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anyone who has strong opinions on any issue is bound to make strong statements that could offend someone elses sensibilitys--well too bad. Why should people refrain from making powerful statements just because the weakest among us may be shrinking violets terrified that some words may jump off the screen and strangle them? The idea of "trolling" is just another politically correct attempt at forcing neo victorian values of non offensiveness on us all to the extent that all opinions become just watered down sanitized pablum--its only when peoples passions are stirred that people are compelled to question some of their prior held assumptions. The cult of over- sensivitity are psychic vampires trying to steal the passion from our lives

So, statements like, "ALL JEWS ARE MONSTERS AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THE NAZIS" are perfectly alright with you?

Actually, "trolling" is being a general jackass and trying to force your opinions onto others, even if they've been disproven.

So, statements like, "ALL JEWS ARE MONSTERS AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THE NAZIS" are perfectly alright with you?I dont agree with it but if someone really believes this dont you think that them sayin it this way cuts thru alot of the BS and lets you know exactly what they think?

So then Greater Valia should have won the 'Troll of the Year' award?
Ha! I knew that award show was rigged more than the MTV movie awards.

to add to the definition of "trolling," it is saying things that are purposefully offensive. There's a difference between "opinion" and "insult"

Actually, "trolling" is being a general jackass and trying to force your opinions onto others, even if they've been disproven.well that definition of trolling I can agree with--but then alot of people here misuse the word trolling to attack any strongly worded opinion

to add to the definition of "trolling," it is saying things that are purposefully offensive. There's a difference between "opinion" and "insult"Ok I can buy that but its also fair game to insult a public figure

When you back it up with facts, yes

And a "strongly worded opinion" can very easily be the person giving it acting like a jackass. He/she just doesn't neccisarily see it ;)

Trolling - a statement intended to offend a group of people
Flamebaiting - similar to trolling, flamebaiting is intended to offend one or more people (usually users of the site)

Opinions are welcome on this site. Making blanket statements condoning genocide are a different matter. However, each case is unique and the mods handle each individually.

When you back it up with facts, yes

And a "strongly worded opinion" can very easily be the person giving it acting like a jackass. He/she just doesn't neccisarily see it ;)possibley--or it can just be someone who feels deeply about what theyre saying and their anger seeps thru...

So then Greater Valia should have won the 'Troll of the Year' award?
Ha! I knew that award show was rigged more than the MTV movie awards.I agree

Trolling - a statement intended to offend a group of people
Flamebaiting - similar to trolling, flamebaiting is intended to offend one or more people (usually users of the site)

Opinions are welcome on this site. Making blanket statements condoning genocide are a different matter. However, each case is unique and the mods handle each individually.But what if a group of people deserve to be offended?and I dont believe in genocide but what if a pro-genocidal person wanted to make a point based on their own values?unless people are allowed to unleash very unpopular opinions then they will just go underground with their beliefs and itll come out in far more destructive ways

trolling is when you have a strongly worded opinion against something i believe in

just like pervs are people who do stuff i dont do

i see nothing wrong with being provocative, it makes things lively
but some people just post trash in order to make the weaker minded readers go nutz responding to it.

id just let it go and watch the heads explode but i guess it can make for a rather rancorous forum.

trolling is when you have a strongly worded opinion against something i believe in

just like pervs are people who do stuff i dont do

i see nothing wrong with being provocative, it makes things lively
but some people just post trash in order to make the weaker minded readers go nutz responding to it.

id just let it go and watch the heads explode but i guess it can make for a rather rancorous forum.rancour=life

So, statements like, "ALL JEWS ARE MONSTERS AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THE NAZIS" are perfectly alright with you?I dont agree with it but if someone really believes this dont you think that them sayin it this way cuts thru alot of the BS and lets you know exactly what they think?

Yes but its a question of Spam. You know this person is a jackass. But even if you ignore them that person will probably keep posting it and disrupting the conversation. We only organised an ignore once, For Christofi. It worked, but none of us enjoyed the unpleasantness.

There aint nuthin wrong with a little civility. I think trolling and ranting are related.

So, statements like, "ALL JEWS ARE MONSTERS AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THE NAZIS" are perfectly alright with you?I dont agree with it but if someone really believes this dont you think that them sayin it this way cuts thru alot of the BS and lets you know exactly what they think?

Yes but its a question of Spam. You know this person is a jackass. But even if you ignore them that person will probably keep posting it and disrupting the conversation. We only organised an ignore once, For Christofi. It worked, but none of us enjoyed the unpleasantness.

There aint nuthin wrong with a little civility.I agree with civility but some people here confuse controversy itself with trolling

Trolling - a statement intended to offend a group of people
Flamebaiting - similar to trolling, flamebaiting is intended to offend one or more people (usually users of the site)

Opinions are welcome on this site. Making blanket statements condoning genocide are a different matter. However, each case is unique and the mods handle each individually.But what if a group of people deserve to be offended?and I dont believe in genocide but what if a pro-genocidal person wanted to make a point based on their own values?unless people are allowed to unleash very unpopular opinions then they will just go underground with their beliefs and itll come out in far more destructive ways

LOL

I love how you said pro-genocidal person... If they get enough support they'll run in the next election and call themselves the Pro-Gneocidal party.... :lol:

the hard part is that there are serious issues with strong opinions on both sides and any discussion about them will lead to angry comments

thats different from someone posting something outrageous just to get the attention from people who can't help but respond to it.

i just stop reading threads that are either trolling or have stopped advancing the arguement by 2 opposing people insisting on making the same tired points over and over as if the most posts in favor is what wins.

No they just think that its the same thing. I think you are confusing trolling with Flamebait.

they are both "illegal"

or not

all those gay, abortion, bush, kerry etc topics incite very emotional response even when the poster doesnt seem to be trolling

I think There is a fine line between flaimbait and controversy. and flamebait can be a good things as long as It doesnt get out of control.
But what is trolling is clearly defined.

trolling is posting with the intent of causing others to respond in a specific way, generally angrily. the term comes from fishing where you are dragging the bait through the water in an attempt to get something to bite.
you post a topic designed lure your prey into striking at the tasty bait.

flamebait in a little different, its just saying something designed to get someone, often a specific someone to go ballistic. its sort of a virulent subgroup of trolling.

a troll can actually be attempting to spark debate, or explore an issue by taking a bizarre or controversial stance on it, flamebait doesn't have those constructive possibilities.

Damn server... tried to post this ten minutes ago...

In Defense Of The Troll...

Some people on here seem to have a very, in my opinion, negative and limited opinion of what trolling is. Although the term may be equated with just posting flamebait on this board, I still prefer the wider definition which grew out of Usenet -

"To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it."

http://www.houghi.org/jargon/troll.html

Some of the best trolls are the most innocuous ones, such as the (probably apochryphal) "does poetry have to rhyme?" posting that started yearlong flamewars across several poetry newsgroups.

In my opinion there is one very good troll in the general forum these days, and they post under a variety of different names - they make a few slightly dubious statements using nations with dubious names, and then sit back and wait for the rest of the Generalites to make fools of themselves in trying to be the first to deliver slapdowns. A case of giving the unwary just enough rope to hang themselves.

Trolling is not just the crude rantings of disturbed and sociopathic minds, it can also be finely crafted traps for the overhasty and over-opiniated to foul themselves upon. The presence of the moderators, as has been shown recently, means that the merely intentionally offensive (and, as far as I am concerned more boring) posters and quickly shown the door.

Trolls, gawd bless 'em one and all.

Trolling - a statement intended to offend a group of people
Flamebaiting - similar to trolling, flamebaiting is intended to offend one or more people (usually users of the site)

Opinions are welcome on this site. Making blanket statements condoning genocide are a different matter. However, each case is unique and the mods handle each individually.But what if a group of people deserve to be offended?and I dont believe in genocide but what if a pro-genocidal person wanted to make a point based on their own values?unless people are allowed to unleash very unpopular opinions then they will just go underground with their beliefs and itll come out in far more destructive ways

LOL

I love how you said pro-genocidal person... If they get enough support they'll run in the next election and call themselves the Pro-Gneocidal party.... :lol:truth in packaging is a vast improvement over what we have now

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Trolling - a statement intended to offend a group of people
Flamebaiting - similar to trolling, flamebaiting is intended to offend one or more people (usually users of the site)

Opinions are welcome on this site. Making blanket statements condoning genocide are a different matter. However, each case is unique and the mods handle each individually.But what if a group of people deserve to be offended?and I dont believe in genocide but what if a pro-genocidal person wanted to make a point based on their own values?unless people are allowed to unleash very unpopular opinions then they will just go underground with their beliefs and itll come out in far more destructive ways

LOL

I love how you said pro-genocidal person... If they get enough support they'll run in the next election and call themselves the Pro-Gneocidal party.... :lol:truth in packaging is a vast improvement over what we have now

Haha... too true too true...

Damn server... tried to post this ten minutes ago...

In Defense Of The Troll...

Some people on here seem to have a very, in my opinion, negative and limited opinion of what trolling is. Although the term may be equated with just posting flamebait on this board, I still prefer the wider definition which grew out of Usenet -

"To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it."

http://www.houghi.org/jargon/troll.html

Some of the best trolls are the most innocuous ones, such as the (probably apochryphal) "does poetry have to rhyme?" posting that started yearlong flamewars across several poetry newsgroups.

In my opinion there is one very good troll in the general forum these days, and they post under a variety of different names - they make a few slightly dubious statements using nations with dubious names, and then sit back and wait for the rest of the Generalites to make fools of themselves in trying to be the first to deliver slapdowns. A case of giving the unwary just enough rope to hang themselves.

Trolling is not just the crude rantings of disturbed and sociopathic minds, it can also be finely crafted traps for the overhasty and over-opiniated to foul themselves upon. The presence of the moderators, as has been shown recently, means that the merely intentionally offensive (and, as far as I am concerned more boring) posters and quickly shown the door.

Trolls, gawd bless 'em one and all.trolling is like a vetting process

anyone who has strong opinions on any issue is bound to make strong statements that could offend someone elses sensibilitys--well too bad. Why should people refrain from making powerful statements just because the weakest among us may be shrinking violets terrified that some words may jump off the screen and strangle them? The idea of "trolling" is just another politically correct attempt at forcing neo victorian values of non offensiveness on us all to the extent that all opinions become just watered down sanitized pablum--its only when peoples passions are stirred that people are compelled to question some of their prior held assumptions. The cult of over- sensivitity are psychic vampires trying to steal the passion from our lives
THE NAZIS SHOULD HAVE KILLED PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY THE RED ARROW!!!1!!!

j/k :PI defend your right to say this --some explosive statements can even be a form of ART that could have multidimensional meanings--art provokes a response and the response to the art is part of the art-

trolling is like a vetting process

Yeah - if you bite you lose.