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Should Russia ethnically cleanse chechnya?

14-06-2004, 07:22
The Chechens are disgusting swine and the world is better off without them. What do you say?

The Chechens have been nothing but trouble since the beginning.

Chechnya is an ethnically based revolt, as history proves, the only way to stop an ethnically based revolt is to ruthlessly crush the group that is rebelling. Austria knew this all too well, which is why they crushed the Magyars, and later the Slavs.




http://english.pravda.ru/society/2003/01/08/41724.html



Russian Soldier Goes Through Chechen Captivity Hell

Evgeny Rodionov,19 years old, did not lose his faith despite horrible tortures

The Chechen captivity is the most horrid, the most inhuman and barbaric thing that can ever happen, says Evgeny-s mother. She had to survive hell to find her son, the body of her son, to be more precise. Evgeny-s death coincided with his 19th birthday. Evgeny's mother, Lubov, was a little late: she was just seven kilometers far from the place of her son-s execution.

?Evgeny was born 30 minutes after midnight on May 23, 1977. His delivery was not hard. He was a good and healthy child, his weight was 3900 grams. I was so relieved, when I heard his first cry. As if he was trying to say ?I came into this world, love me! I incidentally looked at the window. It was dark outside, and I suddenly saw a falling star. I went pale, my heart turned to a cold small piece. Doctors tried to convince me that it was a good sign. They told me that a falling star was a sign of good life for my baby. However, I had to live with a sense of something dangerous coming over us. Time made me forget about it, but I had to remember the sign in 19 years.

The Russian patriotic press has already reported about the deed of a 19-year-old Russian soldier, Evgeny Rodionov. This young man found himself in the Chechen captivity in 1996. He did not betray either his fatherland or his faith. He did not take off his cross even at the hardest moment of beastly tortures. The state decorated Evgeny with the Order of Courage. People-s donations made it possible to put a two-meter high Orthodox cross on his grave. People come to visit his grave from most distant parts of Russia. His mother, Lubov Rodionova, says that people-s attitude changed her entire awareness of life. A WWII veteran once came to visit Evgeny's grave. He took off his military decoration v the Bravery Medal v and put in on the tombstone.

Evgeny Rodionov's biography was published in a book that came out in 2002. The book was called ?The New Martyr of Christ, Warrior Evgeny. This is not really a book, but a booklet, which was written by priest Alexander Shargunov. However, we know little about Evgeny's inmost thoughts, feelings, emotions, or what he had to go through during three months of the Chechen hell. A lot of things remain a mystery. Lubov Rodionova shared her thoughts with the priest about her son-s childhood, his interests at school, his attitude to the military service. She also shared her most horrible thoughts v about the news of his alleged desertion from the army, and what followed that news afterwards.

Eighteen-year-old Evgeny Rodionov was taken captive with three other soldiers at night of February 14th, not far from the Chechen settlement of Galashki. The guys arrived from the Kaliningrad region. They patrolled the border between the republics of Chechnya and Ingushetia. Their control and registration post was located some 200 meters far from the security detachment. The post was just a small cabin, without any light or wire communication. The cabin did not even have a military support, in spite of the fact that it was a single cabin on the mountainous road, which was used for carrying weapons, ammunition, captives, drugs and so on. The border guards stopped an ambulance vehicle to check it. More than ten armed Chechens got out of the vehicle. Needless to mention that it was very easy for them to cope with young inexperienced soldiers. The guys showed as much resistance as they could, but the outcome of the fight was evident before it even started. Lubov Rodionova believes that this incident happened over officers- negligence, basically. ?The captivity has always been considered to be the most horrible thing that can ever happen to a person. It implies no freedom, but only tortures and humiliation. Experience showed that the Chechen captivity is the most horrid, the most inhuman and barbaric thing that can ever happen,¦ Lubov Rodionova believes.

As soon as she learned that her son was a captive of Chechen guerrillas, she started looking for him all over Chechnya for nine months. She had to go through every horror imaginable. ?I think that God was watching over me. I was walking along mined roads, but I did not step on a bomb. He protected me from bombings, he did not let me die, because my duty was to find my son, to bury him on his native land, according to Christian traditions. I have realized that recently. When I was walking along those military roads, I just kept silence, praying to God in my heart.¦

Chechen bandits murdered Evgeny Rodionov on May 23, 1996 in the Chechen settlement of Bamut. Russian troops occupied the village the next day. Lubov Rodionova learned about her son-s death only in September. She had to put a mortgage on her own apartment in order to find Evgeny-s body and to take it away along with the bodies of his murdered friends. A Chechen man agreed to show her the place, where Evgeny was buried. She had to pay him a lot of money for that. ?When I came to Chechnya in the middle of February, a living private cost ten million rubles. This price was 50 million in August. A friend of mine was told to pay 250 million rubles for her son, since he was an officer. It was nighttime, when I and some sappers were digging the pit, in which the bodies of four Russian soldiers were thrown. I was praying all the time, hoping that my Evgeny was not going to be there. I could not and did not want to believe that he was murdered. When we were taking out the remnants, I recognized his boots. However, I still refused to accept the fact of his death, until someone found his cross. Then I fainted.¦

Evgeny Rodionov was murdered by Ruslan Khaikhoroyev. This bandit confessed that himself. ?Your son had a choice to stay alive. He could convert to Islam, but he did not agree to take his cross off. He also tried to escape once,¦ said Khaikhoroyev. The guerrilla was killed together with his bodyguards on August 23, 1999 in a fight between armed Chechen groups. When Lubov Rodionova came back home, Evgeny-s father died five days after the funeral. He could not stand the loss of his son.

Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov, acting chairman of the Moscow Patriarchy department for cooperation with the Armed Forces, says that Evgeny Rodionov will definitely be canonized. The adequate inquiry has already been made, although more information about Evgeny's fate is needed. Father Dmitry said that Evgeny would be canonized as soon as the information was collected.

A sign in memory of the brave Russian border guard was put at the entrance to the school, where he studied. There was also a documentary released about him. The writings on Evgeny-s grave cross run: ?Russian soldier Evgeny Rodionov is buried here. He defended his Fatherland and did not disavow Christ. He was executed on May 23, 1996, on the outskirts of Bamut.¦

?We know that he had to go through horrible, long-lasting sufferings that could be compared to the ones of great martyrs in ancient times. They were beheaded, dismembered, but they remained devoted to Jesus Christ anyway,¦ priest Alexander Shargunov said during the requiem in Evgeny Rodionov-s memory.
Dontgonearthere
14-06-2004, 07:24
Never judge a culture by its govornment, or by a few individuals.
If we did, should we go in and 'clenase' Russia itself, after all, they used to be Soviets, so they must be evil.
14-06-2004, 07:26
Never judge a culture by its govornment, or by a few individuals.
If we did, should we go in and 'clenase' Russia itself, after all, they used to be Soviets, so they must be evil.

Wrong. The Russian people for the most part hated communism and are glad to be rid of it. Probably 95% of chechen muslims support terrorism. Anybody who keeps up on the chechen situation would know what is going on. I say wipe them out, they're a plague.
Monkeypimp
14-06-2004, 07:27
Never judge a culture by its govornment, or by a few individuals.
If we did, should we go in and 'clenase' Russia itself, after all, they used to be Soviets, so they must be evil.

We'd be 'clenase'ing everyone based on that logic. I doubt this thread will last long anyhow.
CanuckHeaven
14-06-2004, 07:27
Anyone who suggests ethnic cleansing is not well, and should see a doctor. I also don't believe that this type of subject is suitable for this board IMHO.
CanuckHeaven
14-06-2004, 07:28
Never judge a culture by its govornment, or by a few individuals.
If we did, should we go in and 'clenase' Russia itself, after all, they used to be Soviets, so they must be evil.

Wrong. The Russian people for the most part hated communism and are glad to be rid of it. Probably 95% of chechen muslims support terrorism. Anybody who keeps up on the chechen situation would know what is going on. I say wipe them out, they're a plague.
People like you scare me.
Dontgonearthere
14-06-2004, 07:29
Never judge a culture by its govornment, or by a few individuals.
If we did, should we go in and 'clenase' Russia itself, after all, they used to be Soviets, so they must be evil.

Wrong. The Russian people for the most part hated communism and are glad to be rid of it. Probably 95% of chechen muslims support terrorism. Anybody who keeps up on the chechen situation would know what is going on. I say wipe them out, they're a plague.
Whats your source? Anyway, whose to say somebody didnt barge into their house with an AK and say, do you support terrorist, you have to say yes.
Right-Wing Fantasy
14-06-2004, 07:30
Minorities can be really dangerous, but then again, Jesus hate killin'. That's quite a thorny issue.
14-06-2004, 07:30
Whats your source? Anyway, whose to say somebody didnt barge into their house with an AK and say, do you support terrorist, you have to say yes.


My sources are numerous friends in Russia, I am very well connected internationally.
Dontgonearthere
14-06-2004, 07:30
Friends in Russia, thats good. They must be totally unbiased.
14-06-2004, 07:31
Minorities can be really dangerous, but then again, Jesus hate killin'. That's quite a thorny issue.

Luke 22:36


Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Andolai
14-06-2004, 07:31
Probably 95% of chechen muslims support terrorism.

I'd be curious to know your source for that figure.
Rotovia
14-06-2004, 07:32
The real question is should we ethnically cleanse you?
14-06-2004, 07:32
Probably 95% of chechen muslims support terrorism.

I'd be curious to know your source for that figure.


Friends in Russia, police, army, etc.
Sino
14-06-2004, 07:34
Ethnic cleansing may not be right but if that is the way to deal with separatists then let it be. Taiwan's separatists thinig they are Japanese at heart (despite being brutalized under Japanese rule), despite being Chinese in appearance. These are nothing but enemies from within.

Russia should kill off all Chechens that are separatists.
14-06-2004, 07:36
Already somebody is wasting the Mods time.


Hooray for the tattletale who cannot handle debate.






http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153021

Smeagol-Gollum
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Founded: 03 Jan 2004
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:29 am Post subject: Offensive racialism

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Offensive racialism and a "poll" on "ethnic cleansing"

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Smeagol-Gollum
14-06-2004, 07:38
Already somebody is wasting the Mods time.

Hooray for the tattletale who cannot handle debate.


http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153021

Smeagol-Gollum
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Founded: 03 Jan 2004
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:29 am Post subject: Offensive racialism

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Offensive racialism and a "poll" on "ethnic cleansing"

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153020

Anytime.
Right-Wing Fantasy
14-06-2004, 07:40
Minorities can be really dangerous, but then again, Jesus hate killin'. That's quite a thorny issue.

Luke 22:36


Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Let's go get 'em. I'd volunteer some American troops to help you out, but we've got a bit of a situation in Iraq. My advice is ask the White House for some weapons. Land mines, M-16s and Apaches will show those homosexual, communist terrorists what's what.
14-06-2004, 07:40
Already somebody is wasting the Mods time.

Hooray for the tattletale who cannot handle debate.


http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153021

Smeagol-Gollum
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Founded: 03 Jan 2004
Posts: 1205

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:29 am Post subject: Offensive racialism

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Offensive racialism and a "poll" on "ethnic cleansing"

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153020

Anytime.


You win the crybaby award for today, congratulations.
Andolai
14-06-2004, 07:44
Friends in Russia, police, army, etc.

So by and large, your sources are the same people who wish to do the cleansing, it seems. Do you have an unbiased source for the 95% figure, or is it merely hyperbole for the sake of making a point?
Armored Ear
14-06-2004, 07:45
Terrorists are terrorists, rebels are rebels, and the rebelling peoples, if in the right, whether that be because of an ACTUALLY overly-oppresive government THAT WON'T LET YOU LEAVE, or moral (yeah sticky issue) injustice, they have the right to overthrow the government. But if not, then they need to be dealt with.
Urkaina
14-06-2004, 07:45
A triple airburst over Grozny. Just to level the playing field. :twisted:
14-06-2004, 07:48
Friends in Russia, police, army, etc.

So by and large, your sources are the same people who wish to do the cleansing, it seems. Do you have an unbiased source for the 95% figure, or is it merely hyperbole for the sake of making a point?


Watch the news and see how many Russians die in Chechnya, how many terrorists attacks there are. It is not a small radical group but the entire people that are rising up.
14-06-2004, 07:48
Well my international sources say that (relatively) Many people in Russia still celebrate stalins Birthday, and nationalism and facist groups are poping up.

Its funny you should call them a plauge. Because they arent plaging your own country they are plauging their own. Oh wait, I guess you do consider it your country, dont you?
14-06-2004, 07:49
Friends in Russia, police, army, etc.

So by and large, your sources are the same people who wish to do the cleansing, it seems. Do you have an unbiased source for the 95% figure, or is it merely hyperbole for the sake of making a point?


Watch the news and see how many Russians die in Chechnya, how many terrorists attacks there are. It is not a small radical group but the entire people that are rising up.

LOL, your kinda shooting yourself in the foot there.
14-06-2004, 07:50
Well my international sources say that (relatively) Many people in Russia still celebrate stalins Birthday, and nationalism and facist groups are poping up.

Its funny you should call them a plauge. Because they arent plaging your own country they are plauging their own. Oh wait, I guess you do consider it your country, dont you?

Do I consider what my country? You keep jumping from nation to nation, do you mean do I consider the USA my country? Yes of course.
Monkeypimp
14-06-2004, 07:51
Friends in Russia, police, army, etc.

So by and large, your sources are the same people who wish to do the cleansing, it seems. Do you have an unbiased source for the 95% figure, or is it merely hyperbole for the sake of making a point?


Watch the news and see how many Russians die in Chechnya, how many terrorists attacks there are. It is not a small radical group but the entire people that are rising up.

You're the type of person that thinks that 11/9 was because some guys got together and decided that freedom sucked and they were going to kill some randoms for it right?
Armored Ear
14-06-2004, 07:52
New Astrolia, I know for a fact in Russia more groups are popping up CONSTANTLY, and communism is back on the rise HIGHLY in Russia and democracy will never prevail there. It looks as if Russia will become a communist giant once again. They tried democracy, they can go home now. :roll:
Armored Ear
14-06-2004, 07:54
To monkeypimp, as long as they are Jewish or Christian, it's not random. :wink:
Monkeypimp
14-06-2004, 07:56
To monkeypimp, as long as they are Jewish or Christian, it's not random. :wink:

Yeah I guess. The point is, people don't rise up or attack people just because there's nothing good on TV tonight...
Free Outer Eugenia
14-06-2004, 08:05
Go back to your cave, Troll.
14-06-2004, 08:05
You're the type of person that thinks that 11/9 was because some guys got together and decided that freedom sucked and they were going to kill some randoms for it right?

I believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the CIA and Mossad so Bush would have an excuse to go to war for the Jewish Cabal that is pulling his strings.

Bohemian Grove, Masons, Skull and Bones, and a few others. The secret societies that run the world are scary and disturbing. Bohemian Grove worships Moloch. Masons need to be ruthlessly suppressed.

The New World Order is what they are all working for, the NWO where the white working class becomes the new peasants under the feudal lords (Jews and the Masons).
Monkeypimp
14-06-2004, 08:06
You're the type of person that thinks that 11/9 was because some guys got together and decided that freedom sucked and they were going to kill some randoms for it right?

I believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the CIA and Mossad so Bush would have an excuse to go to war for the Jewish Cabal that is pulling his strings.

Bohemian Grove, Masons, Skull and Bones, and a few others. The secret societies that run the world are scary and disturbing. Bohemian Grove worships Moloch. Masons need to be ruthlessly suppressed.

The New World Order is what they are all working for, the NWO where the white working class becomes the new peasants under the feudal lords (Jews and the Masons).

How could that be kept secret when they can't even keep what happens in the whitehouse secret?
Kotrir
14-06-2004, 08:06
You're the type of person that thinks that 11/9 was because some guys got together and decided that freedom sucked and they were going to kill some randoms for it right?

I believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the CIA and Mossad so Bush would have an excuse to go to war for the Jewish Cabal that is pulling his strings.

Bohemian Grove, Masons, Skull and Bones, and a few others. The secret societies that run the world are scary and disturbing. Bohemian Grove worships Moloch. Masons need to be ruthlessly suppressed.

The New World Order is what they are all working for, the NWO where the white working class becomes the new peasants under the feudal lords (Jews and the Masons).

Your ignorance is proven with every word you speak.
Petsburg
14-06-2004, 08:08
The Chechens are disgusting swine and the world is better off without them. What do you say?

The Chechens have been nothing but trouble since the beginning.

Chechnya is an ethnically based revolt, as history proves, the only way to stop an ethnically based revolt is to ruthlessly crush the group that is rebelling. Austria knew this all too well, which is why they crushed the Magyars, and later the Slavs.

Never Judge a culture by the minority. would you judge the british (like myself) by Mr blair or The BNP? i sincirly hope not :roll:
Brindisi Dorom
14-06-2004, 08:08
Terrorism doesn't solve/prevent terrorism.
14-06-2004, 08:09
http://www.infowars.com/bg1.html


Alex Jones Has Blown Bohemian Grove Wide Open!" John Sergeant, World of Wonder, UK Channel 4

Major media from CBS television, magazines like People and Spy have attempted and failed to get the hard video evidence that Alex Jones and his team have gotten out of Bohemian Grove.

Alex Jones: "This is like something out of a Hollywood movie, where teenagers are out camping in the wilderness and come over a hill and witness some devil cult in black and red garb sacrificing some poor soul on a bloody altar."

DARK SECRETS: INSIDE BOHEMIAN GROVE

Since 1873, the Global Elite Has Held Secret Meetings in the Ancient Redwood Forest of Northern California. Members of the so-called "Bohemian Club" Include Former Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan. The Bush Family Maintains a Strong Involvement. Each Year at Bohemian Grove, Members of This All-Male "Club" Don Red, Black and Silver Robes and Conduct an Occult Ritual Wherein They Worship a Giant Stone Owl, Sacrificing a Human Being in Effigy to What They Call the "Great Owl of Bohemia."

Now, for the First Time in History, an Outsider Has Infiltrated Bohemian Grove with a Hidden Digital Video Camera and Caught the Ritual on Tape. That Man is Alex Jones, the Exclusive Digital Video is Just Part of His Shocking New Documentary: DARK SECRETS: INSIDE BOHEMIAN GROVE
14-06-2004, 08:10
Your ignorance is proven with every word you speak

.

I am so damn tired of the leftists using the word "Ignorance" against anybody who isn't a PC zombie. I have looked at the issues for years, thought long and hard. And I've made my choice, I decided RIGHT (no pun intended).
Armored Ear
14-06-2004, 08:11
Fluffycat, that is the most hilarious thing i've read all day! And i've read some funny stuff today! Edit: and im talking about the cult thing.Edit Edit: AND I DONT BELIEVE IT! Hahaha!
Tygaland
14-06-2004, 08:25
While I disagree with the sentiments of your thread, it is your opinion and you are entitled to it. If people are offended by it, don't read it. The thread title is enough to make that decision.

As far as Smeagol-Gollum is concerned, they have worn a path to the mods forum so it comes as no surprise to see they have done so for this thread.
CanuckHeaven
14-06-2004, 08:42
Libertovania will miss you fluffy :shock:
Urkaina
14-06-2004, 08:47
You're the type of person that thinks that 11/9 was because some guys got together and decided that freedom sucked and they were going to kill some randoms for it right?

I believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the CIA and Mossad so Bush would have an excuse to go to war for the Jewish Cabal that is pulling his strings.

Bohemian Grove, Masons, Skull and Bones, and a few others. The secret societies that run the world are scary and disturbing. Bohemian Grove worships Moloch. Masons need to be ruthlessly suppressed.

The New World Order is what they are all working for, the NWO where the white working class becomes the new peasants under the feudal lords (Jews and the Masons).
I think you're forgetting to mention the Bilderberg conferences, the Trilateral Commission and the Illuminati. And the Federal Reserve, of course. Fiendish, absolutely fiendish. :lol:
Urkaina
14-06-2004, 08:58
The Great Owl of Bohemia...
Too good a thing to really happen in California (all they get is Uke family annihilators & stuff), but a nice name for a nation. :wink:
Free Outer Eugenia
14-06-2004, 09:53
The troll is dead. Long- eh... the troll is dead.
Insane Troll
14-06-2004, 09:55
Let the chechnyeans live, they make the best execution videos.

They seem to like to film themselves cutting off Russian's heads.