NationStates Jolt Archive

Heh....according to what I heard, a British explorer was sent to the island of Australia to claim it for the British so that they could sent all of Britain's worst criminals there.

Well....the criminals were sent to the huge island and were told to do whatever they want. And....they made a friggin nation.

So now I have stereotypical info on the....
Americans
Canadians
British
French
Germans
Russians
and now the Australians.

w00t...go me

Te U.S is decended from British puritans.

Of course the term 'worst criminal' is completely subjective. Many socialists and political agitators who fell foul of the powers that be were also sent there. Not just murders/rapers/etc. were considered as being the worst criminals (until recently simply being a Republican [in the British sense] was considered treason)

Those bloody Australian criminals - they stole our cricketing talent... :wink:

agreed with the "Of course the term 'worst criminal' is completely subjective. Many socialists and political agitators who fell foul of the powers that be were also sent there. Not just murders/rapers/etc. were considered as being the worst criminals (until recently simply being a Republican [in the British sense] was considered treason)" thing

my grand mothers uncle a man from ireland was sent there for such a crime of having different beliefs that where so wrong he led a brigade in the union army agians the south and became a govener of montana!

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/15/1042520653024.html?oneclick=true



Mugabe attacks 'criminal' Australians
January 15 2003





President Robert Mugabe described Australia Tuesday as a nation full of "criminal blood" that was incapable of making a fair decision about World Cup matches due to be played in Zimbabwe.

Speaking during a visit to neighbouring Zambia, Mr Mugabe attacked Canberra's support for a boycott of the games due to be played next month in Harare and Bulawayo.

"Australia has criminal blood," he said. "There are criminals who were shipped to that place and settled there. It is not surprising they are speaking like that." He reiterated Zimbabwe's line during the controversy, accusing Canberra and London of being racist in targeting Zimbabwe for criticism without the backing of non-white cricketing nations like India and Namibia.

``There should be no racism in sport," he said. "They should not mix sports and politics. For sport, people come from different backgrounds and so you can't bring in politics."

It is the "Great Lie" of Mugabe's regime that the current problems in Zimbabwe are the making of "white, neo-colonial" forces.




He plays the race card endlessly, even though the crisis has nothing to do with racism and all to do with a tyrannical African regime looking for scapegoats for its own economic and administrative incompetence.

Mr Mugabe's latest comments were partly intended to show that he was back in charge after rumours of a deal to remove him being brokered by senior members of his ruling Zanu-PF party with the opposition Movement for Democratic Change.

Speculation mounted while he was on holiday in Thailand and Malaysia, but he returned to Harare early this week and was in defiant mode in Lusaka.

"I only heard about that [plan] in the papers. There is absolutely no truth in it," he said.

- Telegraph

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/15/1042520653024.html?oneclick=true



Mugabe attacks 'criminal' Australians
January 15 2003





President Robert Mugabe described Australia Tuesday as a nation full of "criminal blood" that was incapable of making a fair decision about World Cup matches due to be played in Zimbabwe.

Speaking during a visit to neighbouring Zambia, Mr Mugabe attacked Canberra's support for a boycott of the games due to be played next month in Harare and Bulawayo.

"Australia has criminal blood," he said. "There are criminals who were shipped to that place and settled there. It is not surprising they are speaking like that." He reiterated Zimbabwe's line during the controversy, accusing Canberra and London of being racist in targeting Zimbabwe for criticism without the backing of non-white cricketing nations like India and Namibia.

``There should be no racism in sport," he said. "They should not mix sports and politics. For sport, people come from different backgrounds and so you can't bring in politics."

It is the "Great Lie" of Mugabe's regime that the current problems in Zimbabwe are the making of "white, neo-colonial" forces.




He plays the race card endlessly, even though the crisis has nothing to do with racism and all to do with a tyrannical African regime looking for scapegoats for its own economic and administrative incompetence.

Mr Mugabe's latest comments were partly intended to show that he was back in charge after rumours of a deal to remove him being brokered by senior members of his ruling Zanu-PF party with the opposition Movement for Democratic Change.

Speculation mounted while he was on holiday in Thailand and Malaysia, but he returned to Harare early this week and was in defiant mode in Lusaka.

"I only heard about that [plan] in the papers. There is absolutely no truth in it," he said.

- Telegraph

Wow, racism isn't just a white phenomenon :roll:

Hey, more racist crap nobody cares about!

But there's gotta be SOMETHING interesting in all that spiel.

.....

...you mentioned Thailand. There's some hot chicks from Thailand.

Do you guys never have read "The Fatal Shore, The epic of Australia's founding" by Robert Hughes?

Very interesting for people that want some background. If you have read this book, then you can give a opinion...if not, back of.

Hey, more racist crap nobody cares about!

But there's gotta be SOMETHING interesting in all that spiel.

.....

...you mentioned Thailand. There's some hot chicks from Thailand.

This Summer I couldn't decide wether to go to Thailand or Australia for my holiday. So I decided to draw up a list or the pros and cons of each country. First Australia, lots of cons. Thailand on the other hand.
- Mike Gunn

sounds funnier first hand

Do you guys never have read "The Fatal Shore, The epic of Australia's founding" by Robert Hughes?

Very interesting for people that want some background. If you have read this book, then you can give a opinion...if not, back of.

Seems interesting. But surely reading this book is not the only prerequisite to being able to talk Australia?

Do you guys never have read "The Fatal Shore, The epic of Australia's founding" by Robert Hughes?

Very interesting for people that want some background. If you have read this book, then you can give a opinion...if not, back of.

Seems interesting. But surely reading this book is not the only prerequisite to being able to talk Australia?

Off course not :wink: Just wanted to say that I loved this HUGE book (1055 page sin pocjet version) and that I learned much more about that story then from other sources. Buy it, first print 1986 in English, think my paperback costed about 8€

Heh....according to what I heard, a British explorer was sent to the island of Australia to claim it for the British so that they could sent all of Britain's worst criminals there.

Well....the criminals were sent to the huge island and were told to do whatever they want. And....they made a friggin nation.

So now I have stereotypical info on the....
Americans
Canadians
British
French
Germans
Russians
and now the Australians.

w00t...go me

Yes, well:

1. Australia was discovered by the Dutch in 1606.
2. The "criminals" sent to Australia included:

(a) people who stole bread
(b) people who stole lace (women)
(c) people who stole bricks

etc. Many people were freed upon reaching Australia. It has been argued that petty theives were sent to Australia first, otherwise nobody would have come (too much back breaking work!)

But...Van Dieman's land was where dangerous people were sent. However only about 140,000 people were ever transported to Australia.

Transportation ended in 1840 in the Eastern colonies and 1853 in Tasmania (Van Dieman's Land). By 1901 when the colonies federated, the convict generation had died out.

...

However, Australia was settled as a last resort after the search began by Britain for a new land after withdrawing from the American colonies in 1781. Australia had been claimed well before the revolutionary war.

Now, several American colonies, apart from being slave states, were also penal settlements. Britain was still attempting to transport felons to America as late as 1777.

DP

1. Australia was discovered by the Dutch in 1606.
2. The "criminals" sent to Australia included:

(a) people who stole bread
(b) people who stole lace (women)
(c) people who stole bricks

etc. Many people were freed upon reaching Australia. It has been argued that petty theives were sent to Australia first, otherwise nobody would have come (too much back breaking work!)

But...Van Dieman's land was where dangerous people were sent. However only about 140,000 people were ever transported to Australia.

Transportation ended in 1840 in the Eastern colonies and 1853 in Tasmania (Van Dieman's Land). By 1901 when the colonies federated, the convict generation had died out.

...

However, Australia was settled as a last resort after the search began by Britain for a new land after withdrawing from the American colonies in 1781. Australia had been claimed well before the revolutionary war.

Now, several American colonies, apart from being slave states, were also penal settlements. Britain was still attempting to transport felons to America as late as 1777.


That is what is writen in the great historical book of Robert Hughes.
Yes, people were send to Au. for stealing bread or even being unpolite to a Lord, or being late in paying the rent..

yeah im from tassie where they were shipped to so it explains why there so violent here (im descended from pirates)

I always found it amusing, how the devoutly religious of Europe, and the criminals of the British Empire, both came upon the opportunity to build states for themselves, with the result that the latter built by far the more pleasant one. :lol:

Actually, as I recall, the same is true of Georgia, USA - founded for British criminals. Not that it has anything to do with modern times, but it is kinda funny that some places were founded for that reason.

I always found it amusing, how the devoutly religious of Europe, and the criminals of the British Empire, both came upon the opportunity to build states for themselves, with the result that the latter built by far the more pleasant one. :lol:

The rest of the world can just keep telling itself that... ;)

Not all of Australia's colonies were founded as penal settlements. Good old South Australia has always been a land of the free.

I always found it amusing, how the devoutly religious of Europe, and the criminals of the British Empire, both came upon the opportunity to build states for themselves, with the result that the latter built by far the more pleasant one. :lol:

The rest of the world can just keep telling itself that... ;)
aye

Is TG making fun of America again?

Do you guys never have read "The Fatal Shore, The epic of Australia's founding" by Robert Hughes?

Very interesting for people that want some background. If you have read this book, then you can give a opinion...if not, back off.
I've read it. And a bloody good book it is, too. I had a hell of a time finding a copy here in the states, but I persevered, and read it cover to cover in a week. Bought my copy for a 1,25$ The Australian people have a lot to be proud of, and some to be shameful of (treatment of aboriginal people, but that's almost every nation, really) but moreso they should be proud of who they are and all that they have accomplished from such humble beginnings.

I always found it amusing, how the devoutly religious of Europe, and the criminals of the British Empire, both came upon the opportunity to build states for themselves, with the result that the latter built by far the more pleasant one. :lol:

The rest of the world can just keep telling itself that... ;)
aye

Is TG making fun of America again?

Noo...it's just a fact that Australia is one of the most pleasant and free places in the world.

My own city, Melbourne, got picked above some place in the netherlands as the World's Most Livable City.

Yeah the Aussies are all criminals.


New Zealand however, was only populated by those who could afford the passage out, which meant it ended up being filled with middle class people who were sick of the shitty english class structure.

I always found it amusing, how the devoutly religious of Europe, and the criminals of the British Empire, both came upon the opportunity to build states for themselves, with the result that the latter built by far the more pleasant one. :lol:

The rest of the world can just keep telling itself that... ;)
aye

Is TG making fun of America again?

Noo...it's just a fact that Australia is one of the most pleasant and free places in the world.

My own city, Melbourne, got picked above some place in the netherlands as the World's Most Livable City.

Heh. I live in Melbourne too, and I have no idea why we got that title.

Yeah the Aussies are all criminals.

That makes a lot of sense, especially when most Australians aren't at all descended from the convicts. :roll:

I always found it amusing, how the devoutly religious of Europe, and the criminals of the British Empire, both came upon the opportunity to build states for themselves, with the result that the latter built by far the more pleasant one. :lol:

The rest of the world can just keep telling itself that... ;)
aye

Is TG making fun of America again?

Noo...it's just a fact that Australia is one of the most pleasant and free places in the world.

My own city, Melbourne, got picked above some place in the netherlands as the World's Most Livable City.

Heh. I live in Melbourne too, and I have no idea why we got that title.

Ya got one guess ;)

Yeah the Aussies are all criminals.

That makes a lot of sense, especially when most Australians aren't at all descended from the convicts. :roll:

look, clearly they are.

Back in those days just stealing some bread to feed your family would get you arrested & sent to Australia

Heh. I live in Melbourne too, and I have no idea why we got that title.

Ya got one guess ;)

Our top of the line public transport system? LOL

Yeah the Aussies are all criminals.

That makes a lot of sense, especially when most Australians aren't at all descended from the convicts. :roll:

look, clearly they are.

Prove it.

So that's why Aussies are so fun to party with.
:P

While you're researching "Criminal Colonies" why don't you check up on Sicily? Or French Guiana. (sp? too lazy to check right now.)

Wow, so that's why Aussies are so fun to party with.
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Are you British by any chance? :lol:

"The Puritans, our ancestors. People so uptight the British kicked them out" - Robin Williams.

Wow, so that's why Aussies are so fun to party with.
[/sarcasm]

Are you British by any chance? :lol:
lol.
Nope, just 1st generation *shudders* American. Parents are from Ireland. Seriously though, I have had the most fun in my life with Aussies. They really do know how to party. Must be their "criminal" tendencies. :lol:

Wow, so that's why Aussies are so fun to party with.
[/sarcasm]

Are you British by any chance? :lol:
lol.
Nope, just 1st generation *shudders* American. Parents are from Ireland. Seriously though, I have had the most fun in my life with Aussies. They really do know how to party. Must be their "criminal" tendencies. :lol:

Hehe, You might not be far wrong :lol:

You gotta love us Aussies 8)

Not all of Australia's colonies were founded as penal settlements. Good old South Australia has always been a land of the free.

Yes...but don't mention the crime rate! LOL. South Australia has some of the worst crime rates in the country. Ironic isn't it :lol:

[quote="Monkeypimp"]Yeah the Aussies are all criminals.


New Zealand however, was only populated by those who could afford the passage out, which meant it ended up being filled with middle class people who were sick of the shitty english class structure.[/quote

Yes...and that is why New Zealand is so powerful right? HEHE. You forget that Australia technically rules New Zealand. We say jump and NZ asks "how high?" (basically the same relationship Australia has with the USA - with the US in control)

You all forgot about the other asian races coming to your island in row boats.

A popular misconception. Many British emigrated to early Australia for the same reason they emigrated to early America - freedom to do many things not allowed in Britain.

lol, we know.. Or at least some of us. I hope. :lol:

Descendents don't make up for ancestors' faults. It wouldn't leave a dent on my life to know that my ancestor was a murderer.

Part of the British settlement of the Carribean and Southern USA was done with convicts too...

Not all of Australia's colonies were founded as penal settlements. Good old South Australia has always been a land of the free.

Yep South Australia was settle by free people & no convicts, also Adelaide is a planned city(and still is) unlike the majority of cities in the world :)

Not all of Australia's colonies were founded as penal settlements. Good old South Australia has always been a land of the free.

Yep South Australia was settle by free people & no convicts, also Adelaide is a planned city(and still is) unlike the majority of cities in the world :)

yeah go SA! we rock, lets bomb Victoria

i can trace my roots all the way back to a convict called samuel james who was nearly hanged for stealing a whole heap of money. aren't i lucky he wasn't!

A popular misconception. Many British emigrated to early Australia for the same reason they emigrated to early America - freedom to do many things not allowed in Britain.

No...most British people came to Australia between 1945 and 1966. They came to escape post war Europe which still hadn't really gotten over the Great Depression.

adelaide is tiny and square. what has it got? rundle mall :P good bradman museum tho.

Not all of Australia's colonies were founded as penal settlements. Good old South Australia has always been a land of the free.

Yep South Australia was settle by free people & no convicts, also Adelaide is a planned city(and still is) unlike the majority of cities in the world :)

HAHA. Adelaide is boring. There is nothing to do there! Maybe that's why there are so many murders :shock:

Te U.S is decended from British puritans.

Yes, you can see that quite plainly if you go into the Bible Belt or look at their history (i.e: the WASP idea).

i thought EVERYBODY knew austrailia, the nation of australia,
started out as a british penal colony!

of course like everyplace else, there WERE other people already
living there who'se decendents still are also.

people who had been there for a VERY long time before their land
was 'discouvered'. long enought to have learned the land and the
spiritness of its places and life forms.

=^^=
.../\...

Te U.S is decended from British puritans.

Not really.

The country was first settled by British Puritans, and those people were the majority....until about the mid-1800's when the immagrations really got going.

By the early 1900's The US was really populated by the immagrants of the whole planet.

Although heres a thought for you....

The US was founded by people who were too uptight even for the British.

Scary huh?

i thought EVERYBODY knew austrailia, the nation of australia,
started out as a british penal colony!

Actually there were Dutch settlements in Western Australia as early as 1623 AD. But the British told them to take a hike when they arrived.

It's not our fault that we have made the modern world, but meh what can you do.

It's not our fault that we have made the modern world, but meh what can you do.

The British didnt make the modern world....they just started it down its long path to hell.