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What do U people think about the wiccan religion and if any wiccans are here just want to let you know i am one 2. :D

That's really more of a topic for the "General" forum. I'll see if we can get this moved for you, no harm done.

Opinion? None on the religion in particular. I've met Wiccans I've liked, and others I haven't cared for. Depending on which branch you're talking about (Gardnerian, Alexandrian, etc), my opinions vary as to the theory and how it's implemented.

All in all, I have no major issues with a religious belief whose basic rede involves not hurting people.

*boot*

I hold to two basic truths.

1. All religions are silly.

2. Wicca is sillier than most.

Asatuers are sillier than them all, but Wicca is pretty silly.
Dancing about, and "casting spells".


Silly.

Never met a true Wiccan outside the internet but...

I met some pretty cool Wiccans here awhile back on my old account(Guerrilla Warriors), but haven't seen them post in awhile.

Actually, Wicca has the potential to work. The mind functions solely on a basis of input and output, where the output is based upon previous input. If one could alter the input, they could alter the output appropriatly. Sometimes this happens accidentally, like when a man died after reading a horsepill he took was poisonous, even though it was actually a placebo. Now, consider adding magic to the mix. If everyone involved in the occurance believed it to work, their minds would percieve it works, and therefore it does work. No, I'm not Wiccan, just a radical atheist.

As long as they don't bother people; I don't care.....

I just posted this due to the fact that most people associate the word wiccan meaning witch with pagan or satan worshiper :twisted: and I just did not want people to get the wrong idea about them I mean they aren't people who cut out rats guts or that sort and hang them from trees and they dont dance around singing and they aren't silly and it is my religion so you people should shut your :evil: fucking mouths about the religion! :evil: :evil: :evil:

I just posted this due to the fact that most people associate the word wiccan meaning witch and I just did not want people to get the wrong idea about them I mean they aren't people who cut out rats guts or that sort and hang them from trees and they dont dance around singing and they aren't silly and it is my religion so you people should shut your :evil: f--- mouths about the religion! :evil: :evil: :evil:

Did you, or did you not ask for opinions about Wicca?

If you were just going to fly off the handle to the first person that said something you didnt like, then you ahve no business on this forum.

I never called Wiccans witches....everyone knows that.
Ive actually done a lot of reading about it, and I find it to be absolutely silly.

You dont like my opinion?

Too bad.

Stepford... I understand your irritation at being labeled "silly" and I agree that Wicca is valid and legitimate, but if you ask what people think, you have to expect both sides of the issue, and you can't just tell the other side to shut up. You did ask what people thought of the religion.

I just posted this due to the fact that most people associate the word wiccan meaning witch with pagan or satan worshiper :twisted: and I just did not want people to get the wrong idea about them I mean they aren't people who cut out rats guts or that sort and hang them from trees and they dont dance around singing and they aren't silly and it is my religion so you people should shut your :evil: f--- mouths about the religion! :evil: :evil: :evil:

:roll:

Is their any Religion that does not get so easily offended?

I think Wicca has something to it, but I just get tired of seeing these middle-aged new-agers and teenage goth/wicca types with their changed names and their pretty toys.

Frankly, if you have to use spells or props, you're an amateur. You should be able to change the world without them, they're just memory and concentration aids. Prayer in the christian world serves the same function. It focuses your concentration on a goal.

If by Wiccan, you mean "Plays dungeons and dragons and occasionally shouts LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT!" then, no, I'm Catholic.

I have no interest in fairy tales -- this includes all religions :shock:

Ash-

(I refer to all Wiccs as that, don't ask why, long (kinda funny) story.)

What's your personal interpitation of the book of shadows, honeychile?

I am not a wiccan, but I am a witch.

To explain (since I am certain to have questions about the difference), wicca is like a denomination of paganism. Under it are often sects too. I do not follow ANY of the prescribed paths of wicca, though I follow the rede. But mine is moreso because I believe in the laws of Karma, and I dont feel like dealing with the blows you get from harming others.

I do cast. I circle. I chant and sing. I perform rituals, and I observe holidays. I also do other things which I wont bring here since I dont feel the need to defend my beliefs.

I hold to two basic truths.

1. All religions are silly.

2. Wicca is sillier than most.

Asatuers are sillier than them all, but Wicca is pretty silly.
Dancing about, and "casting spells".


Silly.


hey i resent that, we odinists are not sillier than wiccans, just less girlie :wink:

Religion is lame.

All the 'Wiccans' I've met were stupid fluffbunnies who didn't know a thing about their religion.

PS: Odinism is pretty lame too, especially when used as an excuse for racism.

Religion is lame.

All the 'Wiccans' I've met were stupid fluffbunnies who didn't know a thing about their religion.

PS: Odinism is pretty lame too, especially when used as an excuse for racism.


quiet godless minion of jewish communism

Religion is lame.

All the 'Wiccans' I've met were stupid fluffbunnies who didn't know a thing about their religion.

PS: Odinism is pretty lame too, especially when used as an excuse for racism.


quiet godless minion of jewish communism

You can't be Jewish and godless... :roll:

Jews aren't a race.

Religion is lame.

All the 'Wiccans' I've met were stupid fluffbunnies who didn't know a thing about their religion.

PS: Odinism is pretty lame too, especially when used as an excuse for racism.


quiet godless minion of jewish communism

You can't be Jewish and godless... :roll:

Jews aren't a race.

But they are at least an ethnicity or something like that.

Religion is lame.

All the 'Wiccans' I've met were stupid fluffbunnies who didn't know a thing about their religion.

PS: Odinism is pretty lame too, especially when used as an excuse for racism.


quiet godless minion of jewish communism

You can't be Jewish and godless... :roll:

Jews aren't a race.

Jews are a race, defined usually by their religion, but also by their distinctive features.

Religion is lame.

All the 'Wiccans' I've met were stupid fluffbunnies who didn't know a thing about their religion.

PS: Odinism is pretty lame too, especially when used as an excuse for racism.


quiet godless minion of jewish communism

You can't be Jewish and godless... :roll:

Jews aren't a race.





Jews are a race, defined usually by their religion, but also by their distinctive features.

cough *rascist* cough.

Religion is lame.

All the 'Wiccans' I've met were stupid fluffbunnies who didn't know a thing about their religion.

PS: Odinism is pretty lame too, especially when used as an excuse for racism.


quiet godless minion of jewish communism

You can't be Jewish and godless... :roll:

Jews aren't a race.

Jews are a race, defined usually by their religion, but also by their distinctive features.

Some Jews and all Arabs are Semites, most other Jews are Slavs, a few are black.

Therefore Jews are not a race.

Im a racist?

If you feel that to be true, perhaps you could explain why.

There are distinctive features to the Jewish race, including DNA markers that exist mostly within their own culture.

Im a racist?

If you feel that to be true, perhaps you could explain why.

There are distinctive features to the Jewish race, including DNA markers that exist mostly within their own culture.

I think he was referring to your name.

religion is religion is religion.

but we should mos def make fun of those that can't laugh at themselves.

like asatru/odinists (bunch of friggin Wagner (VAGNER!) listening Nazis)
like wiccans (spells are prayer. you have a high priest. you're christian.)
like dianic wiccans (you're swapping a God for a Goddess. Christianity with a new gender)
like celtic (no, you're not a pict. they have no decendants)

i think I would respect paganism more if they had Egyptian (greek, celtic, roman) Pantheon Terrorists.

p.s. - pagans, you're stuff's not all that original. hebrews had a pantheon, too. till it got written out of history..

My name comes from a derivitive of my real life last name.

My last name prolly originated from a serfian society by this name, stretching back from Old England.

Psst: paganism has been around longer than Hebrew.

Paganism stretches back to pre-historic times too.

Ive seen no one say paganism (in its MANY forms) is a new religion.
In fact, its a very OLD religion.

how do you have proof that something exists in pre-historic times?
pre-historic means "before events were recorded."

paganism isn't old, really. parts of it are - such as the respective worship of cultural pantheons. that does not paganism make. Pagan means "Country person," only in "recent" times has it come to mean what it means today. However, pagans themselves can't agree on what paganism means.

Actually, paganism isnt a defined religion.

It is a catch-all phrase for many earth-based religions.

The fact that I know paganism has been around a long time would involve divulging things that I said I didnt want to get into in the first place, and then defending what Ive said.

However, pre-historic means "before WRITTEN record", and you can tell alot about the practices of a people from the artifacts they leave behind... even if there wasnt a written history of them.

but there are some pagan paths that aren't "Earth-based."

Discordianism, for one. Paganistic Spiritualism is two. Buddhism, which some pagans consider pagan, is not earth-based. The list goes on..

Again, catch-all phrase.

The term paganism is so loosely termed for the reason of allowing for spiritual flexibility and to promote acceptance of others.

Its so loosely termed that there is no end to the number of definitions for it.

It tries to give a solution, but ends up with more problems.

I do not worship any one pantheon. My wards are MOSTLY Egyptian, but not exclusively. I dont call on any one set of gods or goddesses during ritual. I guess I am what you call a Universal Witch.

like celtic (no, you're not a pict. they have no decendants)


Tell that to Scottish and Welch people.

like celtic (no, you're not a pict. they have no decendants)


Tell that to Scottish and Welch people.

yeah i thought the picts were celts related to the modern welsh who were just eventually absorbed into the gaelic celts who colonized scotland from ireland

Is Wicca even a religion? I thought it's still defined as a cult.
In any case, lost a friend when he became a wiccan. He went even more coocoo in the head then he was before.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for freedom of believes, but just don't bother anyone else with your beliefs.

Personally I see religion as a fictional work, who's only purpose is to control the masses of society. I put my faith in science thankyouverymuch.

No, that would be ORGANIZED religion...

Wicca is an actual sect of paganism. It has defined practices that vary within each subsect. (Gardenerian, Buckland, ect, ect)

No, that would be ORGANIZED religion...

Wicca is an actual sect of paganism. It has defined practices that vary within each subsect. (Gardenerian, Buckland, ect, ect)

yeah, i'm not personally all that impressed with wicca, but its generally way to decentralized, individualistic, and laid back to be a cult. not that a small cultish grouping couldn't exist locally within the broad movement.

Some subsects of Wicca are extremely rigid.

Those who practice a more "laid-back" form are actually not wiccan, they are witches.

Some subsects of Wicca are extremely rigid.

Those who practice a more "laid-back" form are actually not wiccan, they are witches.

just so long as they don't put menstral blood in the spagetti sauce they are okay with me.

Interesting that this topic came up. Oh, and thanks to Jovia Maritima for the Discordian mention. Big fan of that general absurdist outlook.

After several years of a disinterested Agnosticism, I've been checking out Wicca again (I was once a practicioner). I'm not looking to get back into it, but I've always enjoyed the idea of a spiritual belief that involves a respect for others, a love of the environment, and a sense of mystery.

While careful historical research would tend to indicate the the "Burning Times" are heavily exaggerated by modern authors, and that most if not all of Gardner's work was a mishmosh of Crowley and the discredited anthropologist Margaret Murray, what matters to me is whether or not people find spiritual fulfillment in the practice. Many do.

Sure, fluffbunnies and darkbunnies exist. I've had many a dreary conversation with "Oh, unicorns are real!" and "I'll put a curse on you for looking at my girlfriend" types. But I wouldn't judge the spiritual practice by these people anymore than I would judge all Christians by the attacks of clinic bombers.

I have dabled a little, but Catholic/Lutheran and something else I believe I am.

I'm Wiccan myself, of the eclectic kind. I simply found it to be the faith that most appropriately matched my beliefs. The guidelines of doing as you will as long as you harm none along with the prospect of constant self-improvement, to name some examples, are right along my lines of thinking.

I've read a number of books, and taken to myself the parts that I like. The parts I feel uncomfortable with, I disregard. In this manner I discovered my own version that suits me perfectly. (Of course, it's an ongoing process.)

I will never understand collective religions such as Christianity or Islam, where people believe what is right or wrong according to what others tell them. Faiths that don't allow people to actually think for themselves are not for me.

I'm Wiccan myself, of the eclectic kind. I simply found it to be the faith that most appropriately matched my beliefs. The guidelines of doing as you will as long as you harm none along with the prospect of constant self-improvement, to name some examples, are right along my lines of thinking.

I've read a number of books, and taken to myself the parts that I like. The parts I feel uncomfortable with, I disregard. In this manner I discovered my own version that suits me perfectly. (Of course, it's an ongoing process.)

I will never understand collective religions such as Christianity or Islam, where people believe what is right or wrong according to what others tell them. Faiths that don't allow people to actually think for themselves are not for me.

so..... you like it because it has no concept of right and wrong, and being a wiccan lets you do anything you want as long as you dont harm someone. oh, and i guess its cool when you tell someone you're part of psuedo cult, joke "religion"

I'm Wiccan myself, of the eclectic kind. I simply found it to be the faith that most appropriately matched my beliefs. The guidelines of doing as you will as long as you harm none along with the prospect of constant self-improvement, to name some examples, are right along my lines of thinking.

I've read a number of books, and taken to myself the parts that I like. The parts I feel uncomfortable with, I disregard. In this manner I discovered my own version that suits me perfectly. (Of course, it's an ongoing process.)

I will never understand collective religions such as Christianity or Islam, where people believe what is right or wrong according to what others tell them. Faiths that don't allow people to actually think for themselves are not for me.

so..... you like it because it has no concept of right and wrong, and being a wiccan lets you do anything you want as long as you dont harm someone. oh, and i guess its cool when you tell someone you're part of psuedo cult, joke "religion"

"Pseudo cult, joke 'religion'"... Way to keep an open mind! I generally don't flaunt my faith or try to convert others, so that "cool" theory really doesn't apply.

The concept of right or wrong is there, it's just up to the individual to reflect over his or her actions, and see if the consequences will harm others directly or indirectly. Unlike some other religions, where people say that something is right or wrong because it is/isn't written in some ancient book.

What is a "religion"? Webster defines it as:

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. (a)A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

By those terms anyone can claim to practice thier own religion.. just make up a name for it. Unfortunantly, most "wiccans" I have encountered are using the term "wicca" as a catch all replacement for the word Agnostic(look it up). So, no two "wiccans" I have met have believed the same thing or practiced in the same way, even among supposed "coven" members. Therefore, I dont look at "wicca" as a religion; I look at it as a collection of people to ignorant to know they are agnostic, and too confused and unsure of themselves to clearly define thier OWN PERSONAL BELIEFS without layering some predefined notion of what they should believe on top of it.

Note, I point out "own personaly belief" for a reason(not as a yell). The reason I do this, is because I have found that if you seperate a person from the pre-processed materials from thier religion, have them sit down and write out what they personaly believe in, what actually "feels" right to them, that 95% of those people do not believe in everything thier pre-defined religion represents.

Take me for instance, I was raised as a certain STRICT Christian faith; one so strict that all other chritian faiths were considered "of the world" and should not be associated with unless it was in an attempt to convert them. I decided I didn't like that particular belief system(even though I taught me a great deal), so I searched, researched, and finally did exactly what I now tell everyone to do(set aside everything you have been told and read, and define what is right to you). After doing that, it seems that I'm actually a follower of Hinduism; which is funny considering I never read any Hindu literature, never talked to a Hindu(that I'm aware of), or made any attempt to learn about Hinduism. That is untill now of course, I have been doing extensive research on different religions and so far Hinduism is a 100% match of my own personal beliefs. If at any point those beliefs dont match, I stop learning about it and move on, I refuse to conform to someone else's idea of what I believe.

Kinda got off track there.. in a nut shell.. I think "wicca" as a whole doesn't even exist as a religion due to its lack of structure and uniform beliefs. During my research, I have found most "wiccans" easily fall into another religions belief system, but for some reason dont want to be associated with that religion, but would rather be associated with an ambiguous term like "wicca".

What is a "religion"? Webster defines it as:

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. (a)A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

By those terms anyone can claim to practice thier own religion.. just make up a name for it. Unfortunantly, most "wiccans" I have encountered are using the term "wicca" as a catch all replacement for the word Agnostic(look it up). So, no two "wiccans" I have met have believed the same thing or practiced in the same way, even among supposed "coven" members. Therefore, I dont look at "wicca" as a religion; I look at it as a collection of people to ignorant to know they are agnostic, and too confused and unsure of themselves to clearly define thier OWN PERSONAL BELIEFS without layering some predefined notion of what they should believe on top of it.

Note, I point out "own personaly belief" for a reason(not as a yell). The reason I do this, is because I have found that if you seperate a person from the pre-processed materials from thier religion, have them sit down and write out what they personaly believe in, what actually "feels" right to them, that 95% of those people do not believe in everything thier pre-defined religion represents.

Take me for instance, I was raised as a certain STRICT Christian faith; one so strict that all other chritian faiths were considered "of the world" and should not be associated with unless it was in an attempt to convert them. I decided I didn't like that particular belief system(even though I taught me a great deal), so I searched, researched, and finally did exactly what I now tell everyone to do(set aside everything you have been told and read, and define what is right to you). After doing that, it seems that I'm actually a follower of Hinduism; which is funny considering I never read any Hindu literature, never talked to a Hindu(that I'm aware of), or made any attempt to learn about Hinduism. That is untill now of course, I have been doing extensive research on different religions and so far Hinduism is a 100% match of my own personal beliefs. If at any point those beliefs dont match, I stop learning about it and move on, I refuse to conform to someone else's idea of what I believe.

Kinda got off track there.. in a nut shell.. I think "wicca" as a whole doesn't even exist as a religion due to its lack of structure and uniform beliefs. During my research, I have found most "wiccans" easily fall into another religions belief system, but for some reason dont want to be associated with that religion, but would rather be associated with an ambiguous term like "wicca".

Some valid points here. I do not like to call Wicca a religion either; I prefer the term "faith". While it does vary for most, there are some things that the majority has in common:

- The Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do as ye will."
- Reverence towards nature and celebration of equinoxes/solstices
- Belief in a duality in the divine, often as a god and goddess
- Belief in the divinity of the self (ultimately leads to the practice of magick)

The last point is important in this discussion; since the self is divine, you and only you can decide over your own spirituality.

Of course, there are a number of people that call themselves Wiccan just because they want to be cool, but then there are a number of people that call themselves Christian (for example) without doing a thing to support that claim.

:cry:

Many people say that Pagans or Paganisim is from the Wiccan Religion, well Jovia Maritima FYI they are not! They are part of The occult And so is wicca. Paganisim is from long ago before Christ was even born. They often would use their magic at the fertility ceremonies where two couples would mate and not even know each other. Pagans dance around fires singing stranges song calling upon their god or godess they often use human or animal sacrifices to aid them to call their god/ godess. Wiccans use spells or items for their sacrifices to call upon their god or godess. In my case I use nature like thing to call upon Morgan Le Fay, but just because we wear the pentagram doesnt mean we worship satan> :evil:

The word "occult" simply means "hidden".

As far as Morgan Le Fay, wasn't she a character in Le Mort Du Arthur?

And the pentegram means two different things, depending on whether it is point down or point up. Point down symbolizes the Goat of Mendes, and is the preferred symbol of satanism.

Yes Morgan Le Fay was a character in that . but my pentagram points up.

I think it's weird!

I think anything that has a little kernel of truth attracts a following. No religion has the entire truth, but all of them have enough of it to attract people to it.

I admit, most of the people I've met who claim to be wiccans have been bullshitters or new-agers, or teenagers who want to impress their friends and irritate the christian element out of sheer pouting angst.

I think I may have encountered the stray Wiccan here and there.

I remember being president of my student government 10 years ago (God that hurts to type!) and signing a lease agreement for the Pagan Student Union to have an office. I also remember hearing stories about one of the Christian groups going to College Activities to complain and having one of their senior people prevent the PSU from getting an office. That didn't happen when I was president!

Anyway, I don't know much about the religion, but as long as they don't hurt people, I think it's all good.

What is a "religion"? Webster defines it as:

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. (a)A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

By those terms anyone can claim to practice thier own religion.. just make up a name for it. Unfortunantly, most "wiccans" I have encountered are using the term "wicca" as a catch all replacement for the word Agnostic(look it up). So, no two "wiccans" I have met have believed the same thing or practiced in the same way, even among supposed "coven" members. Therefore, I dont look at "wicca" as a religion; I look at it as a collection of people to ignorant to know they are agnostic, and too confused and unsure of themselves to clearly define thier OWN PERSONAL BELIEFS without layering some predefined notion of what they should believe on top of it.

Note, I point out "own personaly belief" for a reason(not as a yell). The reason I do this, is because I have found that if you seperate a person from the pre-processed materials from thier religion, have them sit down and write out what they personaly believe in, what actually "feels" right to them, that 95% of those people do not believe in everything thier pre-defined religion represents.

Take me for instance, I was raised as a certain STRICT Christian faith; one so strict that all other chritian faiths were considered "of the world" and should not be associated with unless it was in an attempt to convert them. I decided I didn't like that particular belief system(even though I taught me a great deal), so I searched, researched, and finally did exactly what I now tell everyone to do(set aside everything you have been told and read, and define what is right to you). After doing that, it seems that I'm actually a follower of Hinduism; which is funny considering I never read any Hindu literature, never talked to a Hindu(that I'm aware of), or made any attempt to learn about Hinduism. That is untill now of course, I have been doing extensive research on different religions and so far Hinduism is a 100% match of my own personal beliefs. If at any point those beliefs dont match, I stop learning about it and move on, I refuse to conform to someone else's idea of what I believe.

Kinda got off track there.. in a nut shell.. I think "wicca" as a whole doesn't even exist as a religion due to its lack of structure and uniform beliefs. During my research, I have found most "wiccans" easily fall into another religions belief system, but for some reason dont want to be associated with that religion, but would rather be associated with an ambiguous term like "wicca".

Some valid points here. I do not like to call Wicca a religion either; I prefer the term "faith". While it does vary for most, there are some things that the majority has in common:

- The Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do as ye will."
- Reverence towards nature and celebration of equinoxes/solstices
- Belief in a duality in the divine, often as a god and goddess
- Belief in the divinity of the self (ultimately leads to the practice of magick)

The last point is important in this discussion; since the self is divine, you and only you can decide over your own spirituality.

Of course, there are a number of people that call themselves Wiccan just because they want to be cool, but then there are a number of people that call themselves Christian (for example) without doing a thing to support that claim.

following that feel good logic, if you eat people and have sex with animals and dead bodies but you dont hurt anyone doing that, is it okay?

What is a "religion"? Webster defines it as:

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. (a)A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

By those terms anyone can claim to practice thier own religion.. just make up a name for it. Unfortunantly, most "wiccans" I have encountered are using the term "wicca" as a catch all replacement for the word Agnostic(look it up). So, no two "wiccans" I have met have believed the same thing or practiced in the same way, even among supposed "coven" members. Therefore, I dont look at "wicca" as a religion; I look at it as a collection of people to ignorant to know they are agnostic, and too confused and unsure of themselves to clearly define thier OWN PERSONAL BELIEFS without layering some predefined notion of what they should believe on top of it.

Note, I point out "own personaly belief" for a reason(not as a yell). The reason I do this, is because I have found that if you seperate a person from the pre-processed materials from thier religion, have them sit down and write out what they personaly believe in, what actually "feels" right to them, that 95% of those people do not believe in everything thier pre-defined religion represents.

Take me for instance, I was raised as a certain STRICT Christian faith; one so strict that all other chritian faiths were considered "of the world" and should not be associated with unless it was in an attempt to convert them. I decided I didn't like that particular belief system(even though I taught me a great deal), so I searched, researched, and finally did exactly what I now tell everyone to do(set aside everything you have been told and read, and define what is right to you). After doing that, it seems that I'm actually a follower of Hinduism; which is funny considering I never read any Hindu literature, never talked to a Hindu(that I'm aware of), or made any attempt to learn about Hinduism. That is untill now of course, I have been doing extensive research on different religions and so far Hinduism is a 100% match of my own personal beliefs. If at any point those beliefs dont match, I stop learning about it and move on, I refuse to conform to someone else's idea of what I believe.

Kinda got off track there.. in a nut shell.. I think "wicca" as a whole doesn't even exist as a religion due to its lack of structure and uniform beliefs. During my research, I have found most "wiccans" easily fall into another religions belief system, but for some reason dont want to be associated with that religion, but would rather be associated with an ambiguous term like "wicca".

Some valid points here. I do not like to call Wicca a religion either; I prefer the term "faith". While it does vary for most, there are some things that the majority has in common:

- The Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do as ye will."
- Reverence towards nature and celebration of equinoxes/solstices
- Belief in a duality in the divine, often as a god and goddess
- Belief in the divinity of the self (ultimately leads to the practice of magick)

The last point is important in this discussion; since the self is divine, you and only you can decide over your own spirituality.

Of course, there are a number of people that call themselves Wiccan just because they want to be cool, but then there are a number of people that call themselves Christian (for example) without doing a thing to support that claim.

following that feel good logic, if you eat people and have sex with animals and dead bodies but you dont hurt anyone doing that, is it okay?

Weee... the ol' slippery slope argument again. Sex with animals usually causes the animals to suffer. That's bad. Necrophilia/cannibalism causes emotional harm to the loved ones of the deceased. That's bad. This is what I meant when I mentioned consequences. You have to think. I know thinking must be an unfamiliar feeling, but try it, you might like it! :wink:

The word "occult" simply means "hidden".

As far as Morgan Le Fay, wasn't she a character in ?

And the pentegram means two different things, depending on whether it is point down or point up. Point down symbolizes the Goat of Mendes, and is the preferred symbol of satanism.

wasn't morgan a corruption/manifestation of the celtic goddess morrigan?
the arthurian legend cycle far predates the chivalric romance of Le Mort Du Arthur; well with the possible exception of lancelot who may be a norman chivalric conceit.

On the definition of religion, it is derived from reli-gare (or something like that, if you want to split hairs) the re-unification of man with his spiritual self. I consider anything that seeks the abovementioned to be a religion, regardless of whether they have faith in anything or not.

she was the celtic godess

Personally I see religion as a fictional work, who's only purpose is to control the masses of society. I put my faith in science thankyouverymuch.

Then why is the bible a historical document?

Asatuers are sillier than them all, but Wicca is pretty silly.
Dancing about, and "casting spells".


Silly.

Actually, the way I understand this from my limited reading on Wicca, it's not all that silly at all. (Actual Wiccans correct me if I'm wrong!) The Wiccan belief in a deity is that the deity is actually a part of nature. Thus, when you "cast a spell" what you are actually doing is calling upon that force in nature to do something you want. This is no sillier than someone who prays to a deity for somethign they want or a Native American who dances to change the weather. You may see all of that as being silly, but there is no reason to say one is sillier than the others.

at least someone has the right idea :D