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Let me make this clear: I don't care if I lose friends or colleagues on this game for posting this, but someone needs to, and I fear I may be the only one with the testicular fortitude to do so.

Ronald Reagan died. Not President Reagan, not Governor Reagan - just a guy with Alzheimer's named Ronald Wilson Reagan. Simple as that.

His family, friends, and colleagues are in a deep state of mourning after watching him fade away into blackness for ten years.

And, the only thing the majority of posters her can do, is post post-after-post of insults, propoganda, and flames about his Presidency and policies.

Well, let me tell you all something, as much as this may be a political simulation site, it doesn't mean that politics are to be brought into everything that's posted here.

I have lost a lot of faith in the general intelligence, knowledge, and decency of a majority of members of the NationStates site for how blatantly disrespectful they've been in this state of mourning.

I have never asked anyone or said anything to anyone here to limit their freedom of speech or freedom to express themselves, but can't we just have a bit of maturity and not hijack someone's thread discussing Reagan as a man and such with political propoganada?

Some say that any thread on Reagan is asking for a political discussion, and that simply is not true. My thread, entitled simply, "Nancy Breaks Down," was a statement saying that she finally entered mourning, and what did you all do?

Disrespected her, her family, her friends, her colleagues, and msot importantly, myself for hijacking my thread and turning it into a political flame-fest.

It makes me sick, those individuals make me sick, and honest-to-God, you made me want to throw-up.

Y'know what, NS is just a game, it's not life, and while I am adamant about my first amendment rights and so forth, I adamant that go about it with dignity and common courtesy towards your fellow man.

The majority of couldn't even do the latter towards Reagan, a man you never knew, and worst of all you couldn't even show it to me, someone who posts here everday and someone you've gotten to know just a little bit about personally.

guess what, i'm australian, i never knew the man, and as such i will NOT mourn him in any way shape or form. :)

Nono...I said this too the day Reagan died. Needless to say, it was hosted to further bash Reagan before he was dead for even 24 hours.

Friggin pathetic.

I was as radical and as civilized as I could be. Still wasn't enough to slap sense in some of these people. I pity them. I wonder how they'll act if their fathers become politicians and die? Will they act in the same way? Throwing parties and being thankful he's dead.

I cry for humanity...

guess what, i'm australian, i never knew the man, and as such i will NOT mourn him in any way shape or form. :)

wow, way to be a complete ass

guess what, i'm australian, i never knew the man, and as such i will NOT mourn him in any way shape or form. :)

It's not your place to mourn him, TAR, it's his family and friends' place.

guess what, i'm australian, i never knew the man, and as such i will NOT mourn him in any way shape or form. :)
Could you at least try to dull that out of it's attractiveness with the blue?

guess what, i'm australian, i never knew the man, and as such i will NOT mourn him in any way shape or form. :)

wow, way to be a complete ass


how the hell can i mourn a guy i never knew? :?

guess what, i'm australian, i never knew the man, and as such i will NOT mourn him in any way shape or form. :)

wow, way to be a complete ass


how the hell can i mourn a guy i never knew? :?
by at least not posting that with a smile

Nono...I said this too the day Reagan died. Needless to say, it was hosted to further bash Reagan before he was dead for even 24 hours.

And, as soon as it does, everyone who hijacks this thread will be immediately reported to the moderators. I have no problem losing everyone on NS about this, because frankly, I'm sick of the current level of flaming and general debauchery that goes on here and in RL, too, I might add.

how the hell can i mourn a guy i never knew? :?

I agree with you, and I pointed that out earlier. :wink:

guess what, i'm australian, i never knew the man, and as such i will NOT mourn him in any way shape or form. :)

wow, way to be a complete ass


how the hell can i mourn a guy i never knew? :?

(what the hell everyone else is doing it) you dont have to be hateful and snyde about it though :?

guess what, i'm australian, i never knew the man, and as such i will NOT mourn him in any way shape or form. :)

wow, way to be a complete ass


how the hell can i mourn a guy i never knew? :?

(what the hell everyone else is doing it) you dont have to be hateful and snyde about it though :?

lapse got green :P

how the hell can i mourn a guy i never knew? :?

(what the hell everyone else is doing it) you dont have to be hateful and snyde about it though :?[/quote]

TAR is not being "hateful and snyde" about this, TAR is simply pointing out why he isn't in mourning. Please, drop it, GV, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Let me make this clear: I don't care if I lose friends or colleagues on this game for posting this, but someone needs to, and I fear I may be the only one with the testicular fortitude to do so.

Ronald Reagan died. Not President Reagan, not Governor Reagan - just a guy with Alzheimer's named Ronald Wilson Reagan. Simple as that.

His family, friends, and colleagues are in a deep state of mourning after watching him fade away into blackness for ten years.

And, the only thing the majority of posters her can do, is post post-after-post of insults, propoganda, and flames about his Presidency and policies.

Well, let me tell you all something, as much as this may be a political simulation site, it doesn't mean that politics are to be brought into everything that's posted here.

I have lost a lot of faith in the general intelligence, knowledge, and decency of a majority of members of the NationStates site for how blatantly disrespectful they've been in this state of mourning.

I have never asked anyone or said anything to anyone here to limit their freedom of speech or freedom to express themselves, but can't we just have a bit of maturity and not hijack someone's thread discussing Reagan as a man and such with political propoganada?

Some say that any thread on Reagan is asking for a political discussion, and that simply is not true. My thread, entitled simply, "Nancy Breaks Down," was a statement saying that she finally entered mourning, and what did you all do?

Disrespected her, her family, her friends, her colleagues, and msot importantly, myself for hijacking my thread and turning it into a political flame-fest.

It makes me sick, those individuals make me sick, and honest-to-God, you made me want to throw-up.

Y'know what, NS is just a game, it's not life, and while I am adamant about my first amendment rights and so forth, I adamant that go about it with dignity and common courtesy towards your fellow man.

The majority of couldn't even do the latter towards Reagan, a man you never knew, and worst of all you couldn't even show it to me, someone who posts here everday and someone you've gotten to know just a little bit about personally.

I don't agree with you very often, but, unfortunately, I agree with every word of your post here. You have said what I have been thinking and said it well. Thank you TH.

human decency, human love... thats what makes you cry for someone you never knew.

i am sad for the man, but also happy that he does not have to suffer any more. he is at peace.
i have deep sorrow for his loved ones as they mourn their loss.

excellent point.

i'll remember the man, not the president.
if i remember the president, the memory would get dicy.

rip

You know, it is one thing to disrespect someone who has died. It is quite another to sit idly by while people beatify someone who did not deserve such honors. I feel sympathy for his family, but the bottom line is that there are those people who feel as though Reagan personally detracted from their quality of life. And while I don't condone celebrating anyone's death, I can understand their anger towards someone they view as a bad person.

I didn't like the man as a president. Never did. I don't celebrate his death either. But I'll be damned if I sit by and listen to how wonderful he was and what great things he did. And the bottom line is this: you can't have it both ways. You can't decry the political hatred of someone and say that now isn't the time for such things while exaggerating all of the political doings of the same person's life. It a cry of hypocrisy. I'm not saying you've done this Tuesday. But I think perhaps you are judging some people unfairly for what they've said in response to others. Granted, a Reagan celebratory party was in bad taste, I'll agree.

Some say that any thread on Reagan is asking for a political discussion, and that simply is not true. My thread, entitled simply, "Nancy Breaks Down," was a statement saying that she finally entered mourning, and what did you all do?

And this forum needed, nay, screamed for yet another Reagan thread. What was the purpose of your previous thread? And in fact what is the purpose of this one?

I think you are a simple troll. Got enough attention yet? Ego stroked enough? Now go to bed.

how the hell can i mourn a guy i never knew? :?

(what the hell everyone else is doing it) you dont have to be hateful and snyde about it though :?

TAR is not being "hateful and snyde" about this, TAR is simply pointing out why he isn't in mourning. Please, drop it, GV, I'd greatly appreciate it.[/quote]

fah hm... i wonder but green is my favorite color!!!!

thunderland, that post was incredible.

kudos to you, and amen to that.

You know, it is one thing to disrespect someone who has died. It is quite another to sit idly by while people beatify someone who did not deserve such honors. I feel sympathy for his family, but the bottom line is that there are those people who feel as though Reagan personally detracted from their quality of life. And while I don't condone celebrating anyone's death, I can understand their anger towards someone they view as a bad person.

I didn't like the man as a president. Never did. I don't celebrate his death either. But I'll be damned if I sit by and listen to how wonderful he was and what great things he did. And the bottom line is this: you can't have it both ways. You can't decry the political hatred of someone and say that now isn't the time for such things while exaggerating all of the political doings of the same person's life. It a cry of hypocrisy. I'm not saying you've done this Tuesday. But I think perhaps you are judging some people unfairly for what they've said in response to others. Granted, a Reagan celebratory party was in bad taste, I'll agree.
Is it not human tradition to remember a man who's accepted as a great man to be remembered as a great man?

Nah, throw it all away and remember the bad things about him. THAT'LL inspire the youth!

But I don't want to argue. Let it be

gah! why do i always come out looking like the asshole? :cry:

And the bottom line is this: you can't have it both ways. You can't decry the political hatred of someone and say that now isn't the time for such things while exaggerating all of the political doings of the same person's life.

You're right, and I'm not saying that we should only be allowed to say good things about him or vice versa. What I'm saying is, it's not the time for this either way.

If Reagan was any one of your father's, you'd be singing a different tune.

gah! why do i always come out looking like the asshole? :cry:

i apologize in advance for temporarily hijacking the thread. i couldn't resist.

*runs over to GV and hugs*

So he ended a conflict between two authoritarian capitalist empires who argued over whether capital should be owned by the government or business owners? So what. I don't see what was so great about that.

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And this forum needed, nay, screamed for yet another Reagan thread. What was the purpose of your previous thread?

Yes, it did, as this was finally showing that Nancy - after being strong all week - broke down and began the mourning process, as people do when those close to them die.

And in fact what is the purpose of this one?

This thread is to point out how ignorant, hateful, and indecent some of the forum goers have been in the last few days.

It was new news. Simple as that. Purpose was to point out Nancy had finall

I think you are a simple troll. Got enough attention yet? Ego stroked enough? Now go to bed.

Nice, a flame, you've been reported for such.

Some say that any thread on Reagan is asking for a political discussion, and that simply is not true. My thread, entitled simply, "Nancy Breaks Down," was a statement saying that she finally entered mourning, and what did you all do?

And this forum needed, nay, screamed for yet another Reagan thread. What was the purpose of your previous thread? And in fact what is the purpose of this one?

I think you are a simple troll. Got enough attention yet? Ego stroked enough? Now go to bed.
If your going to call someone a troll, at least don't troll in the same post. :o

gah! why do i always come out looking like the asshole? :cry:

i apologize in advance for temporarily hijacking the thread. i couldn't resist.

*runs over to GV and hugs*

:D i just love seeing how many different colors there are :D

So he ended a conflict between two authoritarian capitalist empires who argued over whether capital should be owned by the government or business owners? So what. I don't see what was so great about that.

gah! why do i always come out looking like the asshole? :cry:

i apologize in advance for temporarily hijacking the thread. i couldn't resist.

*runs over to GV and hugs*

:D i just love seeing how many different colors there are :D

I warned everyone, don't hijack this thread, I'm not in the mood, and it will be reported.

You know, it is one thing to disrespect someone who has died. It is quite another to sit idly by while people beatify someone who did not deserve such honors. I feel sympathy for his family, but the bottom line is that there are those people who feel as though Reagan personally detracted from their quality of life. And while I don't condone celebrating anyone's death, I can understand their anger towards someone they view as a bad person.

I didn't like the man as a president. Never did. I don't celebrate his death either. But I'll be damned if I sit by and listen to how wonderful he was and what great things he did. And the bottom line is this: you can't have it both ways. You can't decry the political hatred of someone and say that now isn't the time for such things while exaggerating all of the political doings of the same person's life. It a cry of hypocrisy. I'm not saying you've done this Tuesday. But I think perhaps you are judging some people unfairly for what they've said in response to others. Granted, a Reagan celebratory party was in bad taste, I'll agree.
Is it not human tradition to remember a man who's accepted as a great man to be remembered as a great man?

Nah, throw it all away and remember the bad things about him. THAT'LL inspire the youth!

But I don't want to argue. Let it be


The great man title is a farce. Just because a whole crapload of sheep trumpet the same bogus party line doesn't make it true.

The youth you want to be inspired don't read these forums, thanks be to ghod.

If you didn't want an argument you shouldn't have posted.

gah! why do i always come out looking like the asshole? :cry:

i apologize in advance for temporarily hijacking the thread. i couldn't resist.

*runs over to GV and hugs*

:D i just love seeing how many different colors there are :D

oh really?

If you didn't want an argument you shouldn't have posted.

That's the point; nobody wants to argue, if we wanted to argue, we would've stated that intent. Keep politics out of this thread, or I will report you again for doing so.

So he ended a conflict between two authoritarian capitalist empires who argued over whether capital should be owned by the government or business owners? So what. I don't see what was so great about that.

gah! why do i always come out looking like the asshole? :cry:

i apologize in advance for temporarily hijacking the thread. i couldn't resist.

*runs over to GV and hugs*

:D i just love seeing how many different colors there are :D

I warned everyone, don't hijack this thread, I'm not in the mood, and it will be reported.

You're not in the mood? ::sigh:: Who died and made you forum nazi?

You know, it is one thing to disrespect someone who has died. It is quite another to sit idly by while people beatify someone who did not deserve such honors. I feel sympathy for his family, but the bottom line is that there are those people who feel as though Reagan personally detracted from their quality of life. And while I don't condone celebrating anyone's death, I can understand their anger towards someone they view as a bad person.

I didn't like the man as a president. Never did. I don't celebrate his death either. But I'll be damned if I sit by and listen to how wonderful he was and what great things he did. And the bottom line is this: you can't have it both ways. You can't decry the political hatred of someone and say that now isn't the time for such things while exaggerating all of the political doings of the same person's life. It a cry of hypocrisy. I'm not saying you've done this Tuesday. But I think perhaps you are judging some people unfairly for what they've said in response to others. Granted, a Reagan celebratory party was in bad taste, I'll agree.
Is it not human tradition to remember a man who's accepted as a great man to be remembered as a great man?

Nah, throw it all away and remember the bad things about him. THAT'LL inspire the youth!

But I don't want to argue. Let it be


The great man title is a farce. Just because a whole crapload of sheep trumpet the same bogus party line doesn't make it true.

The youth you want to be inspired don't read these forums, thanks be to ghod.

If you didn't want an argument you shouldn't have posted.
TA-DA! You just screwed that post over yourself for I am the American youth

And in any case, this is a Pro-Reagan thread, not anti. I could go on and on why you are being the same sheep as anyone else, but in respect for the wishes of TH, I won't.

gah! why do i always come out looking like the asshole? :cry:

i apologize in advance for temporarily hijacking the thread. i couldn't resist.

*runs over to GV and hugs*

:D i just love seeing how many different colors there are :D

oh really?

really.... :D

Who cares what Nancy Reagan is doing? Does the being watched never end for her?

(Some of) the Republicans are trying to make Reagan into a God. We cannot just let them do that.

There are a zillion reasons why Reagan is not a God. Many of us could list, if we thought about it and understood the ramifications of his policies, a way we were each adversely affected by this man. We won't be silent, and we can't reasonably be expected to be. I suppose, if it's tried hard enough, we could be bullied. How very Reaganesque.

You're not in the mood? ::sigh:: Who died and made you forum nazi?
Read the first post of the thread and it seems like he's been driven to it.

You're not in the mood? ::sigh:: Who died and made you forum nazi?

This is my thread, addressing a serious issue, and you're making a farce out of it. Stop. Now. Please.

TH-

i really like and respect this thread. good honor, good intention. i thank you for posting the initial post, as i've been trying to formulate exactly what you said.

but need we call attention to nancy's mourning? it just seems a bit unneccisary, as many of the reagan threads ahve been this week.
the most respect i think we can pay her is to not speculate and talk about her mourning in an online forum. i doubt she would appreciate it, no matter what the intentions are, good or bad.
but that's done. that's over and locked.

my respects are paid to reagan the man and best of wishes to his friends and family.


i just wish the reagan threads would go away.
people every day are going into supreme angst and sorrow over loss of their loved ones... not just reagan.
they aren't remembered.

Reagan ended the Cold War and got rid of the Soviet Union. If he didn't end it then, it would possibly have ended up as total nuclear war later, meaning the end of world.

So in short, because of him, all your base still belongs to you.

And the bottom line is this: you can't have it both ways. You can't decry the political hatred of someone and say that now isn't the time for such things while exaggerating all of the political doings of the same person's life.

You're right, and I'm not saying that we should only be allowed to say good things about him or vice versa. What I'm saying is, it's not the time for this either way.

If Reagan was any one of your father's, you'd be singing a different tune.

Thank you for your comment Avia.

Tuesday, I understand what you are saying but its a hollow plea if you do not also chastise those who are taking this time to worship Reagan. Its time for calmer minds to prevail and allow the family to fade into the sunset before the mudslingers come out on both sides to take their shots. You're only scolding people who've had negative to say. Why not take a bolder step and do the same to those who have posted threads about how Reagan singlehandedly ended Communism while boosting the economy and made the world a better place?

I'll be an adult and step up to the podium out of respect for your topic. I'm sure everyone realizes my opinion of Reagan as a president and politician. So instead of that, let me recount a memory of him as a person. After I finished basic in 89, we had an unexpected surprise visitor: Mr. Reagan himself. I never got to meet him because I was on leave to visit my parents at the time. But I'll never forget hearing about the visit from friends of mine. Democrat or Republican, like him or hate him, everyone who had the chance to meet him seemed to feel better about simply being an American. The charisma he exuded was infectious and I'm sorry to say that I never was able to see it firsthand.

Reagan ended the Cold War and got rid of the Soviet Union. If he didn't end it then, it would possibly have ended up as total nuclear war later, meaning the end of world.

So in short, because of him, all your base still belongs to you.

i couldnt have said it better myself :D

Reagan ended the Cold War and got rid of the Soviet Union. If he didn't end it then, it would possibly have ended up as total nuclear war later, meaning the end of world.

So in short, because of him, all your base still belongs to you.

Why do people keep underwriting the man who really did most of the work in ending the Cold War, albeit accidentally? Mikhail Gorbachev did far more than Reagan ever did, thanks largely to his reforms. And at any rate, the threat of nuclear war had largely subsided at that time period and most historians agree now that the USSR could not have lasted another two decades even if Gorbachev and Reagan had not done anything.

You're not in the mood? ::sigh:: Who died and made you forum nazi?

This is my thread, addressing a serious issue, and you're making a farce out of it. Stop. Now. Please.

So using that logic:

Do not reply to a post unless you agree with it?

If that's the way this forum works then please report me again. I'd like to have a cordial chat with the moderators.

And BTW I was not making a farce of anything. You did that all by your self. I'm dead serious.

Reagan ended the Cold War and got rid of the Soviet Union. If he didn't end it then, it would possibly have ended up as total nuclear war later, meaning the end of world.

So in short, because of him, all your base still belongs to you.

Why do people keep underwriting the man who really did most of the work in ending the Cold War, albeit accidentally? Mikhail Gorbachev did far more than Reagan ever did, thanks largely to his reforms. And at any rate, the threat of nuclear war had largely subsided at that time period and most historians agree now that the USSR could not have lasted another two decades even if Gorbachev and Reagan had not done anything.
that's two decades people. Two decades. You'll still be fearing communists right now. That's 80 years men, women, and children. 80 years of the threat of a nuclear war.

Don't tell me the threat won't be there.

Tuesday, I understand what you are saying but its a hollow plea if you do not also chastise those who are taking this time to worship Reagan.

In the post you quoted, I did say it wasn't the time for either side to be politicizing this.

Do not reply to a post unless you agree with it?.

I never said that. I'm saying, keep this thread on topic, not politicizing it as you and countless others are doing. Why can't you get that?

that's two decades people. Two decades. You'll still be fearing communists right now. That's 80 years men, women, and children. 80 years of the threat of a nuclear war.

Don't tell me the threat won't be there. The threat of nuclear war will always be there as long as two or more nations possess such weapons.

Two decades is not a lot historically, and if you look i said "could NOT have lasted another two decades." Either way, Gorbachev still was the person who brought down the Cold war the msot, not Reagan. You should be paying some respects to him.

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that's two decades people. Two decades. You'll still be fearing communists right now. That's 80 years men, women, and children. 80 years of the threat of a nuclear war.

Don't tell me the threat won't be there. The threat of nuclear war will always be there as long as two or more nations possess such weapons.

Two decades is not a lot historically, and if you look i said "could NOT have lasted another two decades." Either way, Gorbachev still was the person who brought down the Cold war the msot, not Reagan. You should be paying some respects to him.
Who says I don't respect him? He has done great things as well.

By your words, the USSR could have lasted another 19 years, 354 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds. Roughly, that's 20 years.

When he's all dead and gone, he'll receive the same respect as Reagan did in my mind.

Tuesday, I understand what you are saying but its a hollow plea if you do not also chastise those who are taking this time to worship Reagan.

In the post you quoted, I did say it wasn't the time for either side to be politicizing this.

Yes, I realize that, but I was trying to point out how different your appeal was for one to the other. But hey, c'mon people, I think Tuesday is being pretty civil in requesting a stay on topic here.

Why don't we all forget politics here and just share some memories of Reagan as a person? I'm sure some of you can share something?

Who says I don't respect him? He has done great things as well.

When he's all dead and gone, he'll receive the same respect as Reagan did in my mind. That sounds perfectly fair to me. Thank you.

all people that like Communism or Soviet Union may say "Good riddance!" Or any other "flaming" because what respect do they need to show? Curse and laugh and flame the man all you want because he is the cause that the Union collasped in the arms race. Those that are glad he did all that, then go ahead and defend him pointlessly, for you will never stop the "flamage"

furthermore Stop the "Its just a game" or the "Get a Life" stuff, the games point is to debate and its in the general forum, its a FORUM, not a game at this point its a chat room. Jeeezeee and the Get a Life stuff, well what the hell how many times have you bashed sometihng or done anything wrong or sinful or any of that christian or jewish or hindish or religionous whatever however where ever crap

let the bashing go, i do not think i would like the Soivet Union being in existence, but just because i feel very petty i am gonna say this.

F Ronald Reagon and look at my SMILE PEOPLE! look at my smile! :D :D :D look at it you little bleeding hearts, Look!

and too those who bash reagon or wahtever his name is....

He ruined your soviet union with lies! they believed it and did what they knew they couldnt, no more communison this man bested your beliefs! Hahahahahaa look at me laugh in your face HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol: :lol: :lol: oh oh my, how about some russian vodka to pour in your wounds oh ho ho ho oh hah ha ha ha ha haa! this must be christmas cause all the Soviet orphans are crying in the snow! HAHAHahahahahhaha!!!

Avia!

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