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I know fifth graders who say they're lesbian, and thirty year olds who honestly say they don't know. I have to say I'm not sure about mine. I've had girlfriends (4), no boyfriends(0), but I'm open to other ideas. The farthest I've "gone" with a girl is holding hands, with a guy is... nothing much. So I'm pretty sure I'm straight, though I probably sound like I have repressed tendencies :) . How old do you have to be to know, if ever?

Well, if your in a time like you are, its really up to you. Sexuality is really what you make of it. If you want to be straight, you can be. If you want to be gay, you can be. Thats how it works, it isnt like some magical wand really.

But how old are you anyways?

Old enough. You'll know when you know.. not much else to say. If you cant make up your mind at all, maybe you are bisexual? That would be great.. considering that you could chose from both genders.. how exciting :shock:

Well, if your in a time like you are, its really up to you. Sexuality is really what you make of it. If you want to be straight, you can be. If you want to be gay, you can be. Thats how it works, it isnt like some magical wand really.

But how old are you anyways?

Ummmm...

Should I tell you this?

I'm fifteen.

there's not an official age for that sort of thing. many people know right away, while others take a lifetime to figure it out. partly that is because humans are, biologically, probably predisposed to be bisexual, and people still see sexuality as polar opposites: either you are gay or you are striaght. the reality is that most people are someplace in the middle when they start their life, but their personal experiences shape their preferences.

there's not an official age for that sort of thing. many people know right away, while others take a lifetime to figure it out. partly that is because humans are, biologically, probably predisposed to be bisexual, and people still see sexuality as polar opposites: either you are gay or you are striaght. the reality is that most people are someplace in the middle when they start their life, but their personal experiences shape their preferences.

I don't mean to be rude, but how are we 'predisposed' to be bisexual? Surely, our natural instinct would to be straight (i.e: reproduction and passing on our genes etc).

I know akid who I thought was gay when he was five years old, he used to try on all my sisters dresses, (she hated wearing dresses) and his favorite thing to do was pretend he was snow white and get carried off by a prince on a white horse. Lo and behold he turns thirteen, and comes out to his parents, and gets kicked out of school for it (religous school in vienna), So I would say that unlike driving, drinking or voting, knowing you sexuality does not have a required age, although I doubt if he knew he was gay or what gay was when he was five, but Ill be he know he was attracted to men early on. As for you, Katholik, If you are attracted to men, give it a shot you might like it, if not you are probobly straight.

I'm fifteen.

The only thing I can say is you know when you know. That's not too helpful; let me try something else.

What will probably help you the most is thinking about your fantasies when you're in the mood sexually. If you find yourself fantasizing girls or women only, you're most likely attracted to them. If you find yourself thinking about mostly one gender but having some thoughts about the other (like, let's say mostly males with the occasional female), you're most likely bi.

There's a more recent designation I've heard lately: Bi-curious. That's for people who usually have sexual relations with one gender but occasionally do certain things with the other (the straight guy who has a guy perform oral sex on him; the girl who makes out with another girl).

It's possible that it may take some time before you know the answer for this yourself. It took me a long time before I was able to answer the question for myself honestly.

When you feel the groove go with it. It won't lead you wrong and it might make you happy.

there's not an official age for that sort of thing. many people know right away, while others take a lifetime to figure it out. partly that is because humans are, biologically, probably predisposed to be bisexual, and people still see sexuality as polar opposites: either you are gay or you are striaght. the reality is that most people are someplace in the middle when they start their life, but their personal experiences shape their preferences.

I don't mean to be rude, but how are we 'predisposed' to be bisexual? Surely, our natural instinct would to be straight (i.e: reproduction and passing on our genes etc).

because of primate social structure it is advantageous for an individual to be bisexual, in order to maximize their likelihood of finding not only a mate to physically reproduce with but also a mate who will stay to assist in rearing a child. communal living and hierarchies, along with a non-seasonal estrus cycle, favor complex sexual interactions rather than exclusive pairings for child rearing; in other words, for a primate it is better to have a complex social structure to assist with communally raising young, instead of just having a mommy and a daddy and a baby.

because of the additional time and energy required to raise primate young (compared to other animal life) the stress shifts from merely conceiving to the complex process of getting the infant to the point of self-sufficiency. this is why heterosexuality alone is not especially important; as long as the individual is willing/able to exploit their fertility, their sexual interactions after that do not necessarily need to be with the father/mother of the offspring.

additionally, in many primate species there is the advent of homosexual animals helping to raise siblings rather than having their own offsping. because siblings are just as genetically related as offspring would be, this is adaptive from a genetic point of view.

i have more info on this, but it gets a little complicated...i will go into more detail if necessary.

Well, if your in a time like you are, its really up to you. Sexuality is really what you make of it. If you want to be straight, you can be. If you want to be gay, you can be. Thats how it works, it isnt like some magical wand really.

But how old are you anyways?


Sorry duke, but no. Willfully changin your sexuality is all but impossible, the few people who claim to have done it are simply repressed by their families/communities, or are bisexual, and have chosen to only have sex with the oppisite sex even though they would enjoy having sex with the same sex. I know for one, that even If I wanted to try and be gay, sex with a man is repulsive to me, and no amount of forcing could change that. Do you really believe you could chose your sexuality, there are many fators tha contribute to the shaping of sexuality, whihc are the subject of much debate, but no one whose opinion is resprected actually thinks that it is a choice. there are plenty of homosexuals that would chose not be gay if they could simply to avoid the hatred and intolerence, I mean honestly why would anyone choose to be ostracized and hated?

i have more info on this, but it gets a little complicated...i will go into more detail if necessary.

No thanks....I'm already rather confused with that post. :? :lol:

I know fifth graders who say they're lesbian, and thirty year olds who honestly say they don't know. I have to say I'm not sure about mine. I've had girlfriends (4), no boyfriends(0), but I'm open to other ideas. The farthest I've "gone" with a girl is holding hands, with a guy is... nothing much. So I'm pretty sure I'm straight, though I probably sound like I have repressed tendencies :) . How old do you have to be to know, if ever?

I never knew. :shock:

I don't mean to be rude, but how are we 'predisposed' to be bisexual? Surely, our natural instinct would to be straight (i.e: reproduction and passing on our genes etc).

Because we are not predisposed towards reproduction. Sexual contact feels good to encourage us to engage in it, and those organisms who found it unpleasant would very rapidly be shuffled off the scene by natural selection. Ultimately though it's just a question of (the right amount of) friction. Other animals have mating seasons and visual and olfactory cues (although there's a fair bit of non-specific frottage in the animal kingdom, too), but human beings, along with our close cousins the Bonobo chimps, are pretty much 24/7 when it comes to sex. As a rule, we do it because we like it, not because we want to reproduce -- no matter what the Pope says. :)

i have more info on this, but it gets a little complicated...i will go into more detail if necessary.

No thanks....I'm already rather confused with that post. :? :lol:

sorry :P, i just finished a Behavior Ecology seminar course, so i'm a bit steeped in this sort of thing. it's confusing, and i don't do a very good job of explaning it.

i dont' know that there's a designated age.
i kinda wonder if just slight bisexuality screws people up more than anything... i mean, if someone is mostly attracted to the opposite sex and has occasional fantasies about their same sex, then they might question whether they're straight or gay and in denial... or something. i dunno.

personally, while i've only dated guys, i would like to try something with a girl, though i could never see myself in a relationship with another girl as such... well, certainly not a lifelong deal.

sorry :P, i just finished a Behavior Ecology seminar course, so i'm a bit steeped in this sort of thing. it's confusing, and i don't do a very good job of explaning it.

I sort of gaged what you were saying and from what I understood I disagree but, as I say, I'm a bit too confused to debate that or make a decision on it.

I know akid who I thought was gay when he was five years old, he used to try on all my sisters dresses, (she hated wearing dresses) and his favorite thing to do was pretend he was snow white and get carried off by a prince on a white horse. Lo and behold he turns thirteen, and comes out to his parents, and gets kicked out of school for it (religous school in vienna), So I would say that unlike driving, drinking or voting, knowing you sexuality does not have a required age, although I doubt if he knew he was gay or what gay was when he was five, but Ill be he know he was attracted to men early on. As for you, Katholik, If you are attracted to men, give it a shot you might like it, if not you are probobly straight.

I dunno... That sounds kind of... weird to me. You know...

There's this one guy who went around and kissed all the other guys on the cheek. I was kind of grossed out about it because it was all slobbery, but then I realized it was a guy, and was a little grossed out again, but not as much as when I thought about it being slobbery.

And I don't think I'm going to do anything with a guy yet, until I do something with a girl. My love life hasn't been that great. The girls I've gone out with have been:

Chick 1: Looked like a guy (not a turn on). Was bisexual (didn't tell me.) Like Yu-Gi-Oh and Tenchi-Muyo (and other wanna-be hentai shows). I went out with her for a little bit (don't ask me why.) When I broke up with her, whe became Satan worshipping, full on lesbian, and tried to commit suicide.

Chick 2: Liked Star Trek. Liked another guy, and cheated on me with him the entire time she was going out with me. Said she liked me better than she ever liked anyone (other than her family, but not in the Arkansas way) before. Was a prude.

Chick 3: Talked to her about twice the entire time we were going out. Said she only went out with me "Because I was weird." Be still my dropping self-esteem.

Chick 4: Went out with her right after I met her (2 weeks after). Was a mormon, though not as prudey as chick #2. First girl I held hands with (Yes, It was in ninth grade.) Wouldn't go across the street from school to a hamburger joint that had great shakes for 15 minutes because it sounded "Too much like a date." When I tried to kiss her three weeks after we'd been going out, she said kissing leads to fornification and that she would still go out with me, but under protest. Broke up with me in a note.

Girls like these could be enough to drive men gay.

i think it really does vary.

my best friend realized he was gay this past year when he got a mondo huge crush on this guy a grade ahead of us.

but then again, i've known i was straight since i was 7.

and also, i know a woman who was straight, or so we thought (although she did have lots of extreme feministic tendencies), but ran off with her girlfriend at age 47, even though she had been married, with two children.

so it really can vary. something just clicks, i guess.

I don't think you HAVE to be old enough to know your own sexuality. Only the individual can know their own orientation. It can be a bit uncertain among teenagers 'cos of puberty and the hormones. During that time, you could be 'straight' one day, then 'gay' the next.

It depends on who or what you fancy.

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I dunno... That sounds kind of... weird to me. You know...

There's this one guy who went around and kissed all the other guys on the cheek. I was kind of grossed out about it because it was all slobbery, but then I realized it was a guy, and was a little grossed out again, but not as much as when I thought about it being slobbery.

And I don't think I'm going to do anything with a guy yet, until I do something with a girl. My love life hasn't been that great. The girls I've gone out with have been:

Chick 1: Looked like a guy (not a turn on). Was bisexual (didn't tell me.) Like Yu-Gi-Oh and Tenchi-Muyo (and other wanna-be hentai shows). I went out with her for a little bit (don't ask me why.) When I broke up with her, whe became Satan worshipping, full on lesbian, and tried to commit suicide.

Chick 2: Liked Star Trek. Liked another guy, and cheated on me with him the entire time she was going out with me. Said she liked me better than she ever liked anyone (other than her family, but not in the Arkansas way) before. Was a prude.

Chick 3: Talked to her about twice the entire time we were going out. Said she only went out with me "Because I was weird." Be still my dropping self-esteem.

Chick 4: Went out with her right after I met her (2 weeks after). Was a mormon, though not as prudey as chick #2. First girl I held hands with (Yes, It was in ninth grade.) Wouldn't go across the street from school to a hamburger joint that had great shakes for 15 minutes because it sounded "Too much like a date." When I tried to kiss her three weeks after we'd been going out, she said kissing leads to fornification and that she would still go out with me, but under protest. Broke up with me in a note.

Girls like these could be enough to drive men gay.[/quote]

Damn dude thats some shitty luck. I was just making the point that sexuality can come extremely naturally (as with the example in my post), or with much more difficulty, and you shouldnt expect to just know the moment you turn a certain age, but then again, a lot of people do "just know" It sounds like you had some crappy experiences, but that has nothing to do with your sexuality, you should go out and have some good ones, learn more about yourself, and at somepoint you will figure yourself out.

I'm fairly certain that the purpose for homosexuality among animals has little to do with child-rearing.... I'm sure you could find examples of that if you really tried, but the main purpose for homosexuality in animals has been to assert dominance. One way to achieve dominance in a social setting between animals is through sex. Therefore, the sexual act is usually not reciprocated, meaning that one is the active instigator while the other is passive and subdued. If there was reciprocity, I might be able to agree with you about your point about child-rearing. But since one animal takes a dominant role, I am forced to assume that the issue is control.

It would be more appropriate to call such animals bisexual than homosexual, because even if one animal exhibits homosexual behavior, it will still seek out a female of the species to reproduce with. And, since animals mate in pairs, even if the raising of the offspring is done by one parent or the other, it doesn't make sense to include another individual into the group.

I believe I know what example you are trying to use: penguins. There is a particular penguin species that has been known to raise its young through homosexual pairings, but this is not the norm. Even if you are right about that particular species, that does not mean that you are right about all of the others.

I am not trying to say that human homosexuals are interested in dominance. Humans are a completely different creature from any other. We are capable of complex thought processes which enable us to form attachments beyond that of animals. But the example of animal homosexuality has little to nothing to do with the human issue.

The middle of puberty is not the time to decide. Raging hormones can make a rock seem atractive. I've always wondered how many who "come out" in thier teens regret it. A momemtary hormone attraction to someone of the same sex and they tell everyone they are gay. A little hard to take back when the hormones calm down, so your stuck with the it. Take the time to find out about youself and wait untill your sure.

Well I'm certaintly not going to take advice from Teen Health FX (http://www.teenhealthfx.com/). But it is funny to look at.

All I seem to have figured out about myself is that girls don't seem to like me. Oh well... :(

I'm fairly certain that the purpose for homosexuality among animals has little to do with child-rearing.... I'm sure you could find examples of that if you really tried, but the main purpose for homosexuality in animals has been to assert dominance. One way to achieve dominance in a social setting between animals is through sex. Therefore, the sexual act is usually not reciprocated, meaning that one is the active instigator while the other is passive and subdued. If there was reciprocity, I might be able to agree with you about your point about child-rearing. But since one animal takes a dominant role, I am forced to assume that the issue is control.

It would be more appropriate to call such animals bisexual than homosexual, because even if one animal exhibits homosexual behavior, it will still seek out a female of the species to reproduce with. And, since animals mate in pairs, even if the raising of the offspring is done by one parent or the other, it doesn't make sense to include another individual into the group.

I believe I know what example you are trying to use: penguins. There is a particular penguin species that has been known to raise its young through homosexual pairings, but this is not the norm. Even if you are right about that particular species, that does not mean that you are right about all of the others.

I am not trying to say that human homosexuals are interested in dominance. Humans are a completely different creature from any other. We are capable of complex thought processes which enable us to form attachments beyond that of animals. But the example of animal homosexuality has little to nothing to do with the human issue.

what you have posted is a common misconception. among higher mammals and primates, homosexuality rarely has anything to do with dominance. among our closest relatives, the chimps, homosexual rape is virtually non-existent, even in populations where males have been observed to force intercourse with females. homosexual bonding is more often simply for survival of the individual or for care of the young.

and no, i actually wasn't thinking of penguins. i was thinking of chimps, dolphins, fletcher birds, several species of goat and ram, three North American deer species, 15 breeds of songbird, and the North American black bear. among others.

it is true that animal models are limited, and animal behavior cannot be directly applied to human behavior. however, based on our research with primates and research into the human brain, there are many things we can establish about instinctual drives and rearing practices that are shared in the primate family. based on what we know of primate interactions and the evolution of homo sapiens it is extremely likely that our brains are designed with a predisposition to bisexuality. whether or not people believe it is moral to act on that predisposition is another matter, since we obviously have plenty of negative predispositions. but no study to date has contradicted the evidence that, biosocially, we are most likely bisexuals.

chemical and neurological studies of the brain also reveal that roughly 75% of the human population (measured among young professionals in Whitney et al 1999) show physical response to homosexual stimuli that is comparable to their response to heterosexual stimuli. now, that is among the 20-30 educated crowd, who are typically less reserved about sexuality, but i think it is still very compelling evidence.

The middle of puberty is not the time to decide. Raging hormones can make a rock seem atractive. I've always wondered how many who "come out" in thier teens regret it. A momemtary hormone attraction to someone of the same sex and they tell everyone they are gay. A little hard to take back when the hormones calm down, so your stuck with the it. Take the time to find out about youself and wait untill your sure.

true...it's best not to jump to conclusions, let your sexuality develop as it will and don't try to slap labels on yourself right off the bat.

Well I'm certaintly not going to take advice from Teen Health FX (http://www.teenhealthfx.com/). But it is funny to look at.

All I seem to have figured out about myself is that girls don't seem to like me. Oh well... :(

I think that you just think you may be gay because you've had some bad experiences with girls. From what you've said, I think that if you find the right girl, all those homoerotic feelings of yours will go away.

But that doesn't mean you need to stop pretending to be a gay trucker. :wink:

Well I'm certaintly not going to take advice from Teen Health FX (http://www.teenhealthfx.com/). But it is funny to look at.

All I seem to have figured out about myself is that girls don't seem to like me. Oh well... :(


lol that is funny check out the thing about vaporizing.... how old did you say you were? 15? I dont really remember sry. But lets face it, out of 100 15 year old boys, probobly 10 have figured out how to talk/act in a way that makes them attractive to the oppopsite sex. (hence the high school "popular" crowd) This is why so many 15 year old girls go out with 25 year old guys. How do you do it? essentially you grow up, become a more complete person, develop your interests , and talk to people about them, be outgoing, meet new people, both male and female. Girls are often attracted to guys with stuff to do, places to go, etc. Why? cause being a teenager is boring. Most guys are probobly busy staring at girl's tits, so you can be the one who actually has something interesting to say that is not simply part of a plot to get her naked . (This has to be honest, you can't be trying to bang her, she'll know, its obvious!) Then, when the time comes be direct, dont waffle and say what is on your mind. Also, In my experience being with someone your dont really care about just to have sex isn't worth it, in the best case itll make you feel hollow, and in the worst case you could break sombodys heart, casual sex is not worth either outcome. (Thats not to say that casual sex is bad, just know what your getting into :wink: ) In short, as cheesy as it sounds, be yourself, and rest comes natually from there.

that's the thing boogie...

In case you haven't noticed, my physical track record is kinda non existent. It's just that myself isn't attractive to girls, or I find out that they belong to a baby sacrificing cult and like anime. The girls are just kind of shallow, and the deeper ones don't wanna get into a relationship because they're... different.

The middle of puberty is not the time to decide. Raging hormones can make a rock seem attractive. I've always wondered how many who "come out" in thier teens regret it.

true...it's best not to jump to conclusions, let your sexuality develop as it will and don't try to slap labels on yourself right off the bat.

One thing that comes to my mind was a story I read where being bi was the "in" thing. It seemed everyone called themselves bisexual regardless of whether or not the label could be accurately applied to them. I've seen people describe bisexuality as "greediness," "bi now, gay later" and other less-than-flattering monikers. It seems that bisexual is the label applied to anyone who isn't either a flamer or ultra straight.

The Kinsey model may not be perfect, but it at least seems to have some application to people who fall anywhere between the two extremes.

I completely agree with Bottle's comment about letting your sexuality develop as it does.

that's the thing boogie...

In case you haven't noticed, my physical track record is kinda non existent. It's just that myself isn't attractive to girls, or I find out that they belong to a baby sacrificing cult and like anime. The girls are just kind of shallow, and the deeper ones don't wanna get into a relationship because they're... different.

Thats cause your in high school. dont worry, when people say these are the best years of your life, They are lying. That notion come form people who stop having fun when they turn 20, (ultra-conservative, boring, 50s family men, and their even more boring housewives, who's high point of their lives was getting screwed in the back of a Volkswagon after their highschool prom)
So dont worry it gets better, being a minor sucks. (you will see that once you turn 18 you command alot more respect form the general population)

Also, most 15 year old boys are not exactly attractive, the acne will go away, and it will matter less and less the older you get. A

Shallowness is a defense mechanism that many girls use to fend off the onslaught of sexual advances that girls have to endure during puberty, this is why you have to (honestly!) not be making a sexual advance, just make conversation, you will find out that people have more to them than you think. Baby sacrificing, and being "different" are also often used as this kind of defence mechanism (not always). I knew a girl who told everyone she was lesbian all through high school just to avoid being harassed.

Who sent me this...

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Received: 59 minutes ago Don't listen to the politically correct braindead liberals who will tell you to experience with homosexuality. They are dedicated to destroying straight white america and they can only do so by destroying the youth. Stay on the straight and narrow.

GOD BLESS.

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Come on, be brave enough to own up. :?

Well, whoever it was has been DEATed.

i know a girl who says shes bi since 12 and a guy who was married and children and found out he was gay at 40 (married to women and geneticly his children)

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The Republic of HelloHowAreYou
Received: 59 minutes ago Don't listen to the politically correct braindead liberals who will tell you to experience with homosexuality. They are dedicated to destroying straight white america and they can only do so by destroying the youth. Stay on the straight and narrow.

GOD BLESS.

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Come on, be brave enough to own up. :?

it was me! dont give in to the liberal communist homosexuals they want to turn you gay and bring you to the west village for their pagan rituals. They hate Jesus and eat babies and dont pay their taxes! Dont believe the liberal biased media, like Fox news, they are just puppets for the Jewish liberal conspiracy to destroy American values and family life.

but seriously, whoever wrote that ahs some seriouse issues with literacy .. I wonder if they could even read the thread :lol:

I've kinda always known...in that I don't feel the need to "know" anything...I guess my sexuality is kinda like my religion.
Just do what seems right- you don't need to make an either-or decision, you don't need to go around telling everyone what you "are" especially if you don't know it. All that matters is that you are happy! :D

i have more info on this, but it gets a little complicated...i will go into more detail if necessary.

No thanks....I'm already rather confused with that post. :? :lol:

it made good sense to me
i was gonna say "people are nasty"

she said kissing leads to fornificationRun, run a mile.

Of course kissing leads to fornication, otherwise whats the point??? :lol:

you are young yet,
concentrate on yourself and becoming the best person you can be.
dont worry that you have only dated psycho girls, your taste and opportunities will get better over time

let sexuality of any kind wait until you are older. sex is great at the right time but it can rip your heart out if you arent ready.

if you remain open to the possibilities, then one day you will just know and it will be WAY before you are 35. those poor souls find out late because they havent let themselves consider the possibility that they could be gay until their emotions finally boil over. that won't happen to you because you will understand what you are feeling.

and yes, at 15 we are all attracted to all kinds of sexual ideas. that doesnt mean we are gay or perverts or anything, it just means we are human

and that people are nasty

Actually, it sounds like you are having not so much a problem with sexual identity as with relationships. That's OK. There is no laws that say you have to date. Step back take it easy and make some friends. When you are ready for a relationship, hten go for it. But be prepared for a the bad ones. Just about everyone has at least one dating horror story. I didn't get started till my 30's (slow starter).

I would say you have to have a sexuality before you can "know" what it is. Therefore, I dare say you must at least reach puberty before you can choose to be gay. It is a sad state of affairs that our society has become so sexually charged that certain people want to push young children into sexual circumstances which should be none of their business.

Trying to put a set timer on certain events in a person's life or certain points of discovering certain things is well near impossible. Humanity by nature breaks the norm, so trying to set a norm for humanity (other than that) wouldn't be able to happen. Generally though, you shouldn't have to pick preceding puberty.

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I remember quite a few years ago, Quentin Crisp, that brave and self-confessed 'raving queer', gave an interview on the tele. Inevitably, he was asked at one point when he knew he was a homosexual. His answer was illuminating. He said he was about six and a family friend came to his parents house for dinner. At some time he sat on the mans lap and said he suddenly felt an overwhelming desire. Only later did he realise it was passion / lust.
To those who insist, against all the evidence and assurances from gays that we 'choose' our sexuality. I ask this, did you 'choose' to be heterosexual? If so, you must have at some point in your life considered your sexuality and had some doubt. I was born heterosexual and have never felt any desire for a man, and I dislike people telling me it was a 'choice'. It was no more a 'choice' than my face and my body.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS JUST WRONG! IT DOESN'T BENEFIT SOCIETY HOMOSEXUALS DONT MAKE NEW CHILDREN. LOOK AT EUROPE WHERE THERE IS A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF HOMOSEXUALS, THERE NATIVE POPULATIONS ARE ALSO SHRINKING. I HAVE AMAZINGLY BAD LUCK WITH GIRLS SO IT IS DISCORAGING BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN IM GAY. I'VE THOUGHT WOW ORLANDO BLOOM IS HOT BUT THT DOESNT MEAN IM GAY. ITS ALL BASED ON YOUR ENVIROMENT IF A GUY GROWS UP WITH HIS MOM AND NO DAD HE'LL ACT MORE WOMANLY PROBABLY. GUYS WILL SHUN HIM AND HE'LL HANG OUT AND ACT MORE FEMININE. THAT GUY WILL PROBABLY BE GAY. NOTHING A PHYSCOLOGIST CANT HANDLE THOUGH

oh now X youre just being silly

I'VE THOUGHT WOW ORLANDO BLOOM IS HOT BUT THT DOESNT MEAN IM GAY.
I have to admit though, thinking Orlando Bloom is hot does NOT mean you're gay, so he was right on one point. I mean, I think Orlando Bloom is extremely hot- but really, does that make me gay?

heh...I also think his co-worker Kiera Knightley is extremely hot...that might make me a little gay... (or bi, as it were)

HOMOSEXUALITY IS JUST WRONG!

Wrong.

First, and I will state for the record, that Orlando Bloom is NOT hot (case closed LOL).

Second, I think the earliest you could ever truly understand you are homosexual is when you reach puberty. Before that, there may be hints, but to say "I knew I was gay at the age of 8" is stretching the truth. Chance are you didn't know what gay was at the age of 8.

Most people come to the realisation about their sexuality after 13 and begin to understand what their feelings mean.

While many people queery their sexuality (bad pun) that does not mean they are gay or bi. Many are straight, but still it is a confusing time.

I realised when I was 16, but refused to accept it for years.

i also think orlando bloom is hot, that doesnt make me a perv even though im 25 years older than he is

right?

HOMOSEXUALITY IS JUST WRONG! IT DOESN'T BENEFIT SOCIETY HOMOSEXUALS DONT MAKE NEW CHILDREN. LOOK AT EUROPE WHERE THERE IS A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF HOMOSEXUALS, THERE NATIVE POPULATIONS ARE ALSO SHRINKING. In nature... the same thing happens with all different kinds of animals to control the pop. when it gets to high and over crowded.

i also think orlando bloom is hot, that doesnt make me a perv even though im 25 years older than he is

right?
not at all! hey, my mom thinks he's hot too!
ummmm...on-topic
I didn't know what gay was at 8...I probably didn't know til I was about 11. But I always had little crushes on boys, or whatever... (one of my first crushes was on Donatello...you know, the turtle?) And as long as I can remember I thought girls my age were cute like I thought boys my age were cute...although different- because boys and girls look different (well, maybe not that much so in elementary school)
But I didn't "realize" I was bisexual (or whatever-sexual is more like it) until I was like 12, when I learned what it was. Just never realized it was an issue before that

I agree that there's no age restrictions, some people just know sooner, and they're better for it if they know the truth.

i also think orlando bloom is hot, that doesnt make me a perv even though im 25 years older than he is

right?
not at all! hey, my mom thinks he's hot too!
ummmm...on-topic
I didn't know what gay was at 8...I probably didn't know til I was about 11. But I always had little crushes on boys, or whatever... (one of my first crushes was on Donatello...you know, the turtle?) And as long as I can remember I thought girls my age were cute like I thought boys my age were cute...although different- because boys and girls look different (well, maybe not that much so in elementary school)
But I didn't "realize" I was bisexual (or whatever-sexual is more like it) until I was like 12, when I learned what it was. Just never realized it was an issue before that

LOL...I didn't even know what "gay" was until I was almost 16. Some guy at school (who picked on everyone including his friends - he had issues) called me a "fag"...I had no idea what it meant...and assumed it was just some mean word.

Then when he called me it a few times, I asked some of my friends what it meant. One friend said...Oh he thinks you are gay. I was like, "what is gay?" (no I was not dumb, just unaware of these things LOL) Then I had it all explained. I was like "HAHA I am not" and that was that.

Long story short, I spent my senior years checking out cute guys (after a couple of other events occured) and well it progressed from there.

*stares as large-chested girls walk near me...*
*curses friggin homosexual-looking guys that are trying to get laid by them*

*ahem*

I'm pretty damn sure I'm straight.

*stares as large-chested girls walk near me...*
*curses friggin homosexual-looking guys that are trying to get laid by them*

*ahem*

I'm pretty damn sure I'm straight.

The "large-chested girls" walk near you...but sadly not to you.

*stares as large-chested girls walk near me...*
*curses friggin homosexual-looking guys that are trying to get laid by them*

*ahem*

I'm pretty damn sure I'm straight.

The "large-chested girls" walk near you...but sadly not to you.
Yeah...what's up with that? [/eeksdee talk]

20th time this week!

*stares as large-chested girls walk near me...*
*curses friggin homosexual-looking guys that are trying to get laid by them*

*ahem*

I'm pretty damn sure I'm straight.

The "large-chested girls" walk near you...but sadly not to you.
Yeah...what's up with that? [/eeksdee talk]

20th time this week!

LOL...one day I am sure they will notice. Or maybe they are just too shy because they think you will reject them :lol:

it just happens i guess. i first kissed a girl when i was in seventh grade. i guess that was when i was sure that i liked girls. i've had four girlfriends since then. {during 7th-10th grade, i've switched girls three times, but now i have found a real lover, who i have been dating for two years thus far.}
so, i guess that it'll come to you eventually.

it just happens i guess. i first kissed a girl when i was in seventh grade. i guess that was when i was sure that i liked girls. i've had four girlfriends since then. {during 7th-10th grade, i've switched girls three times, but now i have found a real lover, who i have been dating for two years thus far.}
so, i guess that it'll come to you eventually.

it just happens i guess. i first kissed a girl when i was in seventh grade. i guess that was when i was sure that i liked girls. i've had four girlfriends since then. {during 7th-10th grade, i've switched girls three times, but now i have found a real lover, who i have been dating for two years thus far.}
so, i guess that it'll come to you eventually.

sorry. network error made me triple post.

it just happens i guess. i first kissed a girl when i was in seventh grade. i guess that was when i was sure that i liked girls. i've had four girlfriends since then. {during 7th-10th grade, i've switched girls three times, but now i have found a real lover, who i have been dating for two years thus far.}
so, i guess that it'll come to you eventually.

I've been on dates with 8 girls (OK I am NOT a one night stand LOL) but I don't count them as relationships. I never went out with any of them more than once (except for one - we dated for about 3 months - still not a relationship)...she was nice until our friends broke the two of us apart. She turned "goth" anyway. LOL

Did I love her though?...Hard to tell...but I always used to get nervous around her and loved it when she and I held hands for the first time.

it just happens i guess. i first kissed a girl when i was in seventh grade. i guess that was when i was sure that i liked girls. i've had four girlfriends since then. {during 7th-10th grade, i've switched girls three times, but now i have found a real lover, who i have been dating for two years thus far.}
so, i guess that it'll come to you eventually.

I've been on dates with 8 girls (OK I am NOT a one night stand LOL) but I don't count them as relationships. I never went out with any of them more than once (except for one - we dated for about 3 months - still not a relationship)...she was nice until our friends broke the two of us apart. She turned "goth" anyway. LOL

Did I love her though?...Hard to tell...but I always used to get nervous around her and loved it when she and I held hands for the first time.

I didnt realize I was bi til I was in my mid 20's, and even then i fought it tooth and nail til i couldn't call what i felt for my best friend anything else but a crush. Even then i didn't act on those feelings until i was out of my marriage.. *smiles* I have since had a relationship with a woman and it was wonderful, i was with her for 2 years until she passed on, I happen to be engaged to a guy now. I think of myself more attracted to a person then their gender... and i can't see how that could be wrong... :)

I'd say you should have settled on something emotionally by the time you're in your mid-twenties. By then you should be able to make an informed decision about it. Anything younger than that is simply the process of making up your mind.

And for the record, I don't think anyone younger than 18 can be said to make up their mind about anything. Ask them what they want to do when they grow up, and I bet they waffle a bit. Even if they don't, life can still throw them some strange curve balls. I don't think it's a time of life when they can reliably make any decisions they'll be able to stick with.

dont worry, katholik kingdom. You got plenty of time.

I may be infamous on NS for spamming all these threads with hot girls, but the thing is, there really arent such girls in real life. The ones i put up fit into a category of hot girls that I WISH i had, but i CANT have, so heres to better luck for u.

Anyway, what i do want to say is that I think ur strait, and all the better. I have no problem with gays, but i think that a few bad experiences arent enough to turn u gay. I mean, I didnt turna ny of my former girlfriends gay, eventho i was probably a horrible boyfriend.

Ur gonna be missing out a lot if u turn gay. My advice to u is just stay with girls, try to find a really pretty one and a really nice one (ideal girl) and be nice to them, u kno. Juss treat them good, try to find redeeming qualities in them besides their hot bodies, and if destiny beckons, then go out with them.

Thats all. I mean, i dont mean to lecture, but I honestly think u should give romance, or heterosexual romance, some more chances before u try the other side.

That one guy who said that If a guy lived without a dad would probably be gay... :roll:

I don't live with my dad :(

And I am seeing a psychologist :shock:

Oh well.... I've got lots of support :D

And I love Emoticons :P

And I am seeing a psychologist :shock:

Why...because you are gay?

...<sprinkles glitter all over TKK> :lol:

My, my, I am being rather stereotypical!

The Katholik Kingdom:

My advise-Look at some porn. All different kinds of porn. See what you get aroused by. If you get aroused by the women, you are straight. If you get aroused by the men, you are gay. If you get aroused by the dogs,well... :?

I know fifth graders who say they're lesbian, and thirty year olds who honestly say they don't know. I have to say I'm not sure about mine. I've had girlfriends (4), no boyfriends(0), but I'm open to other ideas. The farthest I've "gone" with a girl is holding hands, with a guy is... nothing much. So I'm pretty sure I'm straight, though I probably sound like I have repressed tendencies :) . How old do you have to be to know, if ever?

I don't believe there's a need to choose at all. Our preferences, like many other aspects of our personality can evolve. Strapping yourslef to either the 'gay' or 'straight' flagpole is denying yourself the right to evolve.

I have had homosexual and heterosexual experiences in my youth. I never believed in labels, so I refused to label myself either gay or bisexual. Now, I'm happily married in a heterosexual relationship, and I love my wife more than any other. I'd never cheat on her. So I'm pretty much heterosexual by choice now. I still see no reason to label myself. Nor does she. We have discussed our sexual pasts and preferences on many occasions.

The Katholik Kingdom:

My advise-Look at some porn. All different kinds of porn. See what you get aroused by. If you get aroused by the women, you are straight. If you get aroused by the men, you are gay. If you get aroused by the dogs,well... :?

Well, i was aroused by girls even before i first looked at porn. all it took was the front cover of sports illustrated. :D {around ten years, they used to have hot women on their front cover instead of athletes for their 'special' editions} still, i dont think that looking at porn would be good enough to make a decision. i think that he should wait untill he has an actual experience to tell.