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I've been researching that beheading video, and I've noticed some odd things about it. For one, I think the guy is dead before they cut his head off. When the begin cutting, there is no blood spray; it just pools on the ground. My aunt, who is a nurse, says that if he were alive, blood would be spraying everywhere. Second, he doesn't move-- or not that I saw-- throughout the whole video. Third, the supposed terrorists in the video have white hands, which is not a trait common among middle eastern peoples. Third (this is more debateable), the men act nervous, not like cold blodded terrorists at all.

What do you think?

Maybe...

As to them being nervous, perhaps they were just giddy?

I saw the tape, He did move in the tape and when they cut his head he was screaming.

Has anyone ever came across the tape of the Russian soldier getting beheaded in Chechneya?(sp?)

I bet the stileproject had it at one stage.

Has anyone ever came across the tape of the Russian soldier getting beheaded in Chechneya?(sp?)


No, But i would like to see it.

Question: Did you simply see the video, or did you also listen to it? From what I have been told (i.e. add a few grains of salt), the audio part is ripe with the victim's screaming, until, er, he couldn't scream anymore.

I saw the tape, He did move in the tape and when they cut his head he was screaming.I've seen it. Yes, there was screaming, but I did not see any part of him, including his mouth, move. The screaming could very well have been added.

I've been researching that beheading video, and I've noticed some odd things about it. For one, I think the guy is dead before they cut his head off. When the begin cutting, there is no blood spray; it just pools on the ground. My aunt, who is a nurse, says that if he were alive, blood would be spraying everywhere. Second, he doesn't move-- or not that I saw-- throughout the whole video. Third, the supposed terrorists in the video have white hands, which is not a trait common among middle eastern peoples. Third (this is more debateable), the men act nervous, not like cold blodded terrorists at all.

What do you think?

If it is anything like the Daniel Pearl video, he was probably already dead before they beheaded him.

I haven't seen or heard the video, so I couldn't say if he was moving or not. Though the "screams" may very well be the terrorists, I read somewhere they were chanting "Allahu Akbar" (or something similar), but anything that comes out Arabic just sounds lik caterwauling anyway.

As to "they have white hands!", its a webcam. And not a very good one, Berg looks like he has a pumpkin for a head. Also, not every Middle-Eastener is a mexican with a beard. Theres some that look just down-right white, and we don't even know what the nationality of these guys is. They may be Chechyans (far-fetched, but possible), or Iranians who can have relatively light skin IIRC.

"The terrorists looked nervous". And your point is? These are people more accustomed to making grainy videos of themselves eating hummus and condeming America, not taping a beheading. I'm willing to bet that the most extensive combat these guys have seen was taking a potshot at a tank 100 yards away, or throwing a rock at an Israeli 20 years ago.

Ryanania, you are naive if you think that terrorists are cold-blooded. That's American propaganda at workThey are normal humans with different ambitions, not cyborgs. Plus, even if you kill thousands of people by bombing places around the world, it's still different from killing one man in a primitive, brutal fashion.

I doubt that Hitler would be able to gut a man, I don't think he'd have the stomach, but he ordered many to be brutally killed. . Also, he couldn't move because 2 men were holding him down, and he was quite possibly busy with the excruciating pain he was being given.

regardless, the whole idea of it makes me absolutely sick... :?

Has anyone ever came across the tape of the Russian soldier getting beheaded in Chechneya?(sp?)


No, But i would like to see it.

Kazaa it up. :P

i dont understand why yall even want to see it... it just seems kind of rudely perverted to me... people bootlegging a tape of a man being beheaded, whether he was dead or not before hand.
:?

Ryanania, you are naive if you think that terrorists are cold-blooded. That's American propaganda at workThey are normal humans with different ambitions, not cyborgs. Plus, even if you kill thousands of people by bombing places around the world, it's still different from killing one man in a primitive, brutal fashion.

I doubt that Hitler would be able to gut a man, I don't think he'd have the stomach, but he ordered many to be brutally killed. . Also, he couldn't move because 2 men were holding him down, and he was quite possibly busy with the excruciating pain he was being given.Terrorists attack defensless women and children on purpose. That's cold blooded in my book.

IF it was a hoax, it really, it could have been trying to scare us off, and it failed, but what i am saying is that is was a "good" move by the terorists to get us even MORE pised off at them GOD BLES AMERICA AND ITS FIGHTING FORCES!

IF it was a hoax, it really, it could have been trying to scare us off, and it failed, but what i am saying is that is was a "good" move by the terorists to get us even MORE pised off at them GOD BLES AMERICA AND ITS FIGHTING FORCES!



The correct statement should be

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND CURSE THE LEFT.

oops my mistake

Do you think it could have been our own government that staged this? I love the USA, but I don't trust our government a whole lot.

I've been researching that beheading video, and I've noticed some odd things about it. For one, I think the guy is dead before they cut his head off. When the begin cutting, there is no blood spray; it just pools on the ground. My aunt, who is a nurse, says that if he were alive, blood would be spraying everywhere. Second, he doesn't move-- or not that I saw-- throughout the whole video. Third, the supposed terrorists in the video have white hands, which is not a trait common among middle eastern peoples. Third (this is more debateable), the men act nervous, not like cold blodded terrorists at all.

What do you think?
A guy in another forum posted and i found it quite interesting.

ATTENTION!!! THIS IS NOT MY VIEW OF THE NICK BERG VIDEO!!

the following info is from topplerummy.org

Background on Nick Berg
1] Berg had connections to al Qaeda terrorists strong enough to be questioned by the FBI. His email was used by accused terrorist Zacharias Moussaoui. He reportedly gave his email to an affiliate of Moussaoui's while on a bus ride in Oklahoma. During this period he was arrested several times for vagrancy on his college campus where he was apparently homeless.

2] The United States and the Iraqi police detained Berg for 13 days, not releasing him until his father filed suit. He was detained as a suspected Israeli spy. The US now denies it had anything to do with the detention despite correspondence to the contrary. The Iraqi police also deny any involvement in his detention. They are playing hot potato with it.

3] When Berg was detained he, a Jew, had a copy of the Koran and an anti-semetic book entitled 'The Jewish Problem'. That is just strange. Some have speculated the Koran may have been to help him travel in an Islamic nation, but if Berg took such preparations why didn't he have the Israeli stamp in his passport put in a temporary add in page; This would be normal for someone traveling to both Israel and a Muslim nation since both have problems with the visa stamps of the other.

4] Nick Berg's dad and Berg's tower company appear on a Free Republic 'enemies' list. The list isn't too long. I'm not on it under any alias I've used.

5] Nick Berg's tower company is not registered in his home state of Pennsylvania. While not a legal requirement, state officials report it would be nearly impossible to do business without registering.

6] One of the towers Berg worked on, the biggest and most damaged one, was next to the prison.

7] No one can account for Berg's whereabouts from between April 10th (when his father believes he was killed) and the day his body was found. He looks very clean and well fed to have been held prisoner by savages for over a month.

8] The US has not stated how his body was identified. It didn't have a head. It should have taken some time to ID. Reports have stated that 'his headless body was found ..." His body was identified and his parents notified before the video aired.

9] Berg's body, though he was a civilian, was flown by the military to Dover Air Force Base. According to Department of State Publication 10391, Bureau of Consular Affairs, Revised September 1996, "The U.S. Government cannot pay to have your body buried overseas or returned to the United States." This is a publication intended for Americans living / working abroad as Berg was. His parents requested to be there when it arrived but were denied.



Berg was dead when beheaded, execution faked
10] No blood spurts from his neck as he is supposed to be dying. The amount of blood on the floor is much smaller than it should have been. He should have died from bleeding out and this would have resulted in a couple of liters of blood spurting from his neck. According to medical experts he should have died from bleeding out. Even if his spine was severed quickly he should have continued to bleed until his heart ran out of blood; this was the reason for having straw under the guillotines during the French revolution. These heads would also remain animated for some time.

To see what an expert surgeon has said about the lack of blood click here.
Another doctor, a surgeon and forensic expert has commented here.

11] No blood gets on the hand of 'Zarqawi' even though it was in front of Berg's neck when he should have been bleeding out. Medical experts have commented that blood should have spurted several feet and gotten all over the nearby men.

12] Berg doesn't struggle or even flinch when his head is sawed off with a western style military knife. Any movements can be explained by the way his captors are moving him. Observe that they tension in the direction of the motion, not the opposite direction as if they were holding him still.

13] The body makes no death throws. None. Nada. Most animals, when they die, convulse.

14] Almost nothing dripped from the recently severed head. The face seems to be stiff and there seems to be makeup on it. Rigamortis appears to have set in.

15] Berg continues to 'scream' after his windpipe has been cut through.



The Nick Berg Video has many problems
16] The whole time line is completely confused. There are many inconsistencies in the time line. The most obvious is that he was 'found Monday over the weekend'.

17] Between Berg being knocked to the floor and then hacked up, the video cuts for no reason. Any amount of time could have elapsed here.

18] Some people believe this is a two camera shoot. I don't think so since the time code font and location, as well as the color balance, seem the same. If they are two different cameras I think they are the same model, which would be odd. Two cameras would mean a higher level of editing sophistication and that makes me really wonder why the editor would choose not to synch up the sound, etc.

19] The website to which the video was released was down within 90 minutes. All major news organizations supposedly learned of this video and obtained copies within that time. Al Jazeera was unable to access the website 90 minutes after the release.

20] The speaker fumbles the transcript several times and goes back to the same page several times. It appeared he was having trouble reading his own statement. He found five pages of a two sides two page statement to read. There is no matching pause for turning the pages.

21] The speaker is reading from left to right. Arabic (except numbers) is read from right to left.

22] The time codes jump around in way not explainable solely by a two camera set up.

23] Some people have suggested that the audio is just out of time synch. If this is the case then it is out of time synch by substainly different amount at different locations, including an audio cut out of 5 seconds. An analysis of the video can be found at liberty forums.

24] During the hacking up the video camera zooms in indistinctly just when you would expect the filmer to be trying for the most horrid details. If this was a two camera filming, why wasn't the other footage used?

25] The guy hacking off the head has a black hood, there is a very subtle cut at the end (after Thy Will Be Done) and another guy switches places, the tall one with the white mask and black hands. The time code jumps over a minute.

The men in the video weren't Arab 'al-Qaeda Terrorists'
26] 'Zarqawi' is wearing a large gold ring. Islam reportedly forbids men to wear gold jewelry. Even if he didn't care he'd have to know the Arab world would consider him a fraud.

27] The rifle is a Galil variant. This is an Israeli rifle and is considered to be unreliable. Arab militants wouldn't use them. The guns are all either Galils or Mac's.

28] Zarqawi is thought to be dead and is known to have an artificial leg. Clearly the man hacking off the head didn't. The CIA has previously reported both of these facts and has made no acknowledgement of, or explanation for, changing their minds.

29] Zarqawi is known to have a tattoo on the back of his left hand of three green dots. The man hacking off the head didn't have a tattoo on his hand.

30] All the men had nice WHITE hands. Except in the last 20-30 seconds when the face appears to have been digitally lightened, the hands are as white or whiter than Berg's skin. Arab terrorists don't have white hands. UPDATE, the last man has black hands, this is the very tall one who swaps in at the end to hold up the head.

31] All of the men had identical, nice, clean clothing. It looked new. This is unlikely for rogue combatants in a war zone. It is likely if someone needed some 'terrorist' clothing for a video.

32] Western sports style white shoes are very uncommon in Arab nations. I didn't notice this but it was pointed out by a friend who lived in the Mid east. I looked at the current National Geographic on Iraq and could not find one pair of tennis shoes.

33] If Zarqawi was in the video, why didn't he show his face? It is known to the US already. It would have established the video's authenticity. It would have inspired fear. So why's it covered?

34] The real Zarqawi speaks with a Jordanian accent. According to a CNN mid-eastern expert who is a fluent translator, this 'Zarwaqi' did not speak with a Jordanian accent. She dismissed the possibility of it being him out of hand. The CIA seems to be ignoring this and is virtually certain that the voices match. Why is the CIA so blatantly lying?

35] The 'militants' stood with a Western posture. When they moved in, their movements were rehearsed. Each knew where he was going when the action happened as if it were pre-planned.

36] Three of the 'Arab militants' brought their left hands to their faces during the video. The left hand is unclean in Arabic nations. It is used to wipe one's ass. The left hand is taboo. An Arab wouldn't eat with it or offer it to someone, they are unlikely to touch their eyes with it, it is unclean.

37] Some people have said the men were only adjusting their scarves. If this is so, why aren't they used to wearing such clothing?

38] An Islamic extremist would know the proper way to behead someone. It is the chosen form of execution in Saudi Arabia. It is accomplished with one clean sword stroke to the neck. The person sawing off the head obviously had a great deal of difficulty doing so, owing to the poor choice of blade and technique.

39] The registrant for the 'al Qaeda' website in Malaysia at which the video was originally released is Arab Press House in London, UK. Published at this address are ASHARQ AL-AWSAT, 'The Leading Daily Arab International Newspaper' with a circulation of around a Quarter-Million, and several Arab news magazines. This is a news service, not 'al Qaeda'.

40] Except for the individual reading the prepared statement, the only words said by the other 'terrorists' were "Allah Akbar" over and over. The speech was somewhat slurred. The accent differs significantly from the reader. An Arabic language expert has stated that the other individuals were likely not native speakers of Arabic.

41] This video came out just when it would help the Bush regime the most. Fucktards everywhere are now using it to justify widespread US war crimes. Hardly the sort of reaction Islamic militants would desire, but obviously quite predictable.

42] Berg is wearing an orange uniform identical to those used by the US for detainees.

43] The walls and baseboards are identical to the Abu Ghraib prison. The room size is institutional in size.

44] Berg is shown in a chair identical to those in the prison. These chairs are not extremely rare, but the odds of both chairs being identical is slim.

45] At 13:45:58 an individual with white skin, a military outfit, and a military hat identical to one worn by a guard at Abu Ghraib passes quickly through the lower right of the frame. This person's side re-enters several times. At 13:46:26 their left ear and hat is clearly visible in the lower right of the frame for a second. They have a pen in their left pocket where it would be impossible to reach with their right hand. Left handed individuals are taboo in Islamic cultures, you can not be a left-handed Muslim Arab, you can not write with your left hand. For more a complete analysis of this scene click here.

46] The video never mentions the word 'Al Qaeda', it uses the word al qaed. These are two different words, one is a name and means 'The Base'. The other is not a name and translates as 'one who sits by and does nothing'. This translation is from the CNN arab language expert. She reports that any fluent speaker of Arabic would notice this difference.

47] The speaker in the tape didn't seem to know the correct arabic date and instead stated a day several days after the video was released.

48] Near the end of the video, after the chanting stops, a Western voice says "Thy Will be Done", it then repeats itself and the video instantly cuts. Hear it at Breakfornews.coms

Our Conclusion, The Nick Berg Video is a Fake
If it were for just one or two of the above problems, I could write it off to strange coincidences or inaccurate information. Given the scope of the errors with the official story, it is obvious we are being lied to about the video. It is very difficult to say, ever, who ran a false-flag operation. Who ever made this video had motive and opportunity which narrows it down mostly to Western interests. It is certain that Nick Berg was not executed via decapitation by 'Al-Qaeda Terrorist al-Zarqawi'. It seems quite likely that the video was shot in Abu Ghraib, which would narrow the killers down to those with secure access to that facility.
ATTENTION!!! THIS IS NOT MY VIEW OF THE NICK BERG VIDEO!!

I wonder if they had access to latex gloves...

Wow, that's pretty overwhelming. I now officially believe that that video is not what it seems.

Ryanania, you are naive if you think that terrorists are cold-blooded. That's American propaganda at workThey are normal humans with different ambitions, not cyborgs. Plus, even if you kill thousands of people by bombing places around the world, it's still different from killing one man in a primitive, brutal fashion.

I doubt that Hitler would be able to gut a man, I don't think he'd have the stomach, but he ordered many to be brutally killed. . Also, he couldn't move because 2 men were holding him down, and he was quite possibly busy with the excruciating pain he was being given.Terrorists attack defensless women and children on purpose. That's cold blooded in my book.

And you think america hasn't? If thats what you think you must be the most ignorant person on the planet.
Seen the news? That prison? What nationality were they again?

Not the only instance either. America has bombed whole cities (hiroshima) killing hundreds of thousands. Mostly civilians. And you think these terrorists are bad?

So what 'Psychotic men an women' is saying is that only the Americans are bad, and are usin dead folk to make slaughter videos?
Sick bastards...

Anything on video can be faked.

I agree with what was said about the errors on the video. The only movements visible from Berg throughout the whole video are unconvincing slumps of the shoulders every now and then, which could easily be achieved by the foot of the man behind him. His legs don't move at all, which is very odd considering the uncomfortable position on the hard floor.

I've been researching that beheading video, and I've noticed some odd things about it. For one, I think the guy is dead before they cut his head off. When the begin cutting, there is no blood spray; it just pools on the ground. My aunt, who is a nurse, says that if he were alive, blood would be spraying everywhere. Second, he doesn't move-- or not that I saw-- throughout the whole video. Third, the supposed terrorists in the video have white hands, which is not a trait common among middle eastern peoples. Third (this is more debateable), the men act nervous, not like cold blodded terrorists at all.

What do you think?THis was brought up when the video first came out. I'll stick to the obvious one... YOU CAN TELL THEIR SKIN COLOR? Come on man, it was a web cam! Berg looked red for crap's sake!

Ryanania, you are naive if you think that terrorists are cold-blooded. That's American propaganda at workThey are normal humans with different ambitions, not cyborgs. Plus, even if you kill thousands of people by bombing places around the world, it's still different from killing one man in a primitive, brutal fashion.

I doubt that Hitler would be able to gut a man, I don't think he'd have the stomach, but he ordered many to be brutally killed. . Also, he couldn't move because 2 men were holding him down, and he was quite possibly busy with the excruciating pain he was being given.Terrorists attack defensless women and children on purpose. That's cold blooded in my book.

And you think america hasn't? If thats what you think you must be the most ignorant person on the planet.
Seen the news? That prison? What nationality were they again?

Not the only instance either. America has bombed whole cities (hiroshima) killing hundreds of thousands. Mostly civilians. And you think these terrorists are bad?Terrorists are cold blooded killers. There is no denying that fact. Your pathetic red herring argument does not change that fact.

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I have never watched the video, never will.

I have to see this video now

I'm not so sure about the whole blood spraying thing, I've seen other beheading videos, and the blood really doesn't shoot that much.

Has anyone ever came across the tape of the Russian soldier getting beheaded in Chechneya?(sp?)


No, But i would like to see it.

I've seen it and its more graphic than the guy in Iraq. The sounds are different too. The Russian guy kind of gurgles and doesn't scream as the knife cuts his throat.
I found it more disturbing and shocking than the other one because yuo see more of the Russian guys face.

I'm not so sure about the whole blood spraying thing, I've seen other beheading videos, and the blood really doesn't shoot that much.

I guess some people have been watching too much anime then. :p

Has anyone ever came across the tape of the Russian soldier getting beheaded in Chechneya?(sp?)

Which one?

The long one where they also shoot the guy in the arm? Or the one where they cut out his throat from the inside of his neck?

It would spray quite a bit, at least for a few seconds. Then the heart would all stop beating, and blood doesn't spray without something pumping it.

I've been researching that beheading video, and I've noticed some odd things about it. For one, I think the guy is dead before they cut his head off. When the begin cutting, there is no blood spray; it just pools on the ground. My aunt, who is a nurse, says that if he were alive, blood would be spraying everywhere. Second, he doesn't move-- or not that I saw-- throughout the whole video. Third, the supposed terrorists in the video have white hands, which is not a trait common among middle eastern peoples. Third (this is more debateable), the men act nervous, not like cold blodded terrorists at all.

What do you think?
A guy in another forum posted and i found it quite interesting.

ATTENTION!!! THIS IS NOT MY VIEW OF THE NICK BERG VIDEO!!

the following info is from topplerummy.org

Background on Nick Berg
1] Berg had connections to al Qaeda terrorists strong enough to be questioned by the FBI. His email was used by accused terrorist Zacharias Moussaoui. He reportedly gave his email to an affiliate of Moussaoui's while on a bus ride in Oklahoma. During this period he was arrested several times for vagrancy on his college campus where he was apparently homeless.

2] The United States and the Iraqi police detained Berg for 13 days, not releasing him until his father filed suit. He was detained as a suspected Israeli spy. The US now denies it had anything to do with the detention despite correspondence to the contrary. The Iraqi police also deny any involvement in his detention. They are playing hot potato with it.

3] When Berg was detained he, a Jew, had a copy of the Koran and an anti-semetic book entitled 'The Jewish Problem'. That is just strange. Some have speculated the Koran may have been to help him travel in an Islamic nation, but if Berg took such preparations why didn't he have the Israeli stamp in his passport put in a temporary add in page; This would be normal for someone traveling to both Israel and a Muslim nation since both have problems with the visa stamps of the other.

4] Nick Berg's dad and Berg's tower company appear on a Free Republic 'enemies' list. The list isn't too long. I'm not on it under any alias I've used.

5] Nick Berg's tower company is not registered in his home state of Pennsylvania. While not a legal requirement, state officials report it would be nearly impossible to do business without registering.

6] One of the towers Berg worked on, the biggest and most damaged one, was next to the prison.

7] No one can account for Berg's whereabouts from between April 10th (when his father believes he was killed) and the day his body was found. He looks very clean and well fed to have been held prisoner by savages for over a month.

8] The US has not stated how his body was identified. It didn't have a head. It should have taken some time to ID. Reports have stated that 'his headless body was found ..." His body was identified and his parents notified before the video aired.

9] Berg's body, though he was a civilian, was flown by the military to Dover Air Force Base. According to Department of State Publication 10391, Bureau of Consular Affairs, Revised September 1996, "The U.S. Government cannot pay to have your body buried overseas or returned to the United States." This is a publication intended for Americans living / working abroad as Berg was. His parents requested to be there when it arrived but were denied.



Berg was dead when beheaded, execution faked
10] No blood spurts from his neck as he is supposed to be dying. The amount of blood on the floor is much smaller than it should have been. He should have died from bleeding out and this would have resulted in a couple of liters of blood spurting from his neck. According to medical experts he should have died from bleeding out. Even if his spine was severed quickly he should have continued to bleed until his heart ran out of blood; this was the reason for having straw under the guillotines during the French revolution. These heads would also remain animated for some time.

To see what an expert surgeon has said about the lack of blood click here.
Another doctor, a surgeon and forensic expert has commented here.

11] No blood gets on the hand of 'Zarqawi' even though it was in front of Berg's neck when he should have been bleeding out. Medical experts have commented that blood should have spurted several feet and gotten all over the nearby men.

12] Berg doesn't struggle or even flinch when his head is sawed off with a western style military knife. Any movements can be explained by the way his captors are moving him. Observe that they tension in the direction of the motion, not the opposite direction as if they were holding him still.

13] The body makes no death throws. None. Nada. Most animals, when they die, convulse.

14] Almost nothing dripped from the recently severed head. The face seems to be stiff and there seems to be makeup on it. Rigamortis appears to have set in.

15] Berg continues to 'scream' after his windpipe has been cut through.



The Nick Berg Video has many problems
16] The whole time line is completely confused. There are many inconsistencies in the time line. The most obvious is that he was 'found Monday over the weekend'.

17] Between Berg being knocked to the floor and then hacked up, the video cuts for no reason. Any amount of time could have elapsed here.

18] Some people believe this is a two camera shoot. I don't think so since the time code font and location, as well as the color balance, seem the same. If they are two different cameras I think they are the same model, which would be odd. Two cameras would mean a higher level of editing sophistication and that makes me really wonder why the editor would choose not to synch up the sound, etc.

19] The website to which the video was released was down within 90 minutes. All major news organizations supposedly learned of this video and obtained copies within that time. Al Jazeera was unable to access the website 90 minutes after the release.

20] The speaker fumbles the transcript several times and goes back to the same page several times. It appeared he was having trouble reading his own statement. He found five pages of a two sides two page statement to read. There is no matching pause for turning the pages.

21] The speaker is reading from left to right. Arabic (except numbers) is read from right to left.

22] The time codes jump around in way not explainable solely by a two camera set up.

23] Some people have suggested that the audio is just out of time synch. If this is the case then it is out of time synch by substainly different amount at different locations, including an audio cut out of 5 seconds. An analysis of the video can be found at liberty forums.

24] During the hacking up the video camera zooms in indistinctly just when you would expect the filmer to be trying for the most horrid details. If this was a two camera filming, why wasn't the other footage used?

25] The guy hacking off the head has a black hood, there is a very subtle cut at the end (after Thy Will Be Done) and another guy switches places, the tall one with the white mask and black hands. The time code jumps over a minute.

The men in the video weren't Arab 'al-Qaeda Terrorists'
26] 'Zarqawi' is wearing a large gold ring. Islam reportedly forbids men to wear gold jewelry. Even if he didn't care he'd have to know the Arab world would consider him a fraud.

27] The rifle is a Galil variant. This is an Israeli rifle and is considered to be unreliable. Arab militants wouldn't use them. The guns are all either Galils or Mac's.

28] Zarqawi is thought to be dead and is known to have an artificial leg. Clearly the man hacking off the head didn't. The CIA has previously reported both of these facts and has made no acknowledgement of, or explanation for, changing their minds.

29] Zarqawi is known to have a tattoo on the back of his left hand of three green dots. The man hacking off the head didn't have a tattoo on his hand.

30] All the men had nice WHITE hands. Except in the last 20-30 seconds when the face appears to have been digitally lightened, the hands are as white or whiter than Berg's skin. Arab terrorists don't have white hands. UPDATE, the last man has black hands, this is the very tall one who swaps in at the end to hold up the head.

31] All of the men had identical, nice, clean clothing. It looked new. This is unlikely for rogue combatants in a war zone. It is likely if someone needed some 'terrorist' clothing for a video.

32] Western sports style white shoes are very uncommon in Arab nations. I didn't notice this but it was pointed out by a friend who lived in the Mid east. I looked at the current National Geographic on Iraq and could not find one pair of tennis shoes.

33] If Zarqawi was in the video, why didn't he show his face? It is known to the US already. It would have established the video's authenticity. It would have inspired fear. So why's it covered?

34] The real Zarqawi speaks with a Jordanian accent. According to a CNN mid-eastern expert who is a fluent translator, this 'Zarwaqi' did not speak with a Jordanian accent. She dismissed the possibility of it being him out of hand. The CIA seems to be ignoring this and is virtually certain that the voices match. Why is the CIA so blatantly lying?

35] The 'militants' stood with a Western posture. When they moved in, their movements were rehearsed. Each knew where he was going when the action happened as if it were pre-planned.

36] Three of the 'Arab militants' brought their left hands to their faces during the video. The left hand is unclean in Arabic nations. It is used to wipe one's ass. The left hand is taboo. An Arab wouldn't eat with it or offer it to someone, they are unlikely to touch their eyes with it, it is unclean.

37] Some people have said the men were only adjusting their scarves. If this is so, why aren't they used to wearing such clothing?

38] An Islamic extremist would know the proper way to behead someone. It is the chosen form of execution in Saudi Arabia. It is accomplished with one clean sword stroke to the neck. The person sawing off the head obviously had a great deal of difficulty doing so, owing to the poor choice of blade and technique.

39] The registrant for the 'al Qaeda' website in Malaysia at which the video was originally released is Arab Press House in London, UK. Published at this address are ASHARQ AL-AWSAT, 'The Leading Daily Arab International Newspaper' with a circulation of around a Quarter-Million, and several Arab news magazines. This is a news service, not 'al Qaeda'.

40] Except for the individual reading the prepared statement, the only words said by the other 'terrorists' were "Allah Akbar" over and over. The speech was somewhat slurred. The accent differs significantly from the reader. An Arabic language expert has stated that the other individuals were likely not native speakers of Arabic.

41] This video came out just when it would help the Bush regime the most. f--- everywhere are now using it to justify widespread US war crimes. Hardly the sort of reaction Islamic militants would desire, but obviously quite predictable.

42] Berg is wearing an orange uniform identical to those used by the US for detainees.

43] The walls and baseboards are identical to the Abu Ghraib prison. The room size is institutional in size.

44] Berg is shown in a chair identical to those in the prison. These chairs are not extremely rare, but the odds of both chairs being identical is slim.

45] At 13:45:58 an individual with white skin, a military outfit, and a military hat identical to one worn by a guard at Abu Ghraib passes quickly through the lower right of the frame. This person's side re-enters several times. At 13:46:26 their left ear and hat is clearly visible in the lower right of the frame for a second. They have a pen in their left pocket where it would be impossible to reach with their right hand. Left handed individuals are taboo in Islamic cultures, you can not be a left-handed Muslim Arab, you can not write with your left hand. For more a complete analysis of this scene click here.

46] The video never mentions the word 'Al Qaeda', it uses the word al qaed. These are two different words, one is a name and means 'The Base'. The other is not a name and translates as 'one who sits by and does nothing'. This translation is from the CNN arab language expert. She reports that any fluent speaker of Arabic would notice this difference.

47] The speaker in the tape didn't seem to know the correct arabic date and instead stated a day several days after the video was released.

48] Near the end of the video, after the chanting stops, a Western voice says "Thy Will be Done", it then repeats itself and the video instantly cuts. Hear it at Breakfornews.coms

Our Conclusion, The Nick Berg Video is a Fake
If it were for just one or two of the above problems, I could write it off to strange coincidences or inaccurate information. Given the scope of the errors with the official story, it is obvious we are being lied to about the video. It is very difficult to say, ever, who ran a false-flag operation. Who ever made this video had motive and opportunity which narrows it down mostly to Western interests. It is certain that Nick Berg was not executed via decapitation by 'Al-Qaeda Terrorist al-Zarqawi'. It seems quite likely that the video was shot in Abu Ghraib, which would narrow the killers down to those with secure access to that facility.
ATTENTION!!! THIS IS NOT MY VIEW OF THE NICK BERG VIDEO!!Thing is, with that many errors, I'd almost rule out the possibility of a tactical fake. I mean, surely the government would have thought of these things. Now the evidence itself goes against it being real, so are we looking at an amateur faking?

...just like those fake landings on the Moon, etc., etc.

We must always blame America first, without fail. America is the only true focus of evil in the world. Only we are capable of hate crimes, racism, etc. Never, ever forget that the rest of the world are only our victims.

The CIA staged the execution at Abu Grhaib prison, so that Halyburton would be able to reap more profits from stolen Iraqi oil revenues, and part of the petrol stolen from Iraq is converted into jet fuel for those mysterious black helicopters.

Yeah, right; as if...

You conspiracy people need to get a life...please.

...just like those fake landings on the Moon, etc., etc.

We must always blame America first, without fail. America is the only true focus of evil in the world. Only we are capable of hate crimes, racism, etc. Never, ever forget that the rest of the world are only our victims.

The CIA staged the execution at Abu Grhaib prison, so that Halyburton would be able to reap more profits from stolen Iraqi oil revenues, and part of the petrol stolen from Iraq is converted into jet fuel for those mysterious black helicopters.

Yeah, right; as if...

You conspiracy people need to get a life...please.

Sounds like you just exposed the "We'll invent conspiracies so we can get what we want" conspiracy.
Don't worry, those arent black helicopters approaching, just stay calm and relax. 8)

*arrives in on black helicopter*

You conspiracy people need to get a life...please.Its not as if I spend all day doing this stuff

*takes a drag*

I don't!

waaaaiiittt!

wow... i feel sick, again, looking through this thread.

first, that yall are still sick enough to watch these beheading tapes over and over... and that they are available for bootleg on kazaa is even more disturbing.
thats so grossly perverted. please see my last post in this thread.

it doesnt matter, however, whether he was dead or not when he was beheaded. yall are totally missing the point.
the point is that those terrorists killed him, by some means. they murdered him. you just don't know how.
stop theorizing. leave it alone. you're not going to find answers. whats done is done, and it doesnt make an ounce of difference to you, and whatever you do, it won't bring him back to life.
yall treat this matter as if its so commonplace... show a little bit of respect for the murdered.
i wouldnt want someone watching me be beheaded over and over, and then undermine it. regardless if i was dead or n ot at the time.

the point is that those terrorists killed him, by some means. they murdered him. you just don't know how.Well that is the most important thing thats in question.

the point is that those terrorists killed him, by some means. they murdered him. you just don't know how.Well that is the most important thing thats in question.
how can it be in question? there is no doubt that he is dead. :?
its just sort of pointless.

the point is that those terrorists killed him, by some means. they murdered him. you just don't know how.Well that is the most important thing thats in question.
how can it be in question? there is no doubt that he is dead. :?
its just sort of pointless.No, theres no doubt that he is dead, there is doubt whether terrorists killed him.

the point is that those terrorists killed him, by some means. they murdered him. you just don't know how.Well that is the most important thing thats in question.
how can it be in question? there is no doubt that he is dead. :?
its just sort of pointless.No, theres no doubt that he is dead, there is doubt whether terrorists killed him.
how else could he have died though? its not like they picked up his dead body on the side of the street...
and there is no way for us to tell, really. just theorize and speculate.

the point is that those terrorists killed him, by some means. they murdered him. you just don't know how.Well that is the most important thing thats in question.
how can it be in question? there is no doubt that he is dead. :?
its just sort of pointless.No, theres no doubt that he is dead, there is doubt whether terrorists killed him.
how else could he have died though? its not like they picked up his dead body on the side of the street...
and there is no way for us to tell, really. just theorize and speculate.Well speculation preceded investigation in Watergate. Inconsistancies which didn't add up lead to the biggest government conspiracy ever being uncovered.

the point is that those terrorists killed him, by some means. they murdered him. you just don't know how.Well that is the most important thing thats in question.
how can it be in question? there is no doubt that he is dead. :?
its just sort of pointless.

The question is what happened to him prior to his kidnapping and why wasn't he tracked better? Given the shady dealings going on in Iraq and the obvious chaos that is the military prison system over there, all sorts of things could have happened. I'm not saying they did, but they could have. Particularly since he was scheduled to leave Iraq but the US military "detained" him.

the point is that those terrorists killed him, by some means. they murdered him. you just don't know how.Well that is the most important thing thats in question.
how can it be in question? there is no doubt that he is dead. :?
its just sort of pointless.

The question is what happened to him prior to his kidnapping and why wasn't he tracked better? Given the shady dealings going on in Iraq and the obvious chaos that is the military prison system over there, all sorts of things could have happened. I'm not saying they did, but they could have. Particularly since he was scheduled to leave Iraq but the US military "detained" him.Another fishy thing is that our government claimed they never had him, but the Iraki police said that they handed him over to the US.

Ryanania, you are naive if you think that terrorists are cold-blooded. That's American propaganda at workThey are normal humans with different ambitions, not cyborgs. Plus, even if you kill thousands of people by bombing places around the world, it's still different from killing one man in a primitive, brutal fashion.

I doubt that Hitler would be able to gut a man, I don't think he'd have the stomach, but he ordered many to be brutally killed. . Also, he couldn't move because 2 men were holding him down, and he was quite possibly busy with the excruciating pain he was being given.Terrorists attack defensless women and children on purpose. That's cold blooded in my book.

And you think america hasn't? If thats what you think you must be the most ignorant person on the planet.
Seen the news? That prison? What nationality were they again?

Not the only instance either. America has bombed whole cities (hiroshima) killing hundreds of thousands. Mostly civilians. And you think these terrorists are bad?Terrorists are cold blooded killers. There is no denying that fact. Your pathetic red herring argument does not change that fact.

What is the difference between someone blowing up a building, and someone blowing up a city? Its all the same.
You clearly said Terrorists attack defensless women and children on purpose. That's cold blooded in my book.
You think hiroshima was an accident? You think all the abuse of REGULAR IRAQI PEOPLE (and many other nations people) was an accident? IT WAS ON PURPOSE YOU FOOL!
According to your statement, the american government are terrorists.

...the way so many of you are ready to believe that the evil Americans are responsible for all the problems in the world, each and every one. Easier for you people to believe that we use our captured flying saucers to spread mayhem, than to believe that hate-filled Islamic radicals get their jollies from murdering people they percieve to be their enemies.

You conspiracy people may someday come to the realization that there is real evil and hate out there, and sometimes that's all that's behind some of the horrible acts that people commit.

Until then, enjoy your FBI-Area 51-Who shot JFK-black helicopters-Blame America First-Elvis is Alive-the Jews staged 9/11 world of yours.

:arrow: :arrow: Oh, by the way, has anyone ever told you how ridiculously silly you all sound?

Poochi: let them keep talking. It's quite amusing to see the armchair murder experts analyze.

Most medical experts now agree he was beheaded after he was dead. This is based on the fact that the blood pooled and didn't spray. The screaming in the background could of been any one for effect. The same thing happened with Pearl, he was beheaded after he was shot to death.

Death is death.. but this was some what of a hoax.

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Last thing we know, berg is dead. Next to last thing we know, he's reported "safe" in US or Iraqi police custody.

One of the killers wears a wedding ring. Moslems do not do this.

Berg is a pacifist, a peacemaker. He has a Mennonite funeral and is buried in a Mennonite cemetary. The US military is more likely to want him dead than any Iraqis are.

...the way so many of you are ready to believe that the evil Americans are responsible for all the problems in the world, each and every one. Easier for you people to believe that we use our captured flying saucers to spread mayhem, than to believe that hate-filled Islamic radicals get their jollies from murdering people they percieve to be their enemies.

You conspiracy people may someday come to the realization that there is real evil and hate out there, and sometimes that's all that's behind some of the horrible acts that people commit.

Until then, enjoy your FBI-Area 51-Who shot JFK-black helicopters-Blame America First-Elvis is Alive-the Jews staged 9/11 world of yours.

:arrow: :arrow: Oh, by the way, has anyone ever told you how ridiculously silly you all sound?

You know, trying to reduce this to the level of a tin-foil hat conspiracy when there are legitimate questions surrounding this event is both insulting and laughably transparent. It's a pitiful tactic used by those who either don't have answers or don't want them.

Fact 1: There are inconsistencies in the Berg beheading videotape that most doctors now acknolwedge.

Fact 2: There are inconsistencies in the tracking of Berg prior to his release and kidnapping.

Fact 3: The US denies holding him although the Iraqi police force has records of turning him over to the US forces.

Fact 4: Berg missed his flight out of Iraq because he was being detained by US forces...which deny detaining him although there are records.

Fact 5: The Berg family is in possession of e-mails from the State Department saying they have Berg in custody. The State Department now denys sending these e-mails, even though the Berg family has shown them to the press and they are verified.

Conclusion: These facts at least point to gross incompetence on the part of prisoner tracking in Iraq by our armed forces. More ominous, there appears to be a true breakdown in information and some sort of cover up taking place. Berg, who should have been a rallying point, has quickly disappeared from the media and the White House radar. Why was the slaughter of this innocent man, a peacemaker and member of a peace testiment church, who was over there to only help rebuild Iraq, so quickly dropped by this administration?