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This guy is getting what he deserves...

Anyone who supports the fascist Monarchy of Saudi Arabia deserves whatever the "freedom-fighters" give them!

-I'd rather not say anything to you-

Texastambul speaks truth to power--that scares the weak among us

Texastambul speaks truth to power--that scares the weak among us

-I'd rather not say anything to you-

Let me guess, your one of the "patriotic" Americans that supports Monarchy -- so long as someone else has to live under it...

If you think he deserves that, then why not you? Or me? Or your best friend? There is no way anyone deserves to by captured and tortured! :evil:

If you think he deserves that, then why not you? Or me? Or your best friend? There is no way anyone deserves to by captured and tortured! :evil:

-I'd rather not say anything to you-

Let me guess, your one of the "patriotic" Americans that supports Monarchy -- so long as someone else has to live under it...
Listen goddammit....I dislike monarchies as much as the next guy.

THIS is my friggin problem here

This guy is getting what he deserves...
What? Working on Apaches? He's getting what he deserves for making a living?

-I'd rather not say anything to you-

Let me guess, your one of the "patriotic" Americans that supports Monarchy -- so long as someone else has to live under it...
Listen goddammit....I dislike monarchies as much as the next guy.

THIS is my friggin problem here

This guy is getting what he deserves...
What? Working on Apaches? He's getting what he deserves for making a living?

He works for Lockheed-Martin in Saudi Arabia, and that makes him a supporter of his regime? Isn't that a little presumptuous? How can you decide who is "getting what they deserve"? Why does he deserve to die? The last time I heard, having a political opinion that varies from your own is not grounds for death, and it isn't mentioned anywhere in that article that he is a supporter of the monarchy, at least in no part that I noticed.

This guy is getting what he deserves...


What? Working on Apaches? He's getting what he deserves for making a living?

and what do you think Apaches are used for?


he isn't making a living -- he's making a killing

Hey I'm a patriotic American and I say we take out the royal family! They can't seem to defend us so why should we defend them!

Someone should shoot you terrorist supporters

This guy is getting what he deserves...


What? Working on Apaches? He's getting what he deserves for making a living?

and what do you think Apaches are used for?


he isn't making a living -- he's making a killing

Sounds like he is against the military in general! This Texastambul guy needs to get his head out of his but. I know of middle schoolers that are more mature than this guy.

He works for Lockheed-Martin in Saudi Arabia, and that makes him a supporter of his regime?

If he gave money to al-Qaeda would you say he supported al-Qaeda?
If he gave information to the Soviet Empire would you say he supported the Soviet Empire?

it isn't mentioned anywhere in that article that he is a supporter of the monarchy, at least in no part that I noticed.

I tell you that if a man builds weapons for the Royal Family in Saudia Arabia, then his actions prove he is supporting them!

This guy is getting what he deserves...


What? Working on Apaches? He's getting what he deserves for making a living?

and what do you think Apaches are used for?


he isn't making a living -- he's making a killing
and this guy is the difference between the life and death of an Iraqi...right.

Listen man. One day, you'll realize how people need WORK to pay off their bills. One day, you'll understand why this man does not deserve what he is getting. One day.

Sounds like he is against the military in general!

The US military is supposed to defend the people and the government of the US....

anything else is unconstitutional...

Sounds like he is against the military in general!

The US military is supposed to defend the people and the government of the US....

anything else is unconstitutional...

Your right! OUR military is to PROTECT US!!!! HE is an AMERICAN!!! Working for an AMERICAN COMPANY!! He works on APACHES, an AMERICAN CHOPPER. My dad has friends the fly them.

He is an american. You need to get the whole picture before you say someone gets what he deserves.

Theres a slight difference. He works for Lockheed Martin, who may be contractually obliged (it is a business, you know, not a political organisation) to provide the helicopters to Saudi Arabia. It's neither their or his business to care what government is in charge. Why should he be held accountable for matters outwith his control?

Hey I'm a patriotic American and I say we take out the royal family! They can't seem to defend us so why should we defend them!I agree with this

Someone should shoot you terrorist supporterstrue--we must overthrow the Saudi royal family--Bushs best friends

Sounds like he is against the military in general!

The US military is supposed to defend the people and the government of the US....

anything else is unconstitutional...

Your right! OUR military is to PROTECT US!!!! HE is an AMERICAN!!! Working for an AMERICAN COMPANY!! He works on APACHES, an AMERICAN CHOPPER. My dad has friends the fly them.

He is an american. You need to get the whole picture before you say someone gets what he deserves.Tex I understand the point your trying to make but this guy is just some poor working guy trying to make a buck in Bushs depressed economy--my sympathies are with him and his family. The real criminals of this unjust war in Iraq are Bush/Cheney and they are the ones who deserve to be tortured

Depressed economy?

The economy is on the rebound. Dont believe me? read the numbers.

oh and remind me to shoot my accounting teacher for showing me how much fun business can be!

All this talk about a depressed economy is a farce. Every one knows that the economy is on the rebound. We have what, over 1 MILLION JOBS created so far? That is economic rebound hun.

Depressed economy?

The economy is on the rebound. Dont believe me? read the numbers.

oh and remind me to shoot my accounting teacher for showing me how much fun business can be!

All this talk about a depressed economy is a farce. Every one knows that the economy is on the rebound. We have what, over 1 MILLION JOBS created so far? That is economic rebound hun.I dont think the low wage walmart jobs that Bush created is any sign of a rebound

READ THE Business pages sometimes sweetie. Companies, excluding Wal-Mart hun, are HIRING!

What I read in the business section stated that 30% of The companies will be hiring compared to 6% who will lay off people.

That is a fact love.

READ THE Business pages sometimes sweetie. Companies, excluding Wal-Mart hun, are HIRING!

What I read in the business section stated that 30% of The companies will be hiring compared to 6% who will lay off people.

That is a fact love.yeah but its still just a drop in the bucket compared to all the jobs Bush exported and prly the new jobs being created are the kinds where republicans insist that americans be paid low wages with no benefits

Hey I'm a patriotic American and I say we take out the royal family! They can't seem to defend us so why should we defend them!
The US Embassy had advised Americans to leave the Kingdom. Unfortunately this guy and thousands of others have chosen to stay.

While I don't entirely agree with Texastambul's opinion, the fact remains this guy had options. He chose wrongly.

How can you justify "taking out" the Royal family?

READ THE Business pages sometimes sweetie. Companies, excluding Wal-Mart hun, are HIRING!

What I read in the business section stated that 30% of The companies will be hiring compared to 6% who will lay off people.

That is a fact love.

Yeah, that's an excelent point. Read the business pages and pay attention to your own quote - "will be hiring". Much of it is still in the 'planning' and 'projected' stages. It means nothing until those plans and projections become real hires.

Depressed economy?

The economy is on the rebound. Dont believe me? read the numbers.

oh and remind me to shoot my accounting teacher for showing me how much fun business can be!

All this talk about a depressed economy is a farce. Every one knows that the economy is on the rebound. We have what, over 1 MILLION JOBS created so far? That is economic rebound hun.
I hate to shoot holes in your argument but the US unemployment rate remains stuck at 5.6%. The unemployment rate has been virtually unchanged since Dec. 2003. Don't believe me, look it up.

READ THE Business pages sometimes sweetie. Companies, excluding Wal-Mart hun, are HIRING!

What I read in the business section stated that 30% of The companies will be hiring compared to 6% who will lay off people.

That is a fact love.It's also a fact that Bush is still well over a million jobs in the hole for his presidency, and that the recent rebound has cost us nearly $1.4 trillion in additional debt. Long term sweetie--think long term.

Hey I'm a patriotic American and I say we take out the royal family! They can't seem to defend us so why should we defend them!
The US Embassy had advised Americans to leave the Kingdom. Unfortunately this guy and thousands of others have chosen to stay.

While I don't entirely agree with Texastambul's opinion, the fact remains this guy had options. He chose wrongly.

How can you justify "taking out" the Royal family?because the Saudi royal family are evil--and this guy didnt really have many options--he was just doing what he had to do to survive in Bushs war against the american workers

I hate hearing all this bullsh*t about Bush being a supporter of the house of Saud or being friends with Osama Bin Laden. It's all slanted versions of the truth, ie lies. I've got news for you: the US government, not one particular family, is a supporter of the Saudi government. That hs been true for over 50 YEARS. And, up until very recently, our relationship with them was extremely good. It's true that we once owned the company that drills for oil in Saudi Arabia, ARAMCO (I think that's its name, didn't bother looking it up right now), but we *gave it back them*!!! If the Saudi royal family hadn't made their idiotic alliance with the Wahhabis for political security, our relations with them would still be good, and there wouldn't be so many idiotic terrorists running around destroying their own country's economy.

As for the bin Laden connection to the Bush family: yes, its true, Bush met with the bin Laden family. But that has nothing to do with Osama bin Laden! He is no longer connected to his family in any way. He has been disowned, and his family no longer has any contact with him. The bin Laden's are legitimate businessmen who are Western in almost every sense of the word. They used to have a scholarship named for them at Harvard University, but they had to stop that after 9/11. Osama is ruining their lives, and Bush met with them because he wanted to help them.

I will say this: I am no fan of Bush, but I can't stand seeing so many ignorant comments about him by people who think they can get away with it simply because they hear it all the time at school. Bush is not a tyrant, he is not trying to take over the world, much less Iraq, and he has had more political experience than anyone in this forum. I do not believe that he has made a good President, but on paper, and without all of this ridiculous animosity towards him, he belongs in that office. I don't want to hear about the slim margin which got him that office, because frankly it is irrelevant to the current situation.

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This guy is getting what he deserves...

Anyone who supports the fascist Monarchy of Saudi Arabia deserves whatever the "freedom-fighters" give them!

I dont care if i get in trouble with the mods on this. You have crossed the line. I hope you get tortured by terrorists for thinking that it is OK for terrorists to torture an innocent officer. Freedom-Fighters? You bastard. ARe you calling the terrorists 'freedom fighter'? getting what he deserves? he is there with his apache trying to PROTECT those damned saudis fromt eh terrorists. and YOU say he deserves it?

Depressed economy?

The economy is on the rebound. Dont believe me? read the numbers.

oh and remind me to shoot my accounting teacher for showing me how much fun business can be!

All this talk about a depressed economy is a farce. Every one knows that the economy is on the rebound. We have what, over 1 MILLION JOBS created so far? That is economic rebound hun.I dont think the low wage walmart jobs that Bush created is any sign of a rebound

low rate wal-mart workers? do you even have a job? did you even leave high school yet? people take jobs, high paying or low paying, to feed their families. not everyone is a high payed doctor or lawyer. the point is that the economy is getting much better. the low paying jobs are at least good enough so that people may feed their families.

Depressed economy?

The economy is on the rebound. Dont believe me? read the numbers.

oh and remind me to shoot my accounting teacher for showing me how much fun business can be!

All this talk about a depressed economy is a farce. Every one knows that the economy is on the rebound. We have what, over 1 MILLION JOBS created so far? That is economic rebound hun.
I hate to shoot holes in your argument but the US unemployment rate remains stuck at 5.6%. The unemployment rate has been virtually unchanged since Dec. 2003. Don't believe me, look it up.

I am not in favor of Republicans or Bush in general, but there is a point that needs to be said. 4-6% unemployment is AVERAGE and GOOD for a nation. What most people dont understand is that in economics, 0% unemployment is a BAD thing. The American economy isnt designed to have 0% unemployment and it isnt a feasible goal.

THere are several reasons. For one, no competition for jobs. Companies are forced to hire workers that may not always be qualified. Two, there is no incentive for improvement. Three, there arent enough places that need extra workers, cutting corporate profits by filling in useless employees. Four, what is a worker's incentive to continue, well, working? If they wont be fired or know they WILL get rehired at another place for about the same wages, why do a good job? Take an economics class, see it yourself.

In short, dont expect any lower percentile unemployment rates. Not under ANY president.

READ THE Business pages sometimes sweetie. Companies, excluding Wal-Mart hun, are HIRING!

What I read in the business section stated that 30% of The companies will be hiring compared to 6% who will lay off people.

That is a fact love.yeah but its still just a drop in the bucket compared to all the jobs Bush exported and prly the new jobs being created are the kinds where republicans insist that americans be paid low wages with no benefits

Now that is another lie!

It is a FACT that outsourcing (shipping jobs overseas incase you don't know what that is) counted ONLY for 2% of all jobs lost. That is less than what the LIBERALS are saying.

It's also a fact that Bush is still well over a million jobs in the hole for his presidency, and that the recent rebound has cost us nearly $1.4 trillion in additional debt. Long term sweetie--think long term.

Negative! He is alot less than 1 million jobs. According to the Jobs market, they estimated that about 1.5 million have been lost! One million have been created SINCE THE YEAR BEGAN!!! Economists are now saying that Bush will have a NET GAIN OF JOBS by NOVEMBER hun.

As for the Unemployment staying at 5.6%! its a good thing for now. It'll go down again when the jobs really start to flow. You know what gave the people these jobs. THE TAX CUTS according to Wall Street and Greenspan(he is the Chairman of that Board you know)!

Depressed economy?

The economy is on the rebound. Dont believe me? read the numbers.

oh and remind me to shoot my accounting teacher for showing me how much fun business can be!

All this talk about a depressed economy is a farce. Every one knows that the economy is on the rebound. We have what, over 1 MILLION JOBS created so far? That is economic rebound hun.
I hate to shoot holes in your argument but the US unemployment rate remains stuck at 5.6%. The unemployment rate has been virtually unchanged since Dec. 2003. Don't believe me, look it up.

I am not in favor of Republicans or Bush in general, but there is a point that needs to be said. 4-6% unemployment is AVERAGE and GOOD for a nation. What most people dont understand is that in economics, 0% unemployment is a BAD thing. The American economy isnt designed to have 0% unemployment and it isnt a feasible goal.

THere are several reasons. For one, no competition for jobs. Companies are forced to hire workers that may not always be qualified. Two, there is no incentive for improvement. Three, there arent enough places that need extra workers, cutting corporate profits by filling in useless employees. Four, what is a worker's incentive to continue, well, working? If they wont be fired or know they WILL get rehired at another place for about the same wages, why do a good job? Take an economics class, see it yourself.

In short, dont expect any lower percentile unemployment rates. Not under ANY president.well the rates are much higher in reality because these figureds arent counting the people who fell off the radar screen totally and it doesnt count the underemployed

Depressed economy?

The economy is on the rebound. Dont believe me? read the numbers.

oh and remind me to shoot my accounting teacher for showing me how much fun business can be!

All this talk about a depressed economy is a farce. Every one knows that the economy is on the rebound. We have what, over 1 MILLION JOBS created so far? That is economic rebound hun.
I hate to shoot holes in your argument but the US unemployment rate remains stuck at 5.6%. The unemployment rate has been virtually unchanged since Dec. 2003. Don't believe me, look it up.

I am not in favor of Republicans or Bush in general, but there is a point that needs to be said. 4-6% unemployment is AVERAGE and GOOD for a nation. What most people dont understand is that in economics, 0% unemployment is a BAD thing. The American economy isnt designed to have 0% unemployment and it isnt a feasible goal.

THere are several reasons. For one, no competition for jobs. Companies are forced to hire workers that may not always be qualified. Two, there is no incentive for improvement. Three, there arent enough places that need extra workers, cutting corporate profits by filling in useless employees. Four, what is a worker's incentive to continue, well, working? If they wont be fired or know they WILL get rehired at another place for about the same wages, why do a good job? Take an economics class, see it yourself.

In short, dont expect any lower percentile unemployment rates. Not under ANY president.well the rates are much higher in reality because these figureds arent counting the people who fell off the radar screen totally and it doesnt count the underemployed

If that ius true, dont count it as a figure in your favor. Discredit it if it comes from your own side as well, which Canuck was supporting. Otherwise, you are going to be called upon it.

I do consider myself a liberal. However, I also believe some people DO have to take a small measure of responsibility to find jobs. Not that they are GOOD jobs (how well I know, working part-time before I attend college), but jobs nonetheless. The statements you made are accurate, however, economic fluctuations are CYCLICAL. A president has little if no impact on how the economy fluctuates. The dot-com bust of the 90's helped herald this in, as did 9/11. Not Bush. Much as I detest the man, I refuse to blame him for the economy. I blame that on world events and poor times. The only thing I can say helped affect the economy is the war on Iraq, which seemed to cause gas fluctuations as well as loss of world support. THAT I will hold him accountable on.

Try to keep things in perspective.

The numbers don't match up with that figure MKULTRA! The numbers are not there to support what you said. The Economists are disputing what you just said in fact.

Meh, screw the Saudis. While I dont want our psychopath president starting another war, I'd like to see Saudi Arabia free of its corrupt monarchy

Hey I'm a patriotic American and I say we take out the royal family! They can't seem to defend us so why should we defend them!
The US Embassy had advised Americans to leave the Kingdom. Unfortunately this guy and thousands of others have chosen to stay.

While I don't entirely agree with Texastambul's opinion, the fact remains this guy had options. He chose wrongly.


Not entirely. Jobs for foreign contractors there pay very well. Even if it's dangerous there, some of them may need the extra money. Also, the Embassy doesn't seem to realize that foreign nationals would be needed if oil is to still flow from there, and subsequently, if the world economy wants to survive. Those foreign nationals help keep world oil prices as low as they are, but the embassy is being a Chicken Little here. Better security by the Saudis should be provided, but the situation is not yet to the point where US nationals need to leave. That should only be reserved to, say, Iran launching a conventional attack at the kingdom. The current situation may grow worse, but right now, it shouldn't be enough to sacrifice the world economy.

Hey I'm a patriotic American and I say we take out the royal family! They can't seem to defend us so why should we defend them!
The US Embassy had advised Americans to leave the Kingdom. Unfortunately this guy and thousands of others have chosen to stay.

While I don't entirely agree with Texastambul's opinion, the fact remains this guy had options. He chose wrongly.


Not entirely. Jobs for foreign contractors there pay very well. Even if it's dangerous there, some of them may need the extra money. Also, the Embassy doesn't seem to realize that foreign nationals would be needed if oil is to still flow from there, and subsequently, if the world economy wants to survive. Those foreign nationals help keep world oil prices as low as they are, but the embassy is being a Chicken Little here. Better security by the Saudis should be provided, but the situation is not yet to the point where US nationals need to leave. That should only be reserved to, say, Iran launching a conventional attack at the kingdom. The current situation may grow worse, but right now, it shouldn't be enough to sacrifice the world economy.
It is a pretty sad statement that you make there. Since when is money the most important thing in this world? The world is full of greed and people are dying by the thousands because of it. Right now, Saudi Arabia is absolutely one of the unsafest places in the world to be if you are an American citizen, with Iraq being the most dangerous.

The US Embassy has issued the warnings and if people don't take heed, the inevitable will and has happened. The American dependence on Saudi oil exposes one of your countries greatest weaknesses. The sad part is the reluctance of the money men of your country to plunge head first into the vast sea of technological alternates that already exists to lessening this back breaking burden.

If the supply of oil gets terminated for any reason or for any length of time, the US economy will come crashing down. Then the world economy will crash with it.

Money is very important. But love for one's family and hope for a better future are more important ideals, and that is the reason why these people are still in Saudi Arabia. They have great hope and love for their families, and they know that there are very few opportunities in the world for them to provide a better future for their families. Working in a dangerous situation provides them with resources they would not otherwise have.

And, no offense, but it is easy for a Canadian to decry the US's reliance on oil. The Canadian economy is far smaller than that of the US, plus Canada is actually an *exporter* of oil. Oil has never been all that important to Canada because of this. As for the vast sea of alternatives: the expense of pursuing these options would be extremely high over the shortrun, and would likely cause an economic downturn that you have already noted could damage the world economy. I agree with you that it is eventually going to be the solution to the problem, but it is very difficult to convince businessmen to invest in something which will always be more expensive than oil and natural gas. Where is the economic incentive? When oil supplies run out (or at least run low enough to make it so expensive that alternatives become cost-effective), the world economy will be in for a wild ride, but frankly oil has been the most important source for worldwide economic growth for many years, and it actually makes sense to continue using oil for a few years longer.

Hey I'm a patriotic American and I say we take out the royal family! They can't seem to defend us so why should we defend them!
The US Embassy had advised Americans to leave the Kingdom. Unfortunately this guy and thousands of others have chosen to stay.

While I don't entirely agree with Texastambul's opinion, the fact remains this guy had options. He chose wrongly.


Not entirely. Jobs for foreign contractors there pay very well. Even if it's dangerous there, some of them may need the extra money. Also, the Embassy doesn't seem to realize that foreign nationals would be needed if oil is to still flow from there, and subsequently, if the world economy wants to survive. Those foreign nationals help keep world oil prices as low as they are, but the embassy is being a Chicken Little here. Better security by the Saudis should be provided, but the situation is not yet to the point where US nationals need to leave. That should only be reserved to, say, Iran launching a conventional attack at the kingdom. The current situation may grow worse, but right now, it shouldn't be enough to sacrifice the world economy.
It is a pretty sad statement that you make there. Since when is money the most important thing in this world? The world is full of greed and people are dying by the thousands because of it. Right now, Saudi Arabia is absolutely one of the unsafest places in the world to be if you are an American citizen, with Iraq being the most dangerous.

The US Embassy has issued the warnings and if people don't take heed, the inevitable will and has happened. The American dependence on Saudi oil exposes one of your countries greatest weaknesses. The sad part is the reluctance of the money men of your country to plunge head first into the vast sea of technological alternates that already exists to lessening this back breaking burden.

If the supply of oil gets terminated for any reason or for any length of time, the US economy will come crashing down. Then the world economy will crash with it.
I'm making a utilitarian statement. If the economy crashes, millions would suffer. Saudi Arabia must increase security, but at this point, there is no reason to panic. That's 50% of what's behind every terrorist attack, and if foreign nationals withdraw from Saudi Arabia, the terrorists would've won.
And I agree that dependence on Saudi Arabia is the US's greatest weakness. While we must plan long-term to reduce our dependence, that's no excuse for making the situation far worse. The West needs to do more to protect foreign nationals in Saudi Arabia in the near-term, while reducing our dependence from that area. However, I'm a firm believer in the free market. As oil prices rise, either a.) new sources will be discovered, and previously uneconomical sources will be exploited, and/or b.) alternative energy will hasten production. After all, according to National Geographic's July 2002 edition, more R&D has been invested into alternative energy resources than even in the seventies (inflation adjusted, of course). It's lead to some experts believing that half of the world's energy will come from these sources by 2050. However, don't expect similar results next year, and that is why foreigners must stay in Saudi Arabia.

Listen man. One day, you'll realize how people need WORK to pay off their bills. One day, you'll understand why this man does not deserve what he is getting. One day.

Does this need for money justify toxic-drug dealers and murderous thieves? If not, then why does it justify aiding them -- is a criminal's willing accomplice not also a criminal?

Listen man. One day, you'll realize how people need WORK to pay off their bills. One day, you'll understand why this man does not deserve what he is getting. One day.

Does this need for money justify toxic-drug dealers and murderous thieves? If not, then why does it justify aiding them -- is a criminal's willing accomplice not also a criminal?drug dealers are performing a valuable public service--they respond to peoples needs alot more effectively then the govt does

I dont care if i get in trouble with the mods on this. You have crossed the line. I hope you get tortured by terrorists for thinking that it is OK for terrorists to torture an innocent officer. Freedom-Fighters? You bastard. ARe you calling the terrorists 'freedom fighter'? getting what he deserves? he is there with his apache trying to PROTECT those damned saudis fromt eh terrorists. and YOU say he deserves it?

The Saudis are fighting the Royal Family.
The Royal Family is supported by US Marines in Saudi Arabia.
US citizens pay the taxes and elect the politicians that send US Marines to Saudi Arabia.

When a US Marine is justified in killing citizens of Saudi Arabia to protect the Royal Family, how are the actions of Saudi "Freedom Fighters" not also justified?

I dont care if i get in trouble with the mods on this. You have crossed the line. I hope you get tortured by terrorists for thinking that it is OK for terrorists to torture an innocent officer. Freedom-Fighters? You bastard. ARe you calling the terrorists 'freedom fighter'? getting what he deserves? he is there with his apache trying to PROTECT those damned saudis fromt eh terrorists. and YOU say he deserves it?

The Saudis are fighting the Royal Family.
The Royal Family is supported by US Marines in Saudi Arabia.
US citizens pay the taxes and elect the politicians that send US Marines to Saudi Arabia.
When US Marines kill citizens of Saudi Arabia to protect the Royal Family, they justify the actions of Saudi "Freedom Fighters" who kill US citizens.Strange how Bush doesnt want democracy in Saudi Arabia--or even America for that matter

Oh please!!! No-one deserves torture or death. Are these the same guys that cut the throats of "Hindu dogs" and beheaded a "Swedish infidel" during an attack on the Khobar towers??

I'm not in favor of monarchy either, but if the alternative is worse... :roll: