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Reagan used aids as a silent holocaust against gays

MKULTRA
11-06-2004, 03:10
*there can be no other explanation for why he did nothing for 8 years in the face of a worldwide epidemic

AMY GOODMAN: At the Third International Conference on AIDS in Washington. Present at the address was Andy Humm, co-host of "Gay U.S.A.," the weekly gay and AIDS news program for the last two decades. He's the director of education at the Headrick Martin Institute for Lesbian and Gay Youth, which in 1986s started one of the first AIDS education programs in the country. He joins us now.
ANDY HUMM: That was back then. I left Headrick Martin in 1995. But Ronald Reagan was either one of the stupidest or most evil people ever to hold this office. If you just look at this crisis alone, which now is affecting 70 million people around the globe, this guy just sat on his hands and let this thing get out of control. I mean, you know, even from a conservative point of view, this is something that the world can't handle now, and you know, it's because he hated gay people and he hated people of color.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you explain?

ANDY HUMM: Well, explain? The chain of events. The first reports we had of AIDS were in 1981. Reagan was already president. And this came from the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report that a strange cancer was being seen in gay people. Nothing was done about it. I mean, we had legionnaire's disease. Just a little bit before that and it was front page news. The press of course was complicit in this. The Times did another story in 1981 and didn't do another story for a couple of years. It's funny, when Reagan's four-page owe bit was done in the Times, there was no mention of the AIDS crisis. Somebody said: "Well, the Times must have constructed it from their own clips, because they didn't cover the AIDS crisis in those days." There was a lot of blame to go around, but this was the president of the United States. We looked at old press conferences; they made jokes about AIDS in the press conferences. This included the press and press spokespersons. But finally in 1987, six-and-a-half years in the crisis, he gives a speech at a fund-raiser, and a lot of us were, like, really hopeful: "Okay, finally, we're being devastated by this. Our friends are dying, nobody understands. Nobody knows what's going on, it was like living in two worlds!" We're hopeful that he's going to come up with something that the world is going to get moving on this and he started lapsing into this right wing stuff about we need to mandatorily test people in prison. This kind of stuff. We started booing, and it was a great release. We realized that he wasn't going to change anything or address it. This -- guys just standing there befuddled, why am i here. Why am I being booed. I'm a good man. He's completely out of it. I don't remember another instance as president where he was put in the position where he was booed. Was it good for him.

AMY GOODMAN: Of course, we have now George Bush, who many believe is closest in legacy to Ronald Reagan. He has mentioned AIDS quite often in several of his speeches and State of the Union Addresses but specifically in terms of Africa, and it's been largely talk, hasn't it?

ANDY HUMM: Exactly. The money is not getting to the people. We have drugs that are helping a lot of people in this country live a more sustained lives on AIDS. It's not a cure. But -- we could get these drugs to relatively easily to people around the globe. It can be done, and we won't do it. We're still concentrating on things like abstinence programs and this stuff. The right wing agenda is being run. The money is not being rolled out. He likes to say the word, AIDS, Bush, so it gets you to feel he's more compassionate. Folks don't buy it. It's not happening, and it's got to happen or millions of people are going to die.

AMY GOODMAN: Andy Hum, what is being done at the time as we continue the series, remembering the dead, looking at the 1908's from Central America to Afghanistan, Grenada, now here at home with AIDS. In the Gay community, in the progressive community in this country to get the Reagan administration to deal with AIDS?

ANDY HUMM: Well, I mean, nobody was listening. I mean, you know, even here in New York City, Ed Koch wasn't listening. And of course he's a great defender of Reagan's. He was complicit in that. They did ironically have a surgeon general, Everett Koop who was appointed because he was an anti-abortion zealot and a lot of us opposed him. He really tried to get the word -- because he's a doctor. He knew this was a medical crisis. He eventually did write a pamphlet that was distributed to Americans, again, very late. You have to remember the time, who was the domestic policy adviser? Gary Bower, who was a complete fringe nut character, who was the communications director? Pat Buchanan. These people are maniacs. The only thing that makes me feel good at this point is that Reagan is dead and Larry Kramer is still alive, who has had AIDS for 20 years.

AMY GOODMAN: The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, and other L.G.B.T. Civil rights groups will be closed on Friday to protest what they're calling Reagan's lack of respect for people with AIDS.

ANDY HUMM: Yeah, people want to send condolences, send them to the families of people who died of AIDS. That's what you should be doing this week.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to thank you for being with us. Andy Humm.

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11-06-2004, 03:18
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Yavastakia
11-06-2004, 03:48
That's funny...I see no mention of the $2.7 billion Reagan spent on AIDS research during the 1980's.

But please, do continue your stand-up comedy act. Its sickeningly hilarious.
Vorringia
11-06-2004, 03:52
MKULTRA has nothing better to do than attempt to demean the legacy of Reagan. Its sad...especially since nothing is sticking...
Red Guard Revisionists
11-06-2004, 03:54
That's funny...I see no mention of the $2.7 billion Reagan spent on AIDS research during the 1980's.

But please, do continue your stand-up comedy act. Its sickeningly hilarious.

i didn't know reagan had that kinda money...

oh you mean the money he wasn't able to prevent the congress from appropriating for aids research.
JiangGuo
11-06-2004, 04:00
I'm certainly no fan of Ronald Reagan or his policies. However, you should get your facts straight before unleashing anything like this. If anything, to stop supplying the Ultra-Right with ammuniton about all of us liberals being idiotic and biased.

JiangGuo
JiangGuo
11-06-2004, 04:03
Oh, BTW. Its sickening to blast a man who died recently and isn't even buried yet.
CannibalChrist
11-06-2004, 04:06
Oh, BTW. Its sickening to blast a man who died recently and isn't even buried yet.


heck we haven't even sent him to hell yet, he's still in processing.
Sylvanius
11-06-2004, 04:07
Reagan did what he could how he wanted to, just like Bush does. These aren't evil men that take office wringing their hands thinking of world domination, they're just elitists in power (who got put there through a tried and true system, like it or not). Reagan took office, so he did what he could, focused on what he wanted. AIDS happened... oh well... AIDS along with the rest of those sorts of STDS are caused by negligence - the irresponsibility to be sure of one's sexual health, their partner's, and the mutual protection thereof. Gay or not, if you or someone you know has AIDS, there's a pretty good chance it's your/their fault.

Yeah, by the way, thanks for respecting and honoring the dead with that blast - you sure picked a great time to liken an American President unto the most notorious dictator of our time. What next? Ray Charles started the King Riots by being African American? C'mon.

Don't ignore that people died from AIDS - yes, it's terrible. People dying is bad thing. But then again, humanity isn't above killing and letting others die yet - it's not a step for which humanity will be ready for a while. Be realistic.
MKULTRA
11-06-2004, 04:07
Oh, BTW. Its sickening to blast a man who died recently and isn't even buried yet.


heck we haven't even sent him to hell yet, he's still in processing. :lol:
MKULTRA
11-06-2004, 04:11
how long does someone have to be dead before people can start tellin the truth about them?
Yavastakia
11-06-2004, 04:23
how long does someone have to be dead before people can start tellin the truth about them?

Dunno...but I'm still waiting for you to begin telling the truth.
Alfred Packer
11-06-2004, 04:31
oh you mean the money he wasn't able to prevent the congress from appropriating for aids research.[/quote]



Well let's see Reagan shut down the government by refusing to sign spending budgets. Stopped all the spending he wanted to.

Kind of sad what gays have to go through because all the extremist have to do is show someone like you.
MKULTRA
11-06-2004, 04:35
if Reagan lived in the middle ages he never woulda funded a cure for the plague
Avia
11-06-2004, 04:38
im no reagan fan, but i couldnt read that without laughing and getting sick to my stomach. that is so incredibly biased and not based on fact... i certainly hope you don't believe that.
i give this the "moo award", for it truly is bull...
Berkylvania
11-06-2004, 04:39
Er, I wasn't aware anyone found a "cure" for the Plauge of the Middle Ages. If I remember correctly, it just had to run it's course.
Ashmoria
11-06-2004, 04:45
well it can be abated a bit with prompt treatment with antibiotics but we get a few cases here in new mexico every year and a good percentage of cases are fatal
CannibalChrist
11-06-2004, 04:54
Er, I wasn't aware anyone found a "cure" for the Plauge of the Middle Ages. If I remember correctly, it just had to run it's course.

well we had a cure in heaven, but with all the schisms and heresies and schism, well we just figured we'd keep it to ourselves.
CannibalChrist
11-06-2004, 04:57
oh you mean the money he wasn't able to prevent the congress from appropriating for aids research.



Well let's see Reagan shut down the government by refusing to sign spending budgets. Stopped all the spending he wanted to.

Kind of sad what gays have to go through because all the extremist have to do is show someone like you.

hmmm.... meant to be a biting critique, ended up a confusing ramble :roll:
Berkylvania
11-06-2004, 04:58
Er, I wasn't aware anyone found a "cure" for the Plauge of the Middle Ages. If I remember correctly, it just had to run it's course.

well we had a cure in heaven, but with all the schisms and heresies and schism, well we just figured we'd keep it to ourselves.

Er, could we possibly set up a trade? I promise to pray really, REALLY hard and you give us the cures for the Plauge, AIDS and cancer?
CannibalChrist
11-06-2004, 04:59
Er, I wasn't aware anyone found a "cure" for the Plauge of the Middle Ages. If I remember correctly, it just had to run it's course.

well we had a cure in heaven, but with all the schisms and heresies and schism, well we just figured we'd keep it to ourselves.

Er, could we possibly set up a trade? I promise to pray really, REALLY hard and you give us the cures for the Plauge, AIDS and cancer?


meh... you guys start sacrificing your first born, maybe we'll talk.
New Foxxinnia
11-06-2004, 05:00
Dude, AIDS has been around since the 1930's.
Berkylvania
11-06-2004, 05:00
Er, I wasn't aware anyone found a "cure" for the Plauge of the Middle Ages. If I remember correctly, it just had to run it's course.

well we had a cure in heaven, but with all the schisms and heresies and schism, well we just figured we'd keep it to ourselves.

Er, could we possibly set up a trade? I promise to pray really, REALLY hard and you give us the cures for the Plauge, AIDS and cancer?


meh... you guys start sacrificing your first born, maybe we'll talk.

Well, I don't have any children as of yet, so perhaps you'll accept my guinea pig as down payment?
Erinin
11-06-2004, 05:01
Oh, BTW. Its sickening to blast a man who died recently and isn't even buried yet.
:!: exactly :!:
CannibalChrist
11-06-2004, 05:03
Well, I don't have any children as of yet, so perhaps you'll accept my guinea pig as down payment?

well animal sacrifice would be a nice start... no chickens though, you don't see it doing the carribean much good.
Berkylvania
11-06-2004, 05:04
Well, I don't have any children as of yet, so perhaps you'll accept my guinea pig as down payment?

well animal sacrifice would be a nice start... no chickens though, you don't see it doing the carribean much good.

Good point.

When can I expect delivery?
CannibalChrist
11-06-2004, 05:09
Well, I don't have any children as of yet, so perhaps you'll accept my guinea pig as down payment?

well animal sacrifice would be a nice start... no chickens though, you don't see it doing the carribean much good.

Good point.

When can I expect delivery?


now now, ya gotta have faith, even if we don't deliver, that's the way the game is played.
MKULTRA
11-06-2004, 06:10
Dude, AIDS has been around since the 1930's.huh?
Ekardia
11-06-2004, 06:20
your sick :evil:
Hakartopia
11-06-2004, 06:37
Dude, AIDS has been around since the 1930's.huh?

Are you saying you have difficulty comprehending this sentence?

Besides, why didn't you post this all a month ago?
Revolutionsz
11-06-2004, 07:26
I wish you would not try to wrongly blast the dignity of a dead man like that. That is rude and in very bad taste.
Yeah...but...
I wish I could wrongly blast the dignity of Osama....

Is he dead yet?
La Verdad
11-06-2004, 07:36
I know that it is in bad taste to bash people who recently died, but does that leave us to sit back while people don't report the truth about someone, and create an angel or god out of the person? If republicans want to create a savior out of reagan and hope that lefties won't respond, they are mistaken. Watching the news coverage of reagan's funeral and other ceremonies are sickening, but don't worry, no one will bash reagan on the mainstream media since is few and far between they have interviewed someone who isn't a diciple of or worked for the reagan administration.

One example (from fair.org):
"Ronald Reagan was the most popular president ever to leave office,"
explained ABC anchor Elizabeth Vargas (6/6/04). "His approval ratings were higher than any other at the end of his second term." Though the claim was repeated by many news outlets, it is not true; Bill Clinton's approval ratings when he left office were actually higher than Reagan's, at 66 percent versus Reagan's 63 percent (Gallup, 1/10-14/01). Franklin Delano Roosevelt also topped Reagan with a 66 percent approval rating at the time of his death in office after three and a half terms.

I'm not a fan of John Kerry, but I can't sit back and watch Bush win a second term because he paints himself as the new Reagan, when the image of the old Reagan was based on lies and misinformation (you know what lies and misinformation is, right? like what the war in iraq was based on)
MKULTRA
12-06-2004, 09:44
Dude, AIDS has been around since the 1930's.huh?

Are you saying you have difficulty comprehending this sentence?

Besides, why didn't you post this all a month ago?because people were waiting for Reagan to die before they can make these posts
MKULTRA
12-06-2004, 09:46
I know that it is in bad taste to bash people who recently died, but does that leave us to sit back while people don't report the truth about someone, and create an angel or god out of the person? If republicans want to create a savior out of reagan and hope that lefties won't respond, they are mistaken. Watching the news coverage of reagan's funeral and other ceremonies are sickening, but don't worry, no one will bash reagan on the mainstream media since is few and far between they have interviewed someone who isn't a diciple of or worked for the reagan administration.

One example (from fair.org):
"Ronald Reagan was the most popular president ever to leave office,"
explained ABC anchor Elizabeth Vargas (6/6/04). "His approval ratings were higher than any other at the end of his second term." Though the claim was repeated by many news outlets, it is not true; Bill Clinton's approval ratings when he left office were actually higher than Reagan's, at 66 percent versus Reagan's 63 percent (Gallup, 1/10-14/01). Franklin Delano Roosevelt also topped Reagan with a 66 percent approval rating at the time of his death in office after three and a half terms.

I'm not a fan of John Kerry, but I can't sit back and watch Bush win a second term because he paints himself as the new Reagan, when the image of the old Reagan was based on lies and misinformation (you know what lies and misinformation is, right? like what the war in iraq was based on)exactly--its not so much about "Reagan bashing" it more a statement of disgust at the way americas rightwing media rapes the truth on a daily basis
NewXmen
12-06-2004, 09:59
That's funny...I see no mention of the $2.7 billion Reagan spent on AIDS research during the 1980's.

But please, do continue your stand-up comedy act. Its sickeningly hilarious.

Really? I thought he and the congress spent closer to 6 billion.
Tygaland
12-06-2004, 10:09
exactly--its not so much about "Reagan bashing" it more a statement of disgust at the way americas rightwing media rapes the truth on a daily basis

See original post for raping the truth...
Quelzatchican
12-06-2004, 10:46
if Reagan lived in the middle ages he never woulda funded a cure for the plague

A cure for the plague is a very poor comparison to the potential cure for AIDS...

Conventional medicine was virtually unrecognisable in medieval times. For the most part, the closest things to curative doctors would be apothecaries that dealt in herbs and charms rooted more in superstition then established fact.

I don't think it wasn't really until the 12th and 13th centuries that medical schools began to pop up in medieval Europe. Successful healing methods came mostly from common sense like a balanced diet, adequate rest and proper sanitation -- things inaccessible to most citizens.

With the devastation of plagues (of numerous varieties, each potentially requiring its own cure) on Europe there was indeed an interest in curing it, no real cure could be found. The technology wasn't there, and really didn't begin to fully develop until the very late Renaissance.

But I mean, that's stupid. How could he cure the plague. Why wouldn't he want to? When you villanize Republicans you're just as bad or worse then they are.
Superpower07
12-06-2004, 13:16
Meh, more pointless bashing, courtesy of MKULTRA
Yugolsavia
12-06-2004, 16:03
This is a thread full of falesy because:
A) AIDS effects everyone
B) Ronald Regan had Altimerze (which is a horrible sickness) so he could not have thought of something that complexed
C) I don't think he would even do that
D) would yyou really like to think the goverment is a evil orginization bent on destroying all minoritys.
E) It would have gone out and Ronnie would be screwed in the polls
F) that would be carrer suicide
G) we live in a democracy and what you have been describing is that we live in a secret fasciest Nazi dictatorship
and finally
H) it seems you are calling conservitives stupid in your post but how can we be stupid and evil genusis at the same time. Pick one.

Need I go on.
MKULTRA
12-06-2004, 20:56
Meh, more pointless bashing, courtesy of MKULTRAall my bashing makes a point
MKULTRA
12-06-2004, 21:00
This is a thread full of falesy because:
A) AIDS effects everyone
B) Ronald Regan had Altimerze (which is a horrible sickness) so he could not have thought of something that complexed
C) I don't think he would even do that
D) would yyou really like to think the goverment is a evil orginization bent on destroying all minoritys.
E) It would have gone out and Ronnie would be screwed in the polls
F) that would be carrer suicide
G) we live in a democracy and what you have been describing is that we live in a secret fasciest Nazi dictatorship
and finally
H) it seems you are calling conservitives stupid in your post but how can we be stupid and evil genusis at the same time. Pick one.

Need I go on.theyre evil geniuses who hide behind stupid (Bush) and senile (Reagan) people