NationStates Jolt Archive

Euro Election Roundup

Region / Total No. of votes
South West / 43653
South East / 64877
London / 76152
Eastern / 65557
East Midlands / 91860
West Midlands / 107794
Wales / 27135
North West / 134958
Yorks & Humber / 126538
North East / 50249
Scotland / 19,427

The total number of votes cast for the BNP is a staggering record of 808,200, doubling our expectations of about 400,000!

808,200 reasons to be cheerful!

Here are some reasons for BNP members, supporters and the plain curious to ponder about our fantastic performance at the polls.

Budget
808,200 votes in the European Parliamentary Election on a budget of £250,000, compared to UKIPs 2,650,768 on £2,000,000.
If the BNP had UKIP's budget, that would be equivalent to 6,465,600 votes!

Media
808,200 votes despite the BNP being totally ignored by the media. Compare this to UKIP's publicity which was unprecedented and virtually entirely positive. Yet still we passed over the 800,000 mark.

The only publicity which the BNP received was negative publicity, compared to virtually no negative publicity for UKIP whatsoever. And still the BNP took the highest ever nationalist vote in Britain.

Opposition
The BNP was up against all the larger parties, who united as one against it and proved that when it comes down to it, they are all cut from the same anti-patriotic cloth.

The BNP was up against extreme left-wing violence and intimidation.

The BNP was up against a multi-million pound campaign run by left wing trade unions taking out newspaper advertisements condemning the party as "Nazis", as well as printing millions of anti-BNP leaflets full of lies.

Hurdles
808,200 votes despite the BNP Electoral Address not being delivered by some anti-democratic people in the Royal Mail.

808,200 despite the fact that the BNP was up against postal voting fraud, and the ethnic block votes which go to the larger parties.

UKIP's vote was delivered largely by the media, not by the activists on the ground. In huge areas of Britain, including especially the North West and North East of England, Yorkshire and the Humber, Scotland, and Wales it has virtually no activists on the ground at all. This is further evidenced by UKIP standing only 148 candidates in the English Local Elections, compared to the BNP's 313.

The UKIP trick
It was the media which delivered UKIP's vote in order to spite the BNP. Four weeks ago, UKIP was not even known about by a majority of people in Britain. However, an unprecedented media campaign brought it to the awareness of millions of people. This was deliberately to ensure it beat the BNP in all our key regions.

Building blocks
While some activists and supporters will be understandably disappointed at the lack of the Party winning the coveted prizes of MEPs and all the expenses and influence that such posts accompany, we can all be very pleased with the strong foundations of over 800,000 core voters the length and breadth of Britain. On these foundations we can build a truly power-winning machine for the long suffering hard working folk of these islands.

http://www.bnp.org.uk

Full results and percentages can be seen on the BBC site:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/vote2004/euro_uk/html/front.stm

Local elections: High and low points

Despite a significant increase in the percentage of our overall vote, we have lost a few councillors, but gained more than we have lost.

Highlights are:

4 councillors on Bradford City Council, our first representation.

Keighley West - 14.5% Angela Clarke
Wibsey - 13% Arthur Redfearn
Worth Valley - 11.8% Christopher Kirby
Wyke - 14.1% James Lewthwaite

3 councillors on Epping Forest District Council, our first representation.

Loughton Alderton - 27.9% Terence Farr
Loughton Broadway - 33.6% Thomas Richardson
Loughton Fairmead - 26.6% Patricia Richardson

Burnley

Every single one of our candidates came second or better.

Briercliffe - 27.8% David Thomson
Brunshaw - 22.1% - Michael Pound
Cliviger with Worsthorne - 25.2% David Shapcott
Coalclough with Deerplay - 20.5 % Mark Pennington
Gannow 29.1% - John Cave
Hapton with Park 29.6% - Sharon Wilkinson (Elected)
Rosegrove 36.6% - Derek Dawson
Rosehill 20.5% - Gregory Marshall

We averaged 26.4% of the vote in Burnley.

Stoke

Tremendous share of the vote here. Even where our candidates came 3rd we polled over 24% of the vote.

Abbey Green 24.8%, John West
Blurton 26.0% - Steven Hallam
East Valley 25.3% - Allan Eaton
Fenton 25.8% - Mark Platt
Longton North 35.1% - Mark Leat
Meir Park 24.4%- Michael Coleman
Norton and Bradeley 32.8% - Barry Cuthbertson
Weston 29.9% - Ian Clegg

Lowpoints:

Hard working councillors loses seats
Simon Darby, Castle and Priory in Dudley,
John Salvage, Princes End in Sandwell (but replaced by James Lloyd who was elected)
Barry Cuthbertson, Norton and Bradeley, in Stoke
Nicholas Geri, Grays Riverside in Thurrock

You're aware that that's like, 1% of the population in the UK?

Not really all that impressive if you ask me.

Cut the crap Malky. The BNP were predicting Euro MP seats and many more councillers after these elections. You failed. You're a busted flush. The IWCA however got two more seats in Oxford, which isn't bad considering how new a party we are, particuarly as we took the Mayor's seat 8) . (www.iwca.info for more details).

Cut the crap Malky. The BNP were predicting Euro MP seats and many more councillers after these elections. You failed. You're a busted flush. The IWCA however got two more seats in Oxford, which isn't bad considering how new a party we are, particuarly as we took the Mayor's seat 8) . (www.iwca.info for more details).

We had been predicting Euro seats, but quite a while before the UKIP seriously came into it. They are basically the "government approved" dissenter's party and exist to sap the BNP's vote. It's a shame that this worthless party ate into our vote to a large extent, but it was no real suprise.

Cut the crap Malky. The BNP were predicting Euro MP seats and many more councillers after these elections. You failed. You're a busted flush. The IWCA however got two more seats in Oxford, which isn't bad considering how new a party we are, particuarly as we took the Mayor's seat 8) . (www.iwca.info for more details).

We had been predicting Euro seats, but quite a while before the UKIP seriously came into it. They are basically the "government approved" dissenter's party and exist to sap the BNP's vote. It's a shame that this worthless party ate into our vote to a large extent, but it was no real suprise.

Get over it, the BNP sucks.

No one with any semblance of intelligence would vote for that pseudo-party.

Not really all that impressive if you ask me.

Tell that to the 800,000 people who voted for us, mate. :)

Get over it, the BNP sucks.

No one with any semblance of intelligence would vote for that pseudo-party.

808,200 people? :roll:

:D

Get over it, the BNP sucks.

No one with any semblance of intelligence would vote for that pseudo-party.

808,200 people? :roll:

:D

I have no problem believing 1% of the population of the UK are dumb as rocks.

You're aware that that's like, 1% of the population in the UK?

Not really all that impressive if you ask me.I was wondering about what percentage of the UK that was. Glad to see the BNP is as marginal as I imagined it was.

We had been predicting Euro seats, but quite a while before the UKIP seriously came into it. They are basically the "government approved" dissenter's party and exist to sap the BNP's vote. It's a shame that this worthless party ate into our vote to a large extent, but it was no real suprise.And you lost councillers due to your largely useless record in office no? Have you thought about applying for a job as a BNP spin doctor. Your attempts to put a brave face on what is blatantly a major failure for the BNP are highly amusing.

I have no problem believing 1% of the population of the UK are dumb as rocks.I have no problem believing in a significantly larger percentage than that--hell, there's a far larger percentage of people dumb as rocks right here on Nationstates. :lol:

That Scares me somewhat- i would never vote for them, even if they were the last party on the planet

Hard working councillors...

Wait a sec.
Are these the same 'hard working councillors' who have the appalling record for attending council sessions?
Or are we talking about a different BNP?

Great...802,000 racists :roll:

...despite the BNP being totally ignored by the media...

Perhaps if you didn't make racist and inflammatory material, the media might have been more willing to broadcast it. I recall Channel Five refusing to show the BNP Election Broadcast because it featured a woman claiming a gang of asian youths had raped her daughter. The BNP deserve nothing more than contempt. They are the shame of our country.

To get this into perspective.

Before the election the BNP said the following (all quotes from the BNP website).

Electoral Slogan: "Elections 2004 - the year we'll break through. "

BNP Aims: "We must, in short, make the jump from protest party to revolutionary movement"

BNP predictions: "the British National Party is on target to take between 14 – 16% of the Euro vote in our key regions, winning a record number of council seats, positions on the Greater London Assembly, and breaking through with three or four MEPs."

Actual Results:

Euro MEPs:0
Positions on the Greater London Assembly: 0
Council seats gained overall: 1

Overall result: Absolute failure for the BNP. How much money did you waste on your campaign? :P

Great...802,000 racists :roll:

...despite the BNP being totally ignored by the media...

Perhaps if you didn't make racist and inflammatory material, the media might have been more willing to broadcast it. I recall Channel Five refusing to show the BNP Election Broadcast because it featured a woman claiming a gang of asian youths had raped her daughter. The BNP deserve nothing more than contempt. They are the shame of our country.Its when you get censored by Channel Five that you really know what you're saying is innapropriate :lol:

Scary that there are 800,200 people that votes for them. Thats like 1/7 of the population of my country. Freaky stuff

Why hasn't Malky been raging about us being a bunch of brainwashed liberals?

Must be a new breed of nazi.

Great...802,000 racists :roll:

...despite the BNP being totally ignored by the media...

Perhaps if you didn't make racist and inflammatory material, the media might have been more willing to broadcast it. I recall Channel Five refusing to show the BNP Election Broadcast because it featured a woman claiming a gang of asian youths had raped her daughter. The BNP deserve nothing more than contempt. They are the shame of our country.Its when you get censored by Channel Five that you really know what you're saying is innapropriate :lol:
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Yes, that really does sum the 'party' up.
And Malky, I don't know if you're that mongoose idiot in disguise but you're really whistling in the wind. The turn-out for the elections was low and your BliNP fanatics was one of the groups along with UKIP that went all out for votes. Extrapolate the results onto a general election and not only would your voters look puny, you are also well aware that many of them won't waste their vote on a protest. They'll vote Labour or Conservative. I personally wish your type would just go away and leave us Brits to vote for decent parties, but I know that ain't gonna happen. What I do know is that all the blustering and lying in the world is never going to get your lot anywhere. You're a squalid fringe group, feeding on the fear and hatred felt by a tiny fraction of the population.

And for anyone with two minutes to spare and a genuine interest in what the BliNP is, this is well worth a read.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/otherparties/story/0,9061,940027,00.html

The BNP will get stronger as time passes and the British government of whatever political hue does little to control the endless tide of immigration. The enlargement of the EU will only accelerate the process.

From virtually nowhere 4 years ago they are starting to make real progress, and considering the hostility from the media, and their tiny election funds compared to the other parties, achieving 800,000+ votes is a real achievement. Unfortunately, the UKIP took votes from the BNP - without them, the BNP would have had representatives in the EU parliament, without a doubt, but the UKIP won't be around for long.

I wish the BNP good luck for the future, may it have much more success. I voted for them, am proud to have done so, and will do it again.

Unfortunately, the UKIP took votes from the BNP - without them, the BNP would have had representatives in the EU parliament, without a doubt, but the UKIP won't be around for long.

I wish the BNP good luck for the future, may it have much more success. I voted for them, am proud to have done so, and will do it again.
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You don't understand British politics do you. UKIP was all about taking GB out of the EU, the BliNP was all about stirring up racial hatred within the British isles. Neither 'side' would have voted for the other. Thank you for staing your support for the gangster party, I will now know what you are,a racist. And if you're proud that you voted for them it tells me a lot more about you too.



Sunday April 21, 2002
The Observer

Like all neo-Nazi parties, the British National Party is a criminal conspiracy, and not only because it dreams of the great crime of ethnically cleansing Britain when its glorious leader takes power. BNP organisers and candidates are often criminals themselves: rapists, bombers, drug dealers, bone-breakers and head-bangers. Fortunately, there aren't too many of them. The space editors give to media-literate fascists in collars and ties disguises the British National Party's failure to be a national party in Britain

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,687941,00.html.

Same old "if you are not left-wing you are a racist, nazi..blah blah"

*yawn*

People can vote for whomever they like. It is a democracy. If the policies the BNP or any other party are so ridiculous then what do you have to fear from them?

You're aware that that's like, 1% of the population in the UK?

Not really all that impressive if you ask me.

but about 5% of the vote. not as impressive as many european nationalist parties, but the bnp has faced more state repression and media frenzy than most. still a worthy showing and a gain of almost 5 fold from 99, hail to you my british brethren.

Same old "if you are not left-wing you are a racist, nazi..blah blah"

*yawn*

People can vote for whomever they like. It is a democracy. If the policies the BNP or any other party are so ridiculous then what do you have to fear from them?

It goes both ways.

You're aware that that's like, 1% of the population in the UK?

Not really all that impressive if you ask me.

but about 5% of the vote. not as impressive as many european nationalist parties, but the bnp has faced more state repression and media frenzy than most. still a worthy showing and a gain of almost 5 fold from 99, hail to you my british brethren.

Your not for real are you?

You're aware that that's like, 1% of the population in the UK?

Not really all that impressive if you ask me.

but about 5% of the vote. not as impressive as many european nationalist parties, but the bnp has faced more state repression and media frenzy than most. still a worthy showing and a gain of almost 5 fold from 99, hail to you my british brethren.

I don't think the media exposing a group of crackpots as what they really are should be considered a "frenzy".

5% is still pretty pathetic.

You're aware that that's like, 1% of the population in the UK?

Not really all that impressive if you ask me.

but about 5% of the vote. not as impressive as many european nationalist parties, but the bnp has faced more state repression and media frenzy than most. still a worthy showing and a gain of almost 5 fold from 99, hail to you my british brethren.

I don't think the media exposing a group of crackpots as what they really are should be considered a "frenzy".

5% is still pretty pathetic.

well its about as well as mr. unsafe at any speed did in the US.

*runs naked through thread*

*chases BV*
gimme back my pants!

Same old "if you are not left-wing you are a racist, nazi..blah blah"

*yawn*

People can vote for whomever they like. It is a democracy. If the policies the BNP or any other party are so ridiculous then what do you have to fear from them?

It goes both ways.

Name me a left-wing party that is ridiculed in the press, whose party members are threatened with violence. Democracy should be untainted, therefore people should be free support who they choose to support.

*runs naked through thread*

if someone doesn't watch it, they just might get snapped in the tush with a towel. :roll:

Same old "if you are not left-wing you are a racist, nazi..blah blah"

*yawn*

People can vote for whomever they like. It is a democracy. If the policies the BNP or any other party are so ridiculous then what do you have to fear from them?

It goes both ways.

Name me a left-wing party that is ridiculed in the press, whose party members are threatened with violence. Democracy should be untainted, therefore people should be free support who they choose to support.

who can't even hold a rally without violent counterdemonstrations, which the media strongly imply are the bnp's fault.

Same old "if you are not left-wing you are a racist, nazi..blah blah"

*yawn*

People can vote for whomever they like. It is a democracy. If the policies the BNP or any other party are so ridiculous then what do you have to fear from them?

It goes both ways.

Name me a left-wing party that is ridiculed in the press, whose party members are threatened with violence. Democracy should be untainted, therefore people should be free support who they choose to support.

I was referring to the first part of your post.

*runs naked through thread*

if someone doesn't watch it, they just might get snapped in the tush with a towel. :roll:

*shakes bottom provocativley*

Same old "if you are not left-wing you are a racist, nazi..blah blah"

*yawn*

People can vote for whomever they like. It is a democracy. If the policies the BNP or any other party are so ridiculous then what do you have to fear from them?

It goes both ways.

Name me a left-wing party that is ridiculed in the press, whose party members are threatened with violence. Democracy should be untainted, therefore people should be free support who they choose to support.

who can't even hold a rally without violent counterdemonstrations, which the media strongly imply are the bnp's fault.

Precisely. Here in Australia we had a similar party in which their meetings were disrupted by violent protests by left-wing extremists. Peopel attending the meeting were assaulted, spat on and hit with urine filled balloons. That behaviour is unwarranted and undemocratic.

Fascist parties are extremely democratic though.

:roll:

Not saying I support what a few radical left-wingers do, but saying that they shouldn't be supported in any way, they can do nothing but harm to a democracy.

Fascist parties are extremely democratic though.

:roll:

Not saying I support what a few radical left-wingers do, but saying that they shouldn't be supported in any way, they can do nothing but harm to a democracy.


not all left leaning paties are stalinists, not all right wing parties are nazis, but for some reason leftists can disavow the millions stalin butchered, but nationists are always tarred with the brush of hitler's holocaust.

Fascist parties are extremely democratic though.

:roll:

Not saying I support what a few radical left-wingers do, but saying that they shouldn't be supported in any way, they can do nothing but harm to a democracy.

Definition of Democracy:

1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

2. A political or social unit that has such a government.

3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

4. Majority rule.

5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

(Source: www.dictionary.com)

So how can the freedom to support a right-wing party be damaging to democracy? In fact it enhances it, the left-wing extremists who violently protest against this right are the ones damaging democracy.

Their election would harm it.

Their election would harm it.

If they are elected democratically how can it harm democracy? If their ideas are so stupid then how would they ever get elected anyway?

Their election would harm it.

If they are elected democratically how can it harm democracy? If their ideas are so stupid then how would they ever get elected anyway?

some people only believe in democracy if you vote for the right people. they are all for the will of the people, but only if that will wants the same thing they do. leftists are all romantically attached to revolution, while the right only resorts to extra legal methods as a last resort, generally to counter leftist violence, but somehow we are the antidemocratic ones.

Their election would harm it.

If they are elected democratically how can it harm democracy? If their ideas are so stupid then how would they ever get elected anyway?

Because they're fascists, why is that so hard to understand?

Yes, the far-left have an element of self-righteousness that make them feel they are justified in their censuring of politcal freedom. They feel they are fighting the good fight and that makes them right.

If they are so right then what do the fear from the right-wing parties such as the BNP?

Their election would harm it.

If they are elected democratically how can it harm democracy? If their ideas are so stupid then how would they ever get elected anyway?

Because they're fascists, why is that so hard to understand?

Your fear of the right is no justification to tamper with democratic process. Whether you agree with their party's policies or not they have the right to meet and discuss their policies without violence. People also have the right to vote for whomever they choose without fear of violent reprisals or slurs.

Their election would harm it.

If they are elected democratically how can it harm democracy? If their ideas are so stupid then how would they ever get elected anyway?

Because they're fascists, why is that so hard to understand?

Your fear of the right is no justification to tamper with democratic process. Whether you agree with their party's policies or not they have the right to meet and discuss their policies without violence. People also have the right to vote for whomever they choose without fear of violent reprisals or slurs.I agree, and I'm pretty far left myself. Fact is, if you allow the idiots in the BNP to express their views and you confront them honestly, they fail. The same thing happens here in the US whenever the Klan tries to remake itself. They can hide it and gain a sense of respectability for a short time, but eventually the emptiness of their rhetoric makes itself apparent and they fail.

Their election would harm it.

If they are elected democratically how can it harm democracy? If their ideas are so stupid then how would they ever get elected anyway?

Because they're fascists, why is that so hard to understand?

Your fear of the right is no justification to tamper with democratic process. Whether you agree with their party's policies or not they have the right to meet and discuss their policies without violence. People also have the right to vote for whomever they choose without fear of violent reprisals or slurs.I agree, and I'm pretty far left myself. Fact is, if you allow the idiots in the BNP to express their views and you confront them honestly, they fail. The same thing happens here in the US whenever the Klan tries to remake itself. They can hide it and gain a sense of respectability for a short time, but eventually the emptiness of their rhetoric makes itself apparent and they fail.

I agree, and I'm pretty far left myself. Fact is, if you allow the idiots in the BNP to express their views and you confront them honestly, they fail. The same thing happens here in the US whenever the Klan tries to remake itself. They can hide it and gain a sense of respectability for a short time, but eventually the emptiness of their rhetoric makes itself apparent and they fail.

Precisely my point. Let nature, in this case democracy, take its course. Nothing justifies violent intimidation and slurring of people who choose to support parties like the BNP or any other party for that matter.
Calling them idiots is an unnecessary slur. You may not agree with them but it does not make them idiots.

OK, I concede, I was just being a dick.

OK, I concede, I was just being a dick.

Slurring yourself on the other hand is perfectly acceptable! :D

I agree, and I'm pretty far left myself. Fact is, if you allow the idiots in the BNP to express their views and you confront them honestly, they fail. The same thing happens here in the US whenever the Klan tries to remake itself. They can hide it and gain a sense of respectability for a short time, but eventually the emptiness of their rhetoric makes itself apparent and they fail.

Precisely my point. Let nature, in this case democracy, take its course. Nothing justifies violent intimidation and slurring of people who choose to support parties like the BNP or any other party for that matter.
Calling them idiots is an unnecessary slur. You may not agree with them but it does not make them idiots.
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At least here in GB we know it's the BliNP that intimidates and bullies. Want more evidential posts? Want me to post the list of criminal thugs that run the BliNP. The rapists, murderers, assaulters, lyers and theives? Just say the word and I'll post some links. Not 'lefty' links, but stuff from the BBC, Channel 4 and mainstream newspapers. Shall I do that? Some of you have either not bothered to look at my previous links or just don't plain care that the BliNP is a fascist, criminalised organisation with strong links to the the so-called 'loyalist' murderers in Ulster and the extreme right wing supremacists in the US. Wanna see it? Anyone want to read this? This is a lefty site but the facts are incontrvertable.
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/election2002/index.html Click through it and see what the BliNP scum are. http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/election2002/index.html

I think you have missed the point. I am saying everyone has the right to vote for who they like and not be faced with violence or slurs as a result of their choice.
Whether they vote for a left, right or centrist party that fact does not change. Democracy should be allowed to run its course free from intimidation and tampering.

You don't understand British politics do you. UKIP was all about taking GB out of the EU, the BliNP was all about stirring up racial hatred within the British isles. Neither 'side' would have voted for the other. Thank you for staing your support for the gangster party, I will now know what you are,a racist. And if you're proud that you voted for them it tells me a lot more about you too.



Sunday April 21, 2002
The Observer

Like all neo-Nazi parties, the British National Party is a criminal conspiracy, and not only because it dreams of the great crime of ethnically cleansing Britain when its glorious leader takes power. BNP organisers and candidates are often criminals themselves: rapists, bombers, drug dealers, bone-breakers and head-bangers. Fortunately, there aren't too many of them. The space editors give to media-literate fascists in collars and ties disguises the British National Party's failure to be a national party in Britain

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,687941,00.html.

Do you seriously think that by quoting a liberal newspaper that that validates what you write? We all expect the Left to talk that way. The people who write for the Guardian are generally misinformed, wealthy, middle-class leftists who never have to suffer the consequences of mass-immigration, living as they do in wealthy locales with adequate security for their homes and the ability to send their children to private schools, or local schools where the children are nearly all white.

It's rather different if you are white and poor and stuck in Burnley, for instance, and your local school is half-full of kids who can hardly speak English and Islam is the religion they know, and the liberal teachers profess how wonderful multi-cultural tolerance is and that "Islam is just as valid as Christianity", and that the Union Jack is an offensive symbol, and that colonial British history is just a litany of hatred and oppresion.

And in Burnley, in the street you grew up in, that you can't escape from, because you are poor - the Pakistani youths spit on you because you are white. Pensioners are beaten just for the "crime" of being white.

What's clear is that *you* don't understand British politics at all, from your safe, smug, middle-class perspective. You just don't have a clue. I almost feel sorry for you, but I don't, because you, and people like you, are the real enemy. You're the ones who have facilitated this catastrophe. Without liberal immigration polices none of this would have happened.

I cant believe anyone would ever actually think nationalism is a good thing.

I think you have missed the point. I am saying everyone has the right to vote for who they like and not be faced with violence or slurs as a result of their choice.
Whether they vote for a left, right or centrist party that fact does not change. Democracy should be allowed to run its course free from intimidation and tampering.
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No, I Haven't missed your point at all. I was reading your earlier posts and I wanted to be sure that you are well aware that the BliNP is the most undemocratic 'party' there is here and is unafraid to use thuggery and violence to get its way. I have no objection to the fascists electionering, I do have an objection to people not knowing what they stand for.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,687941,00.html.

Do you seriously think that by quoting a liberal newspaper that that validates what you write? We all expect the Left to talk that way. The people who write for the Guardian are generally misinformed, wealthy, middle-class leftists who never have to suffer the consequences of mass-immigration, living as they do in wealthy locales with adequate security for their homes and the ability to send their children to private schools, or local schools where the children are nearly all white.

It's rather different if you are white and poor and stuck in Burnley, for instance, and your local school is half-full of kids who can hardly speak English and Islam is the religion they know, and the liberal teachers profess how wonderful multi-cultural tolerance is and that "Islam is just as valid as Christianity", and that the Union Jack is an offensive symbol, and that colonial British history is just a litany of hatred and oppresion.

And in Burnley, in the street you grew up in, that you can't escape from, because you are poor - the Pakistani youths spit on you because you are white. Pensioners are beaten just for the "crime" of being white.

What's clear is that *you* don't understand British politics at all, from your safe, smug, middle-class perspective. You just don't have a clue. I almost feel sorry for you, but I don't, because you, and people like you, are the real enemy. You're the ones who have facilitated this catastrophe. Without liberal immigration polices none of this would have happened.[/quote]
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My lady doth protest too much. Get back in your pram.

hey, how many people in GB all together?

I think you have missed the point. I am saying everyone has the right to vote for who they like and not be faced with violence or slurs as a result of their choice.
Whether they vote for a left, right or centrist party that fact does not change. Democracy should be allowed to run its course free from intimidation and tampering.
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No, I Haven't missed your point at all. I was reading your earlier posts and I wanted to be sure that you are well aware that the BliNP is the most undemocratic 'party' there is here and is unafraid to use thuggery and violence to get its way. I have no objection to the fascists electionering, I do have an objection to people not knowing what they stand for.

I think its obvious what they stand for. Regardless of whether your share their beliefs or not they do have the right to voie their opinion.

I cant believe anyone would ever actually think nationalism is a good thing.

Why? Is it not reasonable for people to want to protect their national identity?

hey, how many people in GB all together?

A little less than 60 million. Why do you ask?

hey, how many people in GB all together?

A little less than 60 million. Why do you ask?

Because then you can relate the 800.000 votes to it.

My lady doth protest too much. Get back in your pram.

No counter-argument? Of course not. Because you don't have one, besides cliches and your previous quotes from liberal newspapers.

Try and be original, think for yourself, and you'll do a lot better. Don't be just one of the sheep, do something with value and vote BNP. :)

I cant believe anyone would ever actually think nationalism is a good thing.

Why? Is it not reasonable for people to want to protect their national identity?

This is more than protecting your national Identity. It makes little sense. Just because there are other cultures in your national borders and other elements that dont completely conform with your worldview, even though they obey the overall governmental laws, doesnt mean you cant protect your own.

hey, how many people in GB all together?

A little less than 60 million. Why do you ask?

Because then you can relate the 800.000 votes to it.

Well, you can't go by population, you go by the percentage of people who voted. The BNP was 0.01% shy of winning EU representation. It won 700,000 more votes than last time, and, as I wrote previously, would have done better if it hadn't been for the UKIP and the hostile, bigoted media coverage. But this is just the beginning. The BNP will do a lot better in the future.

Besides englands nationality is mixed. It has alway been a melting pot, succesive cultures lived there in Ancient times. And seeing as how england was the centre of a world empire it culture has been modifed as the people who lived under its subjugation were allowed the move the the capital. Colonialism was always about trying to win over the natives by relating to them on their cultural terms.

In light of this, tell me how The BNP arent just racists in disguise because they certainly sound like it.

Now I'f you'll excuse me. I'm off to eat some corned Beef. :D

hey, how many people in GB all together?

A little less than 60 million. Why do you ask?

Because then you can relate the 800.000 votes to it.

Well, you can't go by population, you go by the percentage of people who voted. The BNP was 0.01% shy of winning EU representation. It won 700,000 more votes than last time, and, as I wrote previously, would have done better if it hadn't been for the UKIP and the hostile, bigoted media coverage. But this is just the beginning. The BNP will do a lot better in the future.

Yes, but population still gives an overall sense of how much 800.000 votes is. In a 10-million country it would be much more. How many people voted in the UK?

Besides englands nationality is mixed. It has alway been a melting pot, succesive cultures lived there in Ancient times. And seeing as how england was the centre of a world empire it culture has been modifed as the people who lived under its subjugation were allowed the move the the capital. Colonialism was always about trying to win over the natives by relating to them on their cultural terms.

In light of this, tell me how The BNP arent just racists in disguise because they certainly sound like it.

Now I'f you'll excuse me. I'm off to eat some corned Beef. :D

Because everyone has a different perspective on life. Read what Democratic Nationality said, they are his experiences. Ones you do not share obviously. Our experiences shape our beliefs and therefore who we vote for.
Protecting your national identity and culture is not racist.

hey, how many people in GB all together?

A little less than 60 million. Why do you ask?

Because then you can relate the 800.000 votes to it.

Well, you can't go by population, you go by the percentage of people who voted. The BNP was 0.01% shy of winning EU representation. It won 700,000 more votes than last time, and, as I wrote previously, would have done better if it hadn't been for the UKIP and the hostile, bigoted media coverage. But this is just the beginning. The BNP will do a lot better in the future.

Yes, but population still gives an overall sense of how much 800.000 votes is. In a 10-million country it would be much more. How many people voted in the UK?
Rough figures: just under 40 million entitled to vote. Turn out for the vote was somewhere between 30 and 40 % so take 35% so that is 14 million voters taking the time to vote. Then 800,000 votes is about 6% of the voting population. Now that puts things in a different light.
For me more worrying! But if the main parties addressed the issues people were worried about they would lose much of that.

Besides englands nationality is mixed. It has alway been a melting pot, succesive cultures lived there in Ancient times. And seeing as how england was the centre of a world empire it culture has been modifed as the people who lived under its subjugation were allowed the move the the capital. Colonialism was always about trying to win over the natives by relating to them on their cultural terms.

In light of this, tell me how The BNP arent just racists in disguise because they certainly sound like it.

Now I'f you'll excuse me. I'm off to eat some corned Beef. :D

Because everyone has a different perspective on life. Read what Democratic Nationality said, they are his experiences. Ones you do not share obviously. Our experiences shape our beliefs and therefore who we vote for.
Protecting your national identity and culture is not racist.

Kicking all non-whites out of the country is racist however.

Nooooo1 Political Correctness! You knew my One weakness!

Besides englands nationality is mixed. It has alway been a melting pot, succesive cultures lived there in Ancient times. And seeing as how england was the centre of a world empire it culture has been modifed as the people who lived under its subjugation were allowed the move the the capital. Colonialism was always about trying to win over the natives by relating to them on their cultural terms.

In light of this, tell me how The BNP arent just racists in disguise because they certainly sound like it.

Now I'f you'll excuse me. I'm off to eat some corned Beef. :D

Because everyone has a different perspective on life. Read what Democratic Nationality said, they are his experiences. Ones you do not share obviously. Our experiences shape our beliefs and therefore who we vote for.
Protecting your national identity and culture is not racist.

Kicking all non-whites out of the country is racist however.

Yes, but revisiting immigration policy to protect the national identity and culture is not racist. Nations have a right to determine their own destiny and if enough people support what this party proposed who are you or anyone else to deny them that?

Alright Lets completely ignore my valid points. What is the british national culture?

Alright Lets completely ignore my valid points. What is the british national culture?

I am not British so would not be the best person to answer that.

Alright Lets completely ignore my valid points. What is the british national culture?
*sitting on the fence*
No he did not address your points but your question does not address his. To ask a question who's answer is difficult to define does not invalidate his point.
However to ask if there is anything wrong with the evolution of British culture is another thing. We have British/Indian Chinese/British food where our culture has influenced and moulded the cultures that come to us. Chicken tikka masahla (sorry for dodgy spelling) is a british dish. We take cultures in absorbe them and the whole mix changes. the question is: Is this a bad thing?
Another would be can the country cope?
If the answers are no and yes then the BNP are not valid in anyway.
If the answers are yes and no or no and no etc then they may have some validity (some not alot but some).

At least here in GB we know it's the BliNP that intimidates and bullies. Want more evidential posts? Want me to post the list of criminal thugs that run the BliNP. The rapists, murderers, assaulters, lyers and theives? Just say the word and I'll post some links. Not 'lefty' links, but stuff from the BBC, Channel 4 and mainstream newspapers. Shall I do that? Some of you have either not bothered to look at my previous links or just don't plain care that the BliNP is a fascist, criminalised organisation with strong links to the the so-called 'loyalist' murderers in Ulster and the extreme right wing supremacists in the US. I'm afraid that the tactic of reciting off the criminal convictions of BNP members is a pointless tactic. It doesen't target the people the BNP tries to get votes from (largely those who feel abandoned by the mainstream parties) and they've learnt how to neutralise it, by doing the same with the Lab/Lib/Con axis. The battle is for the hearts and minds of the BNP's audience.
Wanna see it? Anyone want to read this? This is a lefty site but the facts are incontrvertable.http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/election2002/index.html Click through it and see what the BliNP scum are. http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/election2002/index.htmlSearchlight are not a lefty site. They're a MI5 connected group (proscribed by Anti Fascist Action) who have spent as much time destabilising and spying on the left as they have on the right. Take nothing they say as truth without independantly verifying it.

On a lighter note, are none of the BNP supporterers on here going to comment on my post on the difference between your predictions before the election and the result. You're a busted flush. I predict disatifaction within the ranks. 8)

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Xenophobic much? Poor animation, poor politics.
The blackshi...I mean BNP are IMO a mixed bag...of white nationalists, racists and neo-Nazis. They should start a movement to boycott Curry.

Many people have been harmed by the UK’s liberal immigration policies [or at least feel they have]. Their feeling of alienation is no doubt increased by racial antipathy shown towards them by other groups and liberal distain for anything vaguely nationalistic [e.g. Union Jack and our history]. Any major policy will always harm at least one group – even if it enormously benefits the country as a whole.

Hopefully the BNP’s relatively small share of the vote shows that this group is small itself and will never be able to take control of any major political post. However, to say that they should not be allowed to represent their views is undemocratic and worse than their own platform.

btw, Democratic Nationality:
<sum> Why isn’t Islam just as valid as Christianity?
<sum> Don’t Pakistani pensioners get beaten up for the “crime” of being brown?
<sum> Wouldn’t an open BNP member EXPECT to get spat on by the people he preaches hate against?
<sum> You can escape from areas when you’re poor, if you try hard enough – if international migration benefits the people you hate, mightn’t internal migration work for the people you support?
<sum> Can’t a middle class person present a view on the issue without being the ‘enemy’ or misguided? And in a major city the school you go to is often majority non-white whatever your class – some people just don’t see it as a problem.

The BNP did get media attention as I saw three times (on BB1 and ITV) political broadcasts by the BNP's Fuhrer.

How is that negative and them being ignored?! They spout more and more lies every second.

Do you seriously think that by quoting a liberal newspaper that that validates what you write? We all expect the Left to talk that way. The people who write for the Guardian are generally misinformed, wealthy, middle-class leftists who never have to suffer the consequences of mass-immigration, living as they do in wealthy locales with adequate security for their homes and the ability to send their children to private schools, or local schools where the children are nearly all white.He quoted the Observer as it happens. Is reading quotes properly unpatriotic? You do realise that your comments on Guardian journalists equally apply to Nick Griffin if you change the word leftist for rightist?

It's rather different if you are white and poor and stuck in Burnley, for instance, and your local school is half-full of kids who can hardly speak English and Islam is the religion they know, and the liberal teachers profess how wonderful multi-cultural tolerance is and that "Islam is just as valid as Christianity", Surely paganism is actually the native religion of these shores?and that the Union Jack is an offensive symbol, Provide proof that's happened.and that colonial British history is just a litany of hatred and oppresion. It is. Why do you feel the need to defend the British upper class?

And in Burnley, in the street you grew up in, that you can't escape from, because you are poor - the Pakistani youths spit on you because you are white. Pensioners are beaten just for the "crime" of being white.And the BNP welcome that. You'll claim you don't but the BNP welcome anti-white racism. Look at your explotation of murdered white kids against the express wishes of their familys.

What's clear is that *you* don't understand British politics at all, from your safe, smug, middle-class perspective. You just don't have a clue. I almost feel sorry for you, but I don't, because you, and people like you, are the real enemy. You're the ones who have facilitated this catastrophe. Without liberal immigration polices none of this would have happened.Yeah, 'cos Nick Griffin and Tony Lecomber are such horny handed sons of toil. :roll: BNP members are in no posistion to lecture anyone about working class politics.

BNP made a huge effort in the South to say how they were a middle class party that was not extremely rascist.

However I know people in BNP and have to say they are not nice people, most are 'skinheads' and are extremely rascist.

I would prefere the party to get no votes at all and I agree it is extremely disturbing that peopole are voting for them.

Additionally it is imperitive to get the voters up as the majority that do not vote are libs, tories, and labour supporters. This would eliminate this relatively small proportion of supporters of BNP (most BNP supporters vote as they realise it is the only way to get any recognition; low vote turnouts help them)

BNP made a huge effort in the South to say how they were a middle class party that was not extremely rascist.

Lol, and yet they claim they are a working class party defending working class interests and people!

They're like Hitler, tell one thing to one group of people and another to a different group of people. :roll:

..... tell one thing to one group of people and another to a different group of people. :roll:

Show me a political party that doesn't.

BNP made a huge effort in the South to say how they were a middle class party that was not extremely rascist.

Lol, and yet they claim they are a working class party defending working class interests and people!

They're like Hitler, tell one thing to one group of people and another to a different group of people. :roll:

Exactly,
Saw some of the leaflets sent out, they had taken the Conservative leaflet (the area in conservative), copied it completely and written BNP on the top. It was quite funny actually!

But then the masses probably didn't pick up on this.

Just glad I am up in Scotland now.

Exactly,
Saw some of the leaflets sent out, they had taken the Conservative leaflet (the area in conservative), copied it completely and written BNP on the top. It was quite funny actually!

But then the masses probably didn't pick up on this.

Just glad I am up in Scotland now.

Lol. They really are dumb idiots.

Exactly,
Saw some of the leaflets sent out, they had taken the Conservative leaflet (the area in conservative), copied it completely and written BNP on the top. It was quite funny actually!

But then the masses probably didn't pick up on this.

Just glad I am up in Scotland now.

Lol. They really are dumb idiots.

as opposed to intelligent idiots?

as opposed to intelligent idiots?

Oh, ha ha. :roll:

Do you hve nothing better to do than to offend me?

..... tell one thing to one group of people and another to a different group of people. :roll:

Show me a political party that doesn't.

Lib Dems are the most honest party around, probably why I voted for them (not again though).

Last election they were the only party to say that they were going to put up taxes, interest rates will rise.......

as opposed to intelligent idiots?

Oh, ha ha. :roll:

Do you hve nothing better to do than to offend me?

Why would that offend you? The only people who could possibly be offended are those you called "dumb idiots".

as opposed to intelligent idiots?

Oh, ha ha. :roll:

Do you hve nothing better to do than to offend me?

I don't. :twisted:

I suppose you are conservative?

Why would that offend you? The only people who could possibly be offended are those you called "dumb idiots".

You know perfectly well that you are mocking me.

Show me a political party that doesn't.

Lib Dems are the most honest party around, probably why I voted for them (not again though).

Last election they were the only party to say that they were going to put up taxes, interest rates will rise.......

Did they win the election?

..... tell one thing to one group of people and another to a different group of people. :roll:

Show me a political party that doesn't.But the BNP claims to be an "anti-establisment" party, breaking with the corrupt ways of the mainstream. Are you acknowledging that this is a lie? And I defy you to find one example of the Independant Working Class Association doing this. We don't. That's why we unseated Oxford's mayor. :D

I don't. :twisted:

I suppose you are conservative?

Me...no. I really have no idea what political persuasion I am.

Why would that offend you? The only people who could possibly be offended are those you called "dumb idiots".

You know perfectly well that you are mocking me.

No, I am just amused by people who use adjectives that are really unnecessary as if to add greater meaning to their statement. Like calling someone a tall giant really...

Show me a political party that doesn't.

Lib Dems are the most honest party around, probably why I voted for them (not again though).

Last election they were the only party to say that they were going to put up taxes, interest rates will rise.......

Did they win the election?
15% of the vote in the European elections, they routinely come in a solid third to Labour and Conservatives in general elections.

No, I am just amused by people who use adjectives that are really unnecessary as if to add greater meaning to their statement. Like calling someone a tall giant really...

Well, we all can't be as intelligent as you or have a first class education.... :roll:

..... tell one thing to one group of people and another to a different group of people. :roll:

Show me a political party that doesn't.But the BNP claims to be an "anti-establisment" party, breaking with the corrupt ways of the mainstream. Are you acknowledging that this is a lie? And I defy you to find one example of the Independant Working Class Association doing this. We don't. That's why we unseated Oxford's mayor. :D

Umm...I am not British and have no allegiance to the BNP. I am merely arguing that people should be allowed to vote for whomever they choose without being subjected to violence and slurs.

Show me a political party that doesn't.

Lib Dems are the most honest party around, probably why I voted for them (not again though).

Last election they were the only party to say that they were going to put up taxes, interest rates will rise.......

Did they win the election?

Of course not, Lib Dems were destroyed as a competitive party back in the 1930-40s by newspapers.
Only just are they becoming a worthy vote (used to be said voting Lib Dem is 'a wasted vote').

Now conservative has suffered a similar fate.
Labour are successfully destroying themselves.
Lib dem will make alot of ground.

Also people under 25 are said to be the biggest voters on Lib Dem. So for the future?

No, I am just amused by people who use adjectives that are really unnecessary as if to add greater meaning to their statement. Like calling someone a tall giant really...

Well, we all can't be as intelligent as you or have a first class education.... :roll:

Ah, but you can. Everyone has access to an education in developed countries. Education is the way forward..by that I mean learn for yourselves and do not blindly swallow political rhetoric you read in the newspapers or see on TV.

Of course not, Lib Dems were destroyed as a competitive party back in the 1930-40s by newspapers.
Only just are they becoming a worthy vote (used to be said voting Lib Dem is 'a wasted vote').

Now conservative has suffered a similar fate.
Labour are successfully destroying themselves.
Lib dem will make alot of ground.

Also people under 25 are said to be the biggest voters on Lib Dem. So for the future?

This is what worries me. Political parties being destroyed by the media...the media should, in an ideal world, be neutral. But of course we do not live in the ideal world. If a political party's policy is so absurd or offensive then they will not get elected. By trying to sabotage their campaign or intimidate their supporters you only make them more desirable to those that feel they are downtrodden.

Umm...I am not British and have no allegiance to the BNP. I am merely arguing that people should be allowed to vote for whomever they choose without being subjected to violence and slurs.But I don't believe I've done any slurs. Merely told the truth about them. On violence- the BNP's abandonment of street confrontation was tactical (essentially because they weren't very good at it) not ideological. As I said before, I think the battle now is for hearts and minds. But the BNPs history makes it hypocrisy in the extreme for them to whine about violence.

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Hey fascists, deny any of this.

Losers in every sense! And to the fool that said 'we're just beginning, wait and see'........the Mongoose idiot was saying exactly that seven months ago on this very site. Losers in every sense.

BNP: British National Party deputy leader, Scott McLean, exposed as Nazi
2004-05-18
An undercover video obtained by the News of the World blows a hole in the myth that the BNP (British National Party) is a 'reformed' party of British patriots.

If top BNP bosses claim to have rid themselves of the infestation of Nazi support and holocaust denial, Sunday 16th's (May 2004) News of the World devotes a two page spread to the Nazi antics of BNP deputy leader Scott McLean.

McLean, a scotish BNP Euro election candidate parties in a secret Highland cottage with fellow BNP member, John Cartright, who's brother Steve is a former member of the violent Nazi terrorist group C18. McLean, in keeping with other BNP leaders, denies that the holocaust ever happened.

The News of the World describes the video:

'...Fellow BNP member and ex-soldier John Cartwright strums his guitar —and the group launch into a racist version of the 1960s Kenny Rogers hit Ruby, Don't Take Your Love To Town.

Instead of the correct lyrics, the group sing: "Oh n*****, get the **** out of my town."

Another verse goes: "N*****s are parasites, if you don't go I'll get my gun and put you in the ground.

"Oh n***** get the **** out of my town." Young children listen before they fall asleep in chairs.

On another occasion, two of the gathering appear outside the cottage in the Scottish Highlands and give the Nazi salute.

But what follows is even more sickening — as they chant "Auschwitz" after one of Hitler's most notorious Jewish extermination camps.

A large wooden cross is then set ablaze as a symbol of their hatred.

McLean, a married dad of three, loves to convey a sense of respectability among his neighbours in Barrhead, just outside Glasgow...'



Hull British National Party (BNP): member guilty of fire bomb attack
2004-05-06
Violent racism again follows in the wake of the British National Party (BNP), with the conviction of 3 men, one a Nazi sympathiser who 'boasted' of BNP membership, for a fire bomb attack against an Asian man.

Thomas Jackson, sentenced to 7 years imprisonment, shouted '..."Merry Christmas" and racial slurs as he threw the bombs, made from beer bottles full of petrol and stuffed with burning rags.'

'Unysur Rahman, 20, who was unloading a van outside a friend's furniture shop in Hessle Road, narrowly missed being hit when the "flaming missile" came flying in through the open door.'

'Seconds later, another bomb was thrown, this time hitting his forehead and setting fire to his clothes and furniture inside the van...'

This is Hull and West Riding: 'Petrol bomb set me alight'

'Thomas Jackson, 37, shrugged his shoulders as a judge at Hull Crown Court told him he should be ashamed of himself...'

This is Hull and West Riding: Racist who threw fire bomb jailed

'Jackson denied the attack and claimed at one stage that his collection of 150 swastika and Hitler stamps was the result of "an interest in the second world war". But the judge said that he had boasted of membership of a Nazi party and the British National Party.'
Guardian: Racist gets seven years for bombing


The map of politics in the UK places the British National Party (BNP) as the main far right political force in the UK. Its ability to mount a significant electoral presence in recent elections emphasises both its current strategy and its organisational resources. Its successes have been small even where it feels its strengths might be greatest.
For an up-to-date view of the BNP see the BBC Panorama web-based resource: BNP: under the skin
But this creates a view based soley on party-political organisation. Far right political sentiments do not depend on any one party and exert a general influence upon policy making, welfare and policing.
Far Right PoliticsFar Right Politics
Links to web based resources
The UK
"As the century draws to a close Searchlight takes a retrospective look at British fascism. From the proto-fascist British Brothers League in 1901 to the British National Party in 1999 we provide a short history of the organisations whose main objective is to stir up racial hatred." A Century of Fascism - Searchlight
Keep the Nazis out of Dover
The Far Right in Europe
"The scapegoating of immigrants and asylum seekers by the far right has brought - in some instances - rich political dividends. It explains, in large measure, the growth of the National Front in France, the Flemish Bloc in Belgium and - to a degree - the far-right National Alliance and the Northern League in Italy." Analysis: EU's forceful warning on Haider - BBC
A Map of Far Right Groups Europe's Far Right
Austria and the Haider FactorSpecial report - BBC
Human Rights
UN links globalisation to racism:Mary Robinson's May Day Call to Action
Clause 28 and Souter's Referendum:BBC News Article
Amnesty International Annual Report:Refugee Protection under Attack
Stop this Bogus Tabloid Nationalism:CARF

Thought I'd liven the mood.

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This is what worries me. Political parties being destroyed by the media...the media should, in an ideal world, be neutral. But of course we do not live in the ideal world. If a political party's policy is so absurd or offensive then they will not get elected. By trying to sabotage their campaign or intimidate their supporters you only make them more desirable to those that feel they are downtrodden.

The idea that the media can "destroy" political parties is one that is very dear to the media -- but it has very little basis in fact. People are not sheep; they don't read The Sun and say, "you know, I think I'll abandon my previous political convictions and vote Tory." Most recent UK elections have been won and lost by small swings in key areas, by people reacting to the often local political situations around them. And the last couple of elections have been influenced more by traditional Tory supporters refusing to vote, than by major swings of support to Labour.

The media -- in the UK this mainly applies to the newspapers, since broadcasters are under legal restrictions on balance -- reflect their readers' opinions; they don't set them. They are all about selling more copies than yesterday. The last thing they are going to do is challenge the opinions of their readers and risk offending them.

It's possible that, over the years, the drip-drip-drip of right-wing vitriol from rags like the Sun and the Daily "Hurrah for the Blackshirts!" Mail might well have a slight corrosive effect on the political landscape, but it will be far far less than they would have you believe. It was never "the Sun wot won it"; that's just egotistical posturing by deluded hacks, and probably a good sales strategy to help persuade their "readers" into thinking that their opinions count.

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Here you are fascists and their apologists. Try this dictionary definition.
You might find it difficult to read because it has long words. But......................not a word of a lie. Unlike all the BliNP literature.
I wonder how many people have the stomach to read this?


http://www.wordiq.com/definition/British_National_Party

The idea that the media can "destroy" political parties is one that is very dear to the media -- but it has very little basis in fact. People are not sheep; they don't read The Sun and say, "you know, I think I'll abandon my previous political convictions and vote Tory." Most recent UK elections have been won and lost by small swings in key areas, by people reacting to the often local political situations around them. And the last couple of elections have been influenced more by traditional Tory supporters refusing to vote, than by major swings of support to Labour.

The media -- in the UK this mainly applies to the newspapers, since broadcasters are under legal restrictions on balance -- reflect their readers' opinions; they don't set them. They are all about selling more copies than yesterday. The last thing they are going to do is challenge the opinions of their readers and risk offending them.

It's possible that, over the years, the drip-drip-drip of right-wing vitriol from rags like the Sun and the Daily "Hurrah for the Blackshirts!" Mail might well have a slight corrosive effect on the political landscape, but it will be far far less than they would have you believe. It was never "the Sun wot won it"; that's just egotistical posturing by deluded hacks, and probably a good sales strategy to help persuade their "readers" into thinking that their opinions count.

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Even Tony Blair admitted it was the Sun swinging to New Labour that gave him about a million votes.

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Here you are fascists and their apologists. Try this dictionary definition.
You might find it difficult to read because it has long words. But......................not a word of a lie. Unlike all the BliNP literature.
I wonder how many people have the stomach to read this?


http://www.wordiq.com/definition/British_National_Party
I thought the debate was, should they be allowed to exist not are they good or bad. If everyone I strongly disagree with is banned from the political arena I'll always be happy with the PM. But that is not democratic, the problem with the democratic process is you have to allow people like this to express thier views however of the wall they are.
The definition shown is fine but sits under the banner of a disputed definition so it is not fact written in stone but opinion and facts presented with some bias, it must be as every single event is not given so some editing must take place. That is done by a person who makes a choice of what to put in and what not to.

Lets agree that we are opposed to them, but are happy to be in a country where they are allowed to express thier views in a legal manner (as long as they do).

Even Tony Blair admitted it was the Sun swinging to New Labour that gave him about a million votes.

Tony Blair says a lot of things; it doesn't make them true. His current "majority" was gained from attracting just 24% of the electorate, and it's in his interests to maintain the fiction that he has a mandate. He also perceives it to be in his interests to boost the over-ripe egos of Sun journalists and editors, and to pander to the Murdoch press in general.

The BNP will get stronger as time passes and the British government of whatever political hue does little to control the endless tide of immigration. The enlargement of the EU will only accelerate the process.

From virtually nowhere 4 years ago they are starting to make real progress, and considering the hostility from the media, and their tiny election funds compared to the other parties, achieving 800,000+ votes is a real achievement. Unfortunately, the UKIP took votes from the BNP - without them, the BNP would have had representatives in the EU parliament, without a doubt, but the UKIP won't be around for long.

I wish the BNP good luck for the future, may it have much more success. I voted for them, am proud to have done so, and will do it again.

It's interesting that groups such as the BNP claim hostility from the media when the whole basis for their success is papers like the Sun, the Mail and the Express spilling out xenophobic lies about immigration, asylum and the EU.

The BNP will get stronger as time passes and the British government of whatever political hue does little to control the endless tide of immigration. The enlargement of the EU will only accelerate the process.

From virtually nowhere 4 years ago they are starting to make real progress, and considering the hostility from the media, and their tiny election funds compared to the other parties, achieving 800,000+ votes is a real achievement. Unfortunately, the UKIP took votes from the BNP - without them, the BNP would have had representatives in the EU parliament, without a doubt, but the UKIP won't be around for long.

I wish the BNP good luck for the future, may it have much more success. I voted for them, am proud to have done so, and will do it again.

It's interesting that groups such as the BNP claim hostility from the media when the whole basis for their success is papers like the Sun, the Mail and the Express spilling out xenophobic lies about immigration, asylum and the EU.

Didn't have the time to read all the posts here
but the Flemish Block in Belgium won around 1 MILION voters.

That's 23 percent of the Flemish and 10 percent of the Belgian population.

Flemish Block is the extreme-right party, sorta like the BNP;
so, not really something to be proud of.

Any Belgian NationStates-playaz or long-term visitors of BE wanna comment on that ?

Didn't have the time to read all the posts here
but the Flemish Block in Belgium won around 1 MILION voters.

That's 23 percent of the Flemish and 10 percent of the Belgian population.

Flemish Block is the extreme-right party, sorta like the BNP;
so, not really something to be proud of.

Any Belgian NationStates-playaz or long-term visitors of BE wanna comment on that ?


hail the new dawn in the low countries, it good to see at least some of europe is finally awakening.

I thought the debate was, should they be allowed to exist not are they good or bad. If everyone I strongly disagree with is banned from the political arena I'll always be happy with the PM. But that is not democratic, the problem with the democratic process is you have to allow people like this to express thier views however of the wall they are.
The definition shown is fine but sits under the banner of a disputed definition so it is not fact written in stone but opinion and facts presented with some bias, it must be as every single event is not given so some editing must take place. That is done by a person who makes a choice of what to put in and what not to.

Lets agree that we are opposed to them, but are happy to be in a country where they are allowed to express thier views in a legal manner (as long as they do).

That was exactly the argument I was making. Unfortunately certain posters only believe in freedom of speech and freedom of association provided they support their ideals.

I do not support the BNP, I am not British and I am not a fascist. The BNP has as much right to exist as any other. As I have said a number of times, if their policies and agenda are ridiculous then what do you have to fear from them?

I thought the debate was, should they be allowed to exist not are they good or bad. If everyone I strongly disagree with is banned from the political arena I'll always be happy with the PM. But that is not democratic, the problem with the democratic process is you have to allow people like this to express thier views however of the wall they are.
The definition shown is fine but sits under the banner of a disputed definition so it is not fact written in stone but opinion and facts presented with some bias, it must be as every single event is not given so some editing must take place. That is done by a person who makes a choice of what to put in and what not to.

Lets agree that we are opposed to them, but are happy to be in a country where they are allowed to express thier views in a legal manner (as long as they do).

That was exactly the argument I was making. Unfortunately certain posters only believe in freedom of speech and freedom of association provided they support their ideals.

I do not support the BNP, I am not British and I am not a fascist. The BNP has as much right to exist as any other. As I have said a number of times, if their policies and agenda are ridiculous then what do you have to fear from them?


they are actually a bit to left wing for me, they have given up the position of repatriation of immigrants, the only way to save european culture. i only hope they are really as far right as the liberal medis makes them out to be, however i fear not.

The problem with the BNP is that they and their supporters are really not racist enough.

When I was a BNP member, I found that there were few real racists and almost no fascists involved, at least not in the Liverpool branch.

Most of the people who attended the meetings were just ordinary people who worried about immigration because of the increased crime that resulted from it, and the reduced wages that are a consequence of the increased competition for low paying jobs.

These people were as resentful of the prospect of Eastern Europeans arriving in the UK as they were of West Indians or Pakistanis, it's not so much race as crime and jobs for most of them.

But from my own perspective, me being an open National Socialist, I support 100% the EU expansion, and I want as many new immigrants and also genuine/fake asylum seekers as possible to come to the UK, from all over the world.

I want the UK to be bursting at the seams. I'd like to see a couple of million arriving every year, at least, and the left wing media and academics and all the rest of them telling us how great it is to have them here, how they enrich our culture with their diversity and so on. The more the better!

The longer it goes on, the more fertile the ground for culture/race war. The politics of the far right (or the far left for that matter), can never win an election openly. We know we are viewed as extremists, and so we are, and it takes extreme circumstances to turn things our way. We need crisis to take power, or at least to have real influence, and the crazy immigration and cultural polices of the bourgeois liberal democracies in the West are going to open the door to us in the future. It’ll take a while, but we are slowly getting there.

We all know the Chinese proverb, "May You Live In Interesting Times". These are interesting times for the far right, and for the far left too, if it plays its cards right. And it's only going to get better. :)

exactly, in a few generations a pole or a bulgarian will be as british as a descendent of william the conquerer, but a pakistan or a nigeria will never be. i didn't mean repatriation for other europeans(though a massive influx could erode certain distinct cultural traits of britian or other european nations).

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A large wooden cross is then set ablaze as a symbol of their hatred.

Isn't ot interesting that the BNP, who so zealously defend the history and track record of the British Empire, opnely associate with and (as the above quote shows) imitate far-right nationlasit groups (which the KKK sort of are) in a nation which revolted against their beloved empire.

It's a funny old world..... :D

The BNP will never be a serious threat unless a majority vote for them, as they're not a threat if thet're not in power. And if a majority does vote for them, then that majority will get the opressive and corrupt government they voted for, and deserve.