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Has Afghanistan got better or worse since the US led invasio

Order From Chaos
10-06-2004, 00:12
3 questions

1) Whats your opinion of has it got better or worse (from the media)

2) has it actually got better or worse

3) whats its future likley to be?


My answers

1) From news along it looks like things have calmed down, no large number or major figure had been assassinated recently for example

2) Harder to judge, people are still being killed both in anti terrorist operation and in warlord clashes, but then they occurred before the invasion. In theory at least most people have far more civil rights now, but wheatear they have the confidence to actually act them out is questionable. How much the 'new' Afghanistan actually means something outside of Kabul.

3) its future is a far more difficult question and I going to answer it in two parts

a) militratary anti terrorist operations, well on the al-queda front they now cannot act in the open and so have been forced to move their operation else where or indeed suspend them. However major figure have not been found and undoubtedly significant numbers of people who oppose the new regime remain. If the US and other allies maintain the campaign for long enough it should be effective, but wheatear they have the national will to do so i don't know.

domestic, well some aspects are undoubtedly looking better, the country is now free to trade with the rest of the world and has had a large amount of aid invested in the country. Their are still problems on this front in their are still a lot of refugees and a lot of starving people. Their is also the problem of people growing drugs to sell them (sensible action from their point of view). Other problems exist in how much control the new government has particularly outside Kabul, if foreign troops remain then i suspect the government will hold on, keep it going for long enough and it should be able to slowly take control of the rest of the country. I suppose in conclusion, at the very least Afghanistan can now actually develop as opposed to being held in place under the taliban.
Dragoneia
10-06-2004, 00:17
Well weren't those war lords beginning to disarm? Also the Afgan Security forces are doing considerably well as far as i know (better than the Iraqi ones any way or so the news makes it look) I wish there would be more knews on afganistan I mean Thats the whole reason we started anything over there.
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10-06-2004, 00:17
Depends on how you look at it. Things are pretty much the same, kabul is alright. But you better not go flaunting taliban beliefs at night. And it would have drawn people out to express themselves against the Taliban culture when they thought things would change. They may have become targets.
Order From Chaos
10-06-2004, 00:20
Well weren't those war lords beginning to disarm? Also the Afgan Security forces are doing considerably well as far as i know (better than the Iraqi ones any way or so the news makes it look) I wish there would be more knews on afganistan I mean Thats the whole reason we started anything over there.
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before righting all this i went and had a look for news rather sadly it was this:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3791183.stm

US raid 'kills 20 Afghan Taleban'
10-06-2004, 00:22
WORSE PULL OUT OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN NOW.


We said we were going into Afghanistan to topple the Taliban and Al-Qaeda... Well why are we still there? The Afghan militia should be able to handle disorganized remnants of the Taliban government.
10-06-2004, 00:26
The problem in Afghanistn is that its not an organised political thing. Its a cultural thing
Order From Chaos
10-06-2004, 00:28
WORSE PULL OUT OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN NOW.


We said we were going into Afghanistan to topple the Taliban and Al-Qaeda... Well why are we still there? The Afghan militia should be able to handle disorganized remnants of the Taliban government.


I'm not sure what your point is?

if you mean you went thier to topple those forces then yes you sucsseded, but to leave the country now would be to leave it in a worse mess than you found it.

and thier is no gaurntee that left to itself the milita could keep the taliban for returning to power.

in both afgainistan and iraq, however bad the situation may be pulling out would be worse

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The problem in Afghanistn is that its not an organised political thing. Its a cultural thing

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I'm not so certain about this afganistan as a state has existed for a very long time. Indeed in the colonial era people had greay loyaltly to it that sucsessull rebelion throught out invader many times (the british)

but your right in saying that this warlord culutre make a cohesive thing hard to define, thier are many similatries between that and any medivall cutlture in europe. (bar the modern arms)

If we wish to leave afganistan as once again a coherent state, then we cannot leave now