their is no one else that can do it because no one else has a chance of winning. And as I said read my posts and you will see I am a conservitive.

Black Forest...why do working people love Clinton as well as other Democrats apparently?

I wish I knew, but it appears to be because Democrats promise these people socialism yet never deliver. They then blame their lack of delivery on the Republicans and people believe them!

Why are Democrats these days so hell bent on this class warfare? This re-distribution of wealth? It is all based on jealousy. It is hard to find anything written by a socialist (A liberal) that doesn't mention the billions of dollars that a corporation, or person has or has made legally. It is pure envy.

They excuse their own laziness, unluckyness, or stupidity by pointing at another and convincing themselves that the only reason that they don't have that kind of money or power is because the other stole it from him!

I encourage everyone to visit other countries outside of the US like me, spend some time there, then you'll see how great you have it here. Of course, everyone is looking for something free, and will vote for anyone who might give it to them.

I visited 2 countries, Germany and Panama. My dad served in both countries.

I encourage everyone to visit other countries outside of the US like me, spend some time there, then you'll see how great you have it here.

so true! the only other country i'd actually be willing to live in is japan... but i don't think i could handle people looking at me like i'm some sort of small, white version of godzilla.

Listen as I said before do you think I like Kerry. What I am saying is we may get international involvment in Iraq if we vote for Kerry because they will think their is someone new incharge and Kerry may help talk them into going their even if he is stupid and a masecusets Liberal. And sadely their is no one else that can do it because no one else has a chance of winning. And as I said read my posts and you will see I am a conservitive.

How much more international cooperation do you want Yugoslavia??? Do you only think it's international when Germany, France, and Russia are involved? When the NOW EXPOSED CORRUPT UN is involved?

You're right, you must vote for the lesser of 2 evils. And that would be Bush!

Sorry I have to vote Kerry.

My income has gone down and my cost of living continusly rises. His bill to reduce medicine costs seems to be a win-win. Win for the phrams and a win for insurence.

For all the "job creation" the same people I know that were out of work are either still out of work or living on a substandard wage.

For all the good times talk I don't see it.

I think I read somewhere that Ohio has some counties where the unemployment rate w\as like a 21% (largely manufactoring which was sent overseas). ;)

I am not seeing it where I live. Many many stores going out of business but at least we have Starbucks and McDonalds and Walmart! :roll:

Finally for the attacks on the Constitution, I can't vote for the Shrub. As Franklin once said!

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

As much as I love to say this, only about 4 thousand jobs was shipped overseas.

1.4 million jobs created since Aug 03! nearly One million in 2 months. Jobs? I'm seeing them. Every store is hearing, every department is hiring, every sector is hiring. Manufacturing Jobs are on an INCREASE in this country.

Again. you job export numbers? Where do you get them?

Department stores imply part time work.

Manufacturing? Is that defined by the Shrubs definition that FastFood is really a manufactoring job? :wink:

My god, don't you follow the Business section of the Paper as well as the Job Market Reports that go out over the News stations every month?

Obviously I am missing something. Most likely because I am on heavy time consuming projects.

You have given an exact figure for job expotation which I am interested in since a couple vendors(Cisco for example) will not comment on the job exportation. Some even have policies in place as to not say where the call went....

I encourage everyone to visit other countries outside of the US like me, spend some time there, then you'll see how great you have it here.

so true! the only other country i'd actually be willing to live in is japan... but i don't think i could handle people looking at me like i'm some sort of small, white version of godzilla.

Listen as I said before do you think I like Kerry. What I am saying is we may get international involvment in Iraq if we vote for Kerry because they will think their is someone new incharge and Kerry may help talk them into going their even if he is stupid and a masecusets Liberal. And sadely their is no one else that can do it because no one else has a chance of winning. And as I said read my posts and you will see I am a conservitive.

How much more international cooperation do you want Yugoslavia??? Do you only think it's international when Germany, France, and Russia are involved? When the NOW EXPOSED CORRUPT UN is involved?

You're right, you must vote for the lesser of 2 evils. And that would be Bush!

Beat me too it El. And besides the IRAQIS don't want the UN in there. They may not like us in their country but they do appreciate the fact that WE DID get RID OF SADDAM while the UN didn't do a thing. Never backed up what was said in their resolutions apparently.

Black Forest...why do working people love Clinton as well as other Democrats apparently?

I wish I knew, but it appears to be because Democrats promise these people socialism yet never deliver. They then blame their lack of delivery on the Republicans and people believe them!

Why are Democrats these days so hell bent on this class warfare? This re-distribution of wealth? It is all based on jealousy. It is hard to find anything written by a socialist (A liberal) that doesn't mention the billions of dollars that a corporation, or person has or has made legally. It is pure envy.

They excuse their own laziness, unluckyness, or stupidity by pointing at another and convincing themselves that the only reason that they don't have that kind of money or power is because the other stole it from him!

I encourage everyone to visit other countries outside of the US like me, spend some time there, then you'll see how great you have it here. Of course, everyone is looking for something free, and will vote for anyone who might give it to them.

You know I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt until I read this....

For the record I have been to:

All of Great Britain.
Italy
Canda
Mexico
All 50 States
India
The Middle East
Singapore
South Korea(was almost born there as well)
Japan

Good day to you....

Black Forest...why do working people love Clinton as well as other Democrats apparently?

I wish I knew, but it appears to be because Democrats promise these people socialism yet never deliver. They then blame their lack of delivery on the Republicans and people believe them!

Why are Democrats these days so hell bent on this class warfare? This re-distribution of wealth? It is all based on jealousy. It is hard to find anything written by a socialist (A liberal) that doesn't mention the billions of dollars that a corporation, or person has or has made legally. It is pure envy.

They excuse their own laziness, unluckyness, or stupidity by pointing at another and convincing themselves that the only reason that they don't have that kind of money or power is because the other stole it from him!

I encourage everyone to visit other countries outside of the US like me, spend some time there, then you'll see how great you have it here. Of course, everyone is looking for something free, and will vote for anyone who might give it to them.

You know I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt until I read this....

For the record I have been to:

All of Great Britain.
Italy
Canda
Mexico
All 50 States
India
The Middle East
Singapore
South Korea(was almost born there as well)
Japan

Good day to you....

For the record He said everyone should visit a foreign nation. Besides you never did answer his question! (Giggles)

just because the economy is in the situation it's in doesn't mean it's bush's fault. he was handed an administration that was total crap. he's done what he could to change it, and things are getting back on the right track. my vote is for bush, i want to see where he can take us in the next 4 years.

Welllllll

Under Clinton, my Income went up and my expenses only climbed a little.

It's funny but Clintons administration and "good times" was really Reagans doing because it takes 10+ years for an economy policy to really kick in.

But The Shrub appears and its Clintons fault?

I guess it is a "class" thing.

In our company, the execs love the Shrub!

The work force does not like him!

Why is that?

Could it possibly be that the Bush Administration is trying to create jobs with ACROSS THE BOARD tax cuts? Oh did you receive yours and invested it wisely?

Well my tax "relief" was about $600 so yes I did invest it

I am not in a shooting contest Black Forest, I can already see your inferiority complex showing...your post is "very mature."

Since you're so mature, what did you think of these countries? Do you think just like every other liberal? That these countries are just like the US, just with a different language, architectural style, and religious belief?

Did you see anything in these countries? I have visited some of those countries you mentioned, and I see grave differences.

Good for you. My parents always say to invest money wisely. Probably why I haven't gone shopping in the last 2 weeks. (giggles)

I am not in a shooting contest Black Forest, I can already see your inferiority complex showing...your post is "very mature."

Since you're so mature, what did you think of these countries? Do you think just like every other liberal? That these countries are just like the US, just with a different language, architectural style, and religious belief?

Did you see anything in these countries? I have visited some of those countries you mentioned, and I see grave differences.

Oh ok.

Well since my inferiority complex is showing I won't waste my time on this thread anymore.

What my plan would be if I was incharge of the Republican party would be let Kerry get in. And instead of U.S. troops dying French and German troops would. And besides he can have his 4 year term but the next election I say we throuh his butt back into the street. And as I said before I do think Kerry is a commie but he will probably only have a 4year term after people relise what a fool this guy is.

if I could vote, I would vote for bush. He knows what the economy needs and Kerry would wreck it. Kerry is soft on National Defense, voting against the weapons we use.

Uh oh!!! So did Cheney! In fact, he not only voted against the weapons, he came out and openly stated that they were not needed. Try again, young caterpillar.

None of the above, none of them are fit to be the leader of a country.

Christ... the dittoheads are out tonight...

lLook I hate this guy to but he is better then Bush. We have to elect a president and if no one votes Bush stays in office. What I am saying is we should just choose the lesser of 2 evils and that is Kerry. Sure the guy does sound like a jerk half of the time but we need a new president. And besides in the next election we can then vote for someone else because next time we may have a true conservitive. Note a wanabe like Bush.

We did elect Bush. Yes gore won the POPULAR VOTE but not the ELECTORAL VOTE and the ELECTORAL VOTE is more important. Before you say he stole Florida, I followed the recount when I wasn't in school. From what I've heard, and this is from alot of other sources, not just Fox News, is that Bush was GAINING MORE VOTES than GORE. Bush would've won Florida before the US Supreme caught the Florida Supreme Court (Mostly all DEMS i might add) rewriting Florida Election laws.

Kerry is worse than Bush. He is a total flip flopper, can't stand for one thing before switching sides. Bush stays with his guns and ADMITTS WHEN HE'S WRONG! He is as honest as any politician will get. Kerry spouts lies! Yes Bush has lied too but apologizes when he is wrong. Kerry hasn't yet.

Bush admit when he was wrong? Are you kidding me? He hasn't. There was one press conference a while back when he was asked if there was any one thing he would do differently. He couldn't answer. That along with the fact that everytime investigators with the Iraq WMD or 9/11 came back and said something that was the opposite of what Bush has been saying all along, Bush denied it all.

Oh man, as much as I'd like to vote for Kerry to get rid of Bush, I don't think it would really matter. For one Kerry isn't that great.

But the main factor is that my state seems to have a large Republican backing (<sarcasm>Thank you Reagan!</sarcasm>), so Bush will most likely win the state. My plan is that if Bush or Kerry is winning by a large margin, I'm throwing a vote Nader's way to help support him, the Greens, and the left.

This will mainly to hope that the Democrats move to a more moderate or left wing position instead of staying in their right wing position.

But if it comes down to the wire, Kerry might get the vote afterall.

Sadely I have to go with Kerry in this election. He is a tiney bit better then Bush. Now if you think i am some hippy liberal you can check out my previous posts and you will relise I am a conservitive. The thing is at least with Kerry he is a masecusets liberal but at least with him we can get international support and as much as I hate to say this we may need the French and the Germans help. And with Bush destrying our economy and his war mongering tactics he is starting to scare me. Man I really do wish they elected MCcain so we did not have to decide between to morons.

1. If you're going to vote for Kerry (shudder) can't you think of real reason to do so? "At least Kerry is a Mass. Liberal" that's like saying "At least I KNOW my next door neighbor is a child rapist, I'm not sure about the other neighbor on the opposite side of my house." Dude, that's insane.

2. International Support? Did you not read the previous 17 UN Resolutions leading up to UN Res 1441? Which was voted Yes by France, Germany and Russia. Voting is a simple Yes or No, not a "Yes with conditions" or "No, with conditions". Russia, Germany, and France may have disagreed with what we were doing, but they voted for us. (Who can blame Russia, France and Germany for being against America, when they are getting BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS thru the UN Oil For Food scandal. I wouldn't wreck that money train if I was them.)

3 "as much as I hate to say this we may need the French and the Germans help." What do we need the French and German help for? We finished World War 1 and World War 2 without their "help". Infact both were on the opposite side (French Resistance, not included in that point) and were actively opposing us while we saved Europe from Europe, once again.

4 "And with Bush destrying our economy and his war mongering tactics he is starting to scare me."
Are you living in the same universe as I am? In the last three months we gained nearly 1 million jobs, and in the last 9 months since August 2003 we haev gained 1.4 million jobs. The economic numbers for the last few months have been revised UP from the preliminary job gain numbers.

Maybe you really have gone to the dark and gloomy side of John Kerry's "America" where a job gain is a bad thing, and having Saddam in power is a good thing for "World Peace"

Debating requires facts, not emotion. Fact empty, emotion filled statements are nothing more than idle arguing, I think you can do better.

- Free Virginia

1. You might be beyond all hope if you compare liberals to child rapists.

2. The resolution itself had conditions. Since the UN weapon inspectors were in Iraq and in the process of verifying that the WMDs were gone, the problem was well on its way to being resolved before Bush kicked the inspectors out. And if you think Bush was telling the truth when he claimed that Saddam didn't let the inspectors back in, I can provide plenty of news links to the contrary.

3. The French played against the Soviet Union in the game of mutually assured destruction while the Americans were building space lasers that didn't work. France sent troops to Afghanistan in 2001 to help fight the real terrorists.

4. The number of jobs as a fraction of the unretired working age population hasn't improved so much. Since population growth is about 250,000 per month, about 120,000-130,000 jobs would have to be added each month just to break even. These are rough estimates based on census data. The deficit isn't exactly helping.

John Kerry hasn't called job gain a bad thing. If you want to find quotes saying that having Saddam Hussein in power is a good thing, the easiest way is through Ronald Reagan and George Bush

Hey, I live in Massachusetts, and you really can't say if Kerry is a child rapist or not, I mean just think, Kennedy-Chappaquidick.

Sadely I have to go with Kerry in this election. He is a tiney bit better then Bush. Now if you think i am some hippy liberal you can check out my previous posts and you will relise I am a conservitive. The thing is at least with Kerry he is a masecusets liberal but at least with him we can get international support and as much as I hate to say this we may need the French and the Germans help. And with Bush destrying our economy and his war mongering tactics he is starting to scare me. Man I really do wish they elected MCcain so we did not have to decide between to morons.

Okay, here goes. But keep in mind I skipped over the past 3 pages. It seems like mostly childish squabling and something about child-rapists. Whatever.

First off, dear yugolsavia, learn to spell. In a text-only medium, how you type is how we can deduce your intelligence. And missspelling every other word is a bad start. You had, what, 10, 11 misspellings? And that's not even counting grammar. I assume you realize that you spelled your countries name wrong. Anyways, moving on.

You say we need Germany and France for our international negotiations. I'm sorry to say: Screw them. We don't really need them for anything. And remember how they were against the Iraq thing? (No, you don't know where this is going, so shut up and listen) Turns out they were both selling large amounts to them, and getting kickbacks on a lot of the oil or something like that, other people explained it better. They were selling items used in the production of WMD's to Iraq. And both countries are pretty messed up. The French bestseller is a conspiracy theorist about how Bin Laden was actually a CIA agent trying to destroy documents in the WTC or some othe bullcrap. Even if we had a new leader, they'd still call us "stupid Americans." And on another matter, they have pretty low economic standings. So no, we don't need kerry's brand of foreign affairs.

Also, Dear God, thank you for so many rational people voting for Bush. I thought the whole goddamned internet was liberal except for MooreWatch.

Bush actually wants to do something about terrorists. Kerry's plan is like: meh, we'll get em eventually. More on that later.

Kerry is a dipshit idiot. He's just capitlizing on how many people hate Bush. He's a flipflopping idiot who just wants to please the masses. He also sucks with the economy. I don't know if anyone's mentioned the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, but I will. It's a store of oil for pressing times (like aliens attacking). People are screaming for Bush to use it because in California I have to pay $2.51 a gallon (I blame that asswipe Gray Davis for that). Kerry, the "I'm not Bush" man, says he will use it. That is a BAD IDEA. It will only drop the price of gas for a few cents, all the while lowering our Strategic Reserve, making it that much less Strategic.

People sa "LOL yeah but bushs lost the moneys thta cilnton made us."

Wrong again, you crazy liberals.

Clinton had the fortune of being in power during the 4 most profitable stock years ever, and of course that drop unfortunately landed on Bush. Good ol' Bill, right before screwing that fat chick, also sold a lot of stuff to the Chinese. Sure, short term gain, but now their economy is bleeding us to death like a vampire bat. An Asian Vampire Bat.

Also, the whole Iraq thing. "Bush is going to war over oil and killing our troops and eating babies". Killing our troops? They're volunteers. If they didn't wan't to be in a war, then they shouldn't have taken that vow. Eating babies? Okay, you don't really hear that one so ften, but whatever. And the oil part is my speciality.

Saddam=BAD. Kills his own people, the whole place was hell. Now, if we went to war baased on that we would be bombing 70% of the world. You see, we had a double reason for Iraq. Saddam had WMD's before, used them on others and his own people, and has them now or was in the process of aquiring them for use. We even found Sarin, which leaves the possibilites open for more. You may say "but they found no WMD's!". Listen, if we gave you a year hide your wallet anywhere you wanted to in the block, and then didn't find it in an hour, would you say the wallet didn't exist? Hell, you could easily have hid the wallet in the other block right down the street. You could have cut the wallet into tiny peices and hid the peices all over the place. See the parallel yet? If you don't then you're an idiot. Iraq is nothing but sand. They hid a bunch of planes in the sand, and those just got found after a couple decades. They had the WMD's, or were getting them and would have used them against us or our allies.

Now, the oil. Oil is in shortage. Prices are up. If it keeps going up our economy is down the toilet, because people will make less money from work because a huge chunk get's taken out. They then spend less. The whole systems suffers. Unemployment going crazy. We need oil. No, we aren't going to blow up iraq and take their oil. We take a despotic dictator out of power, stabilize the region, and open up trade. The terrorists Saddam was allowing in the country get cracked down on. Less terror attacks. The region further stabilizes. All around good stuff.

Now, don't play the dumbest card in the deck. You're going to say "Bush is an idiot. My IQ is higher than his."

First off: no evidence supports that claim except for Will Ferrels excellent performances on SNL. I've outlined his wonderful strategies for you, so don't use his actions as evidence. And he surrounds himself with people who know things, furthering his resources.

As to IQ, well I don't know how you got a hold of the Presidents IQ, and there's a high possibilty of that being made up. But anyways:

Intelligence Quotient. Mental Age divided by real age, mulitplied by 100. A 12 year old with IQ 200 is as smart as an average 24 year old. So a 24 year old with only 110 is still smarter. Now, the Prez is old. Like 60. when you are that old, it gets unreliable. "Wait, he's mentally 120 years old?"

And finally, IQ testing is not entirely accurate. I know several people with pitfall IQ's who can do calculus wonderfully off the tops of their heads, and goths who write heartbreaking poetry. It's a bad system.

Okay folks, that was my presentation on "Why Kerry's and ass and Bush is good". Post your responses and always remember: A vote for Nader is like a Bag of flaming dog poop. It's funny but useless.

if I could vote, I would vote for bush. He knows what the economy needs and Kerry would wreck it. Kerry is soft on National Defense, voting against the weapons we use.


News flash for you.

Bush is ruining the economy..not fixing it.

Look up how well it was doing under Clinton.....now look at the current statictics.

This isnt opinion..its fact.

Also...the line about Kerry being "soft on defense".....you might be refering to a bill that Kerry voted against that Bush uses in his television ads......

It was PRE- 9/11.

Different times, different circumstances.

This is why you shouldnt listen to political campaign ads.

They dont tell the truth, and the whole point behind them, is to paint the opponent in a very bad light, to influence the way you think.

Kerry, on the other hand.....how many mus-slinging ads have you seen with him in them?

None.

as for Kerry being bad for the economy......he'll very likely use the same strategy as Clinton did.

And facts say that the U.S experienced its greatest period of ecenomic growth under Clinton.

So.....what does that tell you?

if I could vote, I would vote for bush. He knows what the economy needs and Kerry would wreck it. Kerry is soft on National Defense, voting against the weapons we use.
So.....what does that tell you?
That during a huge natural economic boom (dot com bubble, anyone?) you can raise taxes without seriously damaging the economy?

Duh.

if I could vote, I would vote for bush. He knows what the economy needs and Kerry would wreck it. Kerry is soft on National Defense, voting against the weapons we use.
So.....what does that tell you?
That during a huge natural economic boom (dot com bubble, anyone?) you can raise taxes without seriously damaging the economy?

Duh.

Try again.

Look at when the dot-com boom took off, and where it ended.
Plus, look at the full picture, and the gdp.

if I could vote, I would vote for bush. He knows what the economy needs and Kerry would wreck it. Kerry is soft on National Defense, voting against the weapons we use.
So.....what does that tell you?
That during a huge natural economic boom (dot com bubble, anyone?) you can raise taxes without seriously damaging the economy?

Duh.

Try again.

Look at when the dot-com boom took off, and where it ended.
Plus, look at the full picture, and the gdp.
The nation's economy also has natural up and downs. But you see, over time, it is constantly moving upwards. So, what may have been an economic boom 30 years ago is mildly depressing now. Clinton just happened to be in office during a boom. Economy then turns down and Liberals blame Bush. It's coming back up again, not as high as it was under Clinton (it was a peak, after all), but still above-par, why don't you people at least make actual arguements instead of just saying "Clinton good, Bush bad!"?

if I could vote, I would vote for bush. He knows what the economy needs and Kerry would wreck it. Kerry is soft on National Defense, voting against the weapons we use.
So.....what does that tell you?
That during a huge natural economic boom (dot com bubble, anyone?) you can raise taxes without seriously damaging the economy?

Duh.

Try again.

Look at when the dot-com boom took off, and where it ended.
Plus, look at the full picture, and the gdp.
The nation's economy also has natural up and downs. But you see, over time, it is constantly moving upwards. So, what may have been an economic boom 30 years ago is mildly depressing now. Clinton just happened to be in office during a boom. Economy then turns down and Liberals blame Bush. It's coming back up again, not as high as it was under Clinton (it was a peak, after all), but still above-par, why don't you people at least make actual arguements instead of just saying "Clinton good, Bush bad!"?

Becuase we like to use facts, and make sense?

Facts? Where? I don't see any. All I ever see is a single line graph showing Clinton's peak as higher than Bush's peak.

Guess what? Reagan's peak was higher than FDR's, does this make him a better President?

Facts? Where? I don't see any. All I ever see is a single line graph showing Clinton's peak as higher than Bush's peak.

Guess what? Reagan's peak was higher than FDR's, does this make him a better President?

Of course not, but you have to consider other factors as well.

F.D.R took a poor economy and turned it around.

So did Reagan, although in doing so, he tripled the national debt.

Clinton took an already good economy, and made it even better, THATS a rather difficult thing to do.
The DOT-COM BOOM, was possible largely due to a stable economy in wich to grow.

Bush, on the other hand took a huge surplus, and turned it into a huge deficit.
Thats poor management.

You can either vote for a complete dumbass or 'the lesser of 2 evils'.

How can it be so widely accepted that they are the only options to lead the most powerful nation in the world?