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If an intergalactic-scale battle would be faught between the (total) armies of Star Wars and the known star trek universe (without Q, for he is omniscient/omnipotenet).

Who would you believe to be the winner?

They both suck. :twisted:

The Poll should read:

If the armies of Star Trek (without Q) faught against the armies of Star Wars, who would win?

star trek people would win. they have better shields, better guns, warp engines, etc. i hate to say it, but star wars would lose...

i dunno star wars has all those hundreds of millions of droids n clones n stormtroopers and the force...

I'd say Star Wars since the star destroyers are calculated to have gigaton or teraton level weaponry, but species 8472 might even things out.

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It's rather a point of the type of conflict.

If it were Capital ship on Capital ship, Star Trek has maneuverablility on Star Wars, but a Galaxy class is smaller than an Imperial Star Destroyer, let alone a Super Star Destroyer.

If it were all ships considered, Star Wars hands down. Star Wars has one thing over Star Trek: Starfighters. Think about it, starfighters such as the X-Wing and Y-Wing can be equipped to hold proton torpedoes. The same weapon that the Star Trek capital ships use. They're highly maneuverable, even compared to ships like the Defiant.

Now if we tossed another scifi in there, the Babylon 5 fighters would own the Star Wars ones, if equipped with shields. Look at the Starfury's maneuverability. With the engine pods and thrusters designed the way they are, Newtonian physics makes it the most maneuverable thing I've ever seen.

i assume by star wars universe you include the Old Rebuplic as well, and in which case star trek would be owned

If you include everyone and everything in Star Wars, then yes, they would own Star Trek...

Star Wars; the massive fleets of Star Wars appear to be much more numerous/advanced than those of Star Trek, and there appear to be, possibly, trillions more people in the Star Wars galaxy than in Star Wars. Another thing is thee tactics used by the armies fought.

In Star Wars, a full combined arms tactic is used by ground forces. Walkers, blasters, turrets, bombers, artilery, it all seems to be in place in Star Wars, as are space craft. Space craft in SWs appear to be able to carry large ammounts of fights (carriers), which have been proven in naval combat even here on Earth in the modern age.

In Star Trek, it seems that the only combined arms are star fleets shooting ground forces in preparation for a small contigent of marines to attack the planet surface; not good if wether/star battle causes the fleet to be unable to provde support. Star fleets appear, at least in the Federation, to have corupted the leadership into funding them, and them alone. The communistic government of Star Fleet has suppresed many novel ideals in order to promote its concept of unity, etc. etc. Fighters, even in small numbers, have been shown to be effective on the TV show (I think) yet they are rarely shown, probably because a fighter pilot s seen as sort of a rougue.

A Star Trek ground force fighting against even a modern ground force will end with a Star Trek force completely slaughtered; the lack of artilery, armor, a full air force, etc. will cause an easy decimation of the Star Trek army. Even if the star fleet can provide support, it is likely that the unfairness of star fleet will warant a nuking of the army.

star trek people would win. they have better shields, better guns, warp engines, etc. i hate to say it, but star wars would lose...

No, on all accounts, star trek has inferiro engines, they can move across one quadrant of their galaxy (presumably the same size as the SW one) over the span of weeks, while the SW people can move all the way across their galaxy in a matter of days, the weaponry of SW is so much more powerful than ST that it would slice through their shields on the first shot, there are more people in the SW, better tech, oh and the Jedi, if you count the Valley of the Jedi ones, even match for Q. oh and the Ion cannon

Better yet 7 rounds hand to hand

Worf vs Chewie. and Han Solo vs J.T.Kirk

!!Main event!!

Darth Vader vs. Lore

OH MY GOD. This has to be the geekiest argument in the history of NS. :roll:

No, on all accounts, star trek has inferiro engines, they can move across one quadrant of their galaxy (presumably the same size as the SW one) over the span of weeks, while the SW people can move all the way across their galaxy in a matter of days, the weaponry of SW is so much more powerful than ST that it would slice through their shields on the first shot, there are more people in the SW, better tech, oh and the Jedi, if you count the Valley of the Jedi ones, even match for Q. oh and the Ion cannon

Actually, Star Wars ships can generally cross the galaxy in a week to a month, while Star Trek ships often take decades, like Voyager. I'd agree on the Valley of the Jedi. If a Jedi got that kind of power, they could probably take on the Culture.

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Just as the battle was about to start, the First One from Babylon 5 would arrive and stop this stupidity. :P

Just as the battle was about to start, the First One from Babylon 5 would arrive and stop this stupidity. :P

What happened to the poll? I was watching it... As far as naval battles go, you always think of Star Wars in heated dogfights and full scale assaults...rarely do you think of ST involved in a major war with vast amounts of fleets...

Oh and, Japaica: Glad you are amused. heh. :twisted:

If this would count as every race in Star Trek(*cought*Half of them peaceful*cought*) versus the Empire, The Old Republic, the New Republic and the Seperatists...
Star Trek would be crushed. Thousands of Star Destroyers, Mon Calamari Cruisers, Clones, Droids, Droidekas, Death star, Death star 2 and so on.

star trek people would win. they have better shields, better guns, warp engines, etc. i hate to say it, but star wars would lose...

As for you, Badzika, it doesn't matter if they have better weaponry, better shield or warp engines, because the millions of star fighters, thousands of star cruisers, two death stars and the Jedi/Sith working together would still crush Star Trek. There's maybe 100 star cruisers/star destroyers towards one Star Trek ship, so...

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Just as the battle was about to start, the First One from Babylon 5 would arrive and stop this stupidity. :P

Heck yeah. Even the ISA could do it.

Babylon 5? Now I never watched this show, so I might be wrong, but did they ever destroy a planet?

What happened to the poll? I was watching it... As far as naval battles go, you always think of Star Wars in heated dogfights and full scale assaults...rarely do you think of ST involved in a major war with vast amounts of fleets...

Oh and, Japaica: Glad you are amused. heh. :twisted:

Oh, this is very amusing. I don't know what the hell you people are talking about, but it's amusing nonetheless. And yes, I did just say nonetheless. :D

Some people have already tried to picture it:
http://www.spacebattles.com/

They even bring in Battlestar Galactica!!

star trek people would win. they have better shields, better guns, warp engines, etc. i hate to say it, but star wars would lose...

Remember, Star Trek is based on Earth, with the 24th Century being the most we got out of it......thats what, 400 years of space travel?

Look at Star Wars....How long did the Old Republic last? Certianly more than 400 years.......And then you factor in the Jedi.

Now, put Kirk or Picard or (Archer?) someone Star Treky in a SSD and they would own.......

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Oh the old republic lasted more than 4000 years

Just as the battle was about to start, the First One from Babylon 5 would arrive and stop this stupidity. :P

Heck yeah. Even the ISA could do it.

I didn't know this was even about Babylon 5...Hmmm...My "Hooked on Phonics" is a little rusty, but doesn't it say Star Trek vs. Star Wars??? Correct me if I'm wrong. :roll:

Ok we're talking the total Wars army Vs total Trek. Now I hate Star Trek and love Star Wars BUT we'll do this rationally, theres one thing thats been left out - the Borg.

Now the Star Wars armies are bigger and they have a higher teck base, eg Trek just has a few androids (exculding the Borg) even the sepertists have ARMIES of highly advanced droids, hyperspace travel is faster than Warp 9.9, the Delta Flyer and that Craft from DS9 would kick majour ass against TIEs but the Falcon, Slave 1 etc would blow them up.

SW has the advantage for ground troops.
SW has two Death Stars (Earth, Vulcan, Kilgon homeworld, Romulan Homeworld, Changers homeworld, Bajour, Borg Queens home woops looks like we've won)

But the Borg could adapt to a lot of SW tech and maybe even assimilate mediclories but no artifical jedi is as powerful as the real thing (Reborn anyone?) but between the death stars, the extreme force of numbers (clones/Storm troopers, droids, jedi) they would be overwelmed.

SW weapons and shields are more powerful.

ST might stand a chance due to cloaks but it won't save them for long.

But the thing we're all missing is SW is 'a long time ago' and ST is in the future so potentialy all the ST armies might include all the SW armies from the distant and undiscovered/forgoten past but thats a gimpish thing to say - "ST and SW can beat SW! YEY!" is stupid.

As for Bab 5 I'd say that they have a lower tech base than ST. The Andromida unviverse would kick ST if they had nova bombs but Bab 5 would kick them.

Now Ian Bank's The Culture would beat any sci-fi reality, even ST with Q.

Babylon 5? Now I never watched this show, so I might be wrong, but did they ever destroy a planet?

Sure did. The Vorlons and Shadows each had Planet Killers.

I didn't know this was even about Babylon 5...Hmmm...My "Hooked on Phonics" is a little rusty, but doesn't it say Star Trek vs. Star Wars??? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Grow up. :roll: The topic was brought up and addressed.

The Borg. Ugh. They got so owned by Voyager I've lost all respect or fear of them. They've been pathetisized.

Babylon 5? Now I never watched this show, so I might be wrong, but did they ever destroy a planet?

Sure did. The Vorlons and Shadows each had Planet Killers.

I didn't know this was even about Babylon 5...Hmmm...My "Hooked on Phonics" is a little rusty, but doesn't it say Star Trek vs. Star Wars??? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Grow up. :roll: The topic was brought up and addressed.

The Borg. Ugh. They got so owned by Voyager I've lost all respect or fear of them. They've been pathetisized.

Some people have already tried to picture it:
http://www.spacebattles.com/

They even bring in Battlestar Galactica!!

OMG BSG!

"Now the mighty robots of Battlestar Galactica vs those gay robots from star wars"

Some people have already tried to picture it:
http://www.spacebattles.com/

They even bring in Battlestar Galactica!!

OMG BSG!

"Now the mighty robots of Battlestar Galactica vs those gay robots from star wars"

Some people have already tried to picture it:
http://www.spacebattles.com/

They even bring in Battlestar Galactica!!

OMG BSG!

"Now the mighty robots of Battlestar Galactica vs those gay robots from star wars"

I like both, but I'd have to go with Star Wars. Star Trek don't have "the Force". Star Trek also doesn't seem to have very good ground fighting methods. All SW would have to do would be put down a few walkers and they'd fuck over Earth or any other Federation world.

And in the arguement of speed of travel, Star Wars ships hyperdrives jump to light speed. Star Trek ships go faster than that. Warp 1 is light speed. Warp 2 is (I think) twice as fast.

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I always thought the Borg Queen represented BDSM, since she clamps Data down in some device and even wears lipstick, which is odd if she wasn't supposed to have sexual connotations.

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I didn't know this was even about Babylon 5...Hmmm...My "Hooked on Phonics"

Oh god...

is a little rusty, but doesn't it say Star Trek vs. Star Wars??? Correct me if I'm wrong. :roll:

You are obviously unfamiliar with the concept of 'thread drift'.

I have to agree with Frenzberrie and Jitano, here. The history of Star Wars extends over a span of thousands of years, and thus have had much more time to develop their technology than the world of Star Trek.

That said, the United Federation of Planets* has considerable experience in temporal science and investigation. I would assume that that would provide a distinct edge, somewhere, sometime.

There's also the abandoned phase-cloak technology that was researched by rogue StarFleet officers in violation of the treaty between the Federation and the Romulans. Unless you can appropriately phase a weapon blast, or force the ship back into normal space, you can't hit it.

* Normally, I'd just say "The Federation", but then there'd be confusion with the Trade Federation in Star Wars.

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One question-What's up with turbo lasers? Where did they put the turbine?

Yeah, sad to say, Star War's would beat Star Trek...

Although, it seems like people are missing a crucial detail: Star Trek has superior non-offensive technology.
Have you ever seen transporter's in Star Wars? Or anti-matter torpedoes? Or Phaser's--(Can a lightsaber block a phaser?) Cloaking devices? Borg? (What if a jedi got it in the neck by a Borg? That'll tip the scales for the Star Trek right quick!!!)

With that said...it look's like the odds are a little more in favor of Star Trek!!!

Yeah, sad to say, Star War's would beat Star Trek...

Although, it seems like people are missing a crucial detail: Star Trek has superior non-offensive technology.
Have you ever seen transporter's in Star Wars? Or anti-matter torpedoes? Or Phaser's--(Can a lightsaber block a phaser?) Cloaking devices? Borg? (What if a jedi got it in the neck by a Borg? That'll tip the scales for the Star Trek right quick!!!)

With that said...it look's like the odds are a little more in favor of Star Trek!!!

what about han solo n the gang. they'd find a way to win whatever the situation. the odds were massively stacked against them and they manged to defeat the vast and evil empire!

Star wars would win, ever heard of something called a sun chrusher???? it targets suns and sets off a supernova by firing a missle into it, destroying an entire solar sytem

Yeah, but you are forgetting that in all entertainment, the underdog alway's comes out on top--the same could be said about Star Trek: They over came all odd's and defeated (or made peace) with A LOT of evil empires...


Speaking of which, does anyone think that the Evil Empire in Star War's resembles the Evil Empire of the 80's (USSR)?

Star wars would win, ever heard of something called a sun chrusher???? it targets suns and sets off a supernova by firing a missle into it, destroying an entire solar sytem

simply star wars because 1 they have both huge clone and droid armies and 2 star trec aint got anything on the jeti(they the shisnit)(i cant spell shisnit) :( plus the death star could destroy any of their bases and there ships are, well, to slow and don't have enough firepower

so yes star wars wins =) :twisted:

They simply have better weapons and more of them

Startrek for a number of reasons

1) Borg adapt, so can never be killed and can assimlate vast quanities of enemy troops.

2) Warp is considerably faster than hyperdrive

3) More, better trained troops. eg, Klingon armies.

4) Bigger, better armed ships, many with cloking devices.

5) The Q.

Photon torpedos (Star Trek) unleash its destructive power by an uncontrolled release of energy from an anti-deteurium / deteurium. Similar to what is found in matter / anti-matter reactors for Star Trek FTL travel. These things are massive and are about the size of an average coffin. (at least big enough to fit Spock in the Star Trek III) Akin to detonating a fraction of the power of a FTL reactor in Star Wars. This is nothing compared to newer 'Quantum' torpedos off the Enterprise E or the Defiant.

Proton torpedos (Star Wars) have warheads that have a 'proton scattering effect' disrupting conventional matter. They're about the size of a 84mm Carl Gustav round (they are man portable and can be fired from a shoulder launcher) Comparing apples and oranges here.

We've also heard something called 'ray shielding' from Episode III. (the thermal exhaust port) Therefore you need two kinds of shields. One for energy weapons and another for physical weapons. Star Trek shields will stop both. Star Trek shields (at least off the Enterprise E) can absorb antimatter, directed energy (phasers), photon torpedos (exploding projectiles the power of small FTL reactors) without breaking a sweat.

We're also assuming that the size of the galaxy is identical. It isn't. If Hans Solo is claiming that his 'Falcon is just a bit faster than light speed. ("point .5 past light speed" from Episode 3 as I recall)

Star Trek Warp factors are exponential. Warp 1 is light speed. Warp 2 is about 10 times c. (c being light speed) Warp 9 is 1516c. Warp 9.5 is 2548c.

Since the 'Falcon can dart around the Galaxy without much of a time delay, we can assume that light can cross the Galaxy in well under 1 light year! That makes for a VERY small galaxy.

Nonetheless, if we are going to compare waging war by the numbers, Star Trek ships can EASILY outrun anything in the combined Star Wars fleets. Star Trek ships also have greater sensors being able to identify key weaknesses in their opponents technology (weak armour / shielding around the impusle manifolds, or in SW case distinguishing between Ray shielding and projectile shielding etc.)

Transporters. Nothing in the Star Wars genre do we hear of that capability. The Death Star would not work well if the Borg transported certain key components (power regulators etc) right off the ship.

Nanotechnology. Ever since Wesley Crusher left them to infest the Enterprise D and recent real world advancements, Borg have them, Federation uses them for surgery, and have a demonstrated ability to screw up any computer or creature with a nervous system. Hell, since Voyager, Federation soldiers can use phasers to shoot people with them. No equivalent technology in Star Wars. Releasing them into the computer systems of a Death Star would be.... destructive.

Variable Matter Phase technology. Matter transformed so it can pass through conventional matter like walking through walls. Demonstrated off ST:TNG on the Enterpise D. Conventional SW 'Turbo Lasers' or 'Proton Torpedos' will not be able to defeat this technology. Any platform with this technology will be immune to attack.

ST ships can outrun and outgun SW ships. SW does have the advantage in holding planetary defenses and troops but how good is that if your enemy has the orbital advantage (read... orbital bombardment) and can beam your troops off the planet to have them rematerialize in low orbit. I hope those storm trooper suits have life support! :wink:

I think a better forum would be... which genre has the better intoxifiying agents. Star Wars or Star Trek.

Would Romulan Ale and Klingon Blood Wine served in Quarks Bar, DS9 from Star Trek would beat... say... something served in the cantina at Mos Eisley, Tantoine? :lol:

What do you drink to get intoxicated in the Star Wars Universe anyway?

Photon torpedos (Star Trek) unleash its destructive power by an uncontrolled release of energy from an anti-deteurium / deteurium. Similar to what is found in matter / anti-matter reactors for Star Trek FTL travel. These things are massive and are about the size of an average coffin. (at least big enough to fit Spock in the Star Trek III) Akin to detonating a fraction of the power of a FTL reactor in Star Wars. This is nothing compared to newer 'Quantum' torpedos off the Enterprise E or the Defiant.

Proton torpedos (Star Wars) have warheads that have a 'proton scattering effect' disrupting conventional matter. They're about the size of a 84mm Carl Gustav round (they are man portable and can be fired from a shoulder launcher) Comparing apples and oranges here.

We've also heard something called 'ray shielding' from Episode III. (the thermal exhaust port) Therefore you need two kinds of shields. One for energy weapons and another for physical weapons. Star Trek shields will stop both. Star Trek shields (at least off the Enterprise E) can absorb antimatter, directed energy (phasers), photon torpedos (exploding projectiles the power of small FTL reactors) without breaking a sweat.

We're also assuming that the size of the galaxy is identical. It isn't. If Hans Solo is claiming that his 'Falcon is just a bit faster than light speed. ("point .5 past light speed" from Episode 3 as I recall)

Star Trek Warp factors are exponential. Warp 1 is light speed. Warp 2 is about 10 times c. (c being light speed) Warp 9 is 1516c. Warp 9.5 is 2548c.

Since the 'Falcon can dart around the Galaxy without much of a time delay, we can assume that light can cross the Galaxy in well under 1 light year! That makes for a VERY small galaxy.

Nonetheless, if we are going to compare waging war by the numbers, Star Trek ships can EASILY outrun anything in the combined Star Wars fleets. Star Trek ships also have greater sensors being able to identify key weaknesses in their opponents technology (weak armour / shielding around the impusle manifolds, or in SW case distinguishing between Ray shielding and projectile shielding etc.)

Transporters. Nothing in the Star Wars genre do we hear of that capability. The Death Star would not work well if the Borg transported certain key components (power regulators etc) right off the ship.

Nanotechnology. Ever since Wesley Crusher left them to infest the Enterprise D and recent real world advancements, Borg have them, Federation uses them for surgery, and have a demonstrated ability to screw up any computer or creature with a nervous system. Hell, since Voyager, Federation soldiers can use phasers to shoot people with them. No equivalent technology in Star Wars. Releasing them into the computer systems of a Death Star would be.... destructive.

Variable Matter Phase technology. Matter transformed so it can pass through conventional matter like walking through walls. Demonstrated off ST:TNG on the Enterpise D. Conventional SW 'Turbo Lasers' or 'Proton Torpedos' will not be able to defeat this technology. Any platform with this technology will be immune to attack.

ST ships can outrun and outgun SW ships. SW does have the advantage in holding planetary defenses and troops but how good is that if your enemy has the orbital advantage (read... orbital bombardment) and can beam your troops off the planet to have them rematerialize in low orbit. I hope those storm trooper suits have life support!

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Actually, Stormtroopers do have life support. When you're watching the Falcon be tractored into the Death Star, you can see Stormtroopers standing next to the turbolaser batteries.

Also, you can't transport through shields so the parts of the SW ships are fine.

It's also been shown that Star Wars ships are more designed for orbital bombardment.

Hell look at the size.

Galaxy class: >500m
Imperial Star Destroyer: 1600m

The largest Federation ship is dwarfed by the most common SW ship. Not to mention that afforementioned ship is designed for warfare.

And who's to say that SW techies wouldn't steal tech from the ST universe and adapt it to their ships and vice versa?

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Your all over looking the ultimate power of the Q, he is practically a god, with power over space and time, with him, startrek couldn't lose.

OH MY GOD. This has to be the geekiest argument in the history of NS. :roll:

Nope. We had the same one a wee while ago...

Star Wars would win.

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Ah, but Norse Lands, if you read the first post, Q was tossed out of the equation. If Q were involved the SW forces would be turned into Denebian slime devils and squished. ^_^

People are saying Star Wars ships cross the galaxy faster than Star Trek ships, but they seem to be forgetting Warp 10. Okay, so there are bizarre problems with messed-up evolution it causes, but it does let you go anywhere, instantaneously.

I'd vote for Star Trek, just because the more evil species are the -I'm gonna find you and rip out your intestines- type, and evil in star wars is the -old fashion I'm gonna rule the universe- type. So star trek has my vote and they have the borg so common

Star wars would win, on star trek, anytime they're shot with anything, the ship starts falling apart and things explode and people are tossed around the bridge.

Well, the Krenim (In Voyager episode "Year of H***) developed a "temporal weapon ship" which has the ultimate ability to erase planets from space-time continuum. Meaning, once zapped by the temporal weapon, the planet (and everything that came from it in the timeline) would never have existed.

Also, since pretty much all of the "modern" engines used in the Star Wars series are limited to speeds near that of light or twice that of light, thus they lack a speed advantage. Star Trek vessels can travel at speeds way greater than one or two-times-light-speed. So, have the Krenim vessel infiltrate the Star Wars galaxy, and erase the Imperial homeworld (can't spell), and it will never exist. Ever.

Another advantage that Star Trek would have is that it can instaneously teleport (by means of "transporters) objects within at least 10,000 kilometers from it to another location in a similar distance. Why not? Fighting on planets will be made obsolete, because if magnetic shields are taken off line (by other weapons), a Star Trek vessel can remove enemy tanks and infantry by teleporting them into space.

Also, you can't stop the Borg. Once they adapt to the weapons of a vessel, the shields of the Borg become inpenetrible to those weapons. Once the shields of the Star Wars vessel are offline, the Borg could transport drones onto the vessel, and assimilate the crew. Then, the ship would become the Borg's.

And about size, a Borg cube has a side length of approximately 8 kilometers, way bigger than a Star Destroyer.

Resistance is Futile.

While these are, as always two very well matched opponents, I’d have to give the advantage to Star Trek. Why? You can’t hit what you can’t see!

Star Wars scanners have a downright lousy track record. Remember in Empire when the Falcon fooled a fleet of Star Destroyers by clamping on to the back of one? Why the hell couldn’t one of the other ships in the fleet see it? Don’t they have scanners to tell them when something’s attached to the hull? Don’t they have a record of where the Falcon was just before they lost it? Not to mention that most of their ships seem to be guided by eye; just about everything, it seems, has a cockpit and glass windows.

Meanwhile, consider Federation / Trek sensors. Not only do they have that amazing view screen that can see / magnify ANYTHING, they have even longer ranged passive sensors. Not satisfied by immense range? Check out tricorders - they can do anything! Remember in Search for Spock when Sulu read the CORE OF THE PLANET with a handheld tricorder? How about that one TNG episode where a tricorder was able to see where people had walked in the last ten hours just by scanning disparate heat traces? And they can even light fires! I’ve never seen anything in Wars that comes close to that amount of versatility. R2D2’s sensor suite - even though it came with an antenna, which tricorders don’t need - couldn’t even pick up a life sign in a snowstorm. Data in one episode of TNG scanned for life signs ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET with a tricorder.

And, of course, since Star Wars scanners have such a hard time picking up visible ships, how’d they fare against modern Romulan cloaking technology? All Trek would need to defeat a Star Wars armada would be one of those tricky Klingon Birds of Prey from The Undiscovered Country that can fire while cloaked.

Earlier, someone brought up star fighters as a definitive Star Wars edge. Maybe in the confines of the Wars universe, where capital ship weapons consist of huge, slow tracking turbolaser batteries (http://www.starwars.jp/technology/image/turbolaser.jpg). Star Trek phasers have repeatedly demonstrated the ability to hit targets - such as shield generators, communication equipment, and the like - much smaller than star fighters, or womp rats, for that matter.

Finally, I’ve never seen any Star Wars weapon that was able to achieve FTL speeds, much less maneuver at them, like that crazy Romulan plasma weapon did in Balance of Terror.

Star Trek, duh. They have the Borg, and Species 8472. They could kick Star Wars monkey ass like that!

I was reading the various responses. Just a few points of clarification. The Star Trek Universe uses the photon torpedo. The Star Wars universe uses the proton torpedo. Considering Star Trek first used the term in the mid 1960's, Lucas "coined" his term in the mid 1970's; it clearly shows Lucas had a lack of imagination when it came to weapons names. As far as a battle, consider this...Neither the United Federation of Planets nor The light side of the force would begin a battle. It would be more likely that the light side and the United Federation of Planets would be forced to form an alliance to battle the combined forces of the Emperor, the Romulan Star Empire, The Cardassian Empire, The Dominion, and possibly the Klingon Empire. The Collective would be too powerful a mind to control or reason with...Jedi mind trick is futile. I prefer to rule out species 8472 and anything else that happened on Voyager as just a bad dream. "Battles do not make one great, hmmm"

Only thing that would stop the Trekkies from becoming human/klingon/what have you mops (Think about it, it will come to you) would be the borg. Now assuming you take into account that one movie when the borg were all but wiped out (lots of people like to think the movies are kinda off on their own, not involving the universe in any direct way), Star Wars would kick there asses. Lets put it this way, the federation can beat anyone else in Star Trek, I mean the voyager took on small fleets on its own, and frankly, the federation is a bunch of wimps. Original series: throw one of those tentacle girls at kirk and blow them to h*** while he's trying to hybrid. NG: I'm sorry, their most dangerous crew members are Troy and Data, and frankly, yoda could take em both down on his own. DS9: Unleash a droid army, that should take care of it. Voyager: Hyperspace in, hit them once, hit them again right afterwards (Has anyone else noticed how that stupid thing seems to loose all shields in the first hit?) Oh, and while you're doing all that, deathstar goes to earth and finishes off Federation headquarters, half of the Star Trek universe would have lost its leadership. The star wars universe has enough rogue planets that taking out any one planet won't effect the way business is done much. (Read the novels, even after palpatine bites it, its still business as usual, though with more freedom now.)

Why do I only seem to post on dead threads?

species 8472 kicks all ass...so the jedi couldnt handle them...
I would rether see the borg v. the Empire(at its hight.)

What about number of people. Star Trek only discusses a few key species. The Star Wars series has hundreds of planets. Think of all the beings. Star Wars definatly outweighs star trek in sheer manpower.

Star Wars.

The United Federation of Planets is over a thousand worlds strong. The Star Wars universe is held together by an archaic religion and a gestpo- like army. With the force, Jedi can see into the future, past, present, etc. In Star Trek, we have the technology to travel beyond the barrier of time. Any member of the Trek universe(even Westley) could easily journey back to the beginning of the republic, the empire, or even the evolution of the midchlorians(please excuse spelling on such a trivial topic) and exterminate them prior to their posing any threat. Star Trek (Mirror Mirror) would conquer all.

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The United Federation of Planets has had, since the ST:tNG episode where they beamed Captain Montgomery Scott out of a transporter buffer he had sheletered himself in for 70-odd years, all of the technological potential to all but totally defeat aging and death. They have just not been focused enough to pull it all together.

1) Dr. Beverly Crusher has discovered the specific RNA tags used to encode a body with its physiological age, and together with either of Lt. Commander LaForge or Commander Data they have the capability to run any living body, assuming it's not too alien, through a transporter beam and reset its physiological age to whatever setting they want;

* a) by doing so they can reverse the progression of any hereditary disease that they cannot already cure; aside from those that have onset in childhood or before this can be used to keep a victim at a pre-onset age until a cure is found;

* b) they can already use the biofilters of the transporter beam to remove any harmful microbiotic infections or infestations;

* c) they can also keep anybody from aging beyond whatever physiological age the patient prefers.

2) Dr. Beverly Crusher has discovered the specific RNA sequences that provide the brains of animals with the function of memory, and can distinguish between long term and short term memory sequences;

* a) using configurations stored in the transporter's pattern buffer (see below) and the same transporter methods described above they can restore anyone's brain to the exact mental state that it was in at their most recent passage through the transporter beam, by reconfiguring the memory RNA and their neural dendrites to their exact configuration as stored in the buffer;

* b) although memory loss of subsequent events may inititally be a problem, potentially no amount of brain damage needs to be premenant; those who prefer their bodies at an advanced age will eventually be able to get back any memories lost to any neurological impairments that accompany physiological aging;

* c) even a brain that was devoid of all biological functioning could be reconstructed in the state that it was in when it last passed alive through the transporter beam.

3) Captain Montgomery Scott has been able to successfully keep living humanoids "alive" in a trasporter buffer for ~70 years in a state capable of being reconstituted whole and undamaged with a 50% success rate;

* a) the one known application of this technique took place with no prior mental or technical preparation on a crashed two-man freight craft in emergency conditions that included critically deminishing life support functions;

* b) with all of the backing of Star Fleet's Science and Technology Departments and with Dr. Crusher's knowledge of memory age coding RNA Captain Scott could revisit his technique with the benefits of state-of-the-art facilities, the best minds of Star Fleet including a fully functioning positronic brain, enhancement of whatever memory RNA strands remain in his brain from the previous attempt, and the ability to function at his brain and body's peek of physiological performance; this should logically lead to the perfection of the technique as well as, hopefully, a significant reduction in the pattern buffer size requirements;

* c) com badges could be programmed with micro medical tricorder devices hardwired and dedicated (redundant?) to constantly monitor the basic survival functions of the body as well as to detect major damage and life threatening situations; critically injured persons can be immediately beamed, not to a bed in a Sick Bay where their injuries will resume effecting them as soon as they materialize, but into a transorter buffer from which their condition can be studied prior to rematerialization;

* d) using the holodeck they could simulate perfectly the results of each and every strategy of medical response with mindless but otherwise physiologically identical holo-constructs while the actual patient waits safely as number strings and plasma in the transporter buffer;

* e) in cases where a medical solution is inpracticable or impossible the body, whether injured or altogether dead, can be rematerialized into the pattern of its last living passage through the transporter beam; in the early stages of development this might entail loss of all memories of what occured between the two passages through the transporter beam;

* f) once the biotechnological modifications needed to impose more recent memory RNA and dendrite structures on the pattern of a living brain from transporter buffer storage are perfected, a body, even desceaced, may be transported back into the pattern of its last living passage through the transporter beam and come out in a living form, with all memories intact, and without need of holodeck modling.

4) In cases where the original mass of the original body of a physically destroyed person cannot be beamed back through the transporter buffer, a devision of specially trained telepaths will work as katra-recovery personel. Once the person's katra has been recovered it is returned to where it is rejoined with a new and unharmed living body that is materialized from the pattern buffer.



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1) the Republic/Empire/Rebellion et al have this liquid stuff that they can hang you in that will help your body heal.

2) if you lose a part you can get a really K3w7 cybernetic replacement.



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Star Trek is the shiz, but it seems everyone in star wars has an unlimited manafacuring capacity and an unlimited amount of resources.

Well... they COULD do that... :D

Forgot some. Biogenic weapons in Star Trek.

The effect is similar to what you'd see in the climatic scene off Star Trek First Contact when the warp coolant was ejected into main engineering liquifying all biological materials. Star Trek technology allows the capability of biogenic weapons. Hell... even terrorists / freedom fighters could get their hands on it. (at least they tried on DS9 episodes) Drop this stuff on a planet (well... perhaps on major troop concentrations) and you won't NEED an orbital bombardment or even a planetary destructo device.

Subspace weapons first seen onscreen in Star Trek Insurrection. First seen used on film by the So'na. Potential to cut ships in half.

Genesis Device in Star Trek II and III. Kinda slow planet killer but still possible. All fired from a torpedo bank!

Trilithium??? The Changelings (aka. Founders) off DS9 attempted to destroy the Bajorian star system by detonating a charge of Trilithium in the primary star. Star Trek Generations, Soran actually demonstrated it in the film by blowing up a star.

Voyager? Eewww... Borg getting their ass kicked by Janeway? SW Hyperspace limited to under 2C? Lets not forget that we're arguing using the creative (or complete lack thereof) writing skills of writers in each respective universe. They both limited and even bastardized the operating physics and logic of their respective universes.

Either way.... can ANYONE tell me the name of a good drink I could get in a dusty cantina on Tantooine? I'd like to know. 8)

omg star wars pwns star trek hardcore. reasons are...

1) sun crusher
2) devastators
3) yuzzan vong(sp?)
4) jedi's

(i am such a nerd :P )

Forgot some. Biogenic weapons in Star Trek.

The effect is similar to what you'd see in the climatic scene off Star Trek First Contact when the warp coolant was ejected into main engineering liquifying all biological materials. Star Trek technology allows the capability of biogenic weapons. Hell... even terrorists / freedom fighters could get their hands on it. (at least they tried on DS9 episodes) Drop this stuff on a planet (well... perhaps on major troop concentrations) and you won't NEED an orbital bombardment or even a planetary destructo device.

Subspace weapons first seen onscreen in Star Trek Insurrection. First seen used on film by the So'na. Potential to cut ships in half.

Genesis Device in Star Trek II and III. Kinda slow planet killer but still possible. All fired from a torpedo bank!

Trilithium??? The Changelings (aka. Founders) off DS9 attempted to destroy the Bajorian star system by detonating a charge of Trilithium in the primary star. Star Trek Generations, Soran actually demonstrated it in the film by blowing up a star.

Voyager? Eewww... Borg getting their ass kicked by Janeway? SW Hyperspace limited to under 2C? Lets not forget that we're arguing using the creative (or complete lack thereof) writing skills of writers in each respective universe. They both limited and even bastardized the operating physics and logic of their respective universes.

Either way.... can ANYONE tell me the name of a good drink I could get in a dusty cantina on Tantooine? I'd like to know. 8)

to everybody arguing in the star trek favor..... star trek blatantly godmods :wink:

(i am such a nerd :P )

I second that. :lol:

I'm going to make my first post in like a month a bump on this thread because I want to eventually post my opinions on it when I get the time.

While these are, as always two very well matched opponents, I’d have to give the advantage to Star Trek. Why? You can’t hit what you can’t see!

Star Wars scanners have a downright lousy track record. Remember in Empire when the Falcon fooled a fleet of Star Destroyers by clamping on to the back of one? Why the hell couldn’t one of the other ships in the fleet see it? Don’t they have scanners to tell them when something’s attached to the hull?

Why would you ever concievably need to scan for irregularities in your own ship's hull? Can ships in a modern battlegroup examine each other for magnetic mines?

Meanwhile, consider Federation / Trek sensors. Not only do they have that amazing view screen that can see / magnify ANYTHING, they have even longer ranged passive sensors. Not satisfied by immense range? Check out tricorders - they can do anything! Remember in Search for Spock when Sulu read the CORE OF THE PLANET with a handheld tricorder? How about that one TNG episode where a tricorder was able to see where people had walked in the last ten hours just by scanning disparate heat traces? And they can even light fires! I’ve never seen anything in Wars that comes close to that amount of versatility. R2D2’s sensor suite - even though it came with an antenna, which tricorders don’t need - couldn’t even pick up a life sign in a snowstorm. Data in one episode of TNG scanned for life signs ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET with a tricorder.

Unless you're sitting above the north pole of a planet, in which case Trek sensors are useless. Or there's any of a thousand wankite ores in the rocks.

And, of course, since Star Wars scanners have such a hard time picking up visible ships, how’d they fare against modern Romulan cloaking technology? All Trek would need to defeat a Star Wars armada would be one of those tricky Klingon Birds of Prey from The Undiscovered Country that can fire while cloaked.

Star Wars has anti-cloaking sensors. There is no reason to suggest that these wouldn't function on Trek ships.

Earlier, someone brought up star fighters as a definitive Star Wars edge. Maybe in the confines of the Wars universe, where capital ship weapons consist of huge, slow tracking turbolaser batteries (http://www.starwars.jp/technology/image/turbolaser.jpg). Star Trek phasers have repeatedly demonstrated the ability to hit targets - such as shield generators, communication equipment, and the like - much smaller than star fighters, or womp rats, for that matter.

And to repeatedly miss enormous capital ships. And didn't you notice the gigantic turrets of the Executor could track fast enough to destroy two of the three A-Wings that made a run at her bridge, firing at a horrible angle to do so?

Also, if you actually read the tech readouts for the Star Wars, you'll find that most capital ships have anti-starfighter turrets, you just don't get that from the movies.

As I recall, there was an episode of DS9 where a Galaxy class got reamed by three Dominion Fighters. I'd say that the starfighters are most definately an edge, if only for swarm effect.

Also, if you actually read the tech readouts for the Star Wars, you'll find that most capital ships have anti-starfighter turrets, you just don't get that from the movies.

As I recall, there was an episode of DS9 where a Galaxy class got reamed by three Dominion Fighters. I'd say that the starfighters are most definately an edge, if only for swarm effect.

Also, if you actually read the tech readouts for the Star Wars, you'll find that most capital ships have anti-starfighter turrets, you just don't get that from the movies.

As I recall, there was an episode of DS9 where a Galaxy class got reamed by three Dominion Fighters. I'd say that the starfighters are most definately an edge, if only for swarm effect.

Yippe. Triple post. :roll:

Let's throw Gundam into the mix!!!

No matter how powerful the Gundams are they are outnumbered, but the Phase Shift Armor (Gundam SEED) might protect them from laser fire. Plus, if you get a batallion of Launcher Strike Gundams, that huge cannon they carry could easily pierce through a Star Destroyer.

Now let's not forget how Blitz Gundam can become invisible and how surprise is a great element of attack

Let's throw Gundam into the mix!!!

No matter how powerful the Gundams are they are outnumbered, but the Phase Shift Armor (Gundam SEED) might protect them from laser fire. Plus, if you get a batallion of Launcher Strike Gundams, that huge cannon they carry could easily pierce through a Star Destroyer.

Now let's not forget how Blitz Gundam can become invisible and how surprise is a great element of attack

Star Trek would win if only because they are so spontaneous. Besides which if it was all the creatures that live within that universe than that would include many belligerent species as well as the peaceful ones and the ones who have been forced to become warriors. And if all of them are subject to that wild card ability than they would win because they would contantly change in tech level, battle plan, location, etc.

Star Wars is known for the Jedi and having lots of technology, however Luke and his raggily group managed to beat the Empire. That doesn't say much for the technology. Besides which the Jedi are rather slow on the uptake as shown by Episode One. So they really aren't that much of a match for something like Q.

Always there is two other variables it seems the people of StarTrek are subject to learning they have strange abilities they hadn't known about. Or that they are more than they seem. Like Wesley or Kes or Sisko. And as shown by the Voyager series there are holes in the fabric which allow other species to emerge into the StarTrek universe. One in particular seems similar to a species from Babylon 5.

Thus concludes my report on why StarTrek is coo- er more likely to beat the crap out of StarWars.

Well since some1 threw Babylon into this debate will somebody please respond to my Gundam thing?

And if all of them are subject to that wild card ability than they would win because they would contantly change in tech level, battle plan, location, etc.

What? How can you possibly 'constantly change in tech level?' Nobody in Trek has any land combined arms capability at all. Romulus' idea of a planetary invasion force is 2,000 soldiers. The Jem'Hadar at AR558 were conducting a siege with assault rifles and no armour or artillery. Trek tactics are rubbish.

Star Wars is known for the Jedi and having lots of technology, however Luke and his raggily group managed to beat the Empire. That doesn't say much for the technology. Besides which the Jedi are rather slow on the uptake as shown by Episode One. So they really aren't that much of a match for something like Q.

The first post says that Q isn't involved in this debate. Q was also really there for the Alpha Quadrant during the Dominion War and did a lot to stop the Borg during First Contact, didn't he? Who's to say he would even take the Star Trek side?

Always there is two other variables it seems the people of StarTrek are subject to learning they have strange abilities they hadn't known about.

Like The Force?

Thus concludes my report on why StarTrek is coo- er more likely to beat the crap out of StarWars.

Sure, because 'spontaneous'ness is really going to beat 10-1 numerical superiority, enormous speed and technical advantages and the ruthlessness of an enemy who blows up planets for fun, isn't it?

1) Geeks ! :wink:

2) Star Trek, hands down. If only cause I love the Voyager series when it was shown on Australian T.V. Like, years ago I think. Sigh ...

And I was actually awake to see it. Back when I had normal sleep patterns ... sigh ... :roll:

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