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MANY OF YOU HAVE LIKELY NEVER HEARD OF THIS HIDEOUS AND ATROCIOUS CRIME BEFORE... BUT NOW YOU WILL.


I only heard about this when people in the area it happened in sent me the information... No national media outrage occurred... No national media attention occurred (Remember when 3 drunk whites dragged a black man to death, that made international news for months)... The "Wichita massacre" made 1 story of state news and a few local news... Nothing more...

If that doesn't tell you what the media is doing to this nation... What will?









http://www.wichita-massacre.com/




Wichita-Massacre.com

Carr Brothers convicted of brutal murders and sentenced to death

At about 11 PM on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men who had two female guests. The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. They beat the men and raped the women.

In addition to repeatedly raping the women, the Carr Brothers have been found guilty of forcing them to perform sexual acts on each other, sodomizing one of them, and forcing the three male victims to perform sex acts with each of the women. Then the Carr Brothers robbed them and brutally murdered four of them.

According to a lone survivor's horrifying pre-trial testimony, after sexually tormenting them, the Carr Brothers took the friends individually to an ATM machine and forced them to withdraw as much cash as possible. Then, the Carr Brothers transported their naked victims to a remote soccer field and forced them to kneel in the snow before shooting them execution-style in the head, and then running them over with a truck. After leaving their victims for dead, the Carr Brothers returned to the men's apartment and stole appliances, bedding, and china.

The four friends who died were: Jason Befort, 26, an Augusta High School science teacher and football coach; Brad Heyka, 27, a director of finance with Koch Financial Services; Heather Muller, 25, a St. Thomas Aquinas pre-school teacher who planned to become a nun; and Aaron Sander, 29, a former Koch employee who had decided to become a priest.

The fifth friend, a 25-year-old woman, miraculously survived. To get help, she walked nearly a mile, naked and bleeding from her wounds, through snow and subfreezing temperatures. Her identity is being protected because she was the victim of a sex crime.

The surviving victim and Jason Befort were planning to marry soon. But Jason never had the opportunity of placing the engagement ring he had just purchased on her finger. It was discovered and stolen by the intruders.

A Preliminary Hearing for the Carr Brothers was held in April 2001 at which the survivor testified using her initials, H.G. However, since a gag order had previously been issued to the witnesses, Judge Rebecca Pilshaw warned them, and everyone else in the courtroom, that "the less that is said about these things, the better it will be for all parties involved."

Judge Pilshaw continued, threateningly: "I don't have the ability to order a lot of other people to do or not to do certain things, but I am going to make a very, very strong suggestion that people not talk about this." However, many news reporters and Wichita residents were opposed to these efforts to suppress the facts of this case. Outside of Kansas, there has been a virtual media blackout.

The Carr Brothers are African-Americans. All of their victims, including Ann Walenta, 56, a cellist with the Wichita Symphony Orchestra, who was shot and died from her wounds a month lateer, were White. However, according to District Attorney Nola Foulston, " the fact that the defendants and victims happen to be of different races has no bearing."

Although e-mails, letters to the editor and other comments in public forums have questioned whether the degradation, torture, and murders were racially motivated, Foulston strongly maintains that race was not an issue. During the preliminary hearing Foulston appears to have studiously avoided questions to the survivor which may have yielded evidence to the contrary.

Jury selection for the Carr Brothers trial began on September 9th 2002 at the Sedgwick County Courthouse and was completed on Wednesday, October 2nd. The trial began on Monday, October 7th. On Monday, November 4th, the jury returned verdicts of guilty for most charges against the Carr Brothers. Finally, on Friday, November 15, the Carr Brothers were sentenced to death. However, various appeals processes may delay their execution for more than ten years

Court TV originally said they would broadcast the entire trial. Then they "changed their mind" and said they would only broadcast the opening statements of the prosecuting and defense attorneys and the testimony of the survivor--but then they mysteriously "changed their mind" again and only provided a few brief news reports about the trial.

Truly, this was a terrible crime, and I don't quite agree with or even understand the media blackout.

However, I do feel compelled to ask... What has melanin got to do with it?

Truly, this was a terrible crime, and I don't quite agree with or even understand the media blackout.

However, I do feel compelled to ask... What has melanin got to do with it?

Not sure about melanin.


I can tell you why there was a media blackout... If whites around the nation knew that anti-white crime wasn't just unique to their region because of drugs or poverty or whatever the media tells them... If whites knew that anti-white crime was the result of non-whites and no other factors really mattered... There would be an uprising and a genocide the likes of which have never been seen and would never be rivaled.

If whites knew that anti-white crime was the result of non-whites and no other factors really mattered...

Are you claiming that white people never commit crimes against each other?

What the hell are you talking about?

Do you have aspergers?

It sounds like these guys were not mentally stable.

Sounds pretty sick, but if they were purposefully not looking into the possibility that it was a race crime, then that is just stupid.

No, he's saying that only black people commit racists attacks.

Which, by the way, isn't true. I know, I know, I'm a "filthy lying sinner who's going to burn in hell," but that's how that evil little thing called the "truth" works.

Funny, once again you talk about mass genocide, when last night you said murder isn't natural...or at least I think it was you. Pretty sure, at any rate. He talked in all caps as you seem to enjoy.



Oh, and by the way? There would be no uprising. Just idiots like you tryin to start one.

No, he's saying that only black people commit racists attacks.

Which, by the way, isn't true. I know, I know, I'm a "filthy lying sinner who's going to burn in hell," but that's how that evil little thing called the "truth" works.

Funny, once again you talk about mass genocide, when last night you said murder isn't natural...or at least I think it was you. Pretty sure, at any rate. He talked in all caps as you seem to enjoy.



Oh, and by the way? There would be no uprising. Just idiots like you tryin to start one.

Well, god did tell him he would be in charge of killing all the black people.

If whites knew that anti-white crime was the result of non-whites and no other factors really mattered...

Are you claiming that white people never commit crimes against each other?



Read the "Color of Crime Report".

http://www.davidduke.com/colorcrime/index.html

http://www.davidduke.com/colorcrime/cc-1.html

You are 45 x more likely to be murdered by a black than by a white.
(WHICH IS TREMENDOUSLY AWFUL... Considering blacks are 12% of the US population)

You are about 11 x more likely to be murdered by a hispanic than by a white. (Which is massively awful considering they are no more than 13% or so of the US population)

You are about 2 x more likely to be murdered by an injun than by a white.
(Which is pretty awful considering so few injuns are left in the USA)

You are about 3/4 x more likely to be murdered by an asian than by a white. (As it should be because the asian population is so tiny)

There would be an uprising and a genocide the likes of which have never been seen and would never be rivaled.

No, he's saying that only black people commit racists attacks.

So despite the fact that, according to our good friend FWS, white people don't commit racist attacks, they would carry out genocide against balck people.

FWS, how do you commit genocide without attacking anybody?

David Duke does not count as a credible source.

Try the U.S. census bureau.

You are about 2 x more likely to be murdered by an injun than by a white.

What is an "injun"?

There would be an uprising and a genocide the likes of which have never been seen and would never be rivaled.

No, he's saying that only black people commit racists attacks.

So despite the fact that, according to our good friend FWS, white people don't commit racist attacks, they would carry out genocide against balck people.

FWS, how do you commit genocide without attacking anybody?

If whites knew about the genocide being carried out against them under the guise of "rising crime". They would respond by wiping out those trying to wipe them out... Self Defense on the individual level is perfectly okay. So why shouldn't a group be able to defend themselves from another group?

You are about 2 x more likely to be murdered by an injun than by a white.

What is an "injun"?

An American Savage... I believe the current politically correct term is "native american"... But because groups change what they want to be called more often than they change their socks, it is hard to keep up on what the current term is...

Like the blacks used to be "colored" then "negro" then "afro" then "Afro-american" then "black" now "African american"

David Duke does not count as a credible source.

Try the U.S. census bureau.


He uses data from the Census Bureau and the FBI... But this government is the same government that keeps quiet about crimes against whites... We cannot trust this government.

If whites knew about the genocide being carried out against them under the guise of "rising crime". They would respond by wiping out those trying to wipe them out... Self Defense on the individual level is perfectly okay. So why shouldn't a group be able to defend themselves from another group?

If the figures presented in the "Color Of Crime" report are correct it is not a racial genocide that would be justified but a sexual one:

http://www.davidduke.com/colorcrime/page10-4.gif

There would be an uprising and a genocide the likes of which have never been seen and would never be rivaled.

No, he's saying that only black people commit racists attacks.

So despite the fact that, according to our good friend FWS, white people don't commit racist attacks, they would carry out genocide against balck people.

FWS, how do you commit genocide without attacking anybody?

If whites knew about the genocide being carried out against them under the guise of "rising crime".?

Actually violent crime has been declining for the past ten years or so...

Murder rate has increased I believe...

No, he's saying that only black people commit racists attacks.

Which, by the way, isn't true. I know, I know, I'm a "filthy lying sinner who's going to burn in hell," but that's how that evil little thing called the "truth" works.

Funny, once again you talk about mass genocide, when last night you said murder isn't natural...or at least I think it was you. Pretty sure, at any rate. He talked in all caps as you seem to enjoy.



Oh, and by the way? There would be no uprising. Just idiots like you tryin to start one.


No... I am saying that the media wants you to believe that blacks can do no wrong... The typical image is of a racist white killing blacks... But blacks commit 90% of all inter-racial violence...

David Duke does not count as a credible source.

Try the U.S. census bureau.


He uses data from the Census Bureau and the FBI... But this government is the same government that keeps quiet about crimes against whites... We cannot trust this government.

David Duke uses Government sources,
We cannot trust the Government sources,
Ergo, we cannot trust David Duke's results?

David Duke does not count as a credible source.

Try the U.S. census bureau.


He uses data from the Census Bureau and the FBI... But this government is the same government that keeps quiet about crimes against whites... We cannot trust this government.

I hate to break it to you, but the media is run by corporations, not the government.

It was probably a ratings thing, they only show the stories that will attract watchers, this must not have been one of them.

It's not news, it's entertainment.

David Duke does not count as a credible source.

Try the U.S. census bureau.


He uses data from the Census Bureau and the FBI... But this government is the same government that keeps quiet about crimes against whites... We cannot trust this government.

David Duke uses Government sources,
We cannot trust the Government sources,
Ergo, we cannot trust David Duke's results?

David Duke sifts out the government lies though... So you can trust David Duke... I trust the man enough to vote for him.

David Duke does not count as a credible source.

Try the U.S. census bureau.


He uses data from the Census Bureau and the FBI... But this government is the same government that keeps quiet about crimes against whites... We cannot trust this government.

I hate to break it to you, but the media is run by corporations, not the government.

It was probably a ratings thing, they only show the stories that will attract watchers, this must not have been one of them.

It's not news, it's entertainment.

I hate to break it to you but 45% of CEOs in the USA are jewish... They are probably communists also... Too many jews are mixed up in that communist crap.

I hate to break it to you but 45% of CEOs in the USA are jewish... They are probably communists also... Too many jews are mixed up in that communist crap.

Damn those Jewish Commie Capitalist bastards who only want to make a profit and introduce a socialist state.

You'd vote for that man?

http://www.adl.org/Learn/Ext_US/duke.asp

I also seem to remember something about him spending time in prison.

Sounds like a winner to me.

David Duke does not count as a credible source.

Try the U.S. census bureau.


He uses data from the Census Bureau and the FBI... But this government is the same government that keeps quiet about crimes against whites... We cannot trust this government.

I hate to break it to you, but the media is run by corporations, not the government.

It was probably a ratings thing, they only show the stories that will attract watchers, this must not have been one of them.

It's not news, it's entertainment.

I hate to break it to you but 45% of CEOs in the USA are jewish... They are probably communists also... Too many jews are mixed up in that communist crap.

Why in god's name would a CEO be a communist?

That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

You'd vote for that man?

http://www.adl.org/Learn/Ext_US/duke.asp

I also seem to remember something about him spending time in prison.

Sounds like a winner to me.


I will be writting his name in for the 2004 Presidential election...

He was railroaded by the courts for his right wing beliefs... White right wingers never get a "Jury of their peers"... His peers are all right wing whites, not Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, JDL, Communist Party...


Anyway, enough people trusted him for him to win the Louisiana State Senate race back in the 1980s.

David Duke does not count as a credible source.

Try the U.S. census bureau.


He uses data from the Census Bureau and the FBI... But this government is the same government that keeps quiet about crimes against whites... We cannot trust this government.

I hate to break it to you, but the media is run by corporations, not the government.

It was probably a ratings thing, they only show the stories that will attract watchers, this must not have been one of them.

It's not news, it's entertainment.

I hate to break it to you but 45% of CEOs in the USA are jewish... They are probably communists also... Too many jews are mixed up in that communist crap.

Why in god's name would a CEO be a communist?

That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.



David Duke does not count as a credible source.

Try the U.S. census bureau.


He uses data from the Census Bureau and the FBI... But this government is the same government that keeps quiet about crimes against whites... We cannot trust this government.

I hate to break it to you, but the media is run by corporations, not the government.

It was probably a ratings thing, they only show the stories that will attract watchers, this must not have been one of them.

It's not news, it's entertainment.

I hate to break it to you but 45% of CEOs in the USA are jewish... They are probably communists also... Too many jews are mixed up in that communist crap.

Why in god's name would a CEO be a communist?

That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

THE NEW WORLD ORDER THAT GEORGE BUSH SR SPOKE OF!!!!


The New World Order is a Zionist Occupied Government... The CEO's are all proponents of tools of the NWO... Free Trade, NAFTA, other such things... Send the jobs of the white working class to China or Mexico... Break the back of the white working class... If you cannot send the jobs out quick enough, open the borders and let the mexicans in to take the jobs...

The CEOs want to make money so they ultimately want to make the white masses docile sheep... But to do that they need to break our political, economic, social, and military power... We're currently losing our military power, 49% of the armed forces are non-white... Politically we are on the decline because G W Bush is a man who belongs to "Bohemian Grove" and he worships Moloch. Socially... Well the VD rate is over 45% and 60% in the USA are adulterors... Economically we are in trouble also.


DEATH TO ZOG!!! DEATH TO THE NWO!!!

HAIL CHRIST!!!

remember children if you like racists this is the place ot be

Speaking of sheep, :roll: .

Just so you know, I'm against exporting jobs as well.

That also has nothing to do with politics, but rather capitalism.

Businesses make more money by sending jobs to China and India, it's not a Jewish conspiracy.

Sounds like your spouting off commie rhetoric, FWS, with your protectionist working class crap.

Two black guys torchuring and murdering 4 white people... and they say race had nothing to do with it.

If two white guys torchured and murdered 4 black people, loads of people would instantly shout "RACIAL HATRED". or words to that effect.

This doesn't sound like a very good impression.

Socially... Well the VD rate is over 45%

???

FWS, This truley was a horrible crime and the purpetrators should be harshly punished. I also support the death penalty. But you must also realize that more often than not - blacks kill other blacks more than anything.

This is largely due to various voilent crimes related to various drug pushing/running, and prostitution and related crimes in any number of "ghetto" areas within a city. Gang warfare involving blacks against blacks (and to a somewhat lesser extent, hispanics) are quite common in many major cities in the US.

Whatever crimes blacks preform agaisnt whites might have something to do with the fact that there are far more whites than blacks (at least in western countries) - so the odds are, is that whites will be more often be the target of the crime. It's simple math.

Another possability, is that many black youths (especially those living in ghetos) grow up with hip hop and rap music and similar gendres of music. I've heard a number of these songs, and what I've heard is homophobic, racist (especially against whites and jews) and sexist. Typically, woman are refered to as "ho's" and "pussy" and other such base remarks. Many such songs glorify crime, violance and the like. As a result, impresionable youths get hooked on it so to speak, purchase or steal a handgun and some ammo and the next thing you know he either kills someone or is killed himself.

It's a sad fact of modern life, and all I can tell you is to live by example.

Personally I have yet to see any information pertaining to this case that indicates that the attack were of a racialist nature...


I am also waiting with baited breath for a response from FWS as to why a culling of all males wouldn't be a more sensible course of events instead of racial genocide (see bar chart on page 1).

Socially... Well the VD rate is over 45%

???

VD = STDS...

Socially... Well the VD rate is over 45%

???

VD = STDS...

Yes, I know what a veneral disease is, but what do you mean by the rate being over 45%, and what relevance does this have to anything?

Socially... Well the VD rate is over 45%

???

VD = STDS...

Yes, I know what a veneral disease is, but what do you mean by the rate being over 45%, and what relevance does this have to anything?


You don't get VD shaking hands with people... You get it through SIN!!!

You don't get VD shaking hands with people... You get it through SIN!!!

So sharing towels is now sinful?

David Duke does not count as a credible source.

Try the U.S. census bureau.

That's my take on all of this...not a credible source to be seen from the start. Just look the story page over...emotionally written summary which makes a big point of trying to make it look like there's a huge conspiracy to cover it up and complaining that there's no evidence that this wasn't a raial attack. Of course, to believe this tripe, you'd have to ignore that there's also no evidence to that it was racially motviated. For some, it's evidence enough that the perpetrators were black and the victims white. That's how a lot of this propaganda works. I love the link to info about Affirmative Action listed at the bottom, too...no, there's certainly no agenda here. :roll:

so your saying any form of reproduction is sin...being athiest i may not understand compleatly so do you mean just becuase you want the human race to continue you will goto hell?

http://www.davidduke.com/colorcrime/page10-4.gif
This SO does not mean we ought to go killing blacks. It doesn't even mean blacks commit more crimes! It says who is arrested more often... and blacks are arrested more often because of lousy, cheap, racist policies. Of course, you wouldn't know anything about racism yourself, would you? :lol:

That's because, apparently, if a white man kills a black man he's doing God's work :p

As for high black and hispanic crimes, I live in fugging South California. There's no way in HELL that being hispanic is a minority.

You know, I am glad for one thing. Whitey here obviously wants nothing to do with sin, and if having sex is sinful...we don't have to worry about him reproducing and spreding those genes along!

http://www.davidduke.com/colorcrime/page10-4.gif
This SO does not mean we ought to go killing blacks.

Nor does it mean we should start killing all men, but it prevents a more persuasive argument for that than killing black people - an issue FWS has continued to ignore, despite my promptings.

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the Feeding of the Troll.

Kindly file out in an orderly fashion and move along to the next exhibit where you will be witnessing a man with a stoat through his head.

so your saying any form of reproduction is sin...being athiest i may not understand compleatly so do you mean just becuase you want the human race to continue you will goto hell?

NO NO NO... REPRODUCTION IS BY MANDATE OF GOD!!!

"BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY"


But promiscuous sex is sin.

you DO know that some STDs are passed on through the family right?

As in, if your dad had them, you have them.

Unless your a white christian, of course. They're God's chosen people and NEVER have ANYTHING bad happen to them.

All races have racists. It's wrong no matter who does it. Murder is murder.


Hmm.... I would have expected Fox News to cover it....

Also, you seem to think that knowledge of the slightest little thing will cause a genocide. Has crime against hispanics specifically because of their race/ethnicity done by caucasians resulted in a genocide of caucasian people in the LA area? No, it hasn't. You seem to think that the Nation is always on the verge of racial war, which I assure you, it is not. At least not here.

By the way, where the hell do you live?

All races have racists. It's wrong no matter who does it. Murder is murder.


Hmm.... I would have expected Fox News to cover it....

Also, you seem to think that knowledge of the slightest little thing will cause a genocide. Has crime against hispanics specifically because of their race/ethnicity done by caucasians resulted in a genocide of caucasian people in the LA area? No, it hasn't. You seem to think that the Nation is always on the verge of racial war, which I assure you, it is not. At least not here.

By the way, where the hell do you live?


Read CIVIL WAR 2: THE COMING BREAKUP OF AMERICA

BY THOMAS W CHITTUM.

A veteran of Vietnam, Rhodesia, and Croatia. Also a political analyst.

Then tell me if you think the Race War isn't coming.


http://www.ameaglepubs.com/store/civwar2.html

All races have racists.





Agreed... Racism will end when the races are geographically separated.

the Race War isn't comming :p

Seriously, you said you live in the midwest. I doubt it's in a heavily urban area.

Here's some news for you: mass genocide isn't at the doorstep :p

If this actually happened then why are there no links to court papers? Sounds like another one of those hoaxes to me...

All races have racists.





Agreed... Racism will end when the races are geographically separated.

Either that, or when/if we all become one colour.

Or, you know, when people start hating each other. Which will never happen. So racism will not ever end.

Even if you seperate each race geographically, because sooner or later someone's gonna invade someone else. C'iest la vie

Here's an idea: instead of seperating races, let's just seperate people like FWS from the rest!

Here's an idea: instead of seperating races, let's just seperate people like FWS from the rest!

Fine we whites will keep Europe, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Argentina, Brazil, and Venezuela... You race mixers can go live in Africa and enjoy all the diversity... You can move to Zimbabwe and be the guest of the great Robert Mugabe.

Naw, he makes me laugh :p

ZIMBABWE: CELEBRATING 22 YEARS OF BLACK RULE



“These crooks [whites], really, we inherited as part of our population... We cannot expect them to have straightened up, to be honest people, and an honest community, all told... Yes, some of them are good people, but they remain cheats. They remain dishonest.”

- Robert Mugabe on BBC's Talk About Africa program, October 2000 (1)



“Whites are not human beings.”

- Joseph Msika, Zimbabwe's vice president, 18th August 2001. (2)





http://www.afrikanercharity.org/2/articles/zimbabwe-22-years.shtml

you get angry at them for saying that yet you say the same things bout them

FWS's logic seems to be along the lines of "Some blacks are racist, therefore all blacks should be killed." I'll just let that sink in.

Wait, are asians gonna be in are mixed up Africa?

I hope so. I get along pretty well with asian people, and I do like asian women better then those honkey ones :p


Oh, and out of curiosity, why do you get South Africa too? Silly Whitey, that isn't for your kind!

Wait, are asians gonna be in are mixed up Africa?

I hope so. I get along pretty well with asian people, and I do like asian women better then those honkey ones :p


Oh, and out of curiosity, why do you get South Africa too? Silly Whitey, that isn't for your kind!


The Boers, the rightful owners of the land founded Kapstaad in 1652 and there were no blacks except around where Swaziland was, also in the other interior regions of the nation... But the whites in Cape Town didn't even know there were blacks in the area... The blacks largely arrived in South Africa a few years after the whites... The blacks migrated from Central Africa.


Also Rhodesia is technically "White Man's Land"... When the whites went there the blacks showed up about the same time or shortly there after... So whites have strong claims to both South Africa and Rhodesia.

But God promised the Boer South Africa... It belongs to the Boer... And you will not take it from the Boer unless you do so in a fight... And believe me we whites won't go down easily. South Africa will be for whites what Afghanistan was for Muslims... Whites from around the world will flock to SA to stop the genocide against white (operation UHURU)

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

While former South African President Nelson Mandela, 85, scoffs at rumors of ill health, plans are being made by the nation's Communist Party to slaughter all whites in the country upon his death, G2B sources say.

One of the operations planned entails 70,000 armed black men "being transported to the Johannesburg city center within an hour" in taxicabs to attack whites.

The plans are variously dubbed "Operation Vula," "Night of the Long Knives," "Operation White Clean-up," "Operation Iron Eagle" and "Red October campaign."

Operation "Our Rainy Day" was to be carried out after the death of Nelson Mandela and would have entailed blacks being transported to the largest cities in taxis.

The assailants were expected to "take over" fuel points and massacre whites. The attacks would lead to a coup.

Sources say most blacks in the country are aware of the plans. When racial disputes occur, blacks often tell whites, "Wait until Mandela dies.”

"White people in South Africa can deny it to the end of the earth, but we are in real danger," one resident said. "This is no joke and any person with half a brain can see that this rumor has spiraled out of control."

Many whites are now convinced a vicious campaign of ethnic cleansing will follow Mandela's death whenever it comes. Some are making preparations for retreats.

"I have prepared myself and we have a gathering place where we can fortify for four weeks after Mandela’s death," said one white South African. "If nothing happens it will be a miracle."

The Red October campaign is allegedly a Communist plot to oust President Thabo Mbeki. Mbeki would be replaced by Cyril Ramaphosa.

"I was starting to think I was going nuts!" said another white South Africa resident. "'Operation Uhuru' or 'Operation White Clean-up' is definitely no rumor. I spoke to someone who told me that some blacks in Zimbabwe have also confirmed that this 'event' will take place. My cousin stays on a farm in Mpumalanga, not too far from Johannesburg. A black police officer in that district told his white colleague that they are going to kill us like flies, and there is nothing we can do about it. And that they also don't care if we know."

Meanwhile, Mandela, obviously aware of the growing rumors, last week assured the public he is well.

"My health is all right," he told reporters in Cape Town. "I'm doing very well. Others have gone further and said I am on the eve of going to my grave. If that day comes, I will go and knock at the door of heaven. ... They will look at the list and say: 'Your name is not here ... can you try next door?'"

Concern about Mandela's health surfaced last month when he canceled a scheduled meeting with visiting German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. The former president was at the time relaxing on the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius.

Mandela joked that when his time comes, "I will look for a branch of the ANC (the ruling African National Congress) in that world (and) I'll join it."

http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/weblogpv.php?id=2652_0_1_0



Genocide
February 10,2004
Kim du Toit


A whole bunch of people have written to ask me what I think of this little development in sunny South Africa:

While former South African President Nelson Mandela, 85, scoffs at rumors of ill health, plans are being made by the nation's Communist Party to slaughter all whites in the country upon his death, G2B sources say.

One of the operations planned entails 70,000 armed black men "being transported to the Johannesburg city center within an hour" in taxicabs to attack whites.

The plans are variously dubbed "Operation Vula," "Night of the Long Knives," "Operation White Clean-up," "Operation Iron Eagle" and "Red October campaign."

Operation "Our Rainy Day" was to be carried out after the death of Nelson Mandela and would have entailed blacks being transported to the largest cities in taxis.

The assailants were expected to "take over" fuel points and massacre whites. The attacks would lead to a coup.

Sources say most blacks in the country are aware of the plans. When racial disputes occur, blacks often tell whites, "Wait until Mandela dies.”

"White people in South Africa can deny it to the end of the earth, but we are in real danger," one resident said. "This is no joke and any person with half a brain can see that this rumor has spiraled out of control."

Many whites are now convinced a vicious campaign of ethnic cleansing will follow Mandela's death whenever it comes. Some are making preparations for retreats.

"I have prepared myself and we have a gathering place where we can fortify for four weeks after Mandela’s death," said one white South African. "If nothing happens it will be a miracle."

The Red October campaign is allegedly a Communist plot to oust President Thabo Mbeki. Mbeki would be replaced by Cyril Ramaphosa.

"I was starting to think I was going nuts!" said another white South Africa resident. " 'Operation Uhuru' or 'Operation White Clean-up' is definitely no rumor. I spoke to someone who told me that some blacks in Zimbabwe have also confirmed that this 'event' will take place. My cousin stays on a farm in Mpumalanga, not too far from Johannesburg. A black police officer in that district told his white colleague that they are going to kill us like flies, and there is nothing we can do about it. And that they also don't care if we know."
Well, now, this is most interesting.

I've spoken to a couple of (White) South Africans, and they pooh-pooh it as wishful thinking or scare tactics -- but it should be known that White South Africans are renowned for their ability to emulate ostriches.

Had Black South Africans attempted this genocide immediately after Mandela's African National Congress came to power, Whites would have been more prepared for it. Many people believed it was going to happen, anyway.

When it didn't happen, those people were ridiculed as "fearful" or worse.

One thing I do know: the current South African government, in the form of its police and army, will not do anything to stop such a massacre.

Whites in South Africa are still awfully well-armed. So should this genocide take place, it will make for an interesting experiment in the Second Amendment principle. Undoubtedly, Whites would succumb to the overwhelming odds eventually. But the prospective death toll among Blacks would be daunting, even for the most rabid assassins.

Here's the problem, however: that high-death-toll scenario was likely right after the ANC came to power, and would be similarly high today.

In the background, however, lies the fact that the ANC-controlled government has been systematically working to disarm Whites -- through the entrenched gun registration system, the government is perfectly aware of which Whites own guns, and even which guns. (It should be noted that a lot of White South Africans have managed to acquire guns without registration -- I had three, for instance -- so complete disarmament is not possible.)

Mandela is 85 years old, and is in reasonable health. If he were to die in five years' time, rather than tomorrow, a Black campaign of genocide would be more successful then than it would be today.

I'm also morbidly curious to see whether the countries of origin of the Whites (mainly Holland, Great Britain, Greece, Portugal and a few other northen European nations) would offer White South Africans "refugee" status and allow them to move. My bet is that, other than perhaps Greece and Portugal, they wouldn't: Britain, for instance, has shamefully denied sanctuary to White Zimbabweans of British heritage. (The Greeks and Portuguese have always followed a "right of return" policy towards people of their respective national descent.)

Can't see the United States helping out White South Africans, either: the backlash from American Blacks and their liberal camp-followers would be too strong if Uncle Sam helped out the erstwhile "racist apartheid oppressors" in any way.

White South Africans can't expect too much help from the United Nations, either. The U.N. has a dismal history of preventing genocide anywhere, and given that the U.N. is pretty much a haven for the Third World, White South Africans should expect no help from the likes of Kofi Annan.

Many people criticized me for writing Let Africa Sink, but my position on the subject is unchanged, even though I have friends and family still in South Africa. The fact is, nothing the outside world says or does has much effect in Africa. People continue to slaughter, pillage and cause mayhem in general, pretty much without regard to any outside influence.

It may be just the same for South Africa.

Damn.

FWS's logic seems to be along the lines of "Some blacks are racist, therefore all blacks should be killed." I'll just let that sink in.


You don't know me... Don't you dare think you know me.

FWS's logic seems to be along the lines of "Some blacks are racist, therefore all blacks should be killed." I'll just let that sink in.


You don't know me... Don't you dare think you know me.

I know your a racist piece of trash the needs to be removed from the Gene pool

FWS's logic seems to be along the lines of "Some blacks are racist, therefore all blacks should be killed." I'll just let that sink in.


You don't know me... Don't you dare think you know me.

I know your a racist piece of trash the needs to be removed from the Gene pool


You don't know anything... People like me with an IQ of 150 should have their breeding encouraged and subsidized by the government.

...Ok, but are asians gonna be in Africa with us?

Oh, and I meant South America. America, Africa...they sound and are typed out very similer. Why do you get South America?

And lastly, if you get South Africa, there's no way in hell you can't tell me that there arn't gonna be border disuptes :p

...Ok, but are asians gonna be in Africa with us?

Oh, and I meant South America. America, Africa...they sound and are typed out very similer. Why do you get South America?

And lastly, if you get South Africa, there's no way in hell you can't tell me that there arn't gonna be border disuptes :p


Why do we get Argentina? Because Argentinais 98% white because most of the savages died off from disease or the "boom sticks" carried by white settlers.

FWS's logic seems to be along the lines of "Some blacks are racist, therefore all blacks should be killed." I'll just let that sink in.


You don't know me... Don't you dare think you know me.

I know your a racist piece of trash the needs to be removed from the Gene pool


You don't know anything... People like me with an IQ of 150 should have their breeding encouraged and subsidized by the government.

oh too bad my is 165 you sanctimonious son of a bitch but as you have proved IQ has nothing to do with ignorance

FWS's logic seems to be along the lines of "Some blacks are racist, therefore all blacks should be killed." I'll just let that sink in.


You don't know me... Don't you dare think you know me.

I know your a racist piece of trash the needs to be removed from the Gene pool


You don't know anything... People like me with an IQ of 150 should have their breeding encouraged and subsidized by the government.

oh too bad my is 165 you sanctimonious son of a bitch but as you have proved IQ has nothing to do with ignorance


Ignorance of what? I've studied world events for years... I have numerous academic awards... I know what the REAL WORLD is like... Not the world that you are seeing through your rose colored glasses.

and did you get your IQ done by the Klan? If some one with an IQ of 150 honestly thinks all this garbage i will honest hope the world will go spirling off into the sun.

No, he's saying that only black people commit racists attacks.

Which, by the way, isn't true. I know, I know, I'm a "filthy lying sinner who's going to burn in hell," but that's how that evil little thing called the "truth" works.

Funny, once again you talk about mass genocide, when last night you said murder isn't natural...or at least I think it was you. Pretty sure, at any rate. He talked in all caps as you seem to enjoy.



Oh, and by the way? There would be no uprising. Just idiots like you tryin to start one.


No... I am saying that the media wants you to believe that blacks can do no wrong... The typical image is of a racist white killing blacks... But blacks commit 90% of all inter-racial violence...

What are you talking about? Have you ever watched the news? All you see are black rapists, black murderers, black fugitives. With good reason, too: most of them are.

Its really funny how you say that you know my granddad was almost killed by a White man and you know who saved him? A black man I say I know where I stand I say it is you who looks at the world with shit glasses

If this actually happened then why are there no links to court papers? Sounds like another one of those hoaxes to me...

http://www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/news/special_packages/carr_trial/4442357.htm

Court case done and dusted in 2002: the two were sentenced to death for multiple murder.

and did you get your IQ done by the Klan? If some one with an IQ of 150 honestly thinks all this garbage i will honest hope the world will go spirling off into the sun.


I took the Wechsler III test. (WISC III)

Its really funny how you say that you know my granddad was almost killed by a White man and you know who saved him? A black man I say I know where I stand I say it is you who looks at the world with shit glasses


Your inability to debate in a civilized manner proves you are an uncivilized beast.

Which makes you...?

Oh, and I don't care of a country is now "mostly white." Southern California is mostly hispanic, but you seem to be keen on claiming that as well.

how am I not debating civilized if I was not I would just be swearing 24/7 you insult when you are losing and in my book that makes you uncivilized

Fascist White States is now claiming that "whitey" is a racist term in Moderation:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151831

This follows his earlier comments against political correctness:

An American Savage... I believe the current politically correct term is "native american"... But because groups change what they want to be called more often than they change their socks, it is hard to keep up on what the current term is...

Like the blacks used to be "colored" then "negro" then "afro" then "Afro-american" then "black" now "African american"

FWS, how is "whitey" racist, but "American Savage" not?

You seem to me to be operating some kind of a double standard here.

Here's an idea: instead of seperating races, let's just seperate people like FWS from the rest!

Fine we whites will keep Europe, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Argentina, Brazil, and Venezuela... You race mixers can go live in Africa and enjoy all the diversity... You can move to Zimbabwe and be the guest of the great Robert Mugabe.

When I said "people like you" I meant "people who this all races should be seperated" which I think is rather clear. And I can assure there are alot more people who would rather not have that than there are that do. Therefore, you, FWS, can have Africa. Or Texas, I really don't care.

FacistWhite, I must say you use the perfect moniker. I cannot figure out, however, exactly what media you watch. It certainly can't be the US news media. Every time you turn on the news you see reports of black males committing violent crimes. It doesn't seem to matter that these crimes are more often than not committed by WHITE males, it's blacks who are blamed. But perhaps we should just believe what David Duke has to say about the racial makeup of crime in America. I mean, as a former KKK member, he couldn't possibly be seeing things in a skewed way, now could he?

As for your reports of racism against whites in parts of Africa, you are absolutely correct. However, this is not evidence of such racism in America. In truth, no such racism CAN exist in America. Certainly racial predjudice exists among members of every racial group. However, racism is the systematic use of institutional power to enforce a dmoinant group's prejudice over other groups. As such, no group other than whites in the US can be classified as racits, just as no group other than the ruling black race in South Africa can be classified as racist. Ironically, the groups that you are speaking out against in African countries are VERY similar to the KKK in America, the group that your beloved David Duke once belonged to. It is also important to note that race is niether a natural nor biological categorization. It is a socio-political construct, with little to no basis in genetics. The reason it is difficult for different races to live together in harmony is because of ignorant people like you. If race wars ever do actually occur, it will be YOUR fault. Believe that.

Actually, I'm white myself. I used "Whitey" because I didn't want to ype out his full name, so I shortened it to something easier :p

Fascist White States is now claiming that "whitey" is a racist term in Moderation:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151831

This follows his earlier comments against political correctness:

An American Savage... I believe the current politically correct term is "native american"... But because groups change what they want to be called more often than they change their socks, it is hard to keep up on what the current term is...

Like the blacks used to be "colored" then "negro" then "afro" then "Afro-american" then "black" now "African american"

FWS, how is "whitey" racist, but "American Savage" not?

You seem to me to be operating some kind of a double standard here.


Racial Scientist and French Nobleman Count Arthur De Gobnieau used the term "American Savage" in his 1850s book "The Inequality of Human Races". The book was a collection of his essays... If a scientist uses the word in a scientific manner that should make it acceptable...

If I said Indian you might think from India... I had to use a term to differentiate between the two. I refuse to call them native because my mother's family who came from england in the 1650s are the people who built the USA... The injuns might have been natives to the land... But my family are the natives to the NATION.

Actually, the "NATION" is built on their land :p

Thus, they are still the true natives.

It is also important to note that race is niether a natural nor biological categorization. It is a socio-political construct, with little to no basis in genetics. The reason it is difficult for different races to live together in harmony is because of ignorant people like you. If race wars ever do actually occur, it will be YOUR fault. Believe that.


Typical leftist trite... The sort that a leftist college professor might teach..

Why then do only blacks get sickle celled anemia? And don't lie and say others get it..

How can forensics determine the race of somebody through DNA or skeletal remains? ANSWER RACE IS GENETIC!!!

yes but did they build south america? no. Centeral America? No. its NATIVE AMERICANS not NATIVE NORTH AMERICANS.

Racial Scientist and French Nobleman Count Arthur De Gobnieau used the term "American Savage" in his 1850s book "The Inequality of Human Races".

Unlikely that he used that exact term, seeing as how he wrote the essay in French - "Essai sur l'in'galite des races humaines".

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Racial Scientist and French Nobleman Count Arthur De Gobnieau used the term "American Savage" in his 1850s book "The Inequality of Human Races". The book was a collection of his essays... If a scientist uses the word in a scientific manner that should make it acceptable...

Simply because a scientist used a term, doesn't mean it is acceptable. Especially if he is from such a long time ago when naughty meant evil

If I said Indian you might think from India... I had to use a term to differentiate between the two. I refuse to call them native because my mother's family who came from england in the 1650s are the people who built the USA... The injuns might have been natives to the land... But my family are the natives to the NATION.

Either you were trolling or you are to slow to think of more apropriate terms. I'd opt for the former.

It doesn’t matter if whites were in the desert… Anywhere we go we can turn a desert into an oasis… Because we are determined and hardworking… The other races they can only turn an oasis into a desert… But we, we are the race of builders, inventors, creators… Black Africa on its own has never even produced a written language.






Wherever you find the Negro everything is going down around him, and wherever you find the White man you see everything around him is improving.

- Robert E. Lee, Confederate General, to Col. Thomas H. Carter, May, 1865



"If our buildings, our highways, and our railroads should be wrecked, we could rebuild them. If our cities should be destroyed, out of the very ruins we could erect newer and greater ones. Even if our armed might should be crushed, we could rear sons who would redeem our power. But if the blood of our White race should become corrupted and mingled with the blood of Africa, then the present greatness of the United States of America would be destroyed and all hope for civilization would be as impossible for a Negroid America as would be redemption and restoration of the Whiteman's blood which had been mixed with that of the Negro."

- Senator Theodore G. Bilbo, of Mississippi, U.S. Senate, 1947 continued




"I have given my life to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all White men who have lived here like I have must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race.

They have neither the mental or emotional abilities to equate or share equally with White men in any functions of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring unto them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: White the superior, and they the inferior.

For whenever a White man seeks to live among them as their equals, they will destroy and devour him, and they will destroy all his work. And so for any existing relationship or any benefit to this people, let White men, from anywhere in the world, who would come to help Africa, remember that you must maintain this status: you the master and they the inferior, like children whom you would help or teach.

Never fraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you."

- Dr. Albert Schweitzer, missionary to Africa (NOTE He won the 1952 Nobel Peace Prize.)

It is also important to note that race is niether a natural nor biological categorization. It is a socio-political construct, with little to no basis in genetics. The reason it is difficult for different races to live together in harmony is because of ignorant people like you. If race wars ever do actually occur, it will be YOUR fault. Believe that.


Typical leftist trite... The sort that a leftist college professor might teach..

Why then do only blacks get sickle celled anemia? And don't lie and say others get it..

How can forensics determine the race of somebody through DNA or skeletal remains? ANSWER RACE IS GENETIC!!!

It's mostly because of where they live, if white people lived in the same place, they would have developed the same protection against malaria, and would get sickle cell anemia.

It's not from race, but from location.

It is also important to note that race is niether a natural nor biological categorization. It is a socio-political construct, with little to no basis in genetics. The reason it is difficult for different races to live together in harmony is because of ignorant people like you. If race wars ever do actually occur, it will be YOUR fault. Believe that.


Typical leftist trite... The sort that a leftist college professor might teach..

Why then do only blacks get sickle celled anemia? And don't lie and say others get it..

How can forensics determine the race of somebody through DNA or skeletal remains? ANSWER RACE IS GENETIC!!!

It's mostly because of where they live, if white people lived in the same place, they would have developed the same protection against malaria, and would get sickle cell anemia.

It's not from race, but from location.

Location eh... Sure whatever... Then how come whites on Malta (very close to Africa) or Gibraltar (Very very close to Africa) have never developed genes similar to the african.

i like how all your sources are from more then a a half a century ago.

It is also important to note that race is niether a natural nor biological categorization. It is a socio-political construct, with little to no basis in genetics. The reason it is difficult for different races to live together in harmony is because of ignorant people like you. If race wars ever do actually occur, it will be YOUR fault. Believe that.


Typical leftist trite... The sort that a leftist college professor might teach..

Why then do only blacks get sickle celled anemia? And don't lie and say others get it..

How can forensics determine the race of somebody through DNA or skeletal remains? ANSWER RACE IS GENETIC!!!

It's mostly because of where they live, if white people lived in the same place, they would have developed the same protection against malaria, and would get sickle cell anemia.

It's not from race, but from location.

Location eh... Sure whatever... Then how come whites on Malta (very close to Africa) or Gibraltar (Very very close to Africa) have never developed genes similar to the african.

Well, if you do a little research (I know, it's hard) you'll find that there few, if any cases of death from malaria in those countries, hence no adaptation.

*gasp*

Uhh... this story got widespread coverage on many national news channels... hate to break it to you... I watched the trial on CourtTV.

Uhh... this story got widespread coverage on many national news channels... hate to break it to you... I watched the trial on CourtTV.

I should really watch the news more often. This stupid thread would've been over long ago if I had known that.

It doesn’t matter if whites were in the desert… Anywhere we go we can turn a desert into an oasis… Because we are determined and hardworking… The other races they can only turn an oasis into a desert… But we, we are the race of builders, inventors, creators… Black Africa on its own has never even produced a written language.

<snip racist quotations>



Riiiight.

No black cultures developed a written language http://www.csc.tntech.edu/~srini/DM/symgifs/tf.gif White cultures are superior to all others. :?

You do realise that there are more 'races' than white and black right?

Yes, this story was covered on CourtTV, CNN Headline News, and Fox News. I don't watch MSNBC much, so I don't know if they carried it.

Let me see what I can recall from the trial testimony:

It happened in a football field.
The people were forced to kneel, and each of them was shot in the back of the head. The girl survived, and waited until the Carrs left the field. Then she got up and went to a nearby house, after being shot in the head, to ask for help.

Oh, dear. It appears my melanin comment has rocketed over quite a few heads. I was going to get out my Anthropology notes and books and treat everyone to a good, detailed going-over of the facts concerning this 'race' silliness, but reading over this thread has given me a headache.

If you are interested in exactly why the concept of race is absurd, nip down to any good university and ask an Anthropology professor. I'm sure they'd be happy to talk about it. Me, I'm going to consume many many painkillers and lie down.

Oh, dear. It appears my melanin comment has rocketed over quite a few heads. I was going to get out my Anthropology notes and books and treat everyone to a good, detailed going-over of the facts concerning this 'race' silliness, but reading over this thread has given me a headache.

If you are interested in exactly why the concept of race is absurd, nip down to any good university and ask an Anthropology professor. I'm sure they'd be happy to talk about it. Me, I'm going to consume many many painkillers and lie down.


Today universities are breeding grounds for liberal trite... If you wanted to know about read Darwin... Or ask somebody who got their degree in anthropology in the 1950s

Yes, this story was covered on CourtTV, CNN Headline News, and Fox News. I don't watch MSNBC much, so I don't know if they carried it.

Let me see what I can recall from the trial testimony:

It happened in a football field.
The people were forced to kneel, and each of them was shot in the back of the head. The girl survived, and waited until the Carrs left the field. Then she got up and went to a nearby house, after being shot in the head, to ask for help.'

Soccer field...

maybe they are europian or is that agianst your religion as well?

Typical leftist trite... The sort that a leftist college professor might teach..

Why then do only blacks get sickle celled anemia? And don't lie and say others get it..

How can forensics determine the race of somebody through DNA or skeletal remains? ANSWER RACE IS GENETIC!!!

Do just a little research, will you? Whites absolutely can get sickle cell anemia. The population means for whites are simply lower than for blacks. I won't bother going into why this is, becuase that has already been addressed by other posters. But this actually reinforces my point. The racial differences in genetics are always meaningless. Furthermore, racial groups are defined always without reference to genetic differences; they are based on superficial differences in phenotype.

Oh, dear. It appears my melanin comment has rocketed over quite a few heads. I was going to get out my Anthropology notes and books and treat everyone to a good, detailed going-over of the facts concerning this 'race' silliness, but reading over this thread has given me a headache.

If you are interested in exactly why the concept of race is absurd, nip down to any good university and ask an Anthropology professor. I'm sure they'd be happy to talk about it. Me, I'm going to consume many many painkillers and lie down.


Today universities are breeding grounds for liberal trite... If you wanted to know about read Darwin... Or ask somebody who got their degree in anthropology in the 1950s

Last time I checked, knowledge from 50 years ago would be considered dated.

I think I'd read a modern textbook as opposed to a textbook from the 1950's.

Think about it, the year is 2004, not 1950, join the modern world.

Typical leftist trite... The sort that a leftist college professor might teach..

Why then do only blacks get sickle celled anemia? And don't lie and say others get it..

How can forensics determine the race of somebody through DNA or skeletal remains? ANSWER RACE IS GENETIC!!!

Do just a little research, will you? Whites absolutely can get sickle cell anemia. The population means for whites are simply lower than for blacks. I won't bother going into why this is, becuase that has already been addressed by other posters. But this actually reinforces my point. The racial differences in genetics are always meaningless. Furthermore, racial groups are defined always without reference to genetic differences; they are based on superficial differences in phenotype.

You provide the data... Otherwise you're just making things up... WHITES DON'T GET SICKLE CELLED ANEMIA... 100% PURE WHITE PEOPLE DON'T GET IT... Maybe a mulatto gets it... But somebody 1/2 black and 1/2 white isn't white!!!

Last time I checked, knowledge from 50 years ago would be considered dated.

I think I'd read a modern textbook as opposed to a textbook from the 1950's.

Think about it, the year is 2004, not 1950, join the modern world.



Knowledge from 50 years ago wasn't yet tainted by the wave of "political correctness"... PC= when science doesn't back up that all races are equal, lie...

To get whites equal to blacks the government has been forced to lower whites through racist affirmative action, quotas etc... To say a white is equal to a black is the same as saying the A student equals the F student... You can only make the A student artificially equal to the F student by dragging the A student down... That is what the government is currently doing to whites... Once they drag us down, then we will be artificially equal... Like communism, how it seeks to make everybody equally poor.

BAM!!!!!!

Sorry, that was my mind imploding. FWS, if you want a real Race War, then surely you must know that non-whites will win it. There are less than 1.5 billion white people in the world right now. For those of you who clearly don't bother to learn jack shit about other ethnicities (FWS), there are about 5 billion non-whites on Earth. Whites are outnumbered more than 3-1. If there were to be a war tomorrow, Whitey would get dominated. Luckily, since I am a rational human being, I see no need for a race war. People of different ethnicities can coexist just fine, without problems. It happens in many communities here in America, and the Asian community in Canada has almost no conflict with the white community there. So, FWS, I fail to see any real reason why races can't coexist. I think it's because of ignorant little bigots like yourself, getting in the way of (inevitable) full integration and peaceful coexistance. Because, after all, there's only one race: the human race.

Last time I checked, knowledge from 50 years ago would be considered dated.

I think I'd read a modern textbook as opposed to a textbook from the 1950's.

Think about it, the year is 2004, not 1950, join the modern world.



Knowledge from 50 years ago wasn't yet tainted by the wave of "political correctness"... PC= when science doesn't back up that all races are equal, lie...

To get whites equal to blacks the government has been forced to lower whites through racist affirmative action, quotas etc... To say a white is equal to a black is the same as saying the A student equals the F student... You can only make the A student artificially equal to the F student by dragging the A student down... That is what the government is currently doing to whites... Once they drag us down, then we will be artificially equal... Like communism, how it seeks to make everybody equally poor.

Ok, here's the scenario.

You need a new heart, or you're going to die.

You can have a surgeon from 1950 do it, or a surgeon from 2004 do it.

CHOOSE QUICKLY!

BAM!!!!!!

Sorry, that was my mind imploding. FWS, if you want a real Race War, then surely you must know that non-whites will win it. There are less than 1.5 billion white people in the world right now. For those of you who clearly don't bother to learn jack shit about other ethnicities (FWS), there are about 5 billion non-whites on Earth. Whites are outnumbered more than 3-1. If there were to be a war tomorrow, Whitey would get dominated. Luckily, since I am a rational human being, I see no need for a race war. People of different ethnicities can coexist just fine, without problems. It happens in many communities here in America, and the Asian community in Canada has almost no conflict with the white community there. So, FWS, I fail to see any real reason why races can't coexist. I think it's because of ignorant little bigots like yourself, getting in the way of (inevitable) full integration and peaceful coexistance. Because, after all, there's only one race: the human race.


Rorke's Drift (150 white soldiers held off 20,000 blacks and killed 1,000... Blacks retreated)

Omdurman (12,000 whites killed 40-50,000 Sudanese)

Tours 732 (15-45,000 french in a 7 day battled killed 300,000 out of 400,000 Moor Heavy Cavalry and Heavy Infantry and the Moor King)

Spain 1492


Mogadishu, Somalia (operation restore hope)... The USA lost fewer than 20, the somalians lost about 1,500


Whites almost always go into battle horribly outnumbered... We have the warrior's spirit in us... We almost always win...

Typical leftist trite... The sort that a leftist college professor might teach..

Why then do only blacks get sickle celled anemia? And don't lie and say others get it..

How can forensics determine the race of somebody through DNA or skeletal remains? ANSWER RACE IS GENETIC!!!

Do just a little research, will you? Whites absolutely can get sickle cell anemia. The population means for whites are simply lower than for blacks. I won't bother going into why this is, because that has already been addressed by other posters. But this actually reinforces my point. The racial differences in genetics are always meaningless. Furthermore, racial groups are defined always without reference to genetic differences; they are based on superficial differences in phenotype.

You provide the data... Otherwise you're just making things up... WHITES DON'T GET SICKLE CELLED ANEMIA... 100% PURE WHITE PEOPLE DON'T GET IT... Maybe a mulatto gets it... But somebody 1/2 black and 1/2 white isn't white!!!

Moron, thats because the genes for sickle celled anemia is only predominant where malaria is. Sickle celled anemia transfers protection to the carriers of the trait against malaria, but has the side effect of clotting the blood stream when it is homozygous. Genetics works to give an advantage to the blacks to carry the gene because they don't die of malaria. If you overlay the areas were malaria is common with the predominance of the sickle cell allele, you will see a definite pattern. You don't get whites getting it because they haven't been there for the centuries that Blacks have been, and the areas were they do live does not have malaria, so the trait confers a disadvantage to them.

You want to see how superior whites are? Take a malaria infested mosquito and let it bite one non-carrier white and one carrier black. I'd rather be the black in that case.

Do us all a favor and try that on yourself. You can use another mosquito if you don't want that ****** blood contaminating your precious aryan skin.

Last time I checked, knowledge from 50 years ago would be considered dated.

I think I'd read a modern textbook as opposed to a textbook from the 1950's.

Think about it, the year is 2004, not 1950, join the modern world.



Knowledge from 50 years ago wasn't yet tainted by the wave of "political correctness"... PC= when science doesn't back up that all races are equal, lie...

To get whites equal to blacks the government has been forced to lower whites through racist affirmative action, quotas etc... To say a white is equal to a black is the same as saying the A student equals the F student... You can only make the A student artificially equal to the F student by dragging the A student down... That is what the government is currently doing to whites... Once they drag us down, then we will be artificially equal... Like communism, how it seeks to make everybody equally poor.

Ok, here's the scenario.

You need a new heart, or you're going to die.

You can have a surgeon from 1950 do it, or a surgeon from 2004 do it.

CHOOSE QUICKLY!


Well you cannot make surgery politically correct...

Irrelevant... Apples and Oranges... For medical care I'd go with more current... For facts and figures I'd go with pre 1960s = increased likelihood of truth.

Last time I checked, knowledge from 50 years ago would be considered dated.

I think I'd read a modern textbook as opposed to a textbook from the 1950's.

Think about it, the year is 2004, not 1950, join the modern world.



Knowledge from 50 years ago wasn't yet tainted by the wave of "political correctness"... PC= when science doesn't back up that all races are equal, lie...

To get whites equal to blacks the government has been forced to lower whites through racist affirmative action, quotas etc... To say a white is equal to a black is the same as saying the A student equals the F student... You can only make the A student artificially equal to the F student by dragging the A student down... That is what the government is currently doing to whites... Once they drag us down, then we will be artificially equal... Like communism, how it seeks to make everybody equally poor.

Ok, here's the scenario.

You need a new heart, or you're going to die.

You can have a surgeon from 1950 do it, or a surgeon from 2004 do it.

CHOOSE QUICKLY!


Well you cannot make surgery politically correct...

Irrelevant... Apples and Oranges... For medical care I'd go with more current... For facts and figures I'd go with pre 1960s = increased likelihood of truth.

Yes, you can. If blacks are inferior, there must be something wrong with their internal structure.

in all of what you mentioned for battles is becuase they are all trained military units not civilians if your whole city was attacked by 120 highly trained black military units when technology 10x better then what you had you would get smashed too

Last time I checked, knowledge from 50 years ago would be considered dated.

I think I'd read a modern textbook as opposed to a textbook from the 1950's.

Think about it, the year is 2004, not 1950, join the modern world.



Knowledge from 50 years ago wasn't yet tainted by the wave of "political correctness"... PC= when science doesn't back up that all races are equal, lie...

To get whites equal to blacks the government has been forced to lower whites through racist affirmative action, quotas etc... To say a white is equal to a black is the same as saying the A student equals the F student... You can only make the A student artificially equal to the F student by dragging the A student down... That is what the government is currently doing to whites... Once they drag us down, then we will be artificially equal... Like communism, how it seeks to make everybody equally poor.

Ok, here's the scenario.

You need a new heart, or you're going to die.

You can have a surgeon from 1950 do it, or a surgeon from 2004 do it.

CHOOSE QUICKLY!


Well you cannot make surgery politically correct...

Irrelevant... Apples and Oranges... For medical care I'd go with more current... For facts and figures I'd go with pre 1960s = increased likelihood of truth.

NO, not apples and oranges.

They teach surgery in colleges, they teach everything else in colleges, knowledge has expanded quite a bit in the last 50 years.

If you ran the world, this message board wouldn't exist, since computers wouldn't exist, because you'd be screaming at everyone to stop learning new things because they're tainted by those damn liberals.

I'm astounded.

NO, not apples and oranges.

They teach surgery in colleges, they teach everything else in colleges, knowledge has expanded quite a bit in the last 50 years.

If you ran the world, this message board wouldn't exist, since computers wouldn't exist, because you'd be screaming at everyone to stop learning new things because they're tainted by those damn liberals.

I'm astounded.


Would you rather drink water from the Rhine from AD 2004 or from AD 800... Older often means better..

What about breathing air? Would you rather breathe air from AD 2004 or AD 800?

Soccer field...

You are aware that what Americans call "soccer" everyone else calls "football", right?

NO, not apples and oranges.

They teach surgery in colleges, they teach everything else in colleges, knowledge has expanded quite a bit in the last 50 years.

If you ran the world, this message board wouldn't exist, since computers wouldn't exist, because you'd be screaming at everyone to stop learning new things because they're tainted by those damn liberals.

I'm astounded.


Would you rather drink water from the Rhine from AD 2004 or from AD 800... Older often means better..

What about breathing air? Would you rather breathe air from AD 2004 or AD 800?

Those things are tangible, knowledge is not tangible.

Soccer field...

You are aware that what Americans call "soccer" everyone else calls "football", right?

I don't think he's aware of anything in any other culture.

Whites almost always go into battle horribly outnumbered...

Seeing as how throughout most of recorded history white people have been fighting with their near neighbours (ie. other white people), your claim doesn't hold up at all.

Remember, FascistWhiteStates(oh god), there is a world outside of the southern/midwestern United States.

Remember, FascistWhiteStates(oh god), there is a world outside of the southern/midwestern United States.

Now you're being biased. I lived in the south for a long time, and there's MUCH less bigotry there than the rest of the country seems to laugh up its sleeve about.

Quit being hypocritical.

Yeah, there's stupid people EVERWHERE.

This one just happens to continue a stereotype that shouldn't be carried on.

Soccer field...

You are aware that what Americans call "soccer" everyone else calls "football", right?

I don't think he's aware of anything in any other culture.

I know a great deal of other cultures.

The world is basically metric... Except in the USA where we use customary.

In the Arab nations shaking a shoe at somebody is the ultimate insult (Well aside from beheading them)

In Africa most societies are matrilineal (lineage traced through the mother not father. And families are typically extended... The community is supposedly emphasized over the individual)

In the Mediterranean nations youngsters drink wine with meals... In Spain and Italy divorce is rare compared to USA (10% in Spain and Italy... 60-65% in USA)

I know a great deal about other lands and other peoples.


England you people call a flashlight a torch... Etc


But when we talk about America football and soccer are not what you'd call football and soccer... You need to use american terminology when talking about america.

Soccer field...

You are aware that what Americans call "soccer" everyone else calls "football", right?

I don't think he's aware of anything in any other culture.

I know a great deal of other cultures.

The world is basically metric... Except in the USA where we use customary.

In the Arab nations shaking a shoe at somebody is the ultimate insult (Well aside from beheading them)

In Africa most societies are matrilineal (lineage traced through the mother not father. And families are typically extended... The community is supposedly emphasized over the individual)

In the Mediterranean nations youngsters drink wine with meals... In Spain and Italy divorce is rare compared to USA (10% in Spain and Italy... 60-65% in USA)

I know a great deal about other lands and other peoples.


England you people call a flashlight a torch... Etc


But when we talk about America football and soccer are not what you'd call football and soccer... You need to use american terminology when talking about america.

No you don't. Go away and stop spewing your ameri-centric crap. I noticed you ignored the posts of my puppet bitch slapping your lack of knowledge about biology and sickle cell anemia.

Of course. If proven wrong: ignore! THat way others don't notice you're wrong :p

its only 50 ish per cent in america for divorce.

Sickle Celled Anemia affects only blacks... Anybody who says otherwise is a PC Liberal Liar or a just plain ignorant.

Sickle Celled Anemia affects only blacks... Anybody who says otherwise is a PC Liberal Liar or a just plain ignorant.

I already explained to you why that happened, and how it has nothing to do with being black.

"Sickle cell anemia is a hereditary disorder that mostly affects people of African ancestry, but also occurs in other ethnic groups, including people who are of Mediterranean and Middle Eastern descent. More than 70,000 Americans have sickle cell anemia. And about 2 million Americans - and one in 12 African Americans - have sickle cell trait (this means they carry one gene for the disease, but do not have the disease its..."

I think the judge was more concerned about the victem not being dragged into the media spotlight. Infact in Queensland, Australia all rape cases are closed Courts and no media is allowed inside. Both attornies may amke statements to the press but are warned against mentioning names until after the trial.*




*At least this is the policy they were using when I visisted the Courts last year as part of my Legal Studies Course.

Sickle Celled Anemia affects only blacks... Anybody who says otherwise is a PC Liberal Liar or a just plain ignorant.

For once, you are right...to an extent that you define black as any person of African [The entire area...including the area around the Mediterranean] heritage (ignoring all the random mutations). Its simply not advantageous anywhere else in the world. Again, I'd rather have the gene while in Central Africa then not have it.

Fascist White States is now claiming that "whitey" is a racist term in Moderation:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151831

This follows his earlier comments against political correctness:

An American Savage... I believe the current politically correct term is "native american"... But because groups change what they want to be called more often than they change their socks, it is hard to keep up on what the current term is...

Like the blacks used to be "colored" then "negro" then "afro" then "Afro-american" then "black" now "African american"

FWS, how is "whitey" racist, but "American Savage" not?

You seem to me to be operating some kind of a double standard here.


Racial Scientist and French Nobleman Count Arthur De Gobnieau used the term "American Savage" in his 1850s book "The Inequality of Human Races". The book was a collection of his essays... If a scientist uses the word in a scientific manner that should make it acceptable...

If I said Indian you might think from India... I had to use a term to differentiate between the two. I refuse to call them native because my mother's family who came from england in the 1650s are the people who built the USA... The injuns might have been natives to the land... But my family are the natives to the NATION.
You are such an idiot. The nation is the land upon-which the STATE is built upon. The STATE is the government. The NATION is the land. The NATION originally belonged to the Native Americans, or "Savages" in your screwed-up, ignorant 17-year old "I am oppressed by the leftists" mind. FFS, I have an IQ of 155, I'm working on my Sociology and Political Science majors, I'm 19, and I've recieved several academic awards too. Prejudiced pieces of trash like you who live in houses with wheels think they're being oppressed by a "Jew government" and that's why they are failures in their miserable lives. It's your fault, not some Jew's. It's your fault that you can't find a job. Affirmative action isn't making you lose CRAP. Now, Africa is the most racially diverse land in the world. (Europe is the most ethnically diverse.) Africa has Europeans, Arabs, "Bantus" (using "historically correct" notation for blacks), etc. and they are all native by origin to the land (Europeans have always along the entire Mediterranean, Arabs live in northwest Africa, and the Black population lives south of the Sahara. Whatever evidence you may have to counter mine, I welcome a challenge. But until you can come up with something without insults towards anyone, or calling me a Communist or a Jew (my mother is Jewish, her parents were born in the USSR) and without backing up any of your claims with BS about your educational background, I won't really listen to anything you say. As far as I know, there won't be any race wars. That book you read is nothing more than some propaganda from some racialist living in a trailer. Go hang out with your Aryan Nations and Christian Identity (which I just see as a load of crap) buddies, I'm sure they will tell you some very intelligent stuff.

(Europe is the most ethnically diverse.)


I don't think anybody disputes that.


However Ethnicity is not the same as Race. FWS impressed that point upon me via MSN.

Ethnic is a sub-group of a race. Russians, Polish, Germans, French, etc are all part of the White Race.

Ethnic groups like the Xhosa, Zulu, Matabele, etc are all part of Black Race.

You cannot use the words race and ethnicity like they are the same word.

(Europe is the most ethnically diverse.)


I don't think anybody disputes that.


However Ethnicity is not the same as Race. FWS impressed that point upon me via MSN.

Ethnic is a sub-group of a race. Russians, Polish, Germans, French, etc are all part of the White Race.

Ethnic groups like the Xhosa, Zulu, Matabele, etc are all part of Black Race.

You cannot use the words race and ethnicity like they are the same word.

Listening to FWS isn't good for your health.

I think what we all might be forgetting here is that race does not exist. On the genetic level we are all the same. The only differences are geographic and cultural. Therefore you cannot generalize about a group based on their skin color (not that you really could anyway). This really makes this whole discussion moot.

I think what we all might be forgetting here is that race does not exist. On the genetic level we are all the same. The only differences are geographic and cultural. Therefore you cannot generalize about a group based on their skin color (not that you really could anyway). This really makes this whole discussion moot.


Yawn.

I think what we all might be forgetting here is that race does not exist. On the genetic level we are all the same. The only differences are geographic and cultural. Therefore you cannot generalize about a group based on their skin color (not that you really could anyway). This really makes this whole discussion moot.


Yawn.

WTF man.

YAAAAAAYY!!! FWS got DEATed! I think FluffyCats is either a puppet or just an 12-year-old who will believe anything he hears if its backed up by things portrayed as facts. Anyways, I think we can successfully say that, again, the Neo-Nazis have been savagely dominated.

YAAAAAAYY!!! FWS got DEATed! I think FluffyCats is either a puppet or just an 12-year-old who will believe anything he hears if its backed up by things portrayed as facts. Anyways, I think we can successfully say that, again, the Neo-Nazis have been savagely dominated.


If you read before you post, you'd know FWS was IP banned. That means he is gone. There can be no puppets. Think before you speak, that way you won't always make an idiot of yourself.

I think FluffyCat has actually raised valid points, in the two posts I read, unlike FWS.