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A Plan was given to Mandela by the Kremlin (Russia) which would go into action when Mandela isnt there anymore. The plan is known under different names in different provinces - OPERATION WHITE CLEAN-UP, OPERATION UHURU, NIGHT OF THE LONG KNIVES, OPERATION IRON EAGLE and a few others.

The plan involved that foreign blacks from Africa, for whom De Klerk opened the ports to the New South Africa, had to settle in and around the major towns and cities in SA. This will enable them to execute operation Uhuru without the least trouble. They only had to wait for the sign. And what was the sign?

Already in 1997, almost every black in SA knew that the death of their beloved Madiba would be the trigger. On their Seêr van Rensburg toer through the country in 2001, writer Adriaan Snyman and Chris Botha got confirmation of this plan from at least 6 places. This confirmed the planned night attack on Johannesburg on the day which Mandela will be buried.

Plenty of small towns have been targeted as well. Promenent figures at Universities also know about this plan. The attack (codename Operation Iron Eagle) is under authority of the army. It seems that many extreme blacks are already becoming anxious as Mandela wouldnt die, because a short time ago, a faction in JHB was about to launch a fullscale attacks on whites and had to be stopped urgently.

The only way was to call in the help of the taxi drivers. They wrote on the back of the vehicles, "WAIT! NOT YET UHURU!". It is estimated that minibus taxis can carry about 70 000 armed blacks from the townships to JHB central in an hour. Large amounts of AK 47's, ammo, handgranades and even petrol bombs are taken to KwaNonqba near Mosselbay in secret.

It also happens in towns in all 9 provinces. When a white police officer from the Boland confronted a black colleague about this and he said that he knew about the plans of the White Cleanup, the black police officer laughed and said "We dont care that you know. In fact, we dont care that all the whites know because you will do nothing to stop it." The white police officer didnt know what to say, he was stunned to realize that this was in fact true.

Behind the scenes, the blacks , in co-operation with the Americans and the British are working on Uhuru and Iron Eagle. They will use Mandela's death to sow anarchy.

A senior ANC advisor, Mzukisi Gaba, told a police officer that arrested him for drunk driving when he drove on the wrong side of the N1 highway to the Cape, "The day Mandela dies, we will kill you whites like flies."

This article was printed in the Cape Argus of 1996. Actually the murders on the whites, especially the Afrikaners, has already begun. The official news letter of the Herstigte Nasionale Party read as follows (translated) "Farm muders escalate under Afrikaners" and that during 1991 -2002 a total of 1287 farmers were killed in these farm attacks.

"The war of the flea" of an undeclared war is being fought against them. Mandela is currently being treated for prostate cancer and thus does not have long to live anymore. At the moment there is the socalled weapons bill that will be imposed shortly in order to disarm the whites in order to make it easier to carry out Operation White cleanup when the whites cannot defend themselves any longer. We have indeed bigger problems than we realize!









http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37010


While former South African President Nelson Mandela, 85, scoffs at rumors of ill health, plans are being made by the nation's Communist Party to slaughter all whites in the country upon his death, G2B sources say.

One of the operations planned entails 70,000 armed black men "being transported to the Johannesburg city center within an hour" in taxicabs to attack whites.

The plans are variously dubbed "Operation Vula," "Night of the Long Knives," "Operation White Clean-up," "Operation Iron Eagle" and "Red October campaign."

Operation "Our Rainy Day" was to be carried out after the death of Nelson Mandela and would have entailed blacks being transported to the largest cities in taxis.

The assailants were expected to "take over" fuel points and massacre whites. The attacks would lead to a coup.

Sources say most blacks in the country are aware of the plans. When racial disputes occur, blacks often tell whites, "Wait until Mandela dies.”

"White people in South Africa can deny it to the end of the earth, but we are in real danger," one resident said. "This is no joke and any person with half a brain can see that this rumor has spiraled out of control."

Many whites are now convinced a vicious campaign of ethnic cleansing will follow Mandela's death whenever it comes. Some are making preparations for retreats.

"I have prepared myself and we have a gathering place where we can fortify for four weeks after Mandela’s death," said one white South African. "If nothing happens it will be a miracle."

The Red October campaign is allegedly a Communist plot to oust President Thabo Mbeki. Mbeki would be replaced by Cyril Ramaphosa.

"I was starting to think I was going nuts!" said another white South Africa resident. "'Operation Uhuru' or 'Operation White Clean-up' is definitely no rumor. I spoke to someone who told me that some blacks in Zimbabwe have also confirmed that this 'event' will take place. My cousin stays on a farm in Mpumalanga, not too far from Johannesburg. A black police officer in that district told his white colleague that they are going to kill us like flies, and there is nothing we can do about it. And that they also don't care if we know."

Meanwhile, Mandela, obviously aware of the growing rumors, last week assured the public he is well.

"My health is all right," he told reporters in Cape Town. "I'm doing very well. Others have gone further and said I am on the eve of going to my grave. If that day comes, I will go and knock at the door of heaven. ... They will look at the list and say: 'Your name is not here ... can you try next door?'"

Concern about Mandela's health surfaced last month when he canceled a scheduled meeting with visiting German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. The former president was at the time relaxing on the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius.

Mandela joked that when his time comes, "I will look for a branch of the ANC (the ruling African National Congress) in that world (and) I'll join it."

See, those blacks are smart. You gotta fight the minorities (cause in South Africa it's all whacked out and whites are the dangerous minority group.) South Africa has a lot of problems with minorities. Did you know that for almost 100 years, they let minorities rule the country? I mean, that's downright crazy! Good thing that crazy stuff like that only goes down in foreign countries, huh?

See, those blacks are smart. You gotta fight the minorities (cause in South Africa it's all whacked out and whites are the dangerous minority group.) South Africa has a lot of problems with minorities. Did you know that for almost 100 years, they let minorities rule the country? I mean, that's downright crazy! Good thing that crazy stuff like that only goes down in foreign countries, huh?


What is the USA doing today? We let minorities rule us. A black man yells and politicians bend over backwards to accomodate him.

Yes I know for over 100 years South Africa had apartheid, and I also know what their crime rates were during Apartheid (lowest crime in the world) and after apartheid ended (most dangerous nation in the world today. Beating even Colombia).

I find it odd how whenever whites are the majority they are told "Protect minority rights". When whites are the minority as in South Africa and Zimbabwe, they're told, "We cannot allow a small minority to interfere with the majority."

See, those blacks are smart.


How are they smart? They're going to do what Robert Mugabe did to zimbabwe, kill off / chase off the white farmers, and then starve en masse.

Already Zimbabwe seized basically all 3,000 white owned commercial farms, their agricultural output is down about 90% in all sectors. They have about 7-8 million people in danger of starving.

South Africa since the farm attacks began in 1990 has seen an exodus of over 60,000 white farmers, currently 40,000 remain. They are producing 1 million hectares less of major staple foods now. 1,600 out of 40,000 white farmers killed in 10 years, 20,000 have been assaulted or had their families raped.

See, those blacks are smart. You gotta fight the minorities (cause in South Africa it's all whacked out and whites are the dangerous minority group.) South Africa has a lot of problems with minorities. Did you know that for almost 100 years, they let minorities rule the country? I mean, that's downright crazy! Good thing that crazy stuff like that only goes down in foreign countries, huh?


Yes I know for over 100 years South Africa had apartheid, and I also know what their crime rates were during Apartheid (lowest crime in the world) and after apartheid ended (most dangerous nation in the world today. Beating even Colombia).


Because crimes against blacks weren't considered crimes.

http://www.rense.com/general47/stunningsuccessofwhite.htm


Stunning Success Of
White Farmers In Zambia
From Jan Lamprecht
AfricanCrisis.org
1-7-4

Note - Finally, a success story in Africa - one that boggles the mind, and as usual, for Africa, it comes from whites. This story demonstrates the tremendous knowledge and skills which white commercial farmers have over the black peasant farmers. Take note in this story that 100 white farmers, starting from scratch, in Zambia, produced 70% of Zambia's maize crop in one year. They outperformed, 150,000 black peasants. These farmers are now going to farm with tobacco as well - which will bring in stacks of money. I wish them well, and hope the Zambian government stands by its promises. This should show, clearly, what sort of skills whites in Africa possess, and it demonstrates in a small microcosm, how whites originally built up Africa because of their knowledge and skills and how crucial they are. It did NOT require the UN, it did not require BILLIONS of US Dollars, all it took were 100 skilled families, bringing their knowledge and capital, and look at what they carved out in a single year. But can blacks deal with the success of whites? Or will jealousy always remain the main driving thought in their minds? Let's see.
Jan

News24.com
1-7-4

LUSAKA, Zambia - Exiled white Zimbabwean farmers have helped neighbouring Zambia break a crippling food shortage that saw millions rely on food aid last season.

The roughly 100 Zimbabwean exile families have settled in central Zambia's fertile maize-growing district of Mkushi, where even critics concede they have revolutionised commercial agriculture by introducing hi-tech commercial farming techniques through partnerships with local landowners.

They have been so successful that Zambia's Investment Centre (ZIC) has just issued certificates to 31 Zimbabweans authorising them to begin commercial farming in their own name and on their own newly acquired land, while Zambia's national government intends luring even more disillusioned Zimbabwean farmers across the border - regardless of possible discomfort in relations between Lusaka and Harare.

Saw them as the enemy

"People initially saw them as the enemy, seeking refuge in Zambia. Because they were white, people were also scared that the history of racism would resurface. Even people in government thought there should be solidarity (with Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe), and we should refuse them (entry)," says Zambian deputy agriculture minister Chance Kabaghe.

"But we saw them as potential investors who could improve our food security.

"We have now been vindicated."

Forced off their farms

The exiles fled to Zambia after being forced off their properties in Zimbabwe during the fast-track land reform programme that began in 2000. The Zimbabweans currently either rent land for farming from the locals, or go into partnership with owners who do not have the capacity to till huge tracts of land.

"It's farming that we know and do best. So we just want to see where the land lies, before we apply for permits and licenses and buy land," explains one of the migrants, Jimmy Stewart.

The official support for the Zimbabweans forms part of a wider multi-pronged strategy to revive Zambia's agricultural sector, which is still reeling from the effects of two successive droughts, with a shortfall of 635 000 tons of grain last year.

As a result, food prices rocketed and 2.9 million people were in need of assistance.

"This season we were determined to prioritise agriculture with timely input distribution," says agriculture minister Mundia Sikatana.

The government continues to support more than 150 000 local farmers with subsidised maize seed and fertiliser. It has also specified that commercial farmers, both local and foreign, put at least 10% of their acreage into maize production to ensure Zambia doesn't suffer another grain shortage.

There is no official figure indicating exactly how much maize Zimbabwean farmers produced last year, but some reports indicate that they grew over 70% of Zambia's 2003 maize crop.

ZIC notes in its end-of-year report that all the Zimbabwean farmers awarded licenses had also started producing tobacco and wheat. "They have what it takes to undertake various farming enterprises and we would like more farmers of the calibre of Zimbabwean farmers to invest in agriculture," the investment body said.

While acknowledging the farming prowess of the Zimbabweans, local farmers complain they had an unfair advantage.

'I am happy, but...'

"I do not want to sound petulant - I am happy that we have a bumper harvest and do not need food aid. But I feel a little peeved because we (local) farmers have been made to look incompetent. There are reasons the Zimbabweans had such a good crop," says Zambian farmer Thrifty Stephenson.

Zimbabwean farmers had collateral for loans from local and international financial institutions, Stephenson points out, while some also brought equipment and machinery with them. This gave them a "leg up" when they arrived in Zambia.

Well-heeled business people

"We are not talking refugees here. We are talking well-heeled business people," stresses Stephenson.

The Standard Chartered Bank of Zambia, for example, gave loans to more than 20 Zimbabwean farmers who had settled in Zambia, to acquire existing farms or buy land. The bank's executive director of finance, Brighton Ngoma, says his institution had set up an agricultural unit to help boost the sector. The money being lent out was from the European Investment Bank and from Standard Chartered itself.

Local farmers were also supposed to have benefited from the funds, but discussions about this matter are still underway with the Zambia National Farmers Union.

Reduce inflation "It's not that we do not have confidence in the local farmers. We need to make sure that we protect our investment and also attain our objective to increase agricultural production. Already we are seeing the benefits of our lending to Zimbabwean farmers, because the good harvest has helped reduce inflation as well as stabilise the foreign exchange," said Ngoma.

Zambian President Levy Mwanawasa recently announced that government would revitalise farming through agricultural financing, tax exemptions for imported equipment and low power tariffs. The government also wants to revive co-operative banks that lend money to farmers at favourable rates, and national marketing boards to buy their crops.

Stewart, who has a farm leased from a local resident, is reluctant to criticise existing agricultural policies. But he agreed that it was difficult to make commercial farming viable in Zambia. He cited high electricity tariffs, duties on equipment and the lack of a good lending and marketing policy.

"Basically we came equipped with our own money, some equipment and good relations with international banks and donors. So we are not affected by those problems."

Abundant land and water

On the positive side, says Stewart, there is a steady and reliable supply of manual labour, abundant land and water resources. Almost half of Zambian land is suitable for various types of crops.

Government appears to be keeping an eye on the Zimbabweans.

"Minister Sikatana visited us here, I think, just to make sure we were doing what we said we would do, and was quite happy with our output. So for the time being, things are looking good," Stewart says.

Kabaghe is confident that more Zimbabwean farmers will come when they realise Zambia welcomes investors, and that it does not have the land-ownership problems that have beset other countries in the region.

Meanwhile Zimbabwe is experiencing a debilitating food shortage for the second year running - something that analysts have ascribed to drought, and the drop in food production caused by the land distribution programme. More than half the country's population will require emergency food aid this year, according to the World Food Programme. - Inter Press Service

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-259_1466499,00.html

See, those blacks are smart. You gotta fight the minorities (cause in South Africa it's all whacked out and whites are the dangerous minority group.) South Africa has a lot of problems with minorities. Did you know that for almost 100 years, they let minorities rule the country? I mean, that's downright crazy! Good thing that crazy stuff like that only goes down in foreign countries, huh?


What is the USA doing today? We let minorities rule us. A black man yells and politicians bend over backwards to accomodate him.

Yes I know for over 100 years South Africa had apartheid, and I also know what their crime rates were during Apartheid (lowest crime in the world) and after apartheid ended (most dangerous nation in the world today. Beating even Colombia).

I find it odd how whenever whites are the majority they are told "Protect minority rights". When whites are the minority as in South Africa and Zimbabwe, they're told, "We cannot allow a small minority to interfere with the majority."

Check your figures on that. Once the blacks got rid of apartheid, all of those brutal, minority cops stopped being able to abduct people. We've gotta learn our lessons from the blacks. Keep the minorities down, or they'll come after ya.

Because crimes against blacks weren't considered crimes.

Judging from your name "Pimp" I can only imagine you are a PC zombie and therefore don't realize what Apartheid really was about.

Because crimes against blacks weren't considered crimes.

Judging from your name "Pimp" I can only imagine you are a PC zombie and therefore don't realize what Apartheid really was about.


errr not quite. This was a name I picked up about 5 years ago that I've used a bit on the net. I don't really like it either but I haven't really come up with a suitable replacement so I've stuck with it.

Considering that you fell back on attacking my name (you're the 3rd person to do this on NS, the other 2 both thought that anybody who wasn't white should be shot into the sun) I would be VERY interested to hear what you think Apartheid was really about. I might have trouble hearing you from the bottom of the hole you'll have dug though..

Because crimes against blacks weren't considered crimes.

Judging from your name "Pimp" I can only imagine you are a PC zombie and therefore don't realize what Apartheid really was about.


errr not quite. This was a name I picked up about 5 years ago that I've used a bit on the net. I don't really like it either but I haven't really come up with a suitable replacement so I've stuck with it.

Considering that you fell back on attacking my name (you're the 3rd person to do this on NS, the other 2 both thought that anybody who wasn't white should be shot into the sun) I would be VERY interested to hear what you think Apartheid was really about. I might have trouble hearing you from the bottom of the hole you'll have dug though..


Prime Minister H.F. Verwoerd, the architect of Apartheid (Who ultimately died for the cause) He set up Apartheid for primarily three reasons.

1) God willed it
2) Protect whites from black crime
3) Allow blacks to preserve their own culture and heritage in the face of growing urbanization and modernization.

I don't really care to go into detail because I'm not in the preaching mood tonight.

No such plan excists, the very notion is insane and offencive. Not only are you sources questionable at best, the informationt yhey base their theories upon is conjecture.

The information, and I use the term losely here, upon which this is based can at best be described as unreliable and at worst blatently false. This is the kind of nonense only those who believe in "The comming Race Wars" and other rot would subscribe to.

No such plan excists, the very notion is insane and offencive. Not only are you sources questionable at best, the informationt yhey base their theories upon is conjecture.

The information, and I use the term losely here, upon which this is based can at best be described as unreliable and at worst blatently false. This is the kind of nonense only those who believe in "The comming Race Wars" and other rot would subscribe to.

Why did hundreds of taxis have "WAIT! NOT YET UHURU!" written on them.

Because crimes against blacks weren't considered crimes.

Judging from your name "Pimp" I can only imagine you are a PC zombie and therefore don't realize what Apartheid really was about.


errr not quite. This was a name I picked up about 5 years ago that I've used a bit on the net. I don't really like it either but I haven't really come up with a suitable replacement so I've stuck with it.

Considering that you fell back on attacking my name (you're the 3rd person to do this on NS, the other 2 both thought that anybody who wasn't white should be shot into the sun) I would be VERY interested to hear what you think Apartheid was really about. I might have trouble hearing you from the bottom of the hole you'll have dug though..
Down his hole with his hands clamped over his ears shouting la la la , I don't think he heard you.
Racism is wrong, here there, anywhere. To take land or rights from people based on the colour of thier skin (in the modern world) is wrong. (History has happend and wrong or right nothing can be done about it, but we should learn from it. I make no appologies for what my country did in the past, they did not have the benefit of our education or view of the world and to paraphrase Abe :I'm less concered about who my grandfather was (or what he did) that I am about who my grandson will be (and do).

Prime Minister H.F. Verwoerd, the architect of Apartheid (Who ultimately died for the cause) He set up Apartheid for primarily three reasons.

1) God willed it
2) Protect whites from black crime
3) Allow blacks to preserve their own culture and heritage in the face of growing urbanization and modernization.

I don't really care to go into detail because I'm not in the preaching mood tonight.FWS, I will not have the name of my God slandered by association with the disgusting practice of Apartied. The murder of innocent people, torture and systematic abuse is not the will of God, at least no God I know.

The concept of crime is one naturally foreign to the Xhosa and Zulu tribes who believed in harmony and communal care. It had to be introduced to the African by the Afrikaaners first. Secondly, Aparthied did nothing to stem crime, all it did was create poverty and suppress freedom.

The heritage of Africans is their nation, their country and they hold every right to choos their own detiny.

Just don't feed the troll. A forum post or two isn't going to dislodge his head from his anatomy.

Prime Minister H.F. Verwoerd, the architect of Apartheid (Who ultimately died for the cause) He set up Apartheid for primarily three reasons.

1) God willed it
2) Protect whites from black crime
3) Allow blacks to preserve their own culture and heritage in the face of growing urbanization and modernization.

I don't really care to go into detail because I'm not in the preaching mood tonight.FWS, I will not have the name of my God slandered by association with the disgusting practice of Apartied. The murder of innocent people, torture and systematic abuse is not the will of God, at least no God I know.

The concept of crime is one naturally foreign to the Xhosa and Zulu tribes who believed in harmony and communal care. It had to be introduced to the African by the Afrikaaners first. Secondly, Aparthied did nothing to stem crime, all it did was create poverty and suppress freedom.

The heritage of Africans is their nation, their country and they hold every right to choos their own detiny.

FWS was IP banned. I am not him, but yes I did post this after I spoke with him via MSN and he suggested it.

Prime Minister H.F. Verwoerd, the architect of Apartheid (Who ultimately died for the cause) He set up Apartheid for primarily three reasons.

1) God willed it
2) Protect whites from black crime
3) Allow blacks to preserve their own culture and heritage in the face of growing urbanization and modernization.

I don't really care to go into detail because I'm not in the preaching mood tonight.FWS, I will not have the name of my God slandered by association with the disgusting practice of Apartied. The murder of innocent people, torture and systematic abuse is not the will of God, at least no God I know.

The concept of crime is one naturally foreign to the Xhosa and Zulu tribes who believed in harmony and communal care. It had to be introduced to the African by the Afrikaaners first. Secondly, Aparthied did nothing to stem crime, all it did was create poverty and suppress freedom.

The heritage of Africans is their nation, their country and they hold every right to choos their own detiny.

FWS was IP banned. I am not him, but yes I did post this after I spoke with him via MSN and he suggested it.Hence why you are spouting him almost word-for-word. How weakminded can you be to accept this without even investigating it for yourself?

I also noticed you neglected to address any of my points...

Prime Minister H.F. Verwoerd, the architect of Apartheid (Who ultimately died for the cause) He set up Apartheid for primarily three reasons.

1) God willed it
2) Protect whites from black crime
3) Allow blacks to preserve their own culture and heritage in the face of growing urbanization and modernization.

I don't really care to go into detail because I'm not in the preaching mood tonight.FWS, I will not have the name of my God slandered by association with the disgusting practice of Apartied. The murder of innocent people, torture and systematic abuse is not the will of God, at least no God I know.

The concept of crime is one naturally foreign to the Xhosa and Zulu tribes who believed in harmony and communal care. It had to be introduced to the African by the Afrikaaners first. Secondly, Aparthied did nothing to stem crime, all it did was create poverty and suppress freedom.

The heritage of Africans is their nation, their country and they hold every right to choos their own detiny.

FWS was IP banned. I am not him, but yes I did post this after I spoke with him via MSN and he suggested it.Hence why you are spouting him almost word-for-word. How weakminded can you be to accept this without even investigating it for yourself?


Hey he did me a great favor by sending me his FWS Defense Corporation store wordfile so I could modify it slightly and make it my own. I owed him one.

This thread is so much more entertaining when FluffyCat and Right Wing Fantasy get into their "I'm more deluded than you" contest--I say let them have it all to themselves. :lol:

The concept of crime is one naturally foreign to the Xhosa and Zulu tribes who believed in harmony and communal care. It had to be introduced to the African by the Afrikaaners first. Secondly, Aparthied did nothing to stem crime, all it did was create poverty and suppress freedom.

The heritage of Africans is their nation, their country and they hold every right to choos their own detiny.

Here is proof Zulu and Xhosa don't commit crime.
Oh wait. Could it be pictures of their victims? The genocide you'll never hear about on CNN.
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http://www.afrikanercharity.org/2/

INTRODUCTION TO THE FARM ATTACKS

“KILL THE FARMER, KILL THE BOER!”

“ONE SETTLER - ONE BULLET!”

These chilling slogans echo across South Africa, until recently led by the now deceased Peter Mokaba!

And the bell continues to toll for the besieged Boer farmers of South Africa. Every week farmers are being brutally murdered on their farms. This is nothing less than a low scale civil war being waged, which nobody wants to talk about.

The agricultural community of South Africa has been plunged into an abyss of fear, insecurity and a growing rage against this government who is failing dismally in their task to protect its citizens, and in particular the Boer farmers.

The Boer farmers are among the most threatened group of people in the world today. According to a warning issued by the international organization ‘Genocide Watch’ the Boer farmers in South Africa are facing genocide:

"GENOCIDE WATCH" warns of genocide threat to Boer-farmers in South Africa


Jan 22 2003 -- The international human rights group Genocide Watch -- the coordinator for the International Campaign to End Genocide -- and based in the US and The Hague, has issued a detailed report which warns of the potential genocide threat to the Boer-farmer minority in South Africa.

The organization, noting that the ANC-slogan "Kill the Boer, kill the Farmer" was publicly condemned by President Mbeki in 2002, also called on the SA government to do more to prevent a full-scale genocide, by also, "resolutely and vocally opposing all those who advocate hatred; and to bring to justice those who have committed these murders." <http://www.genocidewatch.org/BoersSlain01.htm>
SA president's denouncement of "kill the Boer, kill the Farmer" chanting <http://www.iafrica.com/news/sa/983566.htm>

Genocide Watch warns:
"The threat of destruction of a group must not be ignored because its numbers are small or its members disfavoured because they have acted in discriminatory ways in the past.

"A critical factor in this analysis is the total remaining number of Boer farmers. The total number of ethno-European farmers in South Africa has been estimated at approximately 40,000 to 45,000. The majority of ethno-European farmers are Boers.
In world context, this may seem to be a small number of people. But such absolute numbers are biased against recognition of threats to the survival of minorities.
The smaller the minority the more severe this bias.
It may indeed be possible to exterminate a specific group over an extended period of time while the absolute number killed each year decreases, paradoxically creating a false impression of a diminishing annihilation - decreasing in annual numbers but resulting in undetected genocide..."
Genocide Watch thoroughly analysed the available South African farm attack statistics, noted the fact that the SA government had placed a publication moratorium on such statistics, researched and placed on their website the great many other sources they had consulted on this subject -- and then concluded that this genocide threat to the Boer farmers of South Africa had already reached an advanced stage, namely the fifth- of an eight-stage process, and that the stage of "polarization" had probably already been reached. This stage is described as:

"Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center."

Genocide Watch recommends that the SA government could still prevent a full-scale genocide against the country's Boer-farmer minority, by urgently taking the following steps:

Provide security protection to moderate leaders (of the at-risk group);
that assistance be given to the human rights groups (of the at-risk of genocide group);
that assets of any extremists advocating such genocide (against the at-risk group) should be seized;
and that these extremists' advocating such genocide, have their visas for international travel denied:
That the SA government take stronger measures to have all these murderers to justice;
see "Eight Stages of Genocide:
<http://www.genocidewatch.org/8stages.htm>


Full report on genocide danger to Boer-farmers:
<http://www.genocidewatch.org/BoersSlain01.htm>
The families of the victims of these vicious attacks are often traumatized for a long time. Often there are children who are orphaned due to one or both of their parents being killed by the attackers. Many times the untimely deaths bring great hardship to the families, and the cost of the funerals and the possibility of taking in orphans put a severe financial strain on them.

Counseling for the family members as well as friends and members of the surrounding farming communities, is often essential, but due to the costs, is often not dealt with. Those concerned are therefore left to deal with their grief as best they can.

Hey he did me a great favor by sending me his FWS Defense Corporation store wordfile so I could modify it slightly and make it my own. I owed him one.So becuase he gave you a storefront you would sacrifice your integrity and spout not only offencive but unture propaganda? What little respect I could hold for you has faded.

This thread is so much more entertaining when FluffyCat and Right Wing Fantasy get into their "I'm more deluded than you" contest--I say let them have it all to themselves. :lol:

RWF could be a really funny gimmick if they play it right..

The heritage of Africans is their nation, their country and they hold every right to choos their own detiny.


Well I am in a yahoo chat with somebody (Won't say who) so I have to keep hopping back and forth, but what I have been told to say is

"The whites made it to Kapstaad in 1652 and never even encountered a kaffir until about 100 years later when they moved further into the interior of South Africa."

Note that I am not sure what Kapstaad or kaffir means, but that is what I was told to say.

Hey he did me a great favor by sending me his FWS Defense Corporation store wordfile so I could modify it slightly and make it my own. I owed him one.So becuase he gave you a storefront you would sacrifice your integrity and spout not only offencive but unture propaganda? What little respect I could hold for you has faded.

When you're friends with somebody you do them favors, when they take you shooting and such, you owe them a few favors in return.

Note, I only live about 4 miles from FWS.

The heritage of Africans is their nation, their country and they hold every right to choos their own detiny.


Well I am in a yahoo chat with somebody (Won't say who) so I have to keep hopping back and forth, but what I have been told to say is

"The whites made it to Kapstaad in 1652 and never even encountered a kaffir until about 100 years later when they moved further into the interior of South Africa."

Note that I am not sure what Kapstaad or kaffir means, but that is what I was told to say.

'Kaffir' is essentially the south african equivilent of the word '******'.

The heritage of Africans is their nation, their country and they hold every right to choos their own detiny.


Well I am in a yahoo chat with somebody (Won't say who) so I have to keep hopping back and forth, but what I have been told to say is

"The whites made it to Kapstaad in 1652 and never even encountered a kaffir until about 100 years later when they moved further into the interior of South Africa."

Note that I am not sure what Kapstaad or kaffir means, but that is what I was told to say.
The fact that they never encountered anyone from a group of nomadic peoples who lived in small groups in vast areas of land demonstrates nothing. The fact that the west overpopulates it self and crams people together does not make that right, just what we do.

The heritage of Africans is their nation, their country and they hold every right to choos their own detiny.


Well I am in a yahoo chat with somebody (Won't say who) so I have to keep hopping back and forth, but what I have been told to say is

"The whites made it to Kapstaad in 1652 and never even encountered a kaffir until about 100 years later when they moved further into the interior of South Africa."

Note that I am not sure what Kapstaad or kaffir means, but that is what I was told to say.

'Kaffir' is essentially the south african equivilent of the word '******'.

Well what is Kapstaad, he didn't tell me what either meant, he just said, "Here paste this in there."

Fluffy Cat, you seem like a compassionate conservative brother, so here's a word of advice: lay off the facts and quotations. These tricky liberals will just try to shoot holes in them. Blanket statements and generalizations allow the argument to move forward constructively into name calling and wild accusations.

Fluffy Cat, you seem like a compassionate conservative brother, so here's a word of advice: lay off the facts and quotations. These tricky liberals will just try to shoot holes in them. Blanket statements and generalizations allow the argument to move forward constructively into name calling and wild accusations.

Not compassionate to everyone though :)

Fluffy Cat, you seem like a compassionate conservative brother, so here's a word of advice: lay off the facts and quotations. These tricky liberals will just try to shoot holes in them. Blanket statements and generalizations allow the argument to move forward constructively into name calling and wild accusations.Now that's funny.

The heritage of Africans is their nation, their country and they hold every right to choos their own detiny.


Well I am in a yahoo chat with somebody (Won't say who) so I have to keep hopping back and forth, but what I have been told to say is

"The whites made it to Kapstaad in 1652 and never even encountered a kaffir until about 100 years later when they moved further into the interior of South Africa."

Note that I am not sure what Kapstaad or kaffir means, but that is what I was told to say.Kaffir means ******. Kapstaad is Cape Town And the Afrikaners made contact with African natives almost fromt he begining.

The heritage of Africans is their nation, their country and they hold every right to choos their own detiny.


Well I am in a yahoo chat with somebody (Won't say who) so I have to keep hopping back and forth, but what I have been told to say is

"The whites made it to Kapstaad in 1652 and never even encountered a kaffir until about 100 years later when they moved further into the interior of South Africa."

Note that I am not sure what Kapstaad or kaffir means, but that is what I was told to say.

'Kaffir' is essentially the south african equivilent of the word '******'.

Well what is Kapstaad, he didn't tell me what either meant, he just said, "Here paste this in there."

I think, Kapstaad is the Afrikaaner name for Cape Town, although don't hold me to that. Its the place where Europeans first landed in South Africa anyhow. All of South Africa was taught that despite Africans having lived in Africa for hundreds of thousands of years, they still only made it to the cape at about the same time europeans did. Who ever told you '100 years' is exagerating even more than the people running apartheid did.

Fluffy Cat, you seem like a compassionate conservative brother, so here's a word of advice: lay off the facts and quotations. These tricky liberals will just try to shoot holes in them. Blanket statements and generalizations allow the argument to move forward constructively into name calling and wild accusations.
As a rpofesional fence sitter you make my job so much harder with statements like this. I chickled so much I fell off the fence.
The use of FACTs would be a first! I think you refer to what both sides do, which is preent figures and information selected from the bigger pot and edited to flovour the stew the way you want it. Nothing wrong with that, but do it and some one is going to shoot you down in flames.
Try to present the full fact then your interpritation of it.
(forgive the spelling).

I was told to post

"The boer people have suffered probably more than any other people in the history of the world. There were the endless wars they had to endure,
The First Kaffir War. The Second Kaffir War. The Third Kaffir War. The Fourth Kaffir War. The Fifth Kaffir War. The Sixth Kaffir War. The Seventh Kaffir War. The Eighth Kaffir War. The Ninth Kaffir War. The First Matabele War. The Zulu War. The Boer War. The Basuto Wars. The Transvaal War.
In the Boer war the "Noble English" put the Boers into concentration camps and killed almost 30,000 of them. The Boer spirit cannot be crushed however and ultimately as Seer Rensburg foretold, there will be a great war in South Africa and the Boer will reclaim what is rightfully his. Yahweh spoke to Rensburg and Rensburg wrote it all down for us to have today, we know the war is coming. All I shall say is prepare."

Libertovania will miss you fluffy. :shock:

I was told to post

"The boer people have suffered probably more than any other people in the history of the world. There were the endless wars they had to endure,
The First Kaffir War. The Second Kaffir War. The Third Kaffir War. The Fourth Kaffir War. The Fifth Kaffir War. The Sixth Kaffir War. The Seventh Kaffir War. The Eighth Kaffir War. The Ninth Kaffir War. The First Matabele War. The Zulu War. The Boer War. The Basuto Wars. The Transvaal War.
In the Boer war the "Noble English" put the Boers into concentration camps and killed almost 30,000 of them. The Boer spirit cannot be crushed however and ultimately as Seer Rensburg foretold, there will be a great war in South Africa and the Boer will reclaim what is rightfully his. Yahweh spoke to Rensburg and Rensburg wrote it all down for us to have today, we know the war is coming. All I shall say is prepare."How dare you continue to post a word more offensive the ******, if you conintue I will report this to the Moderators. As for the Boers suffering, the Jews have suffered far worse. As for their wars, if they stayed in Holland and had not tried to conquore the land of others they never would have had to fight.

Side Note: So much for a God-ordained master race, they NEVER secured a victory over the Xhosa tribe and subtued them only after a treaty was forged.

I was told to post

"The boer people have suffered probably more than any other people in the history of the world. There were the endless wars they had to endure,
The First Kaffir War. The Second Kaffir War. The Third Kaffir War. The Fourth Kaffir War. The Fifth Kaffir War. The Sixth Kaffir War. The Seventh Kaffir War. The Eighth Kaffir War. The Ninth Kaffir War. The First Matabele War. The Zulu War. The Boer War. The Basuto Wars. The Transvaal War.
In the Boer war the "Noble English" put the Boers into concentration camps and killed almost 30,000 of them. The Boer spirit cannot be crushed however and ultimately as Seer Rensburg foretold, there will be a great war in South Africa and the Boer will reclaim what is rightfully his. Yahweh spoke to Rensburg and Rensburg wrote it all down for us to have today, we know the war is coming. All I shall say is prepare."

The Boer's were treated incredibly harshly by the British, but when the Boers did the 'great trek' further into Africa (where they found diamonds at Kimberly causing a whole host of other problems) the Boer's were just as harsh to the local African population. Spears don't exactly work too well against guns when you're land is being stolen.

How dare you continue to post a word more offensive the ******, if you conintue I will report this to the Moderators. As for the Boers suffering, the Jews have suffered far worse. As for their wars, if they stayed in Holland and had not tried to conquore the land of others they never would have had to fight.

Side Note: So much for a God-ordained master race, they NEVER secured a victory over the Xhosa tribe and subtued them only after a treaty was forged.

Just posting what I was asked to, direct quotes from my friend, not my words at all.

Also they're the actual historical names of wars, so what can one do if one wants to mention the war?

[quote=FluffyCat][quote=Rotovia]

How dare you continue to post a word more offensive the ******, if you conintue I will report this to the Moderators. As for the Boers suffering, the Jews have suffered far worse. As for their wars, if they stayed in Holland and had not tried to conquore the land of others they never would have had to fight.

Side Note: So much for a God-ordained master race, they NEVER secured a victory over the Xhosa tribe and subtued them only after a treaty was forged.

Just posting what I was asked to, direct quotes from my friend, not my words at all.You still posted them here, I will see to it you get what's comming from the Moderators!

I was told to post

"The boer people have suffered probably more than any other people in the history of the world. There were the endless wars they had to endure,
The First Kaffir War. The Second Kaffir War. The Third Kaffir War. The Fourth Kaffir War. The Fifth Kaffir War. The Sixth Kaffir War. The Seventh Kaffir War. The Eighth Kaffir War. The Ninth Kaffir War. The First Matabele War. The Zulu War. The Boer War. The Basuto Wars. The Transvaal War.
In the Boer war the "Noble English" put the Boers into concentration camps and killed almost 30,000 of them. The Boer spirit cannot be crushed however and ultimately as Seer Rensburg foretold, there will be a great war in South Africa and the Boer will reclaim what is rightfully his. Yahweh spoke to Rensburg and Rensburg wrote it all down for us to have today, we know the war is coming. All I shall say is prepare."
The great Boers got thiers asses well and truely kicked by the British, who were the one by the way that did all the ground work killing tribes and taking over Africa, taking on the Zulus and in the end beating them (not a good point in the history of my country for me anyway). the Zulus would have taken the Boers appart but for the British.
Can you get your pal to visit my garden as the roses are in need of his services! :lol:
A war that you start you self can hardly be something you cry about.
The English have been invaded and conquered, attack etc through out history. That does not make them victims of some conspiracy.
The Dutch (as that is who we are talking about realy) were stiffled in thier plans at empire and could not hack it over the long haul.
I also fail to see how an invading nation can ever be a victim of the wars they cause.

I thought with my last post I would stick to the style of this thread. Rant, pull opinions from others and fail to back up my statements with any historicaly agreed facts. :?

I thought with my last post I would stick to the style of this thread. Rant, pull opinions from others and fail to back up my statements with any historicaly agreed facts. :?


Well I copied and pasted your last post on page 2 to FWS and he told me to 1) Insult his spelling. 2) Make him look stupid. and then 3) To point out you're a PC zombie.

But I'm done doing him favors because he got me in trouble :(

Oh well, we'll still go shooting together and such, so I can't stay mad at him. But I won't be posting for him anymore.

[quote=FluffyCat][quote=Rotovia]

How dare you continue to post a word more offensive the ******, if you conintue I will report this to the Moderators. As for the Boers suffering, the Jews have suffered far worse. As for their wars, if they stayed in Holland and had not tried to conquore the land of others they never would have had to fight.

Side Note: So much for a God-ordained master race, they NEVER secured a victory over the Xhosa tribe and subtued them only after a treaty was forged.

Just posting what I was asked to, direct quotes from my friend, not my words at all.You still posted them here, I will see to it you get what's comming from the Moderators!
I don't think this should be anything to do with moderators. The post may be ill advised and lacking in facts, but it's good to see the extremes out there.
Let them rant and get it off thier chests. If nothing else it brings a smile to the face of a jaded fence sitter (I say that but I do step off every now and then) :)

I thought with my last post I would stick to the style of this thread. Rant, pull opinions from others and fail to back up my statements with any historicaly agreed facts. :?


Well I copied and pasted your last post on page 2 to FWS and he told me to 1) Insult his spelling. 2) Make him look stupid. and then 3) To point out you're a PC zombie.

But I'm done doing him favors because he got me in trouble :(

Oh well, we'll still go shooting together and such, so I can't stay mad at him. But I won't be posting for him anymore.

Why, exactly, are you doing what FWS tells you?

[quote=FluffyCat][quote=Rotovia]

How dare you continue to post a word more offensive the ******, if you conintue I will report this to the Moderators. As for the Boers suffering, the Jews have suffered far worse. As for their wars, if they stayed in Holland and had not tried to conquore the land of others they never would have had to fight.

Side Note: So much for a God-ordained master race, they NEVER secured a victory over the Xhosa tribe and subtued them only after a treaty was forged.

Just posting what I was asked to, direct quotes from my friend, not my words at all.You still posted them here, I will see to it you get what's comming from the Moderators!
I don't think this should be anything to do with moderators. The post may be ill advised and lacking in facts, but it's good to see the extremes out there.
Let them rant and get it off thier chests. If nothing else it brings a smile to the face of a jaded fence sitter (I say that but I do step off every now and then) :)However the use of the word Kaffir cannot be stould for.

Why, exactly, are you doing what FWS tells you?


We're friends (been friends for years), we go shooting, hunting, and fishing together. Also we went to the same highschool (We both gradauted with honors, although he got higher. He got magna cum laude). He provides the guns for the shooting, hunting, and fishing. (Yes, we fish with 22 caliber rifles).

Are also a part of his culllll-er, church?

(Nice save there, good save...)

I thought with my last post I would stick to the style of this thread. Rant, pull opinions from others and fail to back up my statements with any historicaly agreed facts. :?


Well I copied and pasted your last post on page 2 to FWS and he told me to 1) Insult his spelling. 2) Make him look stupid. and then 3) To point out you're a PC zombie.

But I'm done doing him favors because he got me in trouble :(

Oh well, we'll still go shooting together and such, so I can't stay mad at him. But I won't be posting for him anymore.

I like it, two smiles in one day!
Yep when I type quickly I can't always spell, insult away, my smile will turn to a laugh.
I make myself look stupid now and then all by myself and it never bothers me. I admit there are things I don't know but to make me llok stupid on this thread would be hard as I would have to drop so low to fall beneath your pal, he has set the bar so low I would never fit under!
PC, don't think so. If some of my views are PC then so be it, they are my views and arrived at my thought and discusion with others and having and open mind, the concepts will be alien to your pal so you better have some explain them to him.
I off to work soon but tell him to keep it coming, I'll need another good laugh in about three hours. :lol: :lol: :lol:

What do you mean you don't agree with me? YOU MUST BE A PC ZOMBIE!!!

What do you mean you don't agree with me? YOU MUST BE A PC ZOMBIE!!!


Wow you just made that up, he was never named FWS, he was FascistWhiteStates, and I think he had an account before, named Fascist White States. Anyway, I'm heading out of here soon, FWS called and said we're going fishing tomorrow, he wants to try out a new scope on his rifle.


Actually it already is tomorrow. Wow time sure flies.

LOL you kidding? I was one of the original guys he hated. I'm the one he complained to the mods about twice.

Someone doesn't know their history ;)

And by the way, what I posted is something called "satire"

What do you mean you don't agree with me? YOU MUST BE A PC ZOMBIE!!!


Wow you just made that up, he was never named FWS, he was FascistWhiteStates, and I think he had an account before, named Fascist White States. Anyway, I'm heading out of here soon, FWS called and said we're going fishing tomorrow, he wants to try out a new scope on his rifle.


Actually it already is tomorrow. Wow time sure flies.
Have fun.
No I am serious!
And get FWS back on here, I enjoy a good rant.

LOL you kidding? I was one of the original guys he hated. I'm the one he complained to the mods about twice.

Someone doesn't know their history ;)

And by the way, what I posted is something called "satire"
Come on forgive the young. They need time to mature.

What do you mean you don't agree with me? YOU MUST BE A PC ZOMBIE!!!


Wow you just made that up, he was never named FWS, he was FascistWhiteStates, and I think he had an account before, named Fascist White States. Anyway, I'm heading out of here soon, FWS called and said we're going fishing tomorrow, he wants to try out a new scope on his rifle.


Actually it already is tomorrow. Wow time sure flies.
Have fun.
No I am serious!
And get FWS back on here, I enjoy a good rant.

FWS and I just got off the phone, he is busy doing work (getting the rifles ready for fishing in the morning).

What do you mean you don't agree with me? YOU MUST BE A PC ZOMBIE!!!


Wow you just made that up, he was never named FWS, he was FascistWhiteStates, and I think he had an account before, named Fascist White States. Anyway, I'm heading out of here soon, FWS called and said we're going fishing tomorrow, he wants to try out a new scope on his rifle.


Actually it already is tomorrow. Wow time sure flies.
Have fun.
No I am serious!
And get FWS back on here, I enjoy a good rant.

FWS and I just got off the phone, he is busy doing work (getting the rifles ready for fishing in the morning).

How exactly do you fish with rifles?

You shoot the fish :p

What do you mean you don't agree with me? YOU MUST BE A PC ZOMBIE!!!


Wow you just made that up, he was never named FWS, he was FascistWhiteStates, and I think he had an account before, named Fascist White States. Anyway, I'm heading out of here soon, FWS called and said we're going fishing tomorrow, he wants to try out a new scope on his rifle.


Actually it already is tomorrow. Wow time sure flies.
Have fun.
No I am serious!
And get FWS back on here, I enjoy a good rant.

FWS and I just got off the phone, he is busy doing work (getting the rifles ready for fishing in the morning).

How exactly do you fish with rifles?

You shoot the fish and they float to the top, or you get them with a net. You have to compensate for the water distorting where they appear to be though. I prefer using a 22 rifle, FWS loves using a 45 pistol to fish with though.

[quote=FluffyCat][quote=Rotovia]

How dare you continue to post a word more offensive the ******, if you conintue I will report this to the Moderators. As for the Boers suffering, the Jews have suffered far worse. As for their wars, if they stayed in Holland and had not tried to conquore the land of others they never would have had to fight.

Side Note: So much for a God-ordained master race, they NEVER secured a victory over the Xhosa tribe and subtued them only after a treaty was forged.

Just posting what I was asked to, direct quotes from my friend, not my words at all.You still posted them here, I will see to it you get what's comming from the Moderators!

Yeah. Thats terrible. He deserves what he gets.

As far as the use of the word "Kaffir" goes, using it in a historical manner is ok. As far as I know, it is in common usage in regards to the various conflicts. If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me. Using the word in a manner other than this would of course be a ToS violation.

That said, starting a thread with copy/pasted news articles without comment is a rules violation by precedent, as it can be considered spam. I ask you not to do it again. Also, FWS was deleted for a reason, and you may want to think twice about pasting what he says. I can assure you that anything you post is YOUR repsonsibility, and an argument of "FWS told me to say it" will not fly.

Let me sum up. You are toeing the line here, and we really do not appreciate that.

Edit1: Of course, you would never use the "FWS told me to say it" argument as you are FWS.

As far as the use of the word "Kaffir" goes, using it in a historical manner is ok. As far as I know, it is in common usage in regards to the various conflicts. If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me. Using the word in a manner other than this would of course be a ToS violation.

That said, starting a thread with copy/pasted news articles without comment is a rules violation by precedent, as it can be considered spam. I ask you not to do it again. Also, FWS was deleted for a reason, and you may want to think twice about pasting what he says. I can assure you that anything you post is YOUR repsonsibility, and an argument of "FWS told me to say it" will not fly.

Let me sum up. You are toeing the line here, and we really do not appreciate that.


Okay, I will tell him he cannot post through me. But he outranks me and he won't be happy about it, but again we're friends and he won't stay mad for more than a few seconds.