NationStates Jolt Archive

Asked if he would support a state constitutional amendment barring gay and lesbian marriages, Kerry didn’t rule out the possibility. ‘I’ll have to see what language there is,’ he said.

(Susan Milligan, “Kerry Says GOP May Target Him On ‘Wedge Issue,’” The Boston Globe, 2/6/04)

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John Kerry says he might support Bush's constitutional ammedment against gay marriage.

And yet, you still use Bush's stance on gay marriage against him...

Is John Kerry REALLY that much better than Bush?

Yeah, ok, I know I'd stop doing this, but it keeps coming up, because some people still like to bash bush over these issues that John kerry supports, supported, or says he might support.

Yeah...but at least he Isnt bush

Anyway, its not out of his style. He dudn't care about the issue. He cares when its presented to him as a Bill, then he can Articulate his position and know the Bill he is voting for Represents his position perfectly.

I dont think its any different from the Military funding Bill.

Is John Kerry REALLY that much better than Bush?

In a word--Yes. The article you cite dates back to February and he was saying that he might support a state amendment if it included rights for civil unions. President Bush wants to enshrine discrimination into the national constitution that would remove even the possibility for civil unions. Read the Musgrave amendment--it would outlaw all possibilities for civil unions. That's what Bush wants. Kerry said he would consider--note that word, consider--a state amendment that would allow for civil unions. He certainly didn't endorse such a plan.

And as far as I know, nobody has asked him about it since Massachussetts started marrying same-sex couples. Bush, however, has repeated his calls for banning same-sex unions. There's a world of difference between the two--don't try to act like there isn't.

Asked if he would support a state constitutional amendment barring gay and lesbian marriages, Kerry didn’t rule out the possibility. ‘I’ll have to see what language there is,’ he said.

(Susan Milligan, “Kerry Says GOP May Target Him On ‘Wedge Issue,’” The Boston Globe, 2/6/04)

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John Kerry says he might support Bush's constitutional ammedment against gay marriage.

And yet, you still use Bush's stance on gay marriage against him...

Is John Kerry REALLY that much better than Bush?

Yeah, ok, I know I'd stop doing this, but it keeps coming up, because some people still like to bash bush over these issues that John kerry supports, supported, or says he might support.
ANYBODY has got to be better than Bush. I think he gives America a bad name.

i believe the key word there is STATE
marriage laws are a state by state issue not a federal government issue
so speaking as a citizen of massachusetts he MAY favor a constitutional ammendment to the massachusetts constitution that bans gay marriage in massachusetts

he wont be proposing an ammendment to the US constitution making marriage a federal issue

even bill clinton signed a law into effect that allows states to not recognized gay marriages performed in other states

Asked if he would support a state constitutional amendment barring gay and lesbian marriages, Kerry didn’t rule out the possibility. ‘I’ll have to see what language there is,’ he said.

(Susan Milligan, “Kerry Says GOP May Target Him On ‘Wedge Issue,’” The Boston Globe, 2/6/04)

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John Kerry says he might support Bush's constitutional ammedment against gay marriage.

And yet, you still use Bush's stance on gay marriage against him...

Is John Kerry REALLY that much better than Bush?

Yeah, ok, I know I'd stop doing this, but it keeps coming up, because some people still like to bash bush over these issues that John kerry supports, supported, or says he might support.How can I overlook it? Cos he has to say that to appease the Bible Belt. Also cos its sloppy politics to judge a bill before you even know what its says. And I know that if it says that gay unions should be outlawed in all states under all circumstances, that he'll stand against it, whereas if it says that civil unions are acceptable or that the issue should be left to the states to decide he'll probably go for it (both of which are perfectly acceptable positions IMO)

I knew that, and I'm not a Kerry supporter, but I'll vote for anyone other than Bush at this point.

I really don't see why you would vote for Kerry at all, at least Bush stands firm on an issue and not change his mind every couple of months...

"I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." -- John Kerry

Uhhh..Ok.....

Given the choice of Kerry and Bush, I'll take Bush, thank you very much.

Hearing that makes me wonder how many will vote for Nader.

I knew that, and I'm not a Kerry supporter, but I'll vote for anyone other than Bush at this point.

Hearing that makes me wonder how many will vote for Nader.

Most people will figure out a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush.

Talk about flimsy. Talk about clutching at straws.

"I still haven't got a policy on this."

OMFG!!!ROFLMAO!!!Acommieliberal!!!

Feeble. :roll:

I really don't see why you would vote for Kerry at all, at least Bush stands firm on an issue and not change his mind every couple of months...

"I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." -- John Kerry

Uhhh..Ok.....

Given the choice of Kerry and Bush, I'll take Bush, thank you very much.Bush stands firm on an issue--HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Bush flips so often it's insane--his campaign ads ought to have a freshly landed grouper bouncing around on a pier with the words "Bush on the issues" right beneath it.

Dept. of Homeland Security, anyone? Bush opposed it but signed the bill under extreme public pressure. 9-11 Commission? Bush didn't want it, but signed it when the public wouldn't let up on him. WMD Commission? Bush didn't want it, then he signed off on it. Same sex marriage? In 2000, candidate Bush said it was a state's rights issue. Now it's a national issue. Nation building? Candidate Bush didn't like it--President Bush likes it. Saddam/Al Qaeda link? First there was, then there wasn't. (There still isn't.)

I could go on all day if you like.

Its good politics for Kerry to swing to the right a bit. Because Bush is always going to be further right than Kerry, so whats the problem? I don't like it much, but if its what he needs to do to win, thats fine by me.

Its good politics for Kerry to swing to the right a bit. Because Bush is always going to be further right than Kerry, so whats the problem? I don't like it much, but if its what he needs to do to win, thats fine by me.The thing is, Spoff, he's not even to the right on this. The article dates back to February and was addressing a state amendment that would allow for civil unions--and he wasn't even fully onboard with that. Turns out the whole argument is moot because the marriages are happening even now.

But if you were to say even a year ago that the right wing of the Democratic party was arguing for same-sex civil unions, most people would say you were nuts--now that's the centrist position. The center of this debate has moved far more in the past year than I would have ever dreamed.

Its good politics for Kerry to swing to the right a bit. Because Bush is always going to be further right than Kerry, so whats the problem? I don't like it much, but if its what he needs to do to win, thats fine by me.The thing is, Spoff, he's not even to the right on this. The article dates back to February and was addressing a state amendment that would allow for civil unions--and he wasn't even fully onboard with that. Turns out the whole argument is moot because the marriages are happening even now.

But if you were to say even a year ago that the right wing of the Democratic party was arguing for same-sex civil unions, most people would say you were nuts--now that's the centrist position. The center of this debate has moved far more in the past year than I would have ever dreamed.Sorry, I meant on top of what you'd already said.

Gay marriage is not the biggest issue. Besides I'm not gay so what do I care about gay marriage.

It's big for Raysia because he imagines it will lead to a Bush victory in November.

Gay marriage is not the biggest issue. Besides I'm not gay so what do I care about gay marriage.

As long as they don't start coming for me, i'm fine either way. :lol:

At this point I'm convinced he believes that he'll be forced to marry a guy. Or secretly wants to....

At this point I'm convinced he believes that he'll be forced to marry a guy. Or secretly wants to....LOL!!

I really don't see why you would vote for Kerry at all, at least Bush stands firm on an issue and not change his mind every couple of months...

"I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." -- John Kerry

Uhhh..Ok.....

Given the choice of Kerry and Bush, I'll take Bush, thank you very much.

Yeah, uh, let's take something out of context and spout a Bush commercial. Good job there.

Bush stands firm enough to say during the 2000 presidential elections that he believed gay marriage is a state issue and should never be placed in the hands of the federal government. Now that he has a way to appease the right he believes the federal government should intervene? Standing firm is he?

I think Kerry is a good choice. He is a little more realistic than Bush, and he's actually got some life experience beyond that of upper class social privilege. He will also, no matter how liberal you feel he is, be constrained by the overall feelings of the country on key issues. You might be surprised at how much our feelings really count, as long as we voice them. It's why most politicians and advertisers spend so much of their time trying to manipulate them.

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Easy.
Get rid of the worst president you've had since the war and then fight and argue with someone who brings at least a little compassion into politics.