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Reagan won the Cold War...maybe...not.

Revolutionsz
12-06-2004, 18:04
Reagan was our best. FDR's new deal gave hope, but DID NOT end the Depression. WWII did when people got jobs in defense industries.

Reagan...won the Cold War.

The Soviet Union's defense spending did not rise or fall in response to American military expenditures. Revised estimates by the Central Intelligence Agency indicate that Soviet expenditures on defense remained more or less constant throughout the 1980s. Neither the military buildup under Jimmy Carter and Reagan nor SDI had any real impact on gross spending levels in the USSR.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/foreign/reagrus.htm
Spoffin
12-06-2004, 18:06
Reagan was our best. FDR's new deal gave hope, but DID NOT end the Depression. WWII did when people got jobs in defense industries.

Reagan...won the Cold War.

The Soviet Union's defense spending did not rise or fall in response to American military expenditures. Revised estimates by the Central Intelligence Agency indicate that Soviet expenditures on defense remained more or less constant throughout the 1980s. Neither the military buildup under Jimmy Carter and Reagan nor SDI had any real impact on gross spending levels in the USSR.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/foreign/reagrus.htmI think that he definately did make it end faster... somewhere in the region of 10-14 days faster.
Japaica
12-06-2004, 18:07
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH. NO MORE REAGAN THREADS :evil:
Petsburg
12-06-2004, 18:08
Leave the poor bloke alone, please :roll:
Revolutionsz
12-06-2004, 18:09
Leave the poor bloke alone, please :roll:
Why?
Petsburg
12-06-2004, 18:10
Leave the poor bloke alone, please :roll:
Why?

We've had enough, thats why
Revolutionsz
12-06-2004, 18:11
I think that he definately did make it end faster... somewhere in the region of 10-14 days faster.

What makes you think so?
Revolutionsz
12-06-2004, 18:12
Leave the poor bloke alone, please :roll:
Why?

We've had enough, thats why

Just do NOT open this thread :twisted:
Japaica
12-06-2004, 18:13
Leave the poor bloke alone, please :roll:
Why?

We've had enough, thats why

Just do NOT open this thread :twisted:

Jesus f***ing christ. There have been like 10 Reagan threads.
Revolutionsz
12-06-2004, 18:22
Just do NOT open this thread :twisted:

Jesus f***ing christ. There have been like 10 Reagan threads.

Do not open any of the Threads you dont wanna hear about...

Japaica...Read my lips: D.O..N.O.T..O.P.E.N..T.H.E.M.
Kahta
12-06-2004, 18:25
Conservatives wont listen to this and liberals already know this.
Revolutionsz
12-06-2004, 18:29
Conservatives wont listen to this.

LOL...

Looks like they dont wanna see any thread about this...

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH. NO MORE REAGAN THREADS :evil:

We've had enough,
Jesus f***ing christ. There have been like 10 Reagan threads.
Japaica
12-06-2004, 18:56
Conservatives wont listen to this.

LOL...

Looks like they dont wanna see any thread about this...

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH. NO MORE REAGAN THREADS :evil:

We've had enough,
Jesus f***ing christ. There have been like 10 Reagan threads.

I'm liberal.
Jamesbondmcm
12-06-2004, 19:12
Soviet Communism ended itself.
Purly Euclid
12-06-2004, 21:12
I've explained in my own threads why Reagan was needed to win the Cold War. He didn't end it himself. But he kept the temperature hot for the Soviet Union. SDI's biggest impact, for example, was psychological. The Russians, more than anyone else, believed that a missile shield would work, and it'd bring Moscow to its knees. It may be why Gorbachev was so interested in arms reduction.
And, like it or not, US actions in Central America had a profound impact, demonstrating that the Soviet Union has lost its foothold in the Western Hemisphere. Even Cuba, the Soviet sattelite in the West, declined in its usefulness. Reagan did a lot to help the Cold War to end.
BLARGistania
12-06-2004, 21:16
so many Reagan threads, so annoying.
Revolutionsz
12-06-2004, 21:42
I'm liberal.

I was under the impression you were Jewish
Enodscopia
12-06-2004, 21:45
Reagan did win the cold war. What military buildup under Carter, Carter completely gutted the military.
Tactical Grace
12-06-2004, 21:48
Reagan just happened to be around when it ended, and claimed the credit. If it was another US President during the late 1980s, then he, whoever he would have been, would have picked up the credit. His input was minimal.
Revolutionsz
12-06-2004, 21:49
Reagan was the best president ever. He beat the evil empire...

evil empire?
Kwangistar
12-06-2004, 21:50
Reagan was the best president ever. He beat the evil empire...

evil empire?
Soviets
Revolutionsz
12-06-2004, 21:52
What military buildup under Carter?
Maybe you need to look at the numbers, before talking whay you dont know about.....do the google thing.
Japaica
13-06-2004, 04:22
I'm liberal.

I was under the impression you were Jewish

I AM :D
Revolutionsz
13-06-2004, 05:38
I AM :D
so...tell me more about Jewish Democrats/Liberals
How should they vote?

For Bush or for Kerry?
Kahta
13-06-2004, 14:55
I've explained in my own threads why Reagan was needed to win the Cold War. He didn't end it himself. But he kept the temperature hot for the Soviet Union. SDI's biggest impact, for example, was psychological. The Russians, more than anyone else, believed that a missile shield would work, and it'd bring Moscow to its knees.

It may be why Gorbachev was so interested in arms reduction.

And, like it or not, US actions in Central America had a profound impact, demonstrating that the Soviet Union has lost its foothold in the Western Hemisphere. Even Cuba, the Soviet sattelite in the West, declined in its usefulness. Reagan did a lot to help the Cold War to end.

SDI would not work, there were 3 delivery systems of nuclear warheads. Airplanes, Submarines, and ICBM's. Airplanes would not be stopped, subs would not either, and cruise missiles would be just as easily used, but there is nothing to defend against those, and its damn near impossible to stop one.

No, the reason he and the US wanted to reduce arms was because of the "One-upping" over the years there were enough nuclear arms to destroy every medium and large sized city in the northern hemisphere.

I'm not going to argue about their foothold, but it did not have an impact because communism was being rejected everywhere in the world, Poland, Czechslovakia, Hungary, and Afganistan. Cuba was not useful after the cuban missile crisis.
Apple Zer0
13-06-2004, 14:56
I'm sick of hearing about Reagan.
Tactical Grace
13-06-2004, 15:02
SDI would not work, there were 3 delivery systems of nuclear warheads. Airplanes, Submarines, and ICBM's. Airplanes would not be stopped, subs would not either, and cruise missiles would be just as easily used, but there is nothing to defend against those, and its damn near impossible to stop one.
Yes, all it would take is a couple of subs hitting a couple of radar sites in the UK and Iceland with a salvo of nuclear cruise missiles, and the shield is blind. Then, the ICBMs could pile in with ease. This is as true today as it was then. I doubt that nuclear weapons will ever have an effective counter-measure. At least, one effective enough to make that sort of calculation anything other than an act of desparation.
Kahta
13-06-2004, 15:25
SDI would not work, there were 3 delivery systems of nuclear warheads. Airplanes, Submarines, and ICBM's. Airplanes would not be stopped, subs would not either, and cruise missiles would be just as easily used, but there is nothing to defend against those, and its damn near impossible to stop one.
Yes, all it would take is a couple of subs hitting a couple of radar sites in the UK and Iceland with a salvo of nuclear cruise missiles, and the shield is blind. Then, the ICBMs could pile in with ease. This is as true today as it was then. I doubt that nuclear weapons will ever have an effective counter-measure. At least, one effective enough to make that sort of calculation anything other than an act of desparation.

When my grandfather was in the navy he built those radar stations in Greenland and Iceland.