NationStates Jolt Archive

Hey...I saw every other post..dangit..I demand equal airtime

1. No...we do not all look alike, don't even go there..admire us as unique individuals. if you think otherwise, we will beat your ass.

2. Yes I have lived on a reservation, in fact I will retire to one. Ask nicely bout it and I'll tell you..ask how many of us are drunks or welfare and we will beat your ass.

3. Are you a drunk or on welfare?...See response to #2.

4. Are you a Chief? No..are you a President?..not every Indian you'll meet is a Chief or son or daughter of a Chief....they tend to be a small crowd just like any other politician. Call me a Chief when I am not and we will beat your ass.

5. Do not call me Geronimo...he was an Apache...I am a Cherokee, if you must call me a name that isn't mine, use Sequoyah, our greatest sage, it'd be an honor to be mistaken for him. To do otherwise and expect us to beat your ass.

6. Do you have a squaw?...No...we have wives..squaw is a term that early white trappers originally fostered off on Indians and whites just assumed it was an Indian term..Call our wives "squaws" and expect to get your ass beat.

7. Have you ever gone thru any weird ceremonies?...They are not weird, but longstanding deeply held traditions that have survived longer then Western Civilization. Call them different..but mock them and we will beat your ass.

8. Do I worship a rock or tree? No..each tribe has different religous beliefs...but we do have a central theme of multiple Gods or spirits and combined with nature-based belief structures...call my faith stupid and we will beat your ass.

9. Has anyone in my family scalped a person?...The cherokee did not utilize scalping..actually scalping was a practice originally begun by white trappers to sell to other whites as a prize. Indians merely returned the favor. The Cherokee "counted coup" in battle..to touch an enemy without showing fear of death was a honor. Ask me such a question and I will beat your ass.

10. You are a warrior or at least were a Marine in combat..did you scalp there?...See response to question #9 and even if I did I wouldn't tell you.

11. Do you ride bareback like the Indians did in the movies? No..I use a saddle on my horses..Do you ride bareback in your car? See..silly question..ask and Indian of it and we will mostly likely beat your ass.

12. No..I do not own a peace pipe...Do you own one?..They are unique items kept in trust by either a religous clan or tribal council...ask most Indians this question and expect to get your ass beat.

13. Finally...Why don't you people just get over being and Indian..you're an American?...Wrong..we were Indians long before we were American, I am American by citizenship...Cherokee by birth...we Indians made have made the best of a bad situation by becoming an American subculture but make no mistake...we were dragged kicking and screaming into this relationship...respect us for this position..It's not a commonly held one, most Indians will tell you they are Americans without thinking and they'd be right..but they will just as quickly tell you what tribe they are..If you are not willing to accept this..then perhaps an ass-whoppin is in order.

We will beat your ass?

You mean "We will kick your ass"?

We will beat your ass?

You mean "We will kick your ass"?

beat means different kinds of pain infliction techniques

sorry salishe or whatever your name is. but im just not feeling this one

sorry salishe or whatever your name is. but im just not feeling this one

Oh well...I suppose it wasn't supposed to make headlines and begin a philosophical debate..just chalk it up to a minor, petty rant of no small import to anyone but me.

Salishe, how commonly is the use of the term 'Indian' used by your people to describe themselves?

(I'm not from the US, so excuse my ignorance)

Salishe, how commonly is the use of the term 'Indian' used by your people to describe themselves?

(I'm not from the US, so excuse my ignorance)

It depends on a few factors...we've been assimilated as an American sub-culture for over a century..so the word is pretty common..of those of us who prefer to live out our lives on our reservations some who follow our tribal traditions may use tribal names...for example..Cherokee is not the word we use for ourselves..but Tsalag.

So, 'Cherokee' is the Creek term for the Tsalagi?


I was actually asking about the term "indian" as opposed to "native american" in my first question.

Well..if you sound it out..it's an English bastardizaiton of the Word Tsalagi, not Tsalag..sorry..word typo...

Che ro kee
Tsa la gi

to a 17th century English or French trader's ear..the word Tsalagi may very well have come out sounding like Cherokee...

6. Do you have a squaw?...No...we have wives..squaw is a term that early white trappers originally fostered off on Indians and whites just assumed it was an Indian term..Call our wives "squaws" and expect to get your ass beat.Isn't that also true of the term "Indian" though, being as it is dramatically innaccurate and imposed by Western explorers.

I thought "Indian" was an insulting term and "Native American" was the preferred thing to be called by the whities.

also I am not Indian, but I do own a peace pipe. ;)

I also feel so very bad for the strife the Native Americans have had to and still do endure. I listen to American-Indian Airwaves almost every week and I must say that I have been brought to tears many times. :(

Peace - Laughter - Love And Light to you all

So, 'Cherokee' is the Creek term for the Tsalagi?


I was actually asking about the term "indian" as opposed to "native american" in my first question.

There is no clear consensus..most don't mind the term "indian" even though it's historically and geographically incorrect..some like me are just nit-pickers I suppose in that if we must be labeled as anything..it's Native American...Indians are those guys in South Asia.

I thought "Indian" was an insulting term and "Native American" was the preferred thing to be called by the whities.

also I am not Indian, but I do own a peace pipe. ;)

I also feel so very bad for the strife the Native Americans have had to and still do endure. I listen to American-Indian Airwaves almost every week and I must say that I have been brought to tears many times. :(

Peace - Laughter - Love And Light to you all

i'm sure everyone appreciates your patronizing liberal guilt

I thought "Indian" was an insulting term and "Native American" was the preferred thing to be called by the whities.

also I am not Indian, but I do own a peace pipe. ;)

I also feel so very bad for the strife the Native Americans have had to and still do endure. I listen to American-Indian Airwaves almost every week and I must say that I have been brought to tears many times. :(

Peace - Laughter - Love And Light to you all

i'm sure everyone appreciates your patronizing liberal guiltAs opposted to your pure, patriotic Nordic honour of course.

awwww NV did I upset you by caring for people? I'm so sorry. I'll try to be more heartless in the future so that you can be more comfortable.

Well..if you sound it out..it's an English bastardizaiton of the Word Tsalagi, not Tsalag..sorry..word typo...

Che ro kee
Tsa la gi

to a 17th century English or French trader's ear..the word Tsalagi may very well have come out sounding like Cherokee...

Hmm, the page here (http://www.native-languages.org/cherokee.htm) claims differently:

'Cherokee' is Creek for 'people with another language'.

Well..if you sound it out..it's an English bastardizaiton of the Word Tsalagi, not Tsalag..sorry..word typo...

Che ro kee
Tsa la gi

to a 17th century English or French trader's ear..the word Tsalagi may very well have come out sounding like Cherokee...

Hmm, the page here (http://www.native-languages.org/cherokee.htm) claims differently:

'Cherokee' is Creek for 'people with another language'.

Well..if you sound it out..it's an English bastardizaiton of the Word Tsalagi, not Tsalag..sorry..word typo...

Che ro kee
Tsa la gi

to a 17th century English or French trader's ear..the word Tsalagi may very well have come out sounding like Cherokee...

Hmm, the page here (http://www.native-languages.org/cherokee.htm) claims differently:

'Cherokee' is Creek for 'people with another language'.

Granted..the Creek word is "Cherokee"..but as the website stipulates...whites learned another tribes' languages other then our own to identify ourselves..but we say it as Tsalagi

Cherokee, comes from a Creek word "Chelokee" meaning "people of a different speech." In their own language the Cherokee originally called themselves the Aniyunwiya (or Anniyaya) "principal people" or the Keetoowah (or Anikituaghi, Anikituhwagi) "people of Kituhwa." Although they usually accept being called Cherokee, many prefer Tsalagi from their own name for the Cherokee Nation (Tsalagihi Ayili).

There you go cousin. Now that is settled.

awwww NV did I upset you by caring for people? I'm so sorry. I'll try to be more heartless in the future so that you can be more comfortable.

no actually your unconscious racism warmed my fascist heart, and your ability to engage in a colonial discourse on native americans even while one was present was in the finest white imperial tradition. congraduations my aryan sibling you are more than half way there! :wink:

awwww NV did I upset you by caring for people? I'm so sorry. I'll try to be more heartless in the future so that you can be more comfortable.

no actually your unconscious racism warmed my fascist heart, and your ability to engage in a colonial discourse on native americans even while one was present was in the finest white imperial tradition. congraduations my aryan sibling you are more than half way there! :wink:
Oh please, oh please...

*checks*

Nah, he doesn't have a swastika flag. I was hoping we could get rid of him straight away.

Nah, he doesn't have a swastika flag. I was hoping we could get rid of him straight away.

I'm as yet undecided whether I should view Nationalist Valhalla as your actual Nazi or as a new incarnation of SS Division Viking being played with a much straighter face...

Cherokee, comes from a Creek word "Chelokee" meaning "people of a different speech." In their own language the Cherokee originally called themselves the Aniyunwiya (or Anniyaya) "principal people" or the Keetoowah (or Anikituaghi, Anikituhwagi) "people of Kituhwa." Although they usually accept being called Cherokee, many prefer Tsalagi from their own name for the Cherokee Nation (Tsalagihi Ayili).

There you go cousin. Now that is settled.

Difficult enough to try to give meaning to words that have dual purpose and try to explain it to non-Indians...but I suppose I could throw in the mix our tribal sub-septs amongst the Chickamauga and Choctaw...ughh..

awwww NV did I upset you by caring for people? I'm so sorry. I'll try to be more heartless in the future so that you can be more comfortable.

no actually your unconscious racism warmed my fascist heart, and your ability to engage in a colonial discourse on native americans even while one was present was in the finest white imperial tradition. congraduations my aryan sibling you are more than half way there! :wink:
Oh please, oh please...

*checks*

Nah, he doesn't have a swastika flag. I was hoping we could get rid of him straight away.

my questions are... Wher am I halfway to being? Why does he think I am white? and How the hell did he get into my unconscious and find my racist components?

Ohsiyo.

Here'is one that has bugged me for a while.
I have always assumed that your internym was an alternate spelling of the "Flathead" tribe Salish. Am I correct? If so, why did you take it? If not, where did it come from?

And are you western or eastern?


On the word origin:
Names
The most proper name for the Cherokee people would actually be Ani-Yunwiya, which means “The Principle People” in the Cherokee language. Another meaning is akin to “People of God” in English, but with a probably slightly different interpretation of “God” in the traditional sense.

Tsalagi?
The word Cherokee or Tsalagi is actually a Choctaw word for “cave-land-people”. The Delawares called the tribe the same thing, but their word is “Tallageni”, the root of Allegheny. Cherokee is the way the invaders chose to pronounce Tsalagi. The Cherokee language itself does not use the ch sound or the r sound as they appear in English.
Source (http://public.csusm.edu/raven/cherokee.dir/cherokee.html)

dp

What about?

Is your name Tonto?

Are you related to Tonto?

*runs*

:P

dp

Ohsiyo.

Here'is one that has bugged me for a while.
I have always assumed that your internym was an alternate spelling of the "Flathead" tribe Salish. Am I correct? If so, why did you take it? If not, where did it come from? you are correct, I did in fact take it from that West Coast tribe..I admire their artwork is all

And are you western or eastern? Eastern Band, born on the Qualla Reservation


On the word origin:
Names
The most proper name for the Cherokee people would actually be Ani-Yunwiya, which means “The Principle People” in the Cherokee language. Another meaning is akin to “People of God” in English, but with a probably slightly different interpretation of “God” in the traditional sense.

Tsalagi?
The word Cherokee or Tsalagi is actually a Choctaw word for “cave-land-people”. The Delawares called the tribe the same thing, but their word is “Tallageni”, the root of Allegheny. Cherokee is the way the invaders chose to pronounce Tsalagi. The Cherokee language itself does not use the ch sound or the r sound as they appear in English.
Source (http://public.csusm.edu/raven/cherokee.dir/cherokee.html)

What about?

Is your name Tonto?

Are you related to Tonto?

*runs*

:P

:P

No, but Jay Silverheels was awesome.

What about?

Is your name Tonto?

Are you related to Tonto?

*runs*

:P

:P

No, but Jay Silverheels was awesome.

Yeah..he was great..and if hadn't been for him....the Ranger would have been lost, killed, skinned, or stumbling around in the dark...hehe