NationStates Jolt Archive


Who Rules America?

Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 21:55
I am sure that many people will immediately cry, "Hate", "Racism", and possibly, "Holocaust" in an attempt to silence debate and avoid the issues.

The main issue is that jews are just 1% of the United States population, yet there are 11 jews in the Senate (Out of 100 total) and there 23 in the House of Representatives (Out of 450) those are just the open jews, there are many jews who convert to Christianity in an attempt to blend in, but remember as the jews so often refer to themselves as the "Jewish people" or the "Jewish race", they are not a religion, they are a race, and as such changing their religion cannot change their race.


At least 45% of all CEOs are jewish, all major media is owned by jews. And to what ends do they use their control on the media? Has anybody ever heard a journalist or politician suggest we back the Arabs instead of Israel. Has anybody ever heard of the USS LIBERTY, the US naval ship that Israel attacked in 1967 to conceal their execution of Egyptian POWs in the Sinai, and to conceal they were readying to attack the Syrians at Golan Heights, an Israeli intelligence operative thought the US was going to fed information to the Arabs to prolong the conflict. Why he would think that who knows, America has backed Israel from the very beginning, despite the fact they have no oil, and they attack those who have the oil. If we really cared about oil, we'd back the Arabs. But no, we care about the New World Order and the politicians care about backing their Jewish Media Cabal.

http://www.ussliberty.org//
http://www.ussliberty.org//about.htm



Through their stranglehold on the world economy, jews are able to terrorize potential opponents into silence, and are able to dictate world opinion and world politics, they are a super power. Do not think that just because a jew is in America he is an American, they form a "State within a state", they always have been, still are, and always will be, foreign entities wherever they go. Their loyalties do not belong to their host nation, but rather they belong to the international jewish cabal.


Read and decide for yourself.









http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/

Who Rules America?
The Alien Grip on Our News and Entertainment Media Must Be Broken

By the Research Staff of National Vanguard Books
P.O. Box 330 · Hillsboro · West Virginia 24946 · USA


There is no greater power in the world today than that wielded by the manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even remotely approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's mass media of news and entertainment.

Their power is not distant and impersonal; it reaches into every home in America, and it works its will during nearly every waking hour. It is the power that shapes and molds the mind of virtually every citizen, young or old, rich or poor, simple or sophisticated.

The mass media form for us our image of the world and then tell us what to think about that image. Essentially everything we know -- or think we know -- about events outside our own neighborhood or circle of acquaintances comes to us via our daily newspaper, our weekly news magazine, our radio, or our television.

It is not just the heavy-handed suppression of certain news stories from our newspapers or the blatant propagandizing of history-distorting TV "docudramas" that characterizes the opinion-manipulating techniques of the media masters. They exercise both subtlety and thoroughness in their management of the news and the entertainment that they present to us.

For example, the way in which the news is covered: which items are emphasized and which are played down; the reporter's choice of words, tone of voice, and facial expressions; the wording of headlines; the choice of illustrations -- all of these things subliminally and yet profoundly affect the way in which we interpret what we see or hear.

On top of this, of course, the columnists and editors remove any remaining doubt from our minds as to just what we are to think about it all. Employing carefully developed psychological techniques, they guide our thought and opinion so that we can be in tune with the "in" crowd, the "beautiful people," the "smart money." They let us know exactly what our attitudes should be toward various types of people and behavior by placing those people or that behavior in the context of a TV drama or situation comedy and having the other TV characters react in the Politically Correct way.


Molding American Minds
For example, a racially mixed couple will be respected, liked, and socially sought after by other characters, as will a "take charge" Black scholar or businessman, or a sensitive and talented homosexual, or a poor but honest and hardworking illegal alien from Mexico. On the other hand, a White racist -- that is, any racially conscious White person who looks askance at miscegenation or at the rapidly darkening racial situation in America -- is portrayed, at best, as a despicable bigot who is reviled by the other characters, or, at worst, as a dangerous psychopath who is fascinated by firearms and is a menace to all law-abiding citizens. The White racist "gun nut," in fact, has become a familiar stereotype on TV shows.

The average American, of whose daily life TV-watching takes such an unhealthy portion, distinguishes between these fictional situations and reality only with difficulty, if at all. He responds to the televised actions, statements, and attitudes of TV actors much as he does to his own peers in real life. For all too many Americans the real world has been replaced by the false reality of the TV environment, and it is to this false reality that his urge to conform responds. Thus, when a TV scriptwriter expresses approval of some ideas and actions through the TV characters for whom he is writing, and disapproval of others, he exerts a powerful pressure on millions of viewers toward conformity with his own views.

And as it is with TV entertainment, so it is also with the news, whether televised or printed. The insidious thing about this form of thought control is that even when we realize that entertainment or news is biased, the media masters still are able to manipulate most of us. This is because they not only slant what they present, but they establish tacit boundaries and ground rules for the permissible spectrum of opinion.

As an example, consider the media treatment of Middle East news. Some editors or commentators are slavishly pro-Israel in their every utterance, while others seem nearly neutral. No one, however, dares suggest that the U.S. government is backing the wrong side in the Arab-Jewish conflict and that it served Jewish interests, rather than American interests, to send U.S. forces to cripple Iraq, Israel's principal rival in the Middle East. Thus, a spectrum of permissible opinion, from pro-Israel to nearly neutral, is established.

Another example is the media treatment of racial issues in the United States. Some commentators seem almost dispassionate in reporting news of racial strife, while others are emotionally partisan -- with the partisanship always on the non-White side. All of the media spokesmen without exception, however, take the position that "multiculturalism" and racial mixing are here to stay, and that they are good things.

Because there are differences in degree, however, most Americans fail to realize that they are being manipulated. Even the citizen who complains about "managed news" falls into the trap of thinking that because he is presented with an apparent spectrum of opinion he can escape the thought controllers' influence by believing the editor or commentator of his choice. It's a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation. Every point on the permissible spectrum of public opinion is acceptable to the media masters -- and no impermissible fact or viewpoint is allowed any exposure at all, if they can prevent it.

The control of the opinion-molding media is nearly monolithic. All of the controlled media -- television, radio, newspapers, magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each reinforcing the other. Despite the appearance of variety, there is no real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the great mass of people that might allow them to form opinions at odds with those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the world -- a world in which every voice proclaims the equality of the races, the inerrant nature of the Jewish "Holocaust" tale, the wickedness of attempting to halt the flood of non-White aliens pouring across our borders, the danger of permitting citizens to keep and bear arms, the moral equivalence of all sexual orientations, and the desirability of a "pluralistic," cosmopolitan society rather than a homogeneous, White one. It is a view of the world designed by the media masters to suit their own ends -- and the pressure to conform to that view is overwhelming. People adapt their opinions to it, vote in accord with it, and shape their lives to fit it.

And who are these all-powerful masters of the media? As we shall see, to a very large extent they are Jews. It isn't simply a matter of the media being controlled by profit-hungry capitalists, some of whom happen to be Jews. If that were the case, the ethnicity of the media masters would reflect, at least approximately, the ratio of rich gentiles to rich Jews. Despite a few prominent exceptions, the preponderance of Jews in the media is so overwhelming that we are obliged to assume that it is due to more than mere happenstance.


Electronic News & Entertainment Media
Continuing government deregulation of the telecommunications industry has resulted, not in the touted increased competition, but rather in an accelerating wave of corporate mergers and acquisitions that have produced a handful of multi-billion-dollar media conglomerates. The largest of these conglomerates are rapidly growing even bigger by consuming their competition, almost tripling in size during the 1990s. Whenever you watch television, whether from a local broadcasting station or via cable or a satellite dish; whenever you see a feature film in a theater or at home; whenever you listen to the radio or to recorded music; whenever you read a newspaper, book, or magazine -- it is very likely that the information or entertainment you receive was produced and/or distributed by one of these megamedia companies.

AOL-TW. The largest media conglomerate today is AOL-Time Warner, created when America Online bought Time Warner for $160 billion in 2000. The merger brought together Steve Case, a White gentile, as chairman of AOL-TW, and Gerald Levin, a Jew, as the CEO. A brief history of the company is in order.

The four (gentile) Warner brothers founded their movie company in 1907 and had their first major success ten years later with My 4 Years in Germany. WB incorporated in 1923 and went on to cartoon success with Porky Pig and Bugs Bunny. In 1944, a court ruled that WB must release Olivia de Havilland after her seven-year contract. This decision prevented any one company from controlling a pool of creative talent, but it did nothing to stop the Jews from controlling the entire industry with which that talent was obliged to work. In 1948, WB sold its film library to MGM. In 1949, another court ruling forced WB to sell its cinema chain, obstructing vertical integration by a single movie-making company, while doing nothing to prevent the Jews from establishing such integration through an ethnic collaboration.

In 1958, WB created Warner Brothers Records, which was later renamed WEA. In 1968, Jack Warner sold his shares to Seven Arts, while DC and All-American Comics were bought by Kinney National Services (a funeral parlor conglomerate). Kinney turned around and bought a talent agency, then turned around again and bought Warner-Seven Arts, becoming Warner Communications.

Warner Communications bought Elektra Records in 1970, the same year that Jew David Geffen started the Asylum label. (The name is synonymous with crazy-house.) Time bought HBO from Charles Dolan in 1972. Ironically, 1972 was also the year when Money magazine began publication, while the (original) magazine Life ceased.

Ted Turner entered the major media scene in 1976 when his TV station WTCG (Atlanta) was carried on US cable networks. In 1979, Turner Communications Group became Turner Broadcasting System, and WTCG was renamed WTBS. The following year, CNN became the world's first 24-hour all-news cable network. Turner tried to buy CBS in 1985, but he was blocked when Lawrence Tisch, a Jew, bought 25% of shares. Instead, Turner bought MGM's film library (1986). TBS merged with Castle Rock and New Line Cinema in 1994. In 1996, Turner made a career-busting faux pas by selling TBS to Time Warner. AOL bought Time Warner in 2000.

In 2001, Gerald Levin, who had been Chairman of Time Warner and then CEO of the merged AOL-TW, fired Ted Turner from his position during a telephone conversation. Control of TBS temporarily shifted to Robert Pittman (a White gentile), but was given shortly afterward to Walter Isaacson, a Jew, who was recruited from his former position at Time Inc., to take over the company that Ted Turner built. We're reasonably certain that Ted Turner would not have sold TBS to Time Warner if he'd known that Levin was going to fire him only five years later. Levin smooth-talked Turner in classic Jewish fashion, and Turner, having placed his trust in a Jew's honor, paid the price for that mistake.

But Levin wasn't finished with his dagger. Having backstabbed Turner, he did likewise to his other useful dupe, Robert Pittman. Pittman had been Levin's champion for the AOL-TW merger on the AOL side. While we don't know for certain what Pittman's motive was, we could guess that it had something to do with Pittman believing himself to be Levin's choice as the new CEO at AOL-TW after Levin's retirement. But when the time came to finalize his choice of successor, Levin bypassed Pittman and gave the position to his long-time pet mulatto, Richard Parsons. Parsons has been AOL-TW's CEO since May 2002. Pittman, though initially grumpy about this treatment, has moderated his tone. A paycheck less than Parsons' paycheck is still better than no paycheck at all.

Before the merger, AOL was the largest Internet service provider in America, and it is now being used as an online platform for the Jewish content from Time Warner. Time Warner, with 1997 revenues of more than $13 billion, was the second largest of the international media leviathans when it was bought by AOL.

Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable network. Until the purchase in May 1998 of PolyGram by Edgar Bronfman, Jr., Warner Music was America's largest record company, with 50 labels, the biggest of which is Warner Brothers Records (WEA). Warner Music was an early promoter of "gangsta rap." Through its involvement with Interscope Records (prior to Interscope's acquisition by MCA), it helped to popularize a genre whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge Blacks to commit acts of violence against Whites.

AOL-TW's publishing ventures include Time-Life International Books, Time-Life Education, Time-Life Music, Time-Life AudioBooks, Book-of-the-Month Club (both adult and children's branches), Paperback Book Club, History Book Club, Money Book Club, HomeStyle Books, Crafter's Choice, One Spirit, Little Brown, Bulfinch Press, Back Bay Books, Warner Books, Warner Vision, The Mysterious Press, Warner Aspect, Warner Treasures, Oxmoor House, Leisure Arts, Sunset Books and TW Kids.

AOL-TW owns the following cable and satellite companies, among others: Cinemax, Time Warner Sports, HBO (7 US and 6 international divisions), CNN (10 divisions worldwide), Time Warner Cable, Road Runner, Time Warner Communications (primarily a telephone service), New York City Cable Group, New York 1 (a sort of CNN devoted exclusively to news in the NYC area), Time Warner Home Theater, Time Warner Security (video monitoring), Court-TV (ownership shared with Liberty Media), Comedy Central (ownership shared with Viacom) and Kablevision (Hungary).

AOL-TW owns the following TV and movie companies: Warner Brothers, WB studios, WB Television (Productions, Animation, and Network), Hanna-Barbera Cartoons, Telepictures Production, Witt-Thomas Productions, Castle Rock Entertainment, Warner Home Video, WB Domestic Pay-TV, WB Domestic TV Distribution, WB International TV Distribution, The Warner Channel (separate companies for Latin America, Asia-Pacific, Australia, and Germany), and WB International Theaters in 12 countries.

The editor-in-chief of Time Warner's publishing division is Norman Pearlstine, a Jew. AOL-TW owns the following magazines: Time, Time Asia, Time Atlantic, Time Canada, Time Latin America, Time South Pacific, Time Money, Time For Kids, Fortune, Life (the watered-down new version), Sports Illustrated (plus SI Women/Sport, SI International, and SI For Kids), Inside Stuff, Money, Your Company, Your Future, People, Who Weekly (Australia), People en Español, Teen People, Entertainment Weekly, EW Metro, The Ticket, In Style, Southern Living, Progressive Farmer, Southern Accents, Cooking Light, Travel Leisure, Food & Wine, Your Company, Departures, SkyGuide, Vertigo, Paradox, Milestone, Mad Magazine, Parenting, Baby Talk, Baby on the Way, This Old House, Sunset, Sunset Garden Guide, Health, Hippocrates, Costal Living, Weight Watchers, Real Simple, President (Japan), and Dancyu (Japan). AOL-TW owns 80 additional magazines (mostly hobby and leisure) in Britain.

AOL-TW holds the following music record labels: Atlantic Group, Atlantic Classics, Atlantic Jazz, Atlantic Nashville, Atlantic Theater, Big Beat, Background, Breaking, Curb, Igloo, Lava, Mesa/Bluemoon, Modern, Rhino Records, Elektra, EastWest, Asylum, Elektra/Sire, Warner Brothers Records, Warner Nashville, Warner Alliance, Warner Resound, Warner Sunset, Reprise, Reprise Nashville, American Recordings, Giant, Maverick, Revolution, Qwest, Warner Music International, WEA Telegram, East West ZTT, Coalition, CGD East West, China, Continental, DRO East West, Erato, Fazer, Finlandia, MCM, Nonesuch, and Teldec.

Disney. The second-largest media conglomerate today, with 1997 revenues of $23 billion, is the Walt Disney Company. Its chairman and CEO, Michael Eisner, is a Jew. The Disney empire, headed by a man described by one media analyst as "a control freak," includes several television production companies (Walt Disney Television, Touchstone Television, Buena Vista Television) and cable networks with more than 100 million subscribers altogether. The TV stations under Disney control include: WLS (Chicago), WJRT (Flint), KFSN (Fresno), KTRK (Houston), KABC (Los Angeles), WABC (New York City), WPVI (Philadelphia), WTVD (Raleigh), KGO (San Francisco) and WTVG (Toledo).

Disney also has a major presence in radio, owning WKHX, WYAY and WDWD in Atlanta; WMVP, WLS, and WXCD in Chicago; WBAP and KSCS in Dallas; WDRQ, WJR and WPLT in Detroit; KLOS and KTZN in Los Angeles; KQRS, KXXR, KDIZ, KZNR, and KZNT in St. Paul; WPLJ in New York City; KSFO in San Francisco; WMAL, WJZW, and WRQX in Washington; and ESPN Radio.

As for feature films, the Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group, under Walt Disney Studios, headed by Joseph E. Roth (also a Jew), includes Walt Disney Pictures, Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, and Caravan Pictures. Roth founded Caravan Pictures in January 1993, and it is now headed by his fellow Jew Roger Birnbaum. Disney also owns Miramax Films, run by the Weinstein brothers, Bob and Harvey, who have produced such ultra-raunchy movies as The Crying Game, Priest, and Kids.

When the Disney Company was run by the gentile Disney family, prior to its takeover by Eisner in 1984, it epitomized wholesome, family entertainment. While it still holds the rights to Snow White, the company under Eisner has expanded into the production of a great deal of so-called "adult" material.

In August 1995, Eisner acquired Capital Cities/ABC, Inc., which owns the ABC Television Network, which in turn owns ten TV stations outright in such big markets as New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Houston. In addition, it has 225 affiliated stations in the United States and is part owner of several European TV companies.

ABC's cable subsidiary, ESPN, is headed by president and CEO Steven Bornstein, who is a Jew. The corporation also has a controlling share of Lifetime Television and A & E Television Networks cable companies, with 67 million subscribers each. ABC Radio Network owns 26 AM and FM stations, again in major cities such as New York, Washington, and Los Angeles, and has over 3,400 affiliates.

Although primarily a telecommunications company, Capital Cities/ABC earned over $1 billion in publishing in 1997. Besides these publishing concerns, Disney owns Walt Disney Company Book Publishing, Hyperion Books, and Miramax Books. It also owns six daily newspapers, including the Albany Democrat and the St. Louis Daily Record.

Disney's magazine titles include Automotive Industries, Biography (partial ownership), Discover, Disney Adventures, Disney Magazine, ECN News, ESPN Magazine, Family Fun, Family PC, Institutional Investor, Jane, JCK, Kentucky Prairie Farmer, Kodin, Los Angeles, Multichannel News, Penny Power, Talk, Top Famille (France), Video Business, and Quality.

Disney operates 660 retail stores worldwide (the figure is for April 2000). And, incidentally, it is also invested in crude oil and natural gas exploitation.

On the Internet, Disney runs Buena Vista Internet Group, ABC Internet Group, ABC.com, ABCNEWS.com, Oscar.com, Mr. Showbiz, Disney Online, Disney's Daily Blast, Disney.com, Family.com, ESPN Internet Group, ESPN.sportzone.com, Soccernet.com, NFL.com, NBA.com, Infoseek (partial ownership), and Disney Interactive.

Viacom. Number three on the list, with 1997 revenues of just over $13 billion, is Viacom, Inc., headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein), a Jew. Viacom was formed in 1971 as a way to dodge an anti-monopoly FCC ruling that required CBS to spin off a part of its cable TV operations and syndicated programming business. This move by the government unfortunately did nothing to reduce the mostly Jewish collaborative monopoly that remains the major problem with the industry. In 1999, after CBS had again augmented itself by buying King World Productions (a leading TV program syndicator), Viacom acquired its progenitor company, CBS, in a double mockery of the spirit of the 1971 ruling.

Viacom produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks, owns 13 television stations and 12 radio stations. It produces feature films through Paramount Pictures, headed by Jewess Sherry Lansing. Redstone acquired CBS following the December 1999 stockholders' votes at CBS and Viacom.

Working for Redstone as CBS's chief executive is a Jew named Melvin A. Karmazin. He is the boss and biggest individual shareholder of the company that owns the CBS Television Network, 14 major-market TV stations, 160 radio stations, the Country Music Television and the Nashville Network cable channels, and a large number of outdoor advertising assets.

Viacom's publishing division includes Simon & Schuster, Scribner, The Free Press, Fireside, Archway Paperbacks and Minstrel Books, Anne Schwartz Books, MTV Books, Nickelodeon Books, Pocket Books, and Washington Square Press. It distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster stores (including the Video Flicks chain in Australia). It is also involved in satellite broadcasting, theme parks, and video games.

Viacom's chief claim to fame, however, is as the world's largest provider of cable programming, through its Showtime, MTV, Nickelodeon, and other networks. Since 1989 MTV and Nickelodeon have acquired larger and larger shares of the juvenile television audience. The first quarter of 2001 was the 16th consecutive quarter in which MTV was rated as the #1 cable network for viewers between the ages of 12 and 24. Redstone, who actually owns 76 per cent of the shares of Viacom, has offered Beavis and Butthead as teen role models and currently is the largest single purveyor of race-mixing propaganda to White teenagers and sub-teens in America and in Europe. MTV Networks acquired The Music Factory (TMF) from the Dutch media and marketing group Wegener in 2001. TMF distributes music to almost 10 million homes in Holland and Belgium. MTV is expanding its presence in Europe through new channels, including MTV Dance (Britain) and MTV Live (Scandinavia). MTV Italy is active through Cecchi Gori Communications. MTV pumps its racially mixed rock and rap videos into 210 million homes in 71 countries and is the dominant cultural influence on White teenagers around the world.

Nickelodeon, with about 65 million subscribers, has by far the largest share of the four-to-11-year-old TV audience in America and also is expanding rapidly into Europe. Most of its shows do not yet display the blatant degeneracy that is MTV's trademark, but Redstone is gradually nudging the fare presented to his kiddie viewers toward the same poison purveyed by MTV. As of early 2001, Nickelodeon was continuing a nine-year streak as the top cable network for children and younger teenagers.

Viacom operates two major motion picture enterprises jointly with Vivendi Universal (detailed hereafter): United Cinemas International (UCI) and United International Pictures (UIP).

Vivendi Universal. Another Jewish media mogul is Edgar Bronfman, Jr. He headed Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, until its recent merger with Vivendi. His father, Edgar Bronfman, Sr., is president of the World Jewish Congress. Seagram owned Universal Studios and Interscope Records, the foremost promoter of "gangsta rap." These companies now belong to Vivendi Universal.

Bronfman became the biggest man in the record business in May 1998 when he also acquired control of PolyGram, the European record giant, by paying $10.6 billion to the Dutch electronics manufacturer Philips. With the revenue from PolyGram added to that from MCA and Universal, Bronfman became master of the fourth largest media empire, with annual revenues around $12 billion. One especially unfortunate aspect of the PolyGram acquisition was that it gave Bronfman control of the world's largest producer of classical music CDs: PolyGram owns the Deutsche Grammophon, Decca-London, and Philips record companies.

In June 2000, the Bronfman family sold Seagram to Vivendi, a French utilities company formerly led by gentile Jean-Marie Messier. The combined company, Vivendi Universal, retains Edgar Bronfman, Jr., as the vice chairman of the new company, and he will continue to be in charge of its entertainment division. As with the AOL-TW merger, the strategy seemed to be infect and wait. The debt Vivendi incurred by buying Universal was used to scandalize Messier, who had to resign. Jean-René Fourtou became the Chairman/CEO of Vivendi on 3 July 2002. Subsequently, to pay off its debts, Vivendi-Universal began selling assets, beginning with Seagam's alcohol business, but later selling some of its media holdings, including its Houghlin-Mifflin publishing company (educational textbooks), which had been acquired in June 2001, to a consortium formed by Thomas H. Lee Partners, Blackstone Group, Bain Capital and Apax Partners.

Jews nearly everywhere you look. With two of the top four media conglomerates in the hands of Jews (Disney and Viacom), and with Jews filling a large proportion of the executive jobs in the remaining two, it is difficult to believe that such an overwhelming degree of control came about without a deliberate, concerted effort on their part.

What about the other big media companies?

Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, which owns Fox Television Network, 20th Century Fox Films, and Fox 2000, is the fifth largest megamedia corporation in the country, with 1997 revenues of over $11 billion. It is the only other media company which comes even close to the top four. Murdoch is a gentile (so far as we know), but Peter Chernin, who is president and CEO of Fox Group, which includes all of News Corporation's film, television, and publishing operations in the United States, is a Jew. Under Chernin, as president of 20th Century Fox, is Laura Ziskin, a Jewess who formerly headed Fox 2000. Jew Peter Roth works under Chernin as president of Fox Entertainment. News Corporation also owns the New York Post and TV Guide, and they are published under Chernin's supervision. Murdoch told Newsweek magazine (July 12, 1999) that he would probably elevate Chernin to CEO of News Corporation, rather than allow the company to fall into the hands of his own children, none of whom are younger than their late twenties. It is hard to imagine a Jew giving a major media corporation to a gentile underling when he has children waiting in the wings. For his part, Chernin was quite candid: "I get to control movies seen all over the world. . . . What could be more fun?"

Most of the television and movie production companies that are not owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by Jews. For example, New World Entertainment, proclaimed by one media analyst as "the premier independent TV program producer in the United States," is owned by Ronald Perelman, a Jew who also owns Revlon cosmetics and who offered a job to Monica Lewinsky when Bill Clinton was trying to keep her quiet.

The best known of the smaller media companies, DreamWorks SKG, is a strictly kosher affair. DreamWorks was formed in 1994 amid great media hype by recording industry mogul David Geffen, former Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg, and film director Steven Spielberg, all three of whom are Jews. The company produces movies, animated films, television programs, and recorded music. Considering the cash and connections that Geffen, Katzenberg, and Spielberg have, DreamWorks may soon be in the same league as the big four.

It is well known that Jews have controlled most of the production and distribution of films since shortly after the inception of the movie industry in the early decades of the 20th century. When Walt Disney died in 1966, the last barrier to the total Jewish domination of Hollywood was gone, and Jews were able to grab ownership of the company that Walt built. Since then they have had everything their way in the movie industry.

Films produced by just the four largest motion picture companies mentioned above -- Disney, Warner Brothers, Paramount (Viacom), and Universal (Seagram) -- accounted for two-thirds of the total box-office receipts for the year 1997.

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and NBC. With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no longer independent entities. While they were independent, however, each was controlled by a Jew since its inception: ABC by Leonard Goldenson; NBC first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert; and CBS first by William Paley and then by Laurence Tisch. Over periods of several decades these networks were staffed from top to bottom with Jews, and the essential Jewishness of network television did not change when the networks were absorbed by other corporations. The Jewish presence in television news remains particularly strong.

NBC provides a good example of this. The executives at NBC recently were shuffled among the key positions. Andrew Lack, who had been chief of the network's news division, ascended to become its president and chief operations officer. Neal Shapiro, who had been producing Dateline NBC, moved into Lack's old job. Jeff Zucker, who had been producing the Today show, was promoted to NBC entertainment president (a job that apparently was created for him), and Jonathan Wald moved into Zucker's old spot after shoving aside Michael Bass, who had been filling in for Zucker with Today. Some time ago, Wald became the producer of the NBC Nightly News, taking the position from Jeff Gralnick. When Wald moved to Today, Steve Capus took over as Tom Brokaw's producer. It is not known at this time whether Capus is a Jew or not, but everyone else is.

A similar preponderance of Jews exists in the news divisions of the other networks. For example, in February 2000, Al Ortiz moved to head the "Special Events" coverage at CBS, making gentile Jim Murphy the executive producer of The CBS Evening News with Dan Rather -- and the only exception that we know of to an otherwise solidly Jewish cadre of television news producers. The new CBS Early Show, which replaced CBS This Morning, had an internal shakeup in which three producers were fired, ostensibly for not being "aggressive" enough. One wonders whether they were also not Jewish enough. The shakeup did not, however, affect the outgoing executive producer Al Berman, who transferred to a new job as a program developer, and Steve Friedman has become the executive producer of the Early Show.

Paul Friedman is still the executive producer of ABC World News Tonight with Peter Jennings. Rick Kaplan, once an executive at ABC, moved to CNN in 1997, where he became the president of CNN/USA.


The Print Media
After television news, daily newspapers are the most influential information medium in America. Sixty million of them are sold (and presumably read) each day. These millions are divided among some 1483 different publications (this figure is for February 2000). One might conclude that the sheer number of different newspapers across America would provide a safeguard against minority control and distortion. Alas, such is not the case. There is less independence, less competition, and much less representation of majority interests than a casual observer would think.

In 1945, four out of five American newspapers were independently owned and published by local people with close ties to their communities. Those days, however, are gone. Most of the independent newspapers were bought out or driven out of business by the mid-1970s. Today most "local" newspapers are owned by a rather small number of large companies controlled by executives who live and work hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Today less than 20 percent of the country's 1483 papers are independently owned; the rest belong to multi-newspaper chains. Only 104 of the total number have circulations of more than 100,000. Only a handful are large enough to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities; the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and international news.

The Associated Press, which sells content to newspapers, is currently under the control of its Jewish managing editor, Michael Silverman, who directs the day-to-day news reporting and supervises the editorial departments. Silverman had directed the AP's national news as assistant managing editor since 1992. He was promoted to his current job in 2000. Silverman reports to Jonathan Wolman, also a Jew, who is executive editor for the AP.

In only 47 cities in America are there more than one daily newspaper, and competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and afternoon editions under the same ownership. Examples of this are the Mobile, Alabama, morning Register and afternoon Press-Register; and the Syracuse, New York, morning Post-Standard and afternoon Herald-Journal -- all owned by the Jewish Newhouse brothers through their holding company, Advance Publications.

The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than the lack of real competition among America's daily newspapers: it also illustrates the insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all the organs of opinion control on which they could fasten their grip. The Newhouses own 30 daily newspapers, including several large and important ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans Times-Picayune; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87 cable-TV systems, including some of the country's largest cable networks; the Sunday supplement Parade, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue, Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self, House & Garden, and all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.

This Jewish media empire was founded by the late Samuel Newhouse, an immigrant from Russia. When he died in 1979 at the age of 84, he bequeathed media holdings worth an estimated $1.3 billion to his two sons, Samuel and Donald. With a number of further acquisitions, the net worth of Advance Publications has grown to more than $8 billion today.

The gobbling up of so many newspapers by the Newhouse family was in large degree made possible by the fact that newspapers are not supported by their subscribers, but by their advertisers. It is advertising revenue -- not the small change collected from a newspaper's readers -- that largely pays the editor's salary and yields the owner's profit.

Whenever the large advertisers in a city choose to favor one newspaper over another with their business, the favored newspaper will flourish while its competitor dies. Since the beginning of the last century, when Jewish mercantile power in America became a dominant economic force, there has been a steady rise in the number of American newspapers in Jewish hands, accompanied by a steady decline in the number of competing gentile newspapers -- primarily as a result of selective advertising policies by Jewish merchants.

Furthermore, even those newspapers still under gentile ownership and management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising revenue that their editorial and news reporting policies are largely constrained by Jewish likes and dislikes. It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere that he who pays the piper calls the tune.


Three Jewish Newspapers
The suppression of competition and the establishment of local monopolies on the dissemination of news and opinion have characterized the rise of Jewish control over America's newspapers. The resulting ability of the Jews to use the press as an unopposed instrument of Jewish policy could hardly be better illustrated than by the examples of the nation's three most prestigious and influential newspapers: the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post. These three, dominating America's financial and political capitals, are the newspapers that set the trends and the guidelines for nearly all the others. They are the ones that decide what is news and what isn't, at the national and international levels. They originate the news; the others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in Jewish hands.

The New York Times, with a September 1999 circulation of 1,086,000, is the unofficial social, fashion, entertainment, political, and cultural guide of the nation. It tells America's "smart set" which books to buy and which films to see; which opinions are in style at the moment; which politicians, educators, spiritual leaders, artists, and businessmen are the real comers. And for a few decades in the 19th century it was a genuinely American newspaper.

The New York Times was founded in 1851 by two gentiles, Henry J. Raymond and George Jones. After their deaths, it was purchased in 1896 from Jones's estate by a wealthy Jewish publisher, Adolph Ochs. His great-great-grandson, Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., is the paper's current publisher and the chairman of the New York Times Co. The executive editor is Joseph Lelyveld, also a Jew (he is a rabbi's son).

The Sulzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co., 33 other newspapers, including the Boston Globe, purchased in June 1993 for $1.1 billion; twelve magazines, including McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each; seven radio and TV broadcasting stations; a cable-TV system; and three book publishing companies. The New York Times News Service transmits news stories, features, and photographs from the New York Times by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

Of similar national importance is the Washington Post, which, by establishing its "leaks" throughout government agencies in Washington, has an inside track on news involving the Federal government.

The Washington Post, like the New York Times, had a non-Jewish origin. It was established in 1877 by Stilson Hutchins, purchased from him in 1905 by John R. McLean, and later inherited by Edward B. McLean. In June 1933, however, at the height of the Great Depression, the newspaper was forced into bankruptcy. It was purchased at a bankruptcy auction by Eugene Meyer, a Jewish financier and former partner of the infamous Bernard Baruch, industry czar in America during the First World War. The Washington Post was run by Katherine Meyer Graham, Eugene Meyer's daughter, until her death in 2001. She was the principal stockholder and the board chairman of the Washington Post Co. and appointed her son, Donald Graham, publisher of the paper in 1979. Donald became Washington Post Company CEO in 1991 and its board chairman in 1993, and the chain of Jewish control at the Washington Post remains unbroken. The newspaper has a daily circulation of 763,000, and its Sunday edition sells 1.1 million copies.

The Washington Post Co. has a number of other media holdings in newspapers (the Gazette Newspapers, including 11 military publications); in television (WDIV in Detroit, KPRC in Houston, WPLG in Miami, WKMG in Orlando, KSAT in San Antonio, WJXT in Jacksonville); and in magazines, most notably the nation's number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek. The Washington Post Company's various television ventures reach a total of about 7 million homes, and its cable TV service, Cable One, has 635,000 subscribers.

In a joint venture with the New York Times, the Post publishes the International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English-language daily in the world.

The Wall Street Journal, which sells 1.8 million copies each weekday, is the nation's largest-circulation daily newspaper. It is owned by Dow Jones & Company, Inc., a New York corporation that also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among other things. The chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is Peter R. Kann, who is a Jew. Kann also holds the posts of chairman and publisher of the Wall Street Journal.

Most of New York's other major newspapers are in no better hands than the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. In January 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate of the late Jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch) by Jewish real-estate developer Mortimer B. Zuckerman. The Village Voice is the personal property of Leonard Stern, the billionaire Jewish owner of the Hartz Mountain pet supply firm. And, as mentioned above, the New York Post is owned by News Corporation under the Jew Peter Chernin.


News Magazines
The story is pretty much the same for other media as it is for television, radio, films, music, and newspapers. Consider, for example, newsmagazines. There are only three of any importance published in the United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report.

Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a subsidiary of Time Warner Communications, the new media conglomerate formed by the 1989 merger of Time, Inc., with Warner Communications. Although Gerald Levin has retired, Time Warner Communications is still essentially Jewish in character.

Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Company, under the Jew Donald Graham. Its weekly circulation is 3.1 million.

U.S. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.2 million, is owned and published by the aforementioned Mortimer B. Zuckerman, who also has taken the position of editor-in-chief of the magazine for himself. Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly and New York's tabloid newspaper, the Daily News, which is the sixth-largest paper in the country.


Our Responsibility
Those are the facts of media control in America. Anyone willing to spend a few hours in a large library looking into current editions of yearbooks on the radio and television industries and into directories of newspapers and magazines; into registers of corporations and their officers, such as those published by Standard and Poors and by Dun and Bradstreet; and into standard biographical reference works can verify their accuracy. They are undeniable, and when confronted with them Jewish spokesmen customarily will use evasive tactics. "Ted Turner isn't a Jew!" they will announce triumphantly, as if that settled the issue. If pressed further they will accuse the confronter of "anti-Semitism" for even raising the subject. It is fear of this accusation that keeps many persons who know the facts silent.

But we must not remain silent on this most important of issues! The Jewish control of the American mass media is the single most important fact of life, not just in America, but in the whole world today. There is nothing -- plague, famine, economic collapse, even nuclear war -- more dangerous to the future of our people.

Jewish media control determines the foreign policy of the United States and permits Jewish interests rather than American interests to decide questions of war and peace. Without Jewish media control, there would have been no Persian Gulf war, for example. There would have been no NATO massacre of Serb civilians. There would be no continued beating of the drums for another war against Iraq.

By permitting the Jews to control our news and entertainment media we are doing more than merely giving them a decisive influence on our political system and virtual control of our government; we also are giving them control of the minds and souls of our children, whose attitudes and ideas are shaped more by Jewish television and Jewish films than by parents, schools, or any other influence.

The Jew-controlled entertainment media have taken the lead in persuading a whole generation that homosexuality is a normal and acceptable way of life; that there is nothing at all wrong with White women dating or marrying Black men, or with White men marrying Asian women; that all races are inherently equal in ability and character -- except that the character of the White race is suspect because of a history of oppressing other races; and that any effort by Whites at racial self-preservation is reprehensible.

We must oppose the further spreading of this poison among our people, and we must break the power of those who are spreading it. It would be intolerable for such power to be in the hands of any alien minority, with values and interests different from our own. But to permit the Jews, with their 3,000-year history of nation-wrecking, from ancient Egypt to Russia, to hold such power over us is tantamount to race suicide. Indeed, the fact that so many White Americans today are so filled with a sense of racial guilt and self-hatred that they actively seek the death of their own race is a deliberate consequence of Jewish media control.

Once we have absorbed and understood the fact of Jewish media control, it is our inescapable responsibility to do whatever is necessary to break that control. We must shrink from nothing in combating this evil power that has fastened its deadly grip on our people and is injecting its lethal poison into their minds and souls. If we fail to destroy it, it certainly will destroy our race.

Let us begin now to acquire knowledge and to take action toward this necessary end.
The Black Forrest
17-06-2004, 22:07
Wow at first I thought you were an arab or Muslim but as I read on I figured you are a wannabe neo-nazi or KKK.

My grandfathers and their brothers are probably spinning in their graves knowing the people they fought are now on these shores.

Well that's Freedom Of Speech.

You get the ability to say or print stupid hateful things. :roll:

But I do love a good conspiracy theory! :twisted:
Letila
17-06-2004, 22:09
http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/data.jpg

One word: Berkman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Berkman)

Sorry, you lose.

At least 45% of all CEOs are jewish

And 100% are capitalists.

all major media is owned by jews

Even anime? :lol:

If the Jews rule America then the capitalists rule the world. Everything is owned by the rich.

-----------------------------------------
"The [Nazi] Party is based on the fundamental principle of private
property" - Adolf Hitler (What does that say about capitalism?)
Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
I like big butts!
http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/steatopygia.jpg
Conceptualists
17-06-2004, 22:09
Are you sure that only 1% is Jewish? That seems kinda low. Care to justify that?
Conceptualists
17-06-2004, 22:10
:::
Superpower07
17-06-2004, 22:11
Has anybody ever heard of the USS LIBERTY, the US naval ship that Israel attacked in 1967 to conceal their execution of Egyptian POWs in the Sinai, and to conceal they were readying to attack the Syrians at Golan Heights, an Israeli intelligence operative thought the US was going to fed information to the Arabs to prolong the conflict.

I've heard about this, and so do many of my ANTI-ISRAELI Jewish friends (yes I have Jewish friends who have hated the f**king guts out of Sharon and thought that Mahmoud Abbas was the best thing to ever happen to the region)

Oh, and


GO BACK TO 1945 YOU NEONAZI!!!
Bottle
17-06-2004, 22:15
you know, reading all that about how the Jews are running the country just makes me wish i was Jewish. according to the Nazi, Jews outsmart everybody else, are better with money than anybody else, and control the world...i'm going to go read the Torah right now!
Duke of Earl
17-06-2004, 22:20
http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/data.jpg

One word: Berkman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Berkman)

Sorry, you lose.

At least 45% of all CEOs are jewish

And 100% are capitalists.

all major media is owned by jews


Even anime? :lol:

If the Jews rule America then the capitalists rule the world. Everything is owned by the rich.

-----------------------------------------
"The [Nazi] Party is based on the fundamental principle of private
property" - Adolf Hitler (What does that say about capitalism?)
Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
I like big butts!
http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/steatopygia.jpg
This post was decent until the anarchy junk. The Anarchy discussion is a whole different topic altogether. I like Bovine Waste though :lol:

[size=9]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.huether-net.de/lsimg/ron76.jpg
Duke of Earl
[size]
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 22:28
GO BACK TO 1945 YOU NEONAZI!!!


Wouln't go back to 1945 make me a real nazi?

Get it right.
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 22:29
Are you sure that only 1% is Jewish? That seems kinda low. Care to justify that?


CIA factbook, and other data, at the most they are 2%, but not much more, the exact numbers are hard to tell because so many Jews convert to Christianity or don't report themselves as jews. Rememer that the jew almost always seeks to blend in and conceal his identity when amongst non-jews. But not always, there are many who are openly jewish.
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 22:30
Wow at first I thought you were an arab or Muslim but as I read on I figured you are a wannabe neo-nazi or KKK.

My grandfathers and their brothers are probably spinning in their graves knowing the people they fought are now on these shores.

Well that's Freedom Of Speech.

You get the ability to say or print stupid hateful things. :roll:

But I do love a good conspiracy theory! :twisted:


Benjammin Franklin said, "If we do not deal with the jews, our grandchildren will curse us in our graves."



"The Jews work more effectively against us than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in. It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pests to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."

Source: Maxims of George Washington by A.A. Appleton & Co.
Letila
17-06-2004, 22:30
you know, reading all that about how the Jews are running the country just makes me wish i was Jewish. according to the Nazi, Jews outsmart everybody else, are better with money than anybody else, and control the world...i'm going to go read the Torah right now!

My thoughts exactly. If the "white race" is so great, then why is it at the same time constantly under threat from minorities?

Benjammin Franklin said, "If we do not deal with the jews, our grandchildren will curse us in our graves."

He also said that government was a good thing and flew kites in storms. What's your point?

-----------------------------------------
"The [Nazi] Party is based on the fundamental principle of private
property" - Adolf Hitler (What does that say about capitalism?)
Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
I like big butts!
http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/steatopygia.jpg
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 22:31
you know, reading all that about how the Jews are running the country just makes me wish i was Jewish. according to the Nazi, Jews outsmart everybody else, are better with money than anybody else, and control the world...i'm going to go read the Torah right now!

Actually the Talmud is their book that they place the highest importance in.



The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
Spoffin
17-06-2004, 22:34
Decisive action, I have 14 words for you

We must secure the existance of silly nazis and a future for conspiracy theories.
Spoffin
17-06-2004, 22:36
you know, reading all that about how the Jews are running the country just makes me wish i was Jewish. according to the Nazi, Jews outsmart everybody else, are better with money than anybody else, and control the world...i'm going to go read the Torah right now!

Actually the Talmud is their book that they place the highest importance in.



The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."He knows a bit too much about Jews I think. He's one of them!

*chases after him with a burning cross*

ZOG! ZOG! ZOG!!!

:lol:
Bottle
17-06-2004, 22:37
you know, reading all that about how the Jews are running the country just makes me wish i was Jewish. according to the Nazi, Jews outsmart everybody else, are better with money than anybody else, and control the world...i'm going to go read the Torah right now!

Actually the Talmud is their book that they place the highest importance in.

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."

i am aware of that, i was simply using the more well-known volume because i didn't think somebody with your limited capacity would have studied enough to know of the Talmud. i actually grew up in a neighborhood with a very high Jewish population, and i can read and write some basic Hebrew :).
Sskiss
17-06-2004, 22:40
Who rules America? It is the wrong question. . . Not who, but what?

That "what" is FEAR
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 22:41
My thoughts exactly. If the "white race" is so great, then why is it at the same time constantly under threat from minorities?

Because whites always have been a trusting and tolerant people to the point of naiveté. Romans were willing to encorporate about anybody into their empire, the gauls, the north african whites (Carthaginians), the north african arabs (berbers and moors), the north african blacks (mostly sudanese living in egypt), the white egyptians (greek mostly), the black egyptians, the greeks, the byzantines, etc.

Also whites fight amongst themselves over partisan issues and other trivial things that really don't matter. And the jews are a small group, but they are unified and they know how to terrorize and take advantage of a disunited majority.
Fluffywuffy
17-06-2004, 22:43
I thought the Torah was the first five books of the Old Testament? Meh, what do I know... :o
Zervok
17-06-2004, 22:44
There happens to be several flaws with that argument.

"Jewish" can be a pretty broad catagory. 3 groups who were probably added to it.
1. People who are slightly interested in Jewsh teachings, but not knowledgable about the religon.
2. As you said, its a race so you can trace ancestors back and find people are slightly Jewish.
3. Jewish also would include those who had a breif encounter with the religion, visited their friend's synagouge, but remainded their religon.

This has nothing to do with you, but I find that often statistics can be minipulated. I am pointing this because of your comment about how its a race. If you use that then it includes many more people. If that was activly religous, I would be slightly worried.
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 22:44
i am aware of that, i was simply using the more well-known volume because i didn't think somebody with your limited capacity would have studied enough to know of the Talmud. i actually grew up in a neighborhood with a very high Jewish population, and i can read and write some basic Hebrew :).


How does being racially aware make you of limited capacity? 5 US presidents were in the Ku Klux Klan, Warren Harding was sworn into the KKK in the green room of the white house. Look at David Duke, he is certainly a man of great intelligence.

I consider myself an educated racist, sorry that I don't fit into your stereotype of backwater tobacco chawing hick who screws his cousin.

And yes I know much about Talmud, reading is one of my favorite pastimes, I especially like to read what the enemy thinks of our people, because we must know ourselves and we must know our enemy.
Conceptualists
17-06-2004, 22:45
Are you sure that only 1% is Jewish? That seems kinda low. Care to justify that?


CIA factbook, and other data, at the most they are 2%, but not much more, the exact numbers are hard to tell because so many Jews convert to Christianity or don't report themselves as jews. Rememer that the jew almost always seeks to blend in and conceal his identity when amongst non-jews. But not always, there are many who are openly jewish.

The CIA have Jews as a religion, not as a race. And not all Jews are religiously Jewish, so I guess the amount is higher. Unless you provide a link to the contrary.
Unfree People
17-06-2004, 22:45
Being a Jew isn't just about the Torah... or the Talmud. It's a culture, a history, and a frame of mind...becoming Jewish is a LOT more than just reading and subscribing to some holy books.

you know, reading all that about how the Jews are running the country just makes me wish i was Jewish. according to the Nazi, Jews outsmart everybody else, are better with money than anybody else, and control the world...i'm going to go read the Torah right now!
Conceptualists
17-06-2004, 22:45
Are you sure that only 1% is Jewish? That seems kinda low. Care to justify that?


CIA factbook, and other data, at the most they are 2%, but not much more, the exact numbers are hard to tell because so many Jews convert to Christianity or don't report themselves as jews. Rememer that the jew almost always seeks to blend in and conceal his identity when amongst non-jews. But not always, there are many who are openly jewish.

The CIA have Jews as a religion, not as a race. And not all Jews are religiously Jewish, so I guess the amount is higher. Unless you provide a link to the contrary.
Free Outer Eugenia
17-06-2004, 22:47
Newtdom
17-06-2004, 22:52
No, now your just being stupid. The real holy scriptures are no longer in use, as they were either destroyed or hidden due to Rome and Babylonian assualts on Israel.

With regards to the media. You say Jews own it all? Well good for them, because its called free enterprise. Its called capitalism at its best. Just because your family cannot afford to buy a newspaper, or any other sort of media does not mean you should take it out on the echelon that does. You people are disgusting, you assume and manipulate facts more than anyone else. I'd like to point out that at first Israel was not supported by the US, as the US stayed neutral. Britain and France supported Israel. Israel is supported by the US because it is democratic..back to the Cold War. There is still animosity between democracy and exsupporters of Communism (Which all/most of the Arab nations were).

Your quotes are wrong as well. George Washington actually felt that the Jewish populace, which paid for the American Revolution mind you, were owed a great debt. Franklin, almost felt the same way as Washington as well...but Franklin despised all religion. Anyway, I'd argue all your points but its been a long day...perhaps tomorrow.
Behesht
17-06-2004, 22:53
Who rules America? It's not internal influence. Germany and Japan can claim to control America to some degree, for if these two countries decide not to be allies with the United States, it will steadily lose its title as a superpower.
Free Outer Eugenia
17-06-2004, 22:54
Christ. If you put this joker in a Nazi concentration camp he'd think that the Jews controlled it too :roll:
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 22:55
Are you sure that only 1% is Jewish? That seems kinda low. Care to justify that?


CIA factbook, and other data, at the most they are 2%, but not much more, the exact numbers are hard to tell because so many Jews convert to Christianity or don't report themselves as jews. Rememer that the jew almost always seeks to blend in and conceal his identity when amongst non-jews. But not always, there are many who are openly jewish.

The CIA have Jews as a religion, not as a race. And not all Jews are religiously Jewish, so I guess the amount is higher. Unless you provide a link to the contrary.


Judaism is a religion, and the Jewish people are the race. Not all those in the Jewish religion are racially jewish, we need to find out who are the racial jews and who aren't the racial jews. We need to get the non-racial jews to convert away from Judaism.

Orthodox Judaism won't accept a jew as a jew unless the mother is jewish, they know the Judaism is first and foremost a race.
Spoffin
17-06-2004, 22:55
Rememer that the jew almost always seeks to blend in and conceal his identity when amongst non-jews. But not always, there are many who are openly jewish.This right out of the Herman Goering 1934 pamphlet "How to identify the godless Jew" isn't it?



The Jew rarely bathes or cleanses himself. He smokes and drinks to excess, and can often be recognised by his foul breath, large nose and his overwhelming tendancy to attempt to ravish young Aryan maidens.
BoogieDown Productions
17-06-2004, 22:58
Who rules America? It is the wrong question. . . Not who, but what?

That "what" is FEAR

YES! Keep every body afraid of someone, the terrorists, the jews the blacks, the chinese, the french etc. Cause the minute you let your gaurd down they'll all be interruping to your nice quiet all-american dinner and destroying your way of life. cause they hate us, because were free, it doenst have anything to do with the constant meddleing inother people affairs, that stuff didn't even really happen. So what should you do BUY DUCT TAPE AND HIDE EUNDER THE BED OF COURSE!
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 22:58
No, now your just being stupid. The real holy scriptures are no longer in use, as they were either destroyed or hidden due to Rome and Babylonian assualts on Israel.

With regards to the media. You say Jews own it all? Well good for them, because its called free enterprise. Its called capitalism at its best. Just because your family cannot afford to buy a newspaper, or any other sort of media does not mean you should take it out on the echelon that does. You people are disgusting, you assume and manipulate facts more than anyone else. I'd like to point out that at first Israel was not supported by the US, as the US stayed neutral. Britain and France supported Israel. Israel is supported by the US because it is democratic..back to the Cold War. There is still animosity between democracy and exsupporters of Communism (Which all/most of the Arab nations were).

Your quotes are wrong as well. George Washington actually felt that the Jewish populace, which paid for the American Revolution mind you, were owed a great debt. Franklin, almost felt the same way as Washington as well...but Franklin despised all religion. Anyway, I'd argue all your points but its been a long day...perhaps tomorrow.


Israel a democracy? A nation where Arabs are not allowed in certain areas and signs proclaim "JEWS ONLY", it sounds like an segregationist state to me. Israel treats the Palestinians worse than South Africa treated their blacks in the 1960s-1980s, yet Israel gets economic assistance and military equipment, while South Africa got embargoes and condemnations.
Hannukiah
17-06-2004, 22:59
"Orthodox Judaism won't accept a Jew as a Jew unless the mother is Jewish, they know the Judaism is first and foremost a race."

This is simply not true. Orthodox Judaism is more converned with beleif that genetic heridity. That's why there are Asian, African, Caucasion and other Jews from every kind of background and place. There is no genetic common ground between members of the Jewish faith... or for that matter, members of most faiths. Ideas transcend blood alone...

Cheers and Shalom,
Prime Minister of Hannukiah.
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 22:59
This right out of the Herman Goering 1934 pamphlet "How to identify the godless Jew" isn't it?






No it isn't.
Spoffin
17-06-2004, 23:00
No, now your just being stupid. The real holy scriptures are no longer in use, as they were either destroyed or hidden due to Rome and Babylonian assualts on Israel.

With regards to the media. You say Jews own it all? Well good for them, because its called free enterprise. Its called capitalism at its best. Just because your family cannot afford to buy a newspaper, or any other sort of media does not mean you should take it out on the echelon that does. You people are disgusting, you assume and manipulate facts more than anyone else. I'd like to point out that at first Israel was not supported by the US, as the US stayed neutral. Britain and France supported Israel. Israel is supported by the US because it is democratic..back to the Cold War. There is still animosity between democracy and exsupporters of Communism (Which all/most of the Arab nations were).

Your quotes are wrong as well. George Washington actually felt that the Jewish populace, which paid for the American Revolution mind you, were owed a great debt. Franklin, almost felt the same way as Washington as well...but Franklin despised all religion. Anyway, I'd argue all your points but its been a long day...perhaps tomorrow.


Israel a democracy? A nation where Arabs are not allowed in certain areas and signs proclaim "JEWS ONLY", it sounds like an segregationist state to me. Israel treats the Palestinians worse than South Africa treated their blacks in the 1960s-1980s, yet Israel gets economic assistance and military equipment, while South Africa got embargoes and condemnations.Surely you'd have been in favour of apartheid in South Africa?
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 23:07
Surely you'd have been in favour of apartheid in South Africa?


Yes of course, but Apartheid in South Africa was mostly socially, the blacks still had the economic opportunities because the whites needed them to work in the mines and such.

Apartheid in Israel is awful, there are massacres, bulldozing houses and herding people into "refugee camps". Why did no inspection teams ever go to the Jenin refugee camp. I firmly support the right of the Palestinian people to rebel against their Israeli oppressors.

The South African blacks had it better than they realized. The crime rate was so low that South Africa was widely accepted as the safest country in the world, the economy was doing great, 1 rand = 1.5 dollars, now it is 1 dollar = 7 rand. Today South Africa is about tied with Colombia for most dangerous nation, and it must be remembered that Colmobia is in a civil war, South Africa is supposedly in peacetime. Many times more blacks are unemployed today than under Apartheid, the economy is basically falling apart, the end of apartheid only benefitted the rich upper crust of the ANC.
Spoffin
17-06-2004, 23:09
Surely you'd have been in favour of apartheid in South Africa?


Yes of course, but Apartheid in South Africa was mostly socially, the blacks still had the economic opportunities because the whites needed them to work in the mines and such.*Sighs*
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 23:10
http://white-history.com/hwr56iii.htm


Chapter 56 : The White Man's Burden-

South Africa and Rhodesia

APARTHEID AND THE END OF WHITE SOUTH AFRICA

Part one described the settlement of Southern Africa, the Great Trek into the interior of Africa, and the establishment of the Boer Republics of the Orange Free State and the South African Republic, also called the Transvaal.

Part two described the history of the independent Boer Republics and their crushing by the British Empire.

This section deals with the creation of Apartheid in South Africa and its ultimate, inevitable end - relying as it did upon Black labor over which a White minority tried to enforce social segregation.

THE 1913 Land Act DIVIDES THE LAND BETWEEN BLACK AND WHITE

In 1910, the Union of South Africa was created under British rule, out of the two former Boer Republics of the Orange Free State and the Transvaal, together with the already established British colonies of Natal and the Cape.

The new Parliament created as a result of the Union was dominated by a party led by former Boer war generals. In 1913, they turned their attention to the issue of the reserved Black areas, and, following the American example with the Amerinds, formally enshrined the right of Blacks in these tribal areas. This was the Land Act of 1913, which also had one rider: they prohibited Blacks from owning any land outside of these now formalized homelands.

The ruling party also had as its theme reconciliation between Boer and Brit. This attempt to create unity on racial grounds, trying to bridge the cultural/ethnic differences, led to the creation of a new generic term for all Whites living in the Union of South Africa: South Africans. The terminology Boer and Brit was dispensed with. The Dutch language had in the interim started to develop a form of its own, and became known as Afrikaans: and those who spoke it were called Afrikaners, no matter if they were originally Boers or Dutch speakers who lived in the British ruled Cape and Natal before the Anglo-Boer War.

National Party Founded in 1914

The attempt to create White unity was however rejected by a significant number of English and Afrikaans speakers. One Boer general, James Hertzog, founded a new party in 1914, the National Party (NP) which was to play a leading role in South African history for the next 80 years. Hertzog demanded that the Afrikaans language - which was still not recognized, with English being the official language of the country, be granted equal status with English, and that the country have its own flag, and not the British flag. These aims were only to be achieved in the middle 1920's.

World War One and the Boer Rebellion of 1914

The outbreak of the First World War split the Whites even further: fueled not so much by a pro-German sentiment, but rather by an anti-British sentiment, many Afrikaans speakers refused to support the South African government's decision to declare war on Germany.

A number of Boer leaders started a rebellion in the year that the war broke out, demanding the restoration of the Boer Republics, obviously hoping to capitalize upon the British being distracted by having to meet the demands of a war in Europe.

The South African government - still in the hands of the pro-reconciliation Afrikaans speakers - suppressed the rebellion, which saw the deaths of a number of its ringleaders. Despite the violence, the NP still polled well in the 1915 election, although not enough to dislodge the pro-reconciliation grouping which had drawn more English speaking support after entering the war on the side of Britain.

The first engagement of the war from the South African side was the occupation of German South West Africa, a territory which would be mandated to South Africa by the League of Nations after the First World War. This territory would later become known as South West Africa, and be the scene of a major race war between White South Africa and Black insurgents. (Still later the territory would become the country of Namibia). The South African army - which was recruited on a volunteer basis - then went on to participate in the occupation of the German East Africa - today Tanzania.

South African troops also fought in large numbers on the Western Front in France, fighting in the Battles of Delville Wood, Paschendale and many other famous and bloody clashes.

The Racist Communists and the White Revolt of 1921

The whole country was therefore split three ways: between English speakers, Afrikaans speakers and Blacks, with neither of the two White groupings wanting to integrate with the Black group. So it was that even the South African Communist Party, started largely by South African Jews based in Cape Town, initially directed itself openly only to White workers.

In 1921, leaders of the country's gold-mining industry decided to replace White labor with Black and Chinese laborers in an effort to cut costs. This move led to a major uprising in March 1921 called the Rand Revolt, led initially by the Communist Party with the official slogan of "White Workers Unite for a White South Africa" - the sight of this slogan along with the hammer and sickle flag was for long afterwards a great source of embarrassment for the Communist Party, which soon thereafter devoted itself to attacking the White power structure and started enrolling Blacks as members. (A photograph exists of this famous slogan being prominently displayed on a banner during a main Communist march during the Rand revolt.)



Above: Racist Communists organize the 1922 Rand Strike, under the banner (seen in the crowd bottom left, and a close-up view alongside) "Workers Unite for a White South Africa." The strike was organized against the capitalist mine owner's plan to bring in cheap non-White labor to replace more expensive Whites on the gold mines, and erupted into a full scale rebellion. Shortly afterwards, the Communist International instructed the SA Communist party to drop its racist line and become focused on helping the Black cause in South Africa, a task it dutifully fulfilled. Needless to say, the overtly racist approach of the early SA Communist Party is ignored by that party in present times.

The revolt was suppressed at a cost of 200 dead, with the fledgling South African air force (the second oldest such force in the world, being started shortly after the British Royal Air Force) bombing rebel strongholds in Johannesburg.

National Party in Power

Although the revolt was crushed, three years later, during the 1924 election, the National Party came to power for the first time, mainly on election undertakings to protect White workers from non-White laborers taking their jobs. Race had become an important electoral issue for the first time.

Shortly after taking power, the NP government duly introduced the first color bar legislation, which prevented Blacks from being employed in certain categories of jobs, these being reserved for Whites only.

The Great Depression and World War Two

The NP remained in power alone till 1933, when the effects of the Great Depression forced a coalition government with the pro-reconciliation faction under the former Boer War general Jan Smuts. This coalition ruled till the outbreak of the Second World War in 1939.

When the Second World War broke out, certain small factions of Afrikaners were decidedly pro-Hitler and had even formed tiny Nazi parties, none of whom received any significant electoral support. A bare majority of the South African Parliament voted in favor of entering the war on Britain's side: as a result the coalition government broke down and the NP went into opposition, having voted against going to war for Britain.

Outside of Parliament, militant Afrikaners organized themselves into a movement known as the "Flaming Ox Wagon Sentinel" and through this organization engaged in numerous acts of sabotage and violence in an attempt to keep the country's volunteer army deployed internally, rather than being used against the Germans and for the British.

South African troops fought against the Italians in Abyssinia, and in North Africa as part of the British Eighth Army, taking part in numerous famous battles such as El Alamein. They then went to take part in the invasion of Italy in 1943, fighting at Monte Casino, being part of the occupation troops in Rome and ending the war in northern Italy. The South African prime minister, Jan Smuts, was instrumental in founding the United Nations and helped to draft its founding charter.

The Election of 1948

In 1948, an election alliance between the NP and a number of smaller factions succeeded in ousting the Smuts government, despite the former winning a minority of votes (the skewed first past the post Westminster electoral system allowed Smuts to gain the larger number of votes but the fewer seats).


Above: DF Malan, the National Party leader who barely won the 1948 general election in South Africa, on a pledge to the all-White voters to enforce the policy of Apartheid, or strict social segregation.

It is from the election of 1948, that Apartheid, or the policy of racial segregation, is deemed to have become official policy in South Africa. The reality is however that segregation and the recognition and creation of Black tribal homelands had preceded 1948 by centuries.

The very first segregation had in fact occurred soon after the first Dutch settlement at the Cape in 1652: in 1653, the Dutch had planted a particularly large hedge to mark the border between their territory and Hottentot/Bushman territory (parts of this massive hedge can still be seen in Cape Town) and the formal recognition of the Black tribal homelands by the British authorities has already been discussed. In fact, all the National Party did in 1948, was make statutory a de facto situation, and very little else.

At the time this was perfectly in line with developments elsewhere in the world, especially in America where legislation also governed the access of Blacks to certain public places, schools and the like. The first "Whites Only" signs only appeared in South Africa long after they had first appeared in America.

The NP set about further imitating many American states by outlawing racially mixed marriages, instituting a system of racial classification and finally, by legislation, defined residential and business areas for the different races.

Black Resistance

The Communist Party had in the interim renounced its racist past and worked full time against the White government, organizing trade unions and strikes. In 1950, the White government passed the Suppression of Communism Act, which outlawed the Communist Party - an act which was only repealed in 1990. The main Black resistance movement was started in 1912 - the African National Congress, which would later go on to become the government of South Africa at the end of the era of White rule. The ANC would form a firm alliance with the SA Communist Party throughout its years of struggle against the White government, and for many years after its assumption of power as well.

WHITE POLITICIANS MISS THE Real Issue - THEIR DEPENDENCE ON BLACK LABOR

The normalization of racial segregation by the NP did not address the real issue which has faced every White country, culture or authority since the start of White history: namely, the contradiction of allowing huge numbers of non-Whites into the territory in question to do the labor; whilst trying to prevent that civilization from being overwhelmed by foreign numbers. In fact, it cannot be done.

White South Africa was no different in this regard to any of the previous White societies: the Aryans in India in the year 1500 BC, also lived in a country where the majority of the population was non-White: they too introduced all manner of laws trying to prevent racial mixing but all the while used the non-White labor. Eventually the sheer numbers of non-Whites grew to the point where it was no longer feasible to exercise control - simply put, the situation was reached where there were simply not enough Whites to control the entire territory, and the White civilization was overwhelmed by non-White numbers and sank.

In South Africa, almost every White household had one or more Black servants, with farmers very often having dozens to work the huge farmlands, more often than not living on the premises; in the mines, the economic heart of the country, the vast majority of common laborers, numbering many thousands, were Black; all over the country the overwhelming majority of laborers were Black.


Above: Central Johannesburg, mid 1970s: a White policeman checks a Black laborer's "pass book" - a document which entitled that Black person to be present in the White urban areas of South Africa provided that Black person had a job. Nothing better illustrated the inherent flaw in Apartheid than this state of affairs.

Over this mass of economic integration, the Whites of South Africa attempted to enforce social segregation and still maintain a White government: it was doomed from the start, as it was in Aryan India, in ancient Persia, in ancient Sumeria, in ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece and ancient Rome.

All that happened in South Africa that was different was that the number imbalance occurred even faster than in the older civilizations, and White control was overwhelmed at a quicker pace.

Black Birth Rate JUMPS WITH WHITE AID

At the same time, Western medicine was made available on a massive scale: the largest hospital in the Southern Hemisphere was erected in the Black township of Soweto, outside Johannesburg, specifically for the Black population. Infant mortality rates for Blacks, while still far higher than for Whites, fell dramatically, and were way below that of the rest of Black ruled Africa. This rapid population growth, also typical of non-White populations residing in White ruled countries throughout history and elsewhere in the modern world, put additional pressure on the demographic makeup of the country.

White Reaction

The White government was forced to think out ever more stringent and oppressive laws to protect the Whites as the Black population continued to leapfrog in numbers year after year. Soon economics became a secondary issue in everyday politics when compared to the racial issue. Black resistance had also been growing along with the increase in that racial group's numbers.

At first peaceful, the Black resistance groups turned to violence after it became clear that the White government was unmovable on certain basic issues, and failed to see the inherent contradiction between social segregation and economic integration.

Finally, after a section of White policemen shot down 69 Blacks during a demonstration in Sharpeville to the south of Johannesburg in 1960, open violent political rebellion broke out amongst the Black population. The White government reacted by banning the main Black resistance organizations, the African National Congress (ANC) and the Pan Africanist Congress (the latter being an openly Black racist party which had separated from the ANC in 1959). These two organizations then launched a campaign of armed resistance to White government, which lasted some 30 years, with varying degrees of success. In reality however, despite large numbers of Blacks being co-opted into the state structures (in the form of police and army units) South Africa erupted into a long running low intensity race war, with Black and White physically fighting it out for political control. The Whites had the technological advantage: the Blacks always had the greater numbers.

As the Black resistance was closely allied to the South African Communist Party it soon received large amounts of material aid from the Soviet Union (further fueling the allegations made by the White government that the Black resistance was a Communist inspired effort - an allegation that was of course untrue and made for propaganda purposes, as the Black resistance groups took aid from anyone who gave it to them, which included many fanatically anti-Communist Arab countries). The dividing issue was race, not ideology.

South African Military

Despite the aid to the Black resistance movements, the South African military was developed into a virtually self reliant extremely powerful force, certainly the strongest conventional force in all of Africa. The battle was however, apart from on the border in South West Africa (see below), never to be waged conventionally.

The Black resistance movements adopted a guerrilla hit and run policy of attacks on strategic targets, in certain aspects ironically mimicking the Boer guerrilla war against the British of the period 1900-1902. To combat this unconventional war, the South African Police were given extended powers of detention and other draconian measures - all of which could only be short term fire fighting measures, as the main issue: that of preventing majority Black occupation of the country - was never addressed by any Apartheid laws.

The Republic of South Africa

In 1961, the South African government declared itself a republic and formally withdrew from the British commonwealth - the aspirations of Afrikaner independence had once again been fulfilled.


Above: A poster issued during the 1961 referendum, makes the issue at stake very plain: either stay in the British led Commonwealth and be forced to accept Black rule, or break away and become a White ruled Republic. A slim majority of voters chose the White Republic option.

The White Republic of South Africa was noted for many things, not the least of them many world first in technological breakthroughs. In this way the very first heart transplant was carried out by an Afrikaner, Chris Barnard, in the segregated hospital of Groote Schuur in Cape Town, in 1962; the first truly properly successful industrial plant which converted coal into oil was set up at Sasolburg in the Orange Free State (the technology had first been developed by the Germans during the Second World War at the Buna rubber plant at Auschwitz); the country became self reliant in the manufacture of arms and sophisticated weaponry (leading to a thriving arms export business) and also developed its own nuclear weapons.

Black Homelands Revisited

At the same time the White government starting giving practical application to the policy of "Grand Apartheid". Imitating the British, independence was given to a number of traditional Black tribal homelands, the first in the mid 1970's.

In this way, the White government deluded itself into thinking that Black political aspirations could be satisfied in the exercise of voting for these tribal homelands, despite huge numbers of these tribe members living outside the borders of these states - in the urban areas.

This policy was naturally doomed: it never seriously addressed the issue of the use of Black labor in the White areas, and those Blacks who did agree to take up the reins of government in these Black homelands were (usually accurately) rejected as puppets of the Whites by the majority of Blacks.

The White government also refused to adjust the size of these traditional tribal areas to fit in with the changed demographics, stubbornly insisting that their land area - some 13 percent of the country's surface area - could accommodate what was rapidly becoming over 80 percent of the total population.

The White South African government - just like the Aryans in India - refused to accept the basic truth of racial dynamics: those who occupy a space determine the nature of the society in that space, irrelevant of to whom that space originally belonged. White South Africa's fate was sealed when the territorial division was not adjusted to fit in with the demographic realities; when all the effort was put into creating Black homelands and none put into creating a White "homeland" and the continued insistence upon the use of Black labor.

Demographic Changes Force Social Change

By 1990, there were approximately 5 million Whites in South Africa, and anywhere between 35 and 40 million non-Whites - the latter having had a population rate increase as staggering as that of the Black population in America.

The Race War in Namibia

The territory of South West Africa, made a mandate of South Africa in 1920 by the League of Nations, had also developed its own Black resistance movement along the lines of its South African counterparts, called the South West African Peoples Organizations (SWAPO). This organization then proceeded to launch its own campaign of violent resistance to the White government in that territory.

As in South Africa itself, SWAPO received considerable Soviet support, and the South African army was deployed in large numbers in northern South West Africa for nearly twenty years, fighting a hot war against SWAPO insurgents, never being able to definitively beat SWAPO, as their guerrillas clearly operated with the overwhelming support of the locals (once again ironically mirroring the situation the British had faced with the Boer War. This was a problem which the British had solved by putting the Boer support base, the women and children, into concentration camps).

Collapse of Portuguese Colonies

In the interim, Portugal had set up two large colonies in Southern Africa: Angola on the west coast (from where a large number of Black slaves were sent to America) and Mozambique on the East coast. These colonies were ruled at first with an iron fist, but then gradually more leniently: finally the inhabitants of these colonies were all given Portuguese citizenship.

However, the Black nationalists within these countries set up their own anti-colonial military organizations. Backed by the Soviet Union and Red China, these Black nationalists saw the Portuguese being dragged into an extended guerrilla war in the African bush, one which they could in reality never win. The situation dragged on inconclusively until 1974, when a coup in Portugal itself overthrew the government: overnight the new government simply withdrew its troops from Angola and Mozambique and washed their hands of the colonies.

The collapse of the Portuguese colonial administration in Angola and Mozambique created additional military problems for the South Africans; suddenly their military intervention was required deep into the territories of both of these countries to prevent large scale incursions into South West and South Africa by Black resistance guerrillas. A number of conventional and non-conventional invasions followed in both of these countries, with South African troops very nearly occupying the capital of Angola, Luanda, in the late 1970's.

Cuban Intervention

However, a combination of international pressure and the arming of the new Black governments of Angola and Mozambique with modern sophisticated Soviet weapons and the arrival of thousands of Cuban troops in Angola, caused the South Africans to pull back, suffering their first large defeats: the South Africans were in many instances unable to match the advanced Soviet warplanes and lost the crucial total air superiority required for long range operations.

The South Africans also provided material aid to local Black resistance groups fighting the Black governments in Angola and Mozambique in a largely successful attempt to destabilize those countries. All these strategies were well thought out militarily, but no political or military theory addressed the real issue which ultimately decided everything in Southern Africa: that of the changing and ever darkening demographic profile.

Eventually, by the time that the protracted race war in South West Africa ended in 1990 (when the country was handed over to a SWAPO government) some 1,200 White soldiers had been killed, along with several hundred White civilians. Many thousands of SWAPO combatants, and a very large number of Black civilians died as well, the exact figures never having been finally established.

Black Uprising and White Suppression

Thus White South Africa found itself fighting a "hot" racial war on the border in South West Africa as well having to cope with an internal racial conflict, which grew each year as the demographics turned ever more quickly against the Whites.

In 1976, a Black student uprising, using the issue of Afrikaans language medium instruction as the spark, blew up into countrywide riots that year. Suppressed with the loss of over 500 Black lives, the Soweto riots, as they came to be known, marked a watershed in the racial divide in South Africa; from then on, international opinion was mobilized against White South Africa and the Black resistance movements were able to step up their campaign of internal violence.


Above: White South African riot police remove the body of a Black demonstrator shot dead during the famous 1976 unrest. From that year onwards, the 60,000 strong South African Police, tasked with suppressing Black riots, fought an increasingly untenable war against this internal unrest, fuelled as it was by the massive shift in demographics which saw millions of Blacks flood into the urban areas.

In the face of the increased pressure, South African nuclear scientists developed a number of nuclear weapons which were supposed to have been used in the event of a conventional invasion either by the West or by a Soviet led Black invasion from the north. These weapons were never used, and demolished in the 1990's, their existence only being formally acknowledged in 1993.

"Unrest Situations"

As the levels of Black resistance increased after 1976, so did the White state become ever more draconian in its legislation and activities: states of emergencies became increasingly common, and running race wars in urban and rural areas, known as "unrest situations" became routine news in the country.

Ultimately it was a combination of internal violence and international pressure (in the form of sanctions) that finally persuaded the White government to throw in the towel and hand over to a Black government, a process which was started with a limited reform program in 1983.

The partial reforms of the mid 1980's - which included the repealing of the laws forbidding mixed racial marriages and mixed racial political parties, combined with limited constitutional reforms which gave Indians and Coloreds their own parliamentary chambers, did little to stop the increasing violence. In fact, racial violence increased dramatically: the reforms created an unfulfilled revolution of rising expectations, and it was precisely during this cycle of Black violence and White counter violence that the racial war taking place inside the country exacted its highest death tolls ever.

ANC Unbanned

In 1990, the White government finally faced the truth that it could no longer effectively control the ballooning Black population, and unbanned the ANC and released its leader, Nelson Mandela, from prison. Within four years an election based on universal suffrage was held: the 1994 election was won by the ANC with nearly two thirds of the votes cast.

The decision by the White government to surrender power was contested by White hard-liners, who formed a number of opposition groups, none of whom were ultimately able to defeat the NP in any of the elections or two referendums that were held during the reform years of the mid 1980s and early 1990s. One hard-line group, the Afrikaner Resistance Movement (AWB) became increasingly militant and was responsible for a campaign of violence leading up to the first multi-racial elections in 1994. Twelve people were killed and hundreds injured in this violence: the perpetrators were however arrested and violent White resistance came to an end.

A Beleaguered Minority

Although Black on White crime had always been a factor in South Africa, the problem increased dramatically after Apartheid was formally abolished. The growth of huge shantytown squatter camps in and around the large South African cities brought with them a host of social ills which became a breeding ground for the criminality for which post Apartheid South Africa became famous.

What is however never mentioned is the fact that the overwhelming majority of criminals are Black, and while their victims include Blacks just as commonly as Whites, the Whites suffer more from crime as a group in South Africa simply because they are demographically vulnerable and because they generally have more to steal. So even crime in South Africa has taken on a distinct racial tinge, as has been the case in Europe, Australia and North America as well.

The Black government then started a policy of extreme affirmative action, appointing non-Whites into positions of authority merely because these posts were previously reserved for Whites, not because the newly appointed Black office holders were competent or qualified to hold these posts.

This duplicated virtually exactly the institution of the Black former slave governments in the American Southern states after the end of the Civil War in that country - and led to a similar collapse in infrastructure and services.

The White population in South Africa reacted predictably: those who could, generally left, going to other majority White countries to escape the openly anti-White policies of the new Black government, while those who could not leave, barricaded themselves into razor wire and burglar-barred "homes", all the while being taxed at one of the highest taxation rates in the world.

Microcosm of a Rise and Fall

Ultimately then, South Africa became a vitally important microcosm of White history: important because within the space of two hundred years (just over four generations) it traveled the full circle of the rise and fall of White civilizations as defined by the race of the country's inhabitants:

• starting out with deeds of immense bravery (the settlement of new territory; the Great Trek);

• then moving onto the establishment of independent states;

• then allowing huge numbers of non-Whites into these territories as legal or illegal immigrants to do the labor;

• then trying to segregate themselves from the growing numbers of non-Whites (at first by custom and then by law) while still using the non-White labor; and

• then finally being overwhelmed by the changing demographics, by the change in the make-up of the population of those territories.

This process was compressed even further in the short history of the White country of Rhodesia. This little country, whose White inhabitants never numbered more than 500,000, became the subject of one of the most vicious bush wars ever to have been fought between Whites and Blacks in Africa, and attracted condemnation from around the world.
Zervok
17-06-2004, 23:10
Let me point out who created Israel.
Britain
Who is an ally of Britain?
United States

The U.S would have to support Israel because they would have to support Britain and more because if they wanted something else ten they would have to march in.

The U.S supported Zionism, but couldnt affect Israel.

Also calling Jews organised is like calling the Irish or Protestants organised.
Sskiss
17-06-2004, 23:11
Who rules America? It is the wrong question. . . Not who, but what?

That "what" is FEAR

YES! Keep every body afraid of someone, the terrorists, the jews the blacks, the chinese, the french etc. Cause the minute you let your gaurd down they'll all be interruping to your nice quiet all-american dinner and destroying your way of life. cause they hate us, because were free, it doenst have anything to do with the constant meddleing inother people affairs, that stuff didn't even really happen. So what should you do BUY DUCT TAPE AND HIDE EUNDER THE BED OF COURSE!

BDP, do you agree or not. Your post sounded much more like a typical rant. So it's hard for me to tell, one way or the other.
Sskiss
17-06-2004, 23:11
Who rules America? It is the wrong question. . . Not who, but what?

That "what" is FEAR

YES! Keep every body afraid of someone, the terrorists, the jews the blacks, the chinese, the french etc. Cause the minute you let your gaurd down they'll all be interruping to your nice quiet all-american dinner and destroying your way of life. cause they hate us, because were free, it doenst have anything to do with the constant meddleing inother people affairs, that stuff didn't even really happen. So what should you do BUY DUCT TAPE AND HIDE EUNDER THE BED OF COURSE!

BDP, do you agree with me or not. Your post sounded much more like a typical rant. So it's hard for me to tell, one way or the other.
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 23:13
Let me point out who created Israel.
Britain
Who is an ally of Britain?
United States

The U.S would have to support Israel because they would have to support Britain and more because if they wanted something else ten they would have to march in.

The U.S supported Zionism, but couldnt affect Israel.

Also calling Jews organised is like calling the Irish or Protestants organised.


1917, the same year the UK issued the Balfour Declaration , the USA joined the War against the Central Powers. Coincidence, I think not, I think that the jewish power in the USA told england "Assure Israel will one day be a nation and we'll push America into the war".
Zervok
17-06-2004, 23:17
The Black Forrest
17-06-2004, 23:24
Wow at first I thought you were an arab or Muslim but as I read on I figured you are a wannabe neo-nazi or KKK.

My grandfathers and their brothers are probably spinning in their graves knowing the people they fought are now on these shores.

Well that's Freedom Of Speech.

You get the ability to say or print stupid hateful things. :roll:

But I do love a good conspiracy theory! :twisted:


Benjammin Franklin said, "If we do not deal with the jews, our grandchildren will curse us in our graves."



"The Jews work more effectively against us than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in. It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pests to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."

Source: Maxims of George Washington by A.A. Appleton & Co.

Ahhhh misquotes! I find those funny as well!!!!!

The quote alleged to be by Franklin is a forgery. It is discussed in "They Never Said It" by Boller and George, p.27

[Reference: "They Never Said It", Paul F. Boller Jr. and John George, New York, Oxford University Press, 1989, ISBN 0-19-605541-1 and ISBN 0-19-506469-0 -DSM]


"The Franklin quote apparently first turned up on February 3, 1934 in William Dudley Pelley's pro-Nazi sheet, _Liberation_, published in Asheville, North Carolina. According to Pelley, it was taken from notes made by Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, delegate to the Constitutional Convention from South Carolina... But there is no Pinckney diary, and historian Charles Beard, after a thorough investigation... concluded: "This alleged `Prophecy' ascribed to Franklin is a crude forgery.. . There is in our historical records no evidence whatever of any basis for the falsehood."

"On one occasion, when the Hebrew Society of Philadelphia sought to raise money for a synagogue, Franklin signed the petition appealing to "citizens of every denomination" for contributions. Nevertheless, during the 1930s and 1940s, the Franklin forgery was cited time and again in the Nazi press in Germany, broadcast over the Nazi radio... It was popular, too, in neo-Nazi circles in the United States."

The George Washington quote is "modified" as well:

Well, I got the *Maxims of George Washington* (actually published by D. Appleton & Co., 1894) through interlibrary loan yesterday, thanks to U.C. San Diego being willing to allow a 104 yr. old volume to travel. It makes interesting reading. I found that the above quote is almost entirely accurate--EXCEPT that the original has no mention of the Jews. Why am I not surprised?

When Washington made this statement he was, according to *Maxims* speaking of speculators in the currency, not Jews. I did a teensy bit of research & discovered that one of the great problems of our Revolution was that speculators cornered supplies of shoes, clothes & vital supplies & sold them at huge profits, while privateers would slip out of port & trade in other nations making individuals rich to the detriment of the national treasury. In a letter to John Augustine Washington (10/26/1778) Washington wrote:

"I would to God that one of the most atrocious of each State was hung in gibbets upon a gallows five times as high as the one prepared for Haman." (Haman~In the Old Testament, a Persian minister who was hanged for plotting the destruction of the Jews.)

As to what Washington really felt about the Jews, I have found no negative statements--although I _did_ find addresses to Jewish congregations congratulating them on the freedom from persecution that America offered them! As a matter of fact, Jews played a great part in our Revolution. They took part in our rebellion from the very
first: 9 Jews signed the Non-Importation Resolutions of 1765 (on display in Philadelphia at Carpenter's Hall). One, Haym Salomon, was a rich man who unstintingly gave money to help our leaders when in need (including Jefferson & Madison and other members of congress) & refused to be paid back & in addition gave many thousands of dollars to the Treaury & the army. Many other Jews gave money to our early government, including one Manuel Mordecai Noah who served as an officer on Washington's staff & who, upon enlistment, gave his entire fortune of 20,000 pounds to the cause. Many fought as soldiers.

Since Washington spoke out on his feelings about Indians and slaves, especially in his diaries & letters, I can't help but think that if he had any low opinions of Jews they would have surfaced long ago.

The original poster tried to use the words of Washington to spread his foul lies & prejudices. Hey Buryea, try _this_ quote from *The Maxims of Washington*:

"I am sure, the mass of citizens in these United States mean well; & I firmly believe they will always act well, whenever they can obtain _a right understanding of matters_. But, in some parts of the Union, where the sentiments of their delegates & leaders are adverse to government, and great pains are taken to inculcate a belief, that their rights are assailed & their liberties endangered, it is not easy to accomplish this; SPECIALLY, as is the case invariably, when INVENTORS & ABETTORS OF PERNICIOUS MEASURES use infinitely more industry, in DISSEMINATING POISON, than the well-disposed part of the community, in furnishing the antidote. TO THIS ALL OUR DISCONTENTS MAY BE TRACED; and from it all our embarrassments proceed." (p.76,
Maxims).


Source: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/what_they_said.html
Spoffin
17-06-2004, 23:25
DA: please don't post so much copy and paste stuff, no-one reads it and it takes ages to scroll through.
Guinness Extra Cold
17-06-2004, 23:27
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 23:27
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 23:28
Famous people on the jews.


GEORGE WASHINGTON, in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.: "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pests to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."

THOMAS JEFFERSON. 18th century American statesman: "Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in. " (D. Boorstin, THE AMERICANS)


SPRING-RICE, SIR CECIL. 20th century British politician: "One by one, the Jews are capturing the principal newspapers of America. (Letter of November 1914, to Sir Edward Grey, foreign secretary. Letters and Friendships)


POPE CLEMENT VIII: "All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor. Then as now Jews have to be reminded intermittently anew that they were enjoying rights in any country since they left Palestine and the Arabian desert, and subsequently their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live."


NESTA WEBSTER, in Secret Societies and Subversive Movements, page 370: "The Jewish conception of the Jews as the Chosen People who must eventually rule the world forms indeed the basis of Rabbinical Judaism... The Jewish religion now takes its stand on the Talmud rather than on the Bible."

COUNT HELMUTH VON MOLTKE, Prussian general: "The Jews form a state, and, obeying their own laws, they evade those of their host country. The Jews always consider an oath regarding a Christian not binding. During the Campaign of 1812 the Jews were spies, they were paid by both sides, they betrayed both sides."

H.L. MENCKEN: 20th century American writer: "The Jews could be put down very plausibly as the most unpleasant race ever heard of. As commonly encountered they lack any of the qualities that mark the civilized man: courage, dignity, incorruptibility, ease, confidence. They have vanity without pride, voluptuousness without taste, and learning without wisdom. Their fortitude, such as it is, is wasted upon puerile objects, and their charity is mainly a form of display." (Treatise on the Gods)

REV. MARTIN LUTHER, sermon at Eisleben, a few days before his death, February, 1546: "Besides, you also have many Jews living in the country, who do much harm...You should know the Jews blaspheme and violate the name of our Savior day for day... for that reason you, Milords and men of authority, should not tolerate but expel them. They are our public enemies and incessantly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ, they call our Blessed Virgin Mary a harlot and her Holy Son a bastard and to us they give the epithet of changelings and abortions. Therefore deal with them harshly as they do nothing but excruciatingly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ, trying to rob us of our lives, our health, our honor and belongings."


MARTIN LUTHER, Table Talk of Martin Luther, translated by William Hazlet, page 43: "But the Jews are so hardened that they listen to nothing; though overcome by testimonies they yield not an inch. It is a pernicious race, oppressing all men by their usury and rapine. If they give a prince or magistrate a thousand florins, they extort twenty thousand from the subjects in payment. We must ever keep on guard against them."

What world famous men said about these Jews: "They think they're bringing heaven, but actually they are messengers of the devil." Israeli Prime Minister, Shimon Peres, talking about Orthodox Jewish Rabbis on CNN, November 14, 1995

MARIA THERESA, Queen of Hungary and Bohemia (1771 - 1789): "Henceforth no Jew, no matter under what name, will be allowed to remain here without my written permission. I know of no other troublesome pest within the state than this race, which impoverished the people by their fraud, usury and money-lending and commits all deeds which an honorable man despises. Subsequently they have to be removed and excluded from here as much as possible."

Rabbi Rabinovich,

Forbid the Whites to mate with Whites. The White Women must cohabit with members of the dark races, the White Men with black women. Thus the White Race will disappear, for the mixing of the dark with the White means the end of the White Man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark peoples.

Question from the gathering: Rabbi Rabinovich,

Rabinovich: There will be no more religions. Not only would the existence of a priest class remain a constant danger to our rule, but belief in an after-life would give spiritual strength to irreconcilable elements in many countries, and enable them to resist us. We will, however, retain the rituals and customs of Judaism as the mark of our hereditary ruling caste, strengthening our racial laws so that no Jew will be allowed to marry outside our race, nor will any stranger be accepted by us. (Note: Protocol of Zion No. 17 para. 2, states: 'Now that freedom of conscience has been declared everywhere (as a result of their efforts they have previously stated) only years divide us from the moment of the complete wrecking of that [Hated] Christian Religion. As to other religions, we shall have still less difficulty with them.')

We may have to repeat the grim days of World War II, when we were forced to let the Hitlerite bandits sacrifice some of our people, in order that we may have adequate documentation and witnesses to legally justify our trial and execution of the leaders of America and Russia as war criminals, after we have dictated the peace. I am sure you will need little preparation for such a duty, for sacrifice has always been the watchword of our people, and the death of a few thousand lesser Jews in exchange for world leadership is indeed a small price to pay. To convince you of the certainty of that leadership, let me point out to you how we have turned all of the inventions of the White Man into weapons against him. His printing presses and Radios are the mouthpieces of our desires, and his heavy industry manufactures the instruments which he sends out to arm Asia and Africa against him.

Our interests in Washington are greatly extending the Point Four Program (viz. Colombo Plan) for developing industry in backward areas of the world, so that after the industrial plants and cities of Europe and America are destroyed by atomic warfare, the Whites can offer no resistance against the large masses of the dark races, who will maintain an unchallenged technological superiority. And so, with the vision of world victory before you, go back to your countries and intensify your good work, until that approaching day when Israeli will reveal herself in all her glorious destiny as the Light of the World." (Note: Every statement made by Rabinovich is based on agenda contained in the "Protocols of Zion.")









VOLTAIRE (Francois Marie Arouet) 18th century French philosopher, writer:

"Why are the Jews hated? It is the inevitable result of their laws; they either have to conquer everybody or be hated by the whole human race..."
"The Jewish nation dares to display an irreconcilable hatred toward all nations, and revolts against all masters; always superstitious, always greedy for the well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous - cringing in misfortune and insolent in prosperity." (Essai sur le Moeurs)

"You seem to me to be the maddest of the lot. The Kaffirs, the Hottentots, and the Negroes of Guinea are much more reasonable and more honest people than your ancestors, the Jews. You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables in bad conduct and in barbarism. You deserve to be punished, for this is your destiny." (From a letter to a Jew who had written to him, complaining of his 'anti-Semitism.' Examen des Quelques Objections...dans L'Essai sur le Moeurs.)







1963: Jews Bernard Roseman and Bernard Copley arrested smuggling in a large quantity of LSD-25 from Israel. The drug was manufactured at the Wiseman Institute in Israel. [Do you see now why the government cannot stop the drug traffic?] Jews repay Christian Americans for their hospitality and aid by making drug addicts out of their children. [Los Angeles Times, April 4, 1963).







1972: The American Jewish Congress filed a formal protest with the U.S. Post Office Department about a stamp to be issued representing Christianity. [But the Jews just recently clandestinely put a so-called star of David on a stamp issued by the Post Office.] The P.O. Department withdrew the stamp design to please the Jews. (Jewish Post & Opinion. August 17, 1972).



1972: The Jewish Committee Against Religious Encroachment in Schools filed in Federal Court to have the Yule Pageant in Westfield, N.J. banned. The suit charged, "the pageant favor belief in religion over non-religion and favors the Christian Religion over others [Jews]." (New York Daily News, Nov. 15, 1972).





1973: Jewish State Senator Anthony Beilenson (representing Beverly Hills) brought pressure on state officials and had the nativity scene removed from the Capitol grounds because it offended the Jews from his district. (Sacramento Union, December 22, 1973).





1976: Jewish owned movie studios in Hollywood produce two anti-Christian movies. "THE PASSOVER PLOT" which portrays Christ as a revolutionary who uses drugs to trick people into thinking he was crucified. "THE SEX LIFE OF JESUS," Christ is portrayed in a series of sexual encounters including homosexual [Think about it -- time after time the Jews make movies portraying our Lord Jesus Christ as a Queer. How can ANY thinking Christian possibly believe these are God's People HOW STUPID CAN CHRISTIANS BE?] "ACTS THE MANY FACES OF JESUS" is built around the same theme. [Other movies made since 1976 with that same theme, that Jesus Christ was a drug addict and Queer are "JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR," "LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST," "HEAVEN ON EARTH -- this one was not about Christ but about a fallen woman angel," "OH GOD-1" and "OH GOD-2" -- while these did not portray Jesus as a Queer they did portray Almighty God as a stupid mortal man -- and these are only a few of the many] (Tribune Review, November 16, 1976).

Commentary from owner of site below

"Where the hell are our so-called Christian Ministers? That's right in their pulpits, on television and radio crying out for more money and letting these antichrist perverts go on blaspheming Almighty God and the Lord Jesus Christ, while they suck up after these Satanic creeps! "





1977: President Jimmy Carter forced to apologize to the Jews living in America for telling his Bible class the truth, that The Jews Killed Christ. (Jewish Press, May 13, 1977)



1977: Russian Jews arriving in the U.S. given Medicaid by New York States as they claim being uncircumcised ruins their love life. They complain Jewish girls will not date them on RELIGIOUS grounds if they are not circumcised [I wonder if a Jew boy has to show the Jewish girls his privy member before he asks her for a date?] Despite Constitutional separation of Church & State, New York and Federal authorities give these foreign Jews taxpayer money to be circumcised so the Jew girls will date them.(Jewish Press, Nov. 25, 1977)



1977: Jews Urge Removal of Bible Toting Judge. The Anti-Defamation League sent a letter to the state Committee on Judicial Performance [California] to have Judge Hugh W. Godwin removed from the bench because "his Christian religious beliefs color the manner in which he dispenses justice." (L.A. Herald Examiner, June 24, 1977).





1977: Lutheran Church leaders are calling for the deletion of the hymn "Reproaches" from Lutheran hymnals because the "hymn has a danger of fermenting anti-Semitism." The ADL sent a letter commending the president of the American Lutheran Church for the action.





1977: The American Jewish Committee was responsible for the Episcopal Church removing two hymns "Reproaches" and "Improperia" from the Book of Common Prayer because they [truthfully] accused the Jews of the Crucifixion of Christ. Rabbi Marc Tannenbaum congratulated Episcopal Bishop Allin for "his historic act of respect for Judaism and friendship for the Jewish people." (Jewish Press).





1977: The National Jewish Commission of Law and Public Affairs is now forcing cemeteries to bury Jews on legal holidays. Cemeteries were normally closed to burials on legal holidays. However, since the Jews bury their dead quickly after death they are now forcing cemeteries to make special rules for them. Jews have been instrumental in having Christian Crosses removed from graves in veterans cemeteries because the crosses "Offend Them." (Jewish Press, November 25, 1977).



1977: The Anti-Defamation League has succeeded in getting 11 major U.S. firms to cancel their adds in the "Christian Yellow Pages." To advertise in the CYP, people have to declare they believe in Jesus Christ. The Jews claim they are offended by the idea of having to say they believe in Jesus Christ and yet want to force their way into the Christian Directories.



"The Jewish people, Rabbi Judah Halevy (the famous medieval poet and philosopher) explains in his 'Kuzari,' constitutes a separate entity, a species unique in Creation, differing from nations in the same manner as man differs from the beast or the beast from the plant...although Jews are physically similar to all other men, yet they are endowed [sic] with a 'second soul' that renders them a separate species." (Zimmer, Uriel, Torah- Judaism and the State of Israel, Congregation Kehillath Yaakov, Inc., NY, 5732 (1972), p. 12)





The Jews use such "religious" sounding words as "the Jewish faith," "the Jewish religion," "Jewish spiritual values," "Jewish religious doctrines," and like phrases which deceive and lead the unlearned into total equanimity. Behind this mask of religiosity stands a complete plan for world government, world power, world conquest, a Jewish kingdom of this world, and the destruction of Christianity.





CARDINAL MINDSZENTY, of Hungary quoted in B'nai B'rith Messenger, January 28, 1949: "The troblemakers in Hungary are the Jews... they demoralize our country and they are the leaders of the revolutionary gang that is torturing Hungary."



A. HOMER, writes in Judaism and Bolshevism, page 7: "History shows that the Jew has always been, by nature, a revolutionary and that, since the dispersion of his race in the second century, he has either initiated or assisted revolutionary movements in religion, politics and finance, which weakened the power of the States wherein he dwelt. On the other hand, a few far-seeing members of that race have always been at hand to reap financial and political advantage coincident with such upheavals."



A.N. FIELD, in Today's Greatest Problem: "Once the Jewishness of Bolshevism is understood, its otherwise puzzling features become understandable. Hatred of Christianity, for instance, is not a Russian characteristic; it is a Jewish one."





POPES ON THE JEWS. As a Catholic I am going to believe almost 2,000 years of Popes before I believe 50 years of "tolerance and brotherhood" crap. The precedent the popes of old set simply disappeared overnight with Vatican II, why? The jews subverted the Roman Catholic Church and began dictating doctrine.



SYLVESTER I. Condemned Jewish anti-Christian activity.



GREGORY I ('The Great'). Protested wholesale circumcision of Christian slaves by Jewish traders, who monopolized the slave trade in Europe and the Middle East and were widely suspected of supplying white girls to Oriental and African buyers.



GREGORY VIII. Forbade Jews to have power over Christians, in a letter to Alfonso VI of Castile.



GREGORY IX. Condemned the TALMUD as containing "every kind of vileness and blasphemy against Christian doctrine."



BENEDICT XIII. His Bull on the Jewish issue (1450) declared: "The heresies, vanities and errors of the TALMUD prevent their knowing the truth."



JULIUS III. Contra Hebreos retinentes libros (1554) ordered the TALMUD burned "everywhere" and established a strict censorship over Jewish genocidal writings - an order that has never been rescinded and which presumably is still binding upon Catholics.



PAUL IV. Cum nimis absurdim (1555) promulgated immediately after his coronation, was a powerful condemnation of Jewish usury. It embodies a model legal code to curb Jewish power that was recommended to all communities.



PIUS IV. Condemned Jewish genocidal writings.



PIUS V. Hebraeorum gens (1569) expelled all Jews from the Papal States.





GREGORY XIII. Declared that Jews: "continue to plot horrible crimes" against Christians "with daily increasing audacity."



CLEMENT VIII. Condemned Jewish genocidal writings.



ALEXANDER VIII. Condemned Jewish genocidal writings.



BENEDICT XIV. Quo Primum 1751) denounced Jewish control of commerce and "systematical despoliation" of the Christian through usury.



PIUS VII. Known generally as an 'anti-Semite' by Jewish writers.





SHAW, GEORGE BERNARD. 20th century British dramatist: "This is the real enemy, the invader from the East, the Druze, the ruffian, the oriental parasite; in a word: the Jew. (London Morning Post, December 3, 1925)



This craving for bouquets by Jews is a symptom of racial degeneration. The Jews are worse than my own people. Those Jews who still want to be the chosen race (chosen by the late Lord Balfour) can go to Palestine and stew in their own juice. The rest had better stop being Jews and start being human beings. (Literary Digest, October 12, 1932)



WAGNER, RICHARD. 19th century German composer: "The Jew has never had an art of his own, hence never a live of art-enabling import... "So long as the separate art of music had a real organic life-need in it, down to the epochs of Mozart and Beethoven, there was nowhere to be found a Jew composer: it was utterly impossible for an element quiet foreign to that living organism to take a part in the formative stages of that life. Only when a body's inner death is manifest, do outside elements win the power of judgment in it - yet merely to destroy it.

On one thing am I clear: that is the influence which the Jews have gained upon our mental life, as displayed in the deflection and falsification of our highest culture-tendencies. Whether the downfall of our culture can be arrested by a violent rejection of the destructive alien element, I an unable to decide, since that would require forces with whose existence I am unacquainted. (Judaism in Music)



SOMBART, WERNER. 20th century German economist: "Capitalism was born from the money loan. Money lending contains the root idea of capitalism. Turn to the pages of the TALMUD and you will find that the Jews made an art of lending money. They were taught early to look for their chief happiness in the possession of money. They fathomed all the secrets that lay hid in money. They became Lords of Money and Lords of the World...



FITZGERALD, F. SCOTT. 20th century American novelist: "Down a tall busy street he read a dozen Jewish names on a line of stores; in the door of each stood a dark little man watching the passers from intent eyes - eyes gleaming with suspicion, with pride, with clarity, with cupidity, with comprehension. New York - he could not dissociate it from the slow, upward creep of this people - the little stores, growing, expanding, consolidating, moving, watched over with hawks' eyes and a bee's attention to detail - they [were Jews.]



EMERSON, RALPH WALDO. 19th century American philosopher, poet: "The sufferance which is the badge of the Jew has made him, in these days, the ruler of the rulers of the earth. (Fate an essay)



HENRY WALLACE, Secretary of Commerce, under President Harry Truman, wrote in his dairy that in 1946 : "Truman was "exasperated" over Jewish pressure that he support Zionist rule over Palestine. Wallace added "Pres. Truman expressed himself as being very much 'put out' with the Jews. He said that 'Jesus Christ couldn't please them when he was here on Earth, so how could anyone expect that I would have any luck?' Pres. Truman said he hand no use for them and didn't care what happened to them."
Free Outer Eugenia
17-06-2004, 23:34
So there are many notable antisemites. So what? Are you saying that eventhough you are an ignorant bigot you are in good company?
The Black Forrest
17-06-2004, 23:52
I have shown your Washington quote to be false!

There are others but I won't bother. You just can't change a Racist.

I am done with this thread.
The Black Forrest
17-06-2004, 23:53
Ok one more.

On the Jefferson quote:

Firstly, anti-Semites should learn to quote their "sources" correctly and also include the relevant page number. The correct citation for the book is "The Americans – The Colonial Experience", Daniel. J. Boorstin, Vintage Books, 1958. The "quote" above has been changed from the original, which appears on page 64 of the paperback edition. Speaking about the American Quakers and the problems they experienced because, for example, they would not defend themselves against Indian attacks, he speaks of them as "a religious sect…acting with one mind, and that directed from the mother Society in England. Dispersed, as the Jews, they still form, as those do, one nation, foreign to the land they live in."

I don't see this as anti-Semitic or even anti-Quaker. Jefferson is simply commenting on the character of both the Quakers and the Jews of not totally assimilating with the surrounding society and maintaining their traditions. Whatever is wrong with this in a free society? Wasn't the freedom to practice one's religious beliefs one of the founding principles of the United States?

The imputation behind the original misquote is also at variance with Jefferson's support for both freedom of religious belief and practice and also his belief in freedom from religion. He was determined that the religious bigotry and intolerance in the Europe of his time would not be exported to America. In 1777 he drafted "An Act for Establishing Religious Freedom" and in 1779 when he became Governor of Virginia he introduced the Act into the legislature. An opposing bill, proposing to make Christianity the official religion of America was then introduced by Patrick Henry and had primarily Anglican support.

Jews along with Baptists, freethinkers and some Anglicans supported the Jefferson bill. James Madison made a speech to the Virginia General Assembly which strongly swayed support to the Jefferson bill and it became law on 16 Jan 1786. It read, in part:

"II. Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.'
Decisive Action
17-06-2004, 23:59
I have shown your Washington quote to be false!

There are others but I won't bother. You just can't change a Racist.

I am done with this thread.

You've shown nothing, you're just a liar.
The Black Forrest
18-06-2004, 00:01
I have shown your Washington quote to be false!

There are others but I won't bother. You just can't change a Racist.

I am done with this thread.

You've shown nothing, you're just a liar.

Well you should learn to read.

You are the one spreading the lies and even when shown they are false you will probably still quote the same lies.
Decisive Action
18-06-2004, 00:01
So there are many notable antisemites. So what? Are you saying that eventhough you are an ignorant bigot you are in good company?

I'll accept that charge of bigotry, but certainly not of ignorance. I know what the jews are, that is why I detest them and their plans to destroy Christianity, the white race, (they plan to destroy all non-jews for that matter). Ignorance is just a charge used by the Politically correct leftists because they not stand the fact that many educated and knowledgeable people are racists.
Spoffin
18-06-2004, 00:02
many educated and knowledgeable people are racists.Name five.
Decisive Action
18-06-2004, 00:03
I have shown your Washington quote to be false!

There are others but I won't bother. You just can't change a Racist.

I am done with this thread.

You've shown nothing, you're just a liar.

Well you should learn to read.

You are the one spreading the lies and even when shown they are false you will probably still quote the same lies.

You're the one making the distoration.

Try to distort this, "Purim Festival 1946"
Unfree People
18-06-2004, 00:08
I'll accept that charge of bigotry, but certainly not of ignorance. I know what the jews are, that is why I detest them and their plans to destroy Christianity, the white race, (they plan to destroy all non-jews for that matter). Ignorance is just a charge used by the Politically correct leftists because they not stand the fact that many educated and knowledgeable people are racists. I'm not a Jew and I wouldn't mind see Christianity destroyed.

Stop making such irrational and wide-spead general assumptions.
Decisive Action
18-06-2004, 00:11
I'll accept that charge of bigotry, but certainly not of ignorance. I know what the jews are, that is why I detest them and their plans to destroy Christianity, the white race, (they plan to destroy all non-jews for that matter). Ignorance is just a charge used by the Politically correct leftists because they not stand the fact that many educated and knowledgeable people are racists. I'm not a Jew and I wouldn't mind see Christianity destroyed.

Stop making such irrational and wide-spead general assumptions.


You're probably not a heterosexual white. I bet you're either a racial jew, or a homosexual, or perhaps a communist.

Remember "Purim Festival 1946"
The Black Forrest
18-06-2004, 00:11
I have shown your Washington quote to be false!

There are others but I won't bother. You just can't change a Racist.

I am done with this thread.

You've shown nothing, you're just a liar.

Well you should learn to read.

You are the one spreading the lies and even when shown they are false you will probably still quote the same lies.

You're the one making the distoration.

Try to distort this, "Purim Festival 1946"

Actually I am correct the misrepresentations....

Purim Festival 1946? Distort what the Streicher quote?
Unfree People
18-06-2004, 00:21
You're probably not a heterosexual white. I bet you're either a racial jew, or a homosexual, or perhaps a communist.
I'm a female living in the USA who broke up with her last boyfriend in January and is currently in a net relationship-type-thing with someone (a male) from this site. I'm of Austrian descent (very white), and a registered Democrat. I grew up Christian but as my forum title proclaims, I know think of myself as Athiest.

I also really hate bigotry.
The Holy Word
18-06-2004, 00:23
Does anyone else get a mental picture of Cartman dressed up as Hitler when they read Decisive Action's posts? I'll put money on him being a virgin as well. 8)
Decisive Action
18-06-2004, 00:33
many educated and knowledgeable people are racists.Name five.


Current
David Duke (National Association for the Advancement of White People)
Kevin Alfred Strom (National Alliance)


Past
Theodore Roosevelt
Warren Harding (KKK)
Calvin Coolidge (KKK)
Woodrow Wilson (KKK)
Grover Cleveland (accepted as being in the KKK)
Decisive Action
18-06-2004, 00:35
Does anyone else get a mental picture of Cartman dressed up as Hitler when they read Decisive Action's posts? I'll put money on him being a virgin as well. 8)

I'm not some male whore if that's what you're implying. I don't believe in sex outside of marriage. You have fun at the free clinic.
Letila
18-06-2004, 00:39
Theodore Roosevelt
Warren Harding (KKK)
Calvin Coolidge (KKK)
Woodrow Wilson (KKK)
Grover Cleveland (accepted as being in the KKK)

I'm so impressed. What's so great about presidents?

You're probably not a heterosexual white. I bet you're either a racial jew, or a homosexual, or perhaps a communist.

Yes, so I'm an anarcho-communist, so what! Black and red pride! Anarcho-communism is cooler than racism.

By the way, do some research on Alexander Berkman to see how accurate your claims that the Jews rule the world is.

-----------------------------------------
"The [Nazi] Party is based on the fundamental principle of private
property" - Adolf Hitler (What does that say about capitalism?)
Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
I like big butts!
http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/steatopygia.jpg
The Holy Word
18-06-2004, 00:45
I'm not some male whore if that's what you're implying. I don't believe in sex outside of marriage. You have fun at the free clinic.It wasn't. It's fascinating that you'd assume that though. Have you got a guilty conscience? I suppose the National Alliance has to raise it's money somehow.
Purly Euclid
18-06-2004, 00:57
Jews control the media and are disproportionally located in Congress? Good for them. It just means they have a good work ethic.
Now, could you tell me why a disproportionate number of farmers are Norweigian? Or a dispraportionate number of cabbies are Pakistani? Why are a disproportionate amount of Irishmen policemen? I could go on and on with this.
Decisive Action
18-06-2004, 02:05
Jews control the media and are disproportionally located in Congress? Good for them. It just means they have a good work ethic.


No, they collude and conspire to get into positions of power, it is all in keeping with their ways, it is all laid out in the Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion.


http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/protocols


The jewish talmud says that Agriculture is the lowest of occupations. They don't amass their wealth through hard work, but rather through usury, swindling, and fraud.
Katganistan
18-06-2004, 02:49
Benjammin Franklin said, "If we do not deal with the jews, our grandchildren will curse us in our graves."

A lie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Benjamin_Franklin



"The Jews work more effectively against us than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in. It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pests to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."

Source: Maxims of George Washington by A.A. Appleton & Co.

Unlikely, considering the Revolutionary War was funded in GREAT PART by Haym Solomon.
http://www.britannica.com/ebi/article?eu=337921&query=burg%2C%20yosef%20salomon&ct=%22ebi%22

http://www.nps.gov/revwar/about_the_revolution/haym_salomom.html

<sarcasm>But of course, it is all a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world... by making everyone THINK they are actually human like the rest of us...</sarcasm>
Katganistan
18-06-2004, 03:01
[5 US presidents were in the Ku Klux Klan, Warren Harding was sworn into the KKK in the green room of the white house.

Which five? and from credible sources.

And:
"We cannot go on, as we have gone for more than a half century, with one great section of our population, numbering as many people as the entire population of some significant countries of Europe, set off from real contribution to solving our national issues, because of a division on race lines." - Warren Harding.

Seems contradictory.
Decisive Action
18-06-2004, 03:09
Which five? and from credible sources.

And:
"We cannot go on, as we have gone for more than a half century, with one great section of our population, numbering as many people as the entire population of some significant countries of Europe, set off from real contribution to solving our national issues, because of a division on race lines." - Warren Harding.

Seems contradictory.

Warren Harding was sworn into the Invisible Empires Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Inc in the Greenroom of the White House by Imperial Wizard William J. Simmons himself, and 4 others. It is documented in klan records. They used a White House bible because the man tasked with bringing the bible was so nervous about meeting the president that he forgot to bring the bible.
Zyzyx Road
18-06-2004, 03:09
Because whites always have been a trusting and tolerant people to the point of naiveté. Romans were willing to encorporate about anybody into their empire, the gauls, the north african whites (Carthaginians), the north african arabs (berbers and moors), the north african blacks (mostly sudanese living in egypt), the white egyptians (greek mostly), the black egyptians, the greeks, the byzantines, etc.

Also whites fight amongst themselves over partisan issues and other trivial things that really don't matter. And the jews are a small group, but they are unified and they know how to terrorize and take advantage of a disunited majority.

They were also tolerant of the Native Americans, Black slaves, Irish, Jews, and modern day A-rabs :roll: :roll:
The Black Forrest
18-06-2004, 03:11
[5 US presidents were in the Ku Klux Klan, Warren Harding was sworn into the KKK in the green room of the white house.

Which five? and from credible sources.

And:
"We cannot go on, as we have gone for more than a half century, with one great section of our population, numbering as many people as the entire population of some significant countries of Europe, set off from real contribution to solving our national issues, because of a division on race lines." - Warren Harding.

Seems contradictory.


I don't know if quoting from the President who had one of the most corrupt adminsitrations ever is a good thing for your cause....
Zyzyx Road
18-06-2004, 03:13
Your just jealous because the black man invented the Super-Soaker 8)
Katganistan
18-06-2004, 03:15
Famous people on the jews.


GEORGE WASHINGTON, in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.: "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pests to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America." Already dispelled.

THOMAS JEFFERSON. 18th century American statesman: "Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in. " (D. Boorstin, THE AMERICANS)
http://www.lib.virginia.edu/speccol/exhibits/seek/tj.html

Yes, some of the the others were anti-semites but when you decide to fabricate your own facts you look worse than ignorant.

Still haven't found any links between Harding and the KKK -- and he DID sponsor an anti-lynching bill that never passed the senate.....
Decisive Action
18-06-2004, 03:16
[5 US presidents were in the Ku Klux Klan, Warren Harding was sworn into the KKK in the green room of the white house.

Which five? and from credible sources.

And:
"We cannot go on, as we have gone for more than a half century, with one great section of our population, numbering as many people as the entire population of some significant countries of Europe, set off from real contribution to solving our national issues, because of a division on race lines." - Warren Harding.

Seems contradictory.


I don't know if quoting from the President who had one of the most corrupt adminsitrations ever is a good thing for your cause....


Read Woodrow Wilson's "History of the American People". He proclaimed that "The Ku Klux Klan saved the south from the anarchy of black rule." (Which by the way it did)
Katganistan
18-06-2004, 03:17
Past
Theodore Roosevelt
Warren Harding (KKK)
Calvin Coolidge (KKK)
Woodrow Wilson (KKK)
Grover Cleveland (accepted as being in the KKK)

And your proof?
The Black Forrest
18-06-2004, 03:18
[5 US presidents were in the Ku Klux Klan, Warren Harding was sworn into the KKK in the green room of the white house.

Which five? and from credible sources.

And:
"We cannot go on, as we have gone for more than a half century, with one great section of our population, numbering as many people as the entire population of some significant countries of Europe, set off from real contribution to solving our national issues, because of a division on race lines." - Warren Harding.

Seems contradictory.


I don't know if quoting from the President who had one of the most corrupt adminsitrations ever is a good thing for your cause....


Read Woodrow Wilson's "History of the American People". He proclaimed that "The Ku Klux Klan saved the south from the anarchy of black rule." (Which by the way it did)

Consiering he was a White Supremist, I am not surprised.

But I will put that title on my never ending read list! ;)
NewXmen
18-06-2004, 03:18
Who rules America. Capitalists. As it should be.
Decisive Action
18-06-2004, 03:19
Still haven't found any links between Harding and the KKK -- and he DID sponsor an anti-lynching bill that never passed the senate.....


When Warren Harding died, they held a Klan funeral for him in Marion, Ohio; complete with full Klan regalia.


Also, Senator Hugo Black, later to become a Supreme Court Justice, was known to be a Klansman.
Katganistan
18-06-2004, 03:19
Which five? and from credible sources.

And:
"We cannot go on, as we have gone for more than a half century, with one great section of our population, numbering as many people as the entire population of some significant countries of Europe, set off from real contribution to solving our national issues, because of a division on race lines." - Warren Harding.

Seems contradictory.

Warren Harding was sworn into the Invisible Empires Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Inc in the Greenroom of the White House by Imperial Wizard William J. Simmons himself, and 4 others. It is documented in klan records. They used a White House bible because the man tasked with bringing the bible was so nervous about meeting the president that he forgot to bring the bible.

CREDIBLE sources. As in, corroborated by some agency OTHER than the KKK.
Katganistan
18-06-2004, 03:23
Decisive Action
18-06-2004, 03:27
Consiering he was a White Supremist, I am not surprised.

But I will put that title on my never ending read list! ;)


Don't forget the volume "History of the American People" is a massive reading, many books make up the volume. It would take a while.
The Black Forrest
18-06-2004, 03:31
Consiering he was a White Supremist, I am not surprised.

But I will put that title on my never ending read list! ;)


Don't forget the volume "History of the American People" is a massive reading, many books make up the volume. It would take a while.

You have more info on it? The copies I found only have 396 pages.....
Milance
18-06-2004, 04:28
For all these fancy words you use decisive action you are pretty ignorant. Media owned by jews? yeah thats why Jerry Fallwell, and Pat Robertson are so popular. And what about the movie The Passion since those jews control the motion pictures, i guess thats why that movie was so popular. Or that Jews control our Government! Then how was an evangelical christian was elected president. So what if 11 senators are JEWS! Jesus was Jewish, and he was a good leader. And when you speak of Romans being accepting, what do you call the persecution of all the Christians in their early history. Jesus was crucified by who? Pontius Pilot a roman governer. What about the crusades, white people just were upset and needed to blow off some steam i suppose. And Manifest Destiny, us whiteys were just so nice to the Indians when we told them "This Land Is Our Land." It is odd that we support Israel, because those Saudis are so wonderful, with their hijackers, suicide bombers and their ideology of hate towards the west they teach in schools and denounce to our leaders here at home. You mentiond one incident which very dubious about a ship called the liberty; what about the World Trade Center, Pentagon. According to you to your logic we should persecute the British people for torting the White House in 1812. Or the Spanish for the trying to touch Cuba in the early 1900's. What is the harm of having successful Jewish people in our society? Its not Jews who are corrupting our relationships with the world, its right wing christians! Is it really that bad to have Jewish CEO's or Media Moguls if they were all so powerful then why are soo many Jews apparently claiming themselves as christians, or that their are only 1%. We have real thing to worry about today in America, like healthcare, education, poverty, and disease. And here you are arguing about race, whocares if some woman loves another woman its their choice, if you believe its a sin then dont do it, it's your choice.Same for abortion, its a choice, just dont do it. I for one am a Catholic, although I consider myself a believer before any title or label, my church has disappointed me. They try and control our country, these religious nuts by forbidding anyone to recieve communion if they vote for a certain candidate. Why can't religion be personel, for yourself, not forced upon you as many christians do these days as we have throughout history, now they teach being a good christian rather than just a good person. You are blind if you think Jews are in control, it's christians just like me.
Milance
18-06-2004, 04:31
For all these fancy words you use decisive action you are pretty ignorant. Media owned by jews? yeah thats why Jerry Fallwell, and Pat Robertson are so popular. And what about the movie The Passion since those jews control the motion pictures, i guess thats why that movie was so popular. Or that Jews control our Government! Then how was an evangelical christian was elected president. So what if 11 senators are JEWS! Jesus was Jewish, and he was a good leader. And when you speak of Romans being accepting, what do you call the persecution of all the Christians in their early history. Jesus was crucified by who? Pontius Pilot a roman governer. What about the crusades, white people just were upset and needed to blow off some steam i suppose. And Manifest Destiny, us whiteys were just so nice to the Indians when we told them "This Land Is Our Land." It is odd that we support Israel, because those Saudis are so wonderful, with their hijackers, suicide bombers and their ideology of hate towards the west they teach in schools and denounce to our leaders here at home. You mentiond one incident which very dubious about a ship called the liberty; what about the World Trade Center, Pentagon. According to you to your logic we should persecute the British people for torting the White House in 1812. Or the Spanish for the trying to touch Cuba in the early 1900's. What is the harm of having successful Jewish people in our society? Its not Jews who are corrupting our relationships with the world, its right wing christians! Is it really that bad to have Jewish CEO's or Media Moguls if they were all so powerful then why are soo many Jews apparently claiming themselves as christians, or that their are only 1%. We have real thing to worry about today in America, like healthcare, education, poverty, and disease. And here you are arguing about race, whocares if some woman loves another woman its their choice, if you believe its a sin then dont do it, it's your choice.Same for abortion, its a choice, just dont do it. I for one am a Catholic, although I consider myself a believer before any title or label, my church has disappointed me. They try and control our country, these religious nuts by forbidding anyone to recieve communion if they vote for a certain candidate. Why can't religion be personel, for yourself, not forced upon you as many christians do these days as we have throughout history, now they teach being a good christian rather than just a good person. You are blind if you think Jews are in control, it's christians just like me.
Communist Mississippi
18-06-2004, 04:48
Consiering he was a White Supremist, I am not surprised.

But I will put that title on my never ending read list! ;)


Don't forget the volume "History of the American People" is a massive reading, many books make up the volume. It would take a while.

You have more info on it? The copies I found only have 396 pages.....

It is a multi-book set. I've found information on it. I may have to read it myself.
Decisive Action
18-06-2004, 04:49
It is a multi-book set. I've found information on it. I may have to read it myself.


It is indeed a multi set. I have read parts of it. Enjoy reading :)
The Katholik Kingdom
18-06-2004, 04:50
I'm guessing the government rules America.
Syrai
18-06-2004, 05:05
As a muslim I am ashamed to have you support Palistine. Our goal is not to kill Jews but to have our own state. The jews do oppres us, but have you whites not oppresed black and jewish people?
Furry Folk
18-06-2004, 06:22
Let me point out who created Israel.
Britain
Who is an ally of Britain?
United States

The U.S would have to support Israel because they would have to support Britain and more because if they wanted something else ten they would have to march in.

The U.S supported Zionism, but couldnt affect Israel.

Also calling Jews organised is like calling the Irish or Protestants organised.
Incorrect, the UN created Israel "Following World War II, the British withdrew from their mandate of Palestine, and the UN partitioned the area into Arab and Jewish states..." <-- CIA World Factbook, Israel, Background first sentance. If you're gonna state 'facts' get them right
Unterwasserseestaat
18-06-2004, 07:31
A few thoughts:
1. isn't it easier for jews to band together when there are people like DA out and about?

2. I've heard rants like this saying that Catholics or Freemasons actually rule the world (more presidents were Masons than you say were in the KKK). Are we being led up the wrong tree here? :roll:

3. Isn't it more troubling that there are so few major media outlets, regardless of who controls them? And what about instances of jewish propaganda we're bombarded with? (i.e. are Mickey and Spongebob circumsized?)

4. The most interesting thing I've noticed is that back in ancient times, the jews were very literate, when that was the high-tech job skill (going up to Gutenburg). Also, Rabbis started out as basically guys who knew a whole lot, so there's kind of a tradition of holding smart people in higher esteem. These are things that we stress in modern times, acquiring knowledge and filling in niches. If a large number of jewish people are successful, how can anyone blame them for getting in on the ideas we take for granted today thousands of years ago?
This didn't just work for Jews, early Christians were able to hopelessly infiltrate the Roman goverment because they stressed literacy, too.
Unterwasserseestaat
18-06-2004, 07:31
A few thoughts:
1. isn't it easier for jews to band together when there are people like DA out and about?

2. I've heard rants like this saying that Catholics or Freemasons actually rule the world (more presidents were Masons than you say were in the KKK). Are we being led up the wrong tree here? :roll:

3. Isn't it more troubling that there are so few major media outlets, regardless of who controls them? And what about instances of jewish propaganda we're bombarded with? (i.e. are Mickey and Spongebob circumsized?)

4. The most interesting thing I've noticed is that back in ancient times, the jews were very literate, when that was the high-tech job skill (going up to Gutenburg). Also, Rabbis started out as basically guys who knew a whole lot, so there's kind of a tradition of holding smart people in higher esteem. These are things that we stress in modern times, acquiring knowledge and filling in niches. If a large number of jewish people are successful, how can anyone blame them for getting in on the ideas we take for granted today thousands of years ago?
This didn't just work for Jews, early Christians were able to hopelessly infiltrate the Roman goverment because they stressed literacy, too.
The Goa uld
18-06-2004, 10:55
What the hell? Is Stormfool down again?
Decisive Action
18-06-2004, 17:10
2. I've heard rants like this saying that Catholics or Freemasons actually rule the world (more presidents were Masons than you say were in the KKK). Are we being led up the wrong tree here? :roll:

.


Every president except Kennedy has been a Mason.
imported_Hobb
18-06-2004, 17:33
Are you sure that only 1% is Jewish? That seems kinda low. Care to justify that?


CIA factbook, and other data, at the most they are 2%, but not much more, the exact numbers are hard to tell because so many Jews convert to Christianity or don't report themselves as jews. Rememer that the jew almost always seeks to blend in and conceal his identity when amongst non-jews. But not always, there are many who are openly jewish.

Oh, so it's just a 'p,oy', seeking to 'belnd in', so they can subvert 'us' from within, is that it?
Funny, I used to work for a Jewish person (really nice guy, for someone who was trying to take over the world by photographing weddings!), who was Orthodox...
And one of his big concerns was the number of Jews who were leaving Judaism, as a religion, behind, in order to marry christians (largely because your soulmates in Germany and Russia executed so many of them in WWII that there are very few of them left)!
It IS a Religion, AND it is a tribal (not racial) distinction, AND it is a cultural distinction, and you cannot completely seperate the three...
Yes, they are a bit touchy about people leaving their religion, because they were never very numerous before people like you tried to exterminate them, and they are now much less numerous...
And, may I also point out, they also controlled much of the Media in Germany, before the Nazis took over...
I wouldn't worry too much about this 'conspiracy', if I were you!

Oh, yeah, AND they also control most of the restaurant supply houses in Chicago (something about wanting to be able to eat at a Kosher restaurant)... Why aren't you complaining about THAT 'evil menace'? :P
Frishland
18-06-2004, 17:56
Oops, duplicate post, sorry.
Frishland
18-06-2004, 17:58
Frishland
18-06-2004, 17:59
I am sure that many people will immediately cry, "Hate", "Racism", and possibly, "Holocaust" in an attempt to silence debate and avoid the issues.

The main issue is that jews are just 1% of the United States population, yet there are 11 jews in the Senate (Out of 100 total) and there 23 in the House of Representatives (Out of 450) those are just the open jews, there are many jews who convert to Christianity in an attempt to blend in, but remember as the jews so often refer to themselves as the "Jewish people" or the "Jewish race", they are not a religion, they are a race, and as such changing their religion cannot change their race.


At least 45% of all CEOs are jewish, all major media is owned by jews. And to what ends do they use their control on the media? Has anybody ever heard a journalist or politician suggest we back the Arabs instead of Israel. Has anybody ever heard of the USS LIBERTY, the US naval ship that Israel attacked in 1967 to conceal their execution of Egyptian POWs in the Sinai, and to conceal they were readying to attack the Syrians at Golan Heights, an Israeli intelligence operative thought the US was going to fed information to the Arabs to prolong the conflict. Why he would think that who knows, America has backed Israel from the very beginning, despite the fact they have no oil, and they attack those who have the oil. If we really cared about oil, we'd back the Arabs. But no, we care about the New World Order and the politicians care about backing their Jewish Media Cabal.

http://www.ussliberty.org//
http://www.ussliberty.org//about.htm



Through their stranglehold on the world economy, jews are able to terrorize potential opponents into silence, and are able to dictate world opinion and world politics, they are a super power. Do not think that just because a jew is in America he is an American, they form a "State within a state", they always have been, still are, and always will be, foreign entities wherever they go. Their loyalties do not belong to their host nation, but rather they belong to the international jewish cabal.


Read and decide for yourself.


Okay, first of all, I deplore the tactic used by many whereby we cannot have genuine political debate because people cry "Hate!" "Racism!" and so on. I'm going to cry, "Ignorance!" But instead of doing that and going no further, I'm actually going to engage you in a debate, because I cannot stand the fascism of Political Correctness.

Now, "all major media is owned by Jews"? Is Rupert Murdoch a Jew? No, he is not. The owner of the most right-wing, pro-Israel news conglomerate in America is goyische. The White House is currently controlled by a Protestant theocracy that happens to be willing to work with Catholics and Jewish neoconservatives (like Paul Wolfowitz and Doug Feith) to bring about the Apocalypse, but the American--and the global--Jewish community as a whole is pretty goddamned left-wing.

45% of CEOs? I am deeply skeptical. However, Jews are indeed overrepresented in media, entertainment, business, and politics. This is something we should be proud of and extolled for, not something we should be bashed for. It means that we have a culture that values intellectual achievement. It does not mean that we have an intraracial conspiracy to control the world's wealth. That is ridiculous.

As for American support for Israel, I do think it has something to do with strong Jewish lobbying efforts. There is no pragmatic reason for American support of Israel--but then again, I wouldn't give America the moral high ground in putting pressure on Israel. I mean, the Israelis have behaved fairly well considering. I'm not denying that Sharon is a horrible, horrible racist with genocidal tendencies, and that his government is one of the worst in history. But the Israelis have generally, at least until the last three years, treated the Palestinians better than their Arab neighbors have, and certainly Israel has behaved better than the US. Nicaragua? South Africa? Iraq? Afghanistan? Exploitative "free trade" agreements? I could go on. If Americans had to put up with the horrible terrorism that Israelis do to anything like a similar scale, the US would nuke anything that moved. We would be going Abu Ghraib on the whole world, and sending biological and chemical weapons to every corner of the world.

So all in all, this Israel-bashing is very disproportionate, not just with regard to Israel's neighbors, but with regard to countries like the United States.

And finally, the implication that it is all a Jewish conspiracy is unevidenced and absurd. What does overrepresentation of Jews show to that effect? Which is a more likely argument: that Jews put an emphasis on intellectualism, or that the Elders of Zion control the world's wealth from Zurich?
Frishland
18-06-2004, 18:15
And the jews are a small group, but they are unified and they know how to terrorize and take advantage of a disunited majority.
Well, now, that's just silly. Getting Jews to agree on something is like herding cats.
Old Guard PC
18-06-2004, 18:23
And the jews are a small group, but they are unified and they know how to terrorize and take advantage of a disunited majority.
Well, now, that's just silly. Getting Jews to agree on something is like herding cats.

I was about to attack Decisive action's badly written propaganda "cut and paste" post when I read this comment and realized that you have just won this argument hands down.
imported_Hobb
18-06-2004, 18:27
imported_Hobb
18-06-2004, 18:28
<SNIP>
Okay, first of all, I deplore the tactic used by many whereby we cannot have genuine political debate because people cry "Hate!" "Racism!" and so on. I'm going to cry, "Ignorance!" But instead of doing that and going no further, I'm actually going to engage you in a debate, because I cannot stand the fascism of Political Correctness.
<SNIP>
As for American support for Israel, I do think it has something to do with strong Jewish lobbying efforts. There is no pragmatic reason for American support of Israel--but then again, I wouldn't give America the moral high ground in putting pressure on Israel. I mean, the Israelis have behaved fairly well considering. I'm not denying that Sharon is a horrible, horrible racist with genocidal tendencies, and that his government is one of the worst in history. But the Israelis have generally, at least until the last three years, treated the Palestinians better than their Arab neighbors have, and certainly Israel has behaved better than the US. Nicaragua? South Africa? Iraq? Afghanistan? Exploitative "free trade" agreements? I could go on. If Americans had to put up with the horrible terrorism that Israelis do to anything like a similar scale, the US would nuke anything that moved. We would be going Abu Ghraib on the whole world, and sending biological and chemical weapons to every corner of the world.

So all in all, this Israel-bashing is very disproportionate, not just with regard to Israel's neighbors, but with regard to countries like the United States.

And finally, the implication that it is all a Jewish conspiracy is unevidenced and absurd. What does overrepresentation of Jews show to that effect? Which is a more likely argument: that Jews put an emphasis on intellectualism, or that the Elders of Zion control the world's wealth from Zurich?

First, while I agree with you about Political Correctness, I have to say that 'Decisive Action' is not in a position to plead Ignorance...
His lies, while crude, are fairly well researched, and anything he leaves out seems to be a deliberate omission, not a simple mistake...

I also agree that the pressure that the US has put on Israel, recently, has been way out of line, considering the Palestinian reaction to the prospect that the Israelis might actually have agreed to their demands, and left them with a functioning peace agreement...
{Of course, that was not ALL Palestinians, but Yassir and company sure didn't do much to stop the wave of suicide bombings that scuttled the agreement...}
As to our 'free trade' agreements, most of those have done far more to hurt our own economy, than to help ours, and I think you can lay that more at the feet of our corporate sponsors, than any political group!
They HAVE meant huge profits for the Multinationals, but that hasn't been to the betterment of any one country, and for the most part, it has hurt everyone.

Once upon a time, if we had been treated as the Israelis have, we might have 'nuked everyone', or at least opened up a Major can of "Whoop-ass" on those responsible, but I'm afraid that the American people have changed, and not for the better, in that regard...
The number of people who would prefer that we just 'roll over', rather than go to war, no matter the provocation, is appalling!
Of course, never mind the Liberty, we seem to have forgotten about the USS Stark! {You know, the ship Saddam's pilot firead an Exocet at, killing 19 US Sailors, when we were supposed to be ALLIES? If that's not Causus Belli, then what the heck is?}

Finally, saying to someone like 'Decisive Action' that the Jews put an emphasis on intellectualism, is to merely add to the list of charges...
After all, an 'intellectual' is someone who'll actively seek to debate them, and who will check their facts, rather than blindly swallow whatever garbage they dish up...
This, alone, makes them the 'enemy'!
imported_Hobb
18-06-2004, 18:28
<SNIP>
Okay, first of all, I deplore the tactic used by many whereby we cannot have genuine political debate because people cry "Hate!" "Racism!" and so on. I'm going to cry, "Ignorance!" But instead of doing that and going no further, I'm actually going to engage you in a debate, because I cannot stand the fascism of Political Correctness.
<SNIP>
As for American support for Israel, I do think it has something to do with strong Jewish lobbying efforts. There is no pragmatic reason for American support of Israel--but then again, I wouldn't give America the moral high ground in putting pressure on Israel. I mean, the Israelis have behaved fairly well considering. I'm not denying that Sharon is a horrible, horrible racist with genocidal tendencies, and that his government is one of the worst in history. But the Israelis have generally, at least until the last three years, treated the Palestinians better than their Arab neighbors have, and certainly Israel has behaved better than the US. Nicaragua? South Africa? Iraq? Afghanistan? Exploitative "free trade" agreements? I could go on. If Americans had to put up with the horrible terrorism that Israelis do to anything like a similar scale, the US would nuke anything that moved. We would be going Abu Ghraib on the whole world, and sending biological and chemical weapons to every corner of the world.

So all in all, this Israel-bashing is very disproportionate, not just with regard to Israel's neighbors, but with regard to countries like the United States.

And finally, the implication that it is all a Jewish conspiracy is unevidenced and absurd. What does overrepresentation of Jews show to that effect? Which is a more likely argument: that Jews put an emphasis on intellectualism, or that the Elders of Zion control the world's wealth from Zurich?

First, while I agree with you about Political Correctness, I have to say that 'Decisive Action' is not in a position to plead Ignorance...
His lies, while crude, are fairly well researched, and anything he leaves out seems to be a deliberate omission, not a simple mistake...

I also agree that the pressure that the US has put on Israel, recently, has been way out of line, considering the Palestinian reaction to the prospect that the Israelis might actually have agreed to their demands, and left them with a functioning peace agreement...
{Of course, that was not ALL Palestinians, but Yassir and company sure didn't do much to stop the wave of suicide bombings that scuttled the agreement...}
As to our 'free trade' agreements, most of those have done far more to hurt our own economy, than to help ours, and I think you can lay that more at the feet of our corporate sponsors, than any political group!
They HAVE meant huge profits for the Multinationals, but that hasn't been to the betterment of any one country, and for the most part, it has hurt everyone.

Once upon a time, if we had been treated as the Israelis have, we might have 'nuked everyone', or at least opened up a Major can of "Whoop-ass" on those responsible, but I'm afraid that the American people have changed, and not for the better, in that regard...
The number of people who would prefer that we just 'roll over', rather than go to war, no matter the provocation, is appalling!
Of course, never mind the Liberty, we seem to have forgotten about the USS Stark! {You know, the ship Saddam's pilot firead an Exocet at, killing 19 US Sailors, when we were supposed to be ALLIES? If that's not Causus Belli, then what the heck is?}

Finally, saying to someone like 'Decisive Action' that the Jews put an emphasis on intellectualism, is to merely add to the list of charges...
After all, an 'intellectual' is someone who'll actively seek to debate them, and who will check their facts, rather than blindly swallow whatever garbage they dish up...
This, alone, makes them the 'enemy'!
imported_Hobb
18-06-2004, 18:29
Sorry about the multi-posts...
And, why isn't there a 'Delete' key on this bulletin board?
imported_Hobb
18-06-2004, 18:42
<SNIP>

At least 45% of all CEOs are jewish

And 100% are capitalists.

all major media is owned by jews

Even anime? :lol:

If the Jews rule America then the capitalists rule the world. Everything is owned by the rich.
-----------------------------------------
"The [Nazi] Party is based on the fundamental principle of private
property" - Adolf Hitler (What does that say about capitalism?)

Nothing, really...
It proves that Adolf was an incredible liar, but we already knew that!
In point of fact, the difference between the Communists and the Fascists was largely the difference between the 'Bloods', and the 'Crips'...
They both agreed that everything YOU owned was THEIRS, but it mattered what street gang got the goodies!

As far as the capitalism-bashing goes, please get real...
First, the rich do NOT own everything, and if they did, they would be far poorer...
Second, PLEASE do NOT confuse "Pro-corporate Socialism" for "Capitalism"...
We may be slightly more capitalist than most countries, but we are still far more socialist than we are Capitalist...
I'd kind of like to see someone in this world give capitalism a real try, but I suspect that's never going to happen!
Newtdom
18-06-2004, 18:53
No, now your just being stupid. The real holy scriptures are no longer in use, as they were either destroyed or hidden due to Rome and Babylonian assualts on Israel.

With regards to the media. You say Jews own it all? Well good for them, because its called free enterprise. Its called capitalism at its best. Just because your family cannot afford to buy a newspaper, or any other sort of media does not mean you should take it out on the echelon that does. You people are disgusting, you assume and manipulate facts more than anyone else. I'd like to point out that at first Israel was not supported by the US, as the US stayed neutral. Britain and France supported Israel. Israel is supported by the US because it is democratic..back to the Cold War. There is still animosity between democracy and exsupporters of Communism (Which all/most of the Arab nations were).

Your quotes are wrong as well. George Washington actually felt that the Jewish populace, which paid for the American Revolution mind you, were owed a great debt. Franklin, almost felt the same way as Washington as well...but Franklin despised all religion. Anyway, I'd argue all your points but its been a long day...perhaps tomorrow.


Israel a democracy? A nation where Arabs are not allowed in certain areas and signs proclaim "JEWS ONLY", it sounds like an segregationist state to me. Israel treats the Palestinians worse than South Africa treated their blacks in the 1960s-1980s, yet Israel gets economic assistance and military equipment, while South Africa got embargoes and condemnations.

WRONG, Israel allows its Arab/"Palestinian" citizens the right to vote. Not only that, they have members in the Knesset. Thats something your not told, is it? Because your wrong about the media, I've seen many many anti-Israel stories on the news, just as many as I've seen anti-Palestinian. Obviously, if you watch real news rather than "aryan news tonight" you would realize that. Not to mention, unless your from India you are not an Aryan. But even more important would be Israel is a Jewish State...hence when something says "Jews only" its allowed. There is a difference between Israel and South Africa. As Israel is 90% Jewish, and South Africa was 90% Black. Meaning, the 10% of the caucasians in SA were enforcing their minority rule. Where as in Israel, the 10% of Arab decendants are given the same rights as any Jew. Except in certain locations...
Decisive Action
19-06-2004, 00:30
There is a difference between Israel and South Africa. As Israel is 90% Jewish, and South Africa was 90% Black. Meaning, the 10% of the caucasians in SA were enforcing their minority rule. Where as in Israel, the 10% of Arab decendants are given the same rights as any Jew. Except in certain locations...

South Africa current racial composition (Very similar to when under Apartheid, except whites were 20% in 1980s)

Ethnic groups:
black 75.2%, white 13.6%, Colored 8.6%, Indian 2.6%



About Jews being 90% of Israel, when they are minorities (in every other nation they are only 1-2%) they complain for "protection of the minority rights" when they are in the majority (Only in Israel are they the majority) they complain about how the minority cannot be allowed to get in the way of the majority. They want to always win and never have to give up anything. They want to dominate when they're the minority, and the majority.
Conceptualists
19-06-2004, 00:32
About Jews being 90% of Israel, when they are minorities (in every other nation they are only 1-2%) they complain for "protection of the minority rights" when they are in the majority (Only in Israel are they the majority) they complain about how the minority cannot be allowed to get in the way of the majority. They want to always win and never have to give up anything. They want to dominate when they're the minority, and the majority.

You must be refering to the Jewish hive mind I hear so much about.
Roach-Busters
19-06-2004, 00:34
Who rules America? Oh, that's easy! The Council on Foreign Relations, of course. Our media, both political parties, many universities, several billionaire tax-empt foundations, etc. are dominated by CFR members.
Milance
25-06-2004, 05:57
For all these fancy words you use decisive action you are pretty ignorant. Media owned by jews? yeah thats why Jerry Fallwell, and Pat Robertson are so popular. And what about the movie The Passion since those jews control the motion pictures, i guess thats why that movie was so popular. Or that Jews control our Government! Then how was an evangelical christian was elected president. So what if 11 senators are JEWS! Jesus was Jewish, and he was a good leader. And when you speak of Romans being accepting, what do you call the persecution of all the Christians in their early history. Jesus was crucified by who? Pontius Pilot a roman governer. What about the crusades, white people just were upset and needed to blow off some steam i suppose. And Manifest Destiny, us whiteys were just so nice to the Indians when we told them "This Land Is Our Land." It is odd that we support Israel, because those Saudis are so wonderful, with their hijackers, suicide bombers and their ideology of hate towards the west they teach in schools and denounce to our leaders here at home. You mentiond one incident which very dubious about a ship called the liberty; what about the World Trade Center, Pentagon. According to you to your logic we should persecute the British people for torting the White House in 1812. Or the Spanish for the trying to touch Cuba in the early 1900's. What is the harm of having successful Jewish people in our society? Its not Jews who are corrupting our relationships with the world, its right wing christians! Is it really that bad to have Jewish CEO's or Media Moguls if they were all so powerful then why are soo many Jews apparently claiming themselves as christians, or that their are only 1%. We have real thing to worry about today in America, like healthcare, education, poverty, and disease. And here you are arguing about race, whocares if some woman loves another woman its their choice, if you believe its a sin then dont do it, it's your choice.Same for abortion, its a choice, just dont do it. I for one am a Catholic, although I consider myself a believer before any title or label, my church has disappointed me. They try and control our country, these religious nuts by forbidding anyone to recieve communion if they vote for a certain candidate. Why can't religion be personel, for yourself, not forced upon you as many christians do these days as we have throughout history, now they teach being a good christian rather than just a good person. You are blind if you think Jews are in control, it's christians just like me.
Socalist Peoples
25-06-2004, 06:22
Are you sure that only 1% is Jewish? That seems kinda low. Care to justify that?

think its about 3-5 depending on who u ask
Socalist Peoples
25-06-2004, 06:30
you know, reading all that about how the Jews are running the country just makes me wish i was Jewish. according to the Nazi, Jews outsmart everybody else, are better with money than anybody else, and control the world...i'm going to go read the Torah right now!

Actually the Talmud is their book that they place the highest importance in.



The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."He knows a bit too much about Jews I think. He's one of them!

*chases after him with a burning cross*

ZOG! ZOG! ZOG!!!

:lol:

but it isnt

thats just factually untrue

*prepares to run from neo-nazi mob*
Lenbonia
25-06-2004, 07:05
Lenbonia
25-06-2004, 07:07
Lenbonia
25-06-2004, 07:08
many educated and knowledgeable people are racists.Name five.


Current
David Duke (National Association for the Advancement of White People)
Kevin Alfred Strom (National Alliance)

Educated and knowledgeable? Hardly. They are the leaders of racist movements. I would say that disqualifies them. Show me a man who succeeds without relying upon the stupidity and ignorance of his followers and I might agree with you.


Past
Theodore Roosevelt
Warren Harding (KKK)
Calvin Coolidge (KKK)
Woodrow Wilson (KKK)
Grover Cleveland (accepted as being in the KKK)

Teddy Roosevelt:

Occasionally it enables one to meet emergencies in the best possible fashion. While I was Police Commissioner an anti-Semitic preacher from Berlin, Rector Ahlwardt, came over to New York to preach a crusade against the Jews. Many of the New York Jews were much excited and asked me to prevent him from speaking and not to give him police protection. This, I told them, was impossible; and if possible would have been undesirable because it would have made him a martyr. The proper thing to do was to make him ridiculous. Accordingly I detailed for his protection a Jew sergeant and a score or two of Jew policemen. He made his harangue against the Jews under the active protection of some forty policemen, every one of them a Jew! It was the most effective possible answer; and incidentally it was an object-lesson to our people, whose greatest need it is to learn that there must be no division by class hatred, whether this hatred be that of creed against creed, nationality against nationality, section against section, or men of one social or industrial condition against men of another social and industrial condition. We must ever judge each individual on his own conduct and merits, and not on his membership in any class, whether that class be based on theological, social, or industrial considerations.

Warren Harding: I'm not even going to bother trying to refute this one, because it doesn't even matter. Harding was one of *the* worst US Presidents, and was only selected for that post by a party boss because he "looked like a President" (what was actually said about him, look it up).

Calvin Coolidge:
Calvin Coolidge expressed his "sympathy with the deep and intense longing which finds such fine expression in the Jewish National Homeland in Palestine."

President Calvin Coolidge paid tribute to their role in the War of Independence:

The Jews themselves, of whom a considerable number were already scattered throughout the colonies, were true to the teachings of their prophets. The Jewish faith is predominantly the faith of liberty.

Woodrow Wilson: One of the strongest supporters of Israel of his time, although he did it mostly for religious reasons. Furthermore, look at this-

Jews and others were outraged by The International Jew (an anti-semitic book), and Ford received thousands of complaints. In September 1920, the Central Conference of American Rabbis, the National Council of Jewish Women and B’nai B’rith asked ADL to counteract Ford’s work. The League released a pamphlet, The Poison Pen, that targeted the Dearborn Independent and the men behind The International Jew. More than 100 prominent citizens, including President Woodrow Wilson, former Presidents Taft and Roosevelt, W.E.B. DuBois, Clarence Darrow, and William Jennings Bryan, signed The Perils of Racial Prejudice, a statement that urged "all those who are molders of public opinion" to "strike at" The International Jew, which it characterized as "un-American, un-Christian agitation." (parenthetical statement mine)

Grover Cleveland: Couldn't find anything about this guy for or against Jews. Oh well, no big deal.

As for the statement that, in Israel, some places are "Jews only". Give me an example. Just one, and not one involving a religious occasion/place (although you'd probably still be very hard-placed to find one even including those). Also, can you even imagine the difficulty involved in trying to enforce a Jew-only policy? What are you going to do, check everyone for a circumcision (which, BTW is the root of God's pact with Abraham and is therefore a Commandment, not some way to differentiate Jews from non-Jews. If you are not circumcised, you are breaking one of God's commandments, and that is why you must be circumcised if you are Jewish)? Israelis and Palestinians look very alike, you couldn't possibly hope to prohibit an Arab from entering a Jewish place based upon appearance.

Also, the Torah is THE most important book in Judaism. The Talmud's main purpose is to provide interpretations of the Torah! Furthermore, all Jews know that the Talmud was written by man, but many believe the Torah was written by God and given to Moses. At least get your facts straight, you poor deluded fool.

And don't even get me started on the Protocols on the Elders of Zion. This work has been proven to be a fraud hundreds of times, but still some ignorant people keep it preserved instead of throwing it into the garbage where it belongs.
Lenbonia
25-06-2004, 07:08
The Atheists Reality
25-06-2004, 07:33
i'd have to say the patriots rule america XD