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i do not belive war is the answer to many problems. thar is why the union of stepford was created it was made for wars haters ruled by a war hater and that is me i think there is a wars in the north pacific now that is why i moved to stepford this place is perfect but a little strange. :( :( :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is mearly wishful thinking at its worst!

You can't exactly solve world conflicts by a game of cards so war is usually the answer, even though none of us actually like it.

Or a game of poker might work. I dunno. :x

that is what i mean. I like the way both of you speak about what you like but it (war) is wrong and too bad poker wont be the other way

There is such a thing as a "just war", my friends, one where lives lost, though regrettable, are nonetheless unavoidable when achieving a higher good. I mean, look at today's date: June 6, 2004. What would the world be like if, 60 years ago, Eisenhower and Montgomery gave up at Normandy? The Nazis would most likely still be running Europe, and probably most of Africa as well as the Middle East. No, Ike and Monty DIDN'T give up because they knew they were working towards a monumental goal (the destruction of fascism). Their soldiers knew this as well, and henceforth sacrificed their own lives in order to achieve said goal. That, my friends is a just war.

to hell with all of you except the person whow wrote the big paragraph :evil:

War is inevitable and necessary to fight the tyranny of evil.

to hell with all of you except the person whow wrote the big paragraph :evil:


Try to be nice, or the Mods might do something. But debates go in the General forum.

yeah youre right i am sorry who are the mods

:D We are.

Tactical Grace
UN Delegate / Minister of War / Defence Consultancy
Mercia The Next Generation (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=Mercia_The_Next_Generation)

to hell with all of you except the person whow wrote the big paragraph :evil:

That would be me, I imagine. Thanks a lot, Stepford. :)

i do not belive war is the answer to many problems. thar is why the union of stepford was created it was made for wars haters ruled by a war hater and that is me i think there is a wars in the north pacific now that is why i moved to stepford this place is perfect but a little strange. :( :( :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Yeah! I mean, dude, the only thing that like, war and stuff ever did for the world is like, end slavery, communism, facsism, and other forms of social and economic oppression! Dude, now I just wanna like, hug a tree, or sing a song, or maybe even eat some tofu!
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i do not belive war is the answer to many problems. thar is why the union of stepford was created it was made for wars haters ruled by a war hater and that is me i think there is a wars in the north pacific now that is why i moved to stepford this place is perfect but a little strange. :( :( :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

your point being? its sorta human nature to hack and slice and hit each other with pointy objects when we get pissed.

There is no problem that cannot be solved with a suitable application of high explosives. (You can thank Mentholyptus for that little gem)

i do not belive war is the answer to many problems thar is why the union of stepford was created it was made for wars haters ruled by a war hater and that is me i think there is a wars in the north pacific now that is why i moved to stepford this place is perfect but a little strange. :( :( :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:You gave me the perfect opportunity to use this. Thank you.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021011l.gif

*raises eyebrows*

What does that have to do with war? :P

You know, the last time I checked, the little dot at the end of sentences was a "Full Stop." At least, it is for anyone who doesn't live in the US or Canada...

On a more On-Topic Note, War is good for many things. Without Wars, we wouldn't have:

Jet Engines
Kevlar
Nuclear Power
The Space Programme (and all the benefits from that)
Aircraft that can fly faster than a horse can gallop
Radio
Radar
Sonar
Computers

... You get the idea. :D

*raises eyebrows*

What does that have to do with war? :P



Stepford wrote:
i do not belive war is the answer to many problems. thar is why the union of stepford was created it was made for wars haters ruled by a war hater and that is me i think there is a wars in the north pacific now that is why i moved to stepford this place is perfect but a little strange.




He doesn't use any punctuation.

War kicks ass.

A good cause doesnt justify a war, a good war justifies a cause.

- Nietzsche (although i maybe paraphrasing somewhat)

War has never solved anything....well....except maybe...communism,socialism,naziism,terrorism, and American independence.

Peace Out
War On

(Truck pulls up letting out troopers wearing MDS symbols, Moderation Death Squads. They pile in and surround Stanford)

Don't like violence eh?

Boys...this man is in violation of code 932211....

(they beat him with tonfas then they all leave)

http://www.seattleweekly.com/graphics/features/9948/policebig.jpg

Stepford, While war is not always a fun thing, it is neccessary. As my spokesperson put, war is sometimes the only solution. So consider the possibility and stop living your fantasy

http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff/earthgifs/world.gif

As long as mankind exists on this poor, pillaged planet there will always be warfare and all flavours of violence. The best that the best can do is to at least try jaw jaw before war war.

*singing*

War, Huh!

Good god y'all! What is it good for?

Huh!

Abosolutely Nothin'

I like war

A good cause doesnt justify a war, a good war justifies a cause.

- Nietzsche (although i maybe paraphrasing somewhat)

well,i dont think that that is appropiate to say with a name like "Aryan Supremecy"

Anyway, back to the topic. Stepford, let me ask you a few questions. {I'm going to talk like my old Social Studies teacher} How old are you? Are you wll educated? If so, then are you well educated in world history? War has been the only solution to almost everything in history. For example, you wouldn't be an bratliving in this fine country of ours if not for the American Revolution. Yes, that was a war. A bloody war. The Nazis would still rule Europe if not for world WAR II. South Korea would be ruled today by the Northern Communists if not for the Korean WAR. The people of Afghanistan would still be under the brutal oppresion of the Taliban, if not for the WAR that America declared against the Taliban and Al-Quada Terrorists. If not for the War in Iraq, Saddam Hussein would still be killing Hundreds of Thousands of his own civilians {yes you anti-war brats, that is true} if not for the WAR in Iraq. Do i have to go on?

A good cause doesnt justify a war, a good war justifies a cause.

- Nietzsche (although i maybe paraphrasing somewhat)

well,i dont think that that is appropiate to say with a name like "Aryan Supremecy"

Anyway, back to the topic. Stepford, let me ask you a few questions. {I'm going to talk like my old Social Studies teacher} How old are you? Are you wll educated? If so, then are you well educated in world history? War has been the only solution to almost everything in history. For example, you wouldn't be an bratliving in this fine country of ours if not for the American Revolution. Yes, that was a war. A bloody war. The Nazis would still rule Europe if not for world WAR II. South Korea would be ruled today by the Northern Communists if not for the Korean WAR. The people of Afghanistan would still be under the brutal oppresion of the Taliban, if not for the WAR that America declared against the Taliban and Al-Quada Terrorists. If not for the War in Iraq, Saddam Hussein would still be killing Hundreds of Thousands of his own civilians {yes you anti-war brats, that is true} if not for the WAR in Iraq. Do i have to go on?
http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff/earthgifs/world.gif

I don't think calling anyone an anti-war brat is gonna do much for your argument. I understand and agree to a degree with what you say. What you fail to say of course, is that war begats war. Of course it was right to fight the Nazis, but that war was fought because Hitler started a bad war. The nature of humans is a mix from philanthropy and altruism to violence and murder. War is the human condition. Sad, sad, sad, but a fact.

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I dont like war. Except if it is to further Germany's agenda and oppress other people who do not agree with the German way. Our values are the beacon of the western world and thus should be imposed on all people of the world. We will achieve this by waging war on everyone aorund us first, to conquer Europe, then waging war on Asia, then waging war on Australia and after that waging war on North and South America.

Instead of suffering through the horrible events that unfortunately tend to happen, such as thousands of civilian casualties (more commonly referred to as collateral damage, after all its not humans dieing but some inanimate objects...), all nations might aswell freely submit to the glorious, right, god-blessed and most holy value of the German nation,which we will happily share with the entire world. War will serve as the vehicle to spread our great values.

God Bless Germany and nobody else!
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War is only a "solution" for those who know with a certainty that they have a chance at winning the armed conflict. The innocent victims of any war, would most likely not agree with the statements uttered by war supporters.

Yeah, war's a bad things, and anyone who doesn't think so, obviouslly hasn't been to war, or known anyone who has been to war. But just try telling that to President Bush, who has started a war with Iraq, based on "evidence" that WMDs exist there, when really, there isn't any evidence at all. He fights it for vengence for his father or somethign like that (even though we kinda won the first war too). War's just what makes this country go 'round I'm afraid. Sometimes I feel like wars are started just for fun (i.e. the war of terror, a war we can't win, but we only create more terrorists). One day, I hope we will be above war, but that day isn't gonna be this week.

There is only ONE purpose to war, to win it. You don't start a war unless you can win it.

If you pit Pacifists versus people willing to go to war then the obvious outcome is that those pacifists will perish. Those people who take the principled stance of non-violence place their safety into the hands of others. All of our states are based on the principle that either a volunteer force or a professional army of men and women will defend you.

a volunteer force or a professional army of men and women will defend you.

Yo usaid it quite correctly. A force that will DEFEND you. Defence is not preemptive offense. Defence is to protect something from attack, not to attack yourself. If you attack yourself, then you are the attacker and the other party is the defender.

The purpose of war is to "solve things" as you said. If it is to "win it" then that would not be a solution, would it? For some a solution might not be what it is to others. The term "solution" clearly depends on the point of view.

Personally I would take arms if I had to *defend* myself, however I refuse to attack someone to avoid an attack which might or might not happen. After all, I can not foresee the future. I would never attack someone.

Btw, there have been wars started without a chance of winning them, such as the "war on terrorism" ;)

"One death is a tragedy, One Million deaths is a statistic."
-Joseph Vissarionvich Djvugashvili (Stalin)

Lets have more statistics. Its better than tragedies.

"War is nothing more than the continuation of politics by other means."
-Carl von Clausewitz

Your want poltics? You gotta have war.

It's all the diplomats' fault. Without the diplomats to screw up relationships, we wouldn't NEED the soldiers. But we wouldn't have the benefits of it that we have gotten to reap. For example, without war, we wouldn't be posting these.

The choices are not war or peace, it is fight, or surrender.

Noone in their right mind want war(yes Bush doesnt want war either) but when it is thrust upon us, some react positivly and fight back, while others run away.

When I was a young man I carried my pack
And I lived the free life of a rover
From the Murrays green basin to the dusty outback
I waltzed my Matilda all over
Then in nineteen fifteen my country said Son
It's time to stop rambling 'cause there's work to be done
So they gave me a tin hat and they gave me a gun
And they sent me away to the war
And the band played Waltzing Matilda
As we sailed away from the quay
And amidst all the tears and the shouts and the cheers
We sailed off to Gallipoli

How well I remember that terrible day
How the blood stained the sand and the water
And how in that hell that they called Suvla Bay
We were butchered like lambs at the slaughter
Johnny Turk he was ready, he primed himself well
He chased us with bullets, he rained us with shells
And in five minutes flat he'd blown us all to hell
Nearly blew us right back to Australia
But the band played Waltzing Matilda
As we stopped to bury our slain
We buried ours and the Turks buried theirs
Then we started all over again

Now those that were left, well we tried to survive
In a mad world of blood, death and fire
And for ten weary weeks I kept myself alive
But around me the corpses piled higher
Then a big Turkish shell knocked me arse over tit
And when I woke up in my hospital bed
And saw what it had done, I wished I was dead
Never knew there were worse things than dying
For no more I'll go waltzing Matilda
All around the green bush far and near
For to hump tent and pegs, a man needs two legs
No more waltzing Matilda for me

So they collected the cripples, the wounded, the maimed
And they shipped us back home to Australia
The armless, the legless, the blind, the insane
Those proud wounded heroes of Suvla
And as our ship pulled into Circular Quay
I looked at the place where my legs used to be
And thank Christ there was nobody waiting for me
To grieve and to mourn and to pity
And the band played Waltzing Matilda
As they carried us down the gangway
But nobody cheered, they just stood and stared
Then turned all their faces away

And now every April I sit on my porch
And I watch the parade pass before me
And I watch my old comrades, how proudly they march
Reliving old dreams of past glory
And the old men march slowly, all bent, stiff and sore
The forgotten heroes from a forgotten war
And the young people ask, "What are they marching for?"
And I ask myself the same question
And the band plays Waltzing Matilda
And the old men answer to the call
But year after year their numbers get fewer
Some day no one will march there at all

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
Who'll come a waltzing Matilda with me
And their ghosts may be heard as you pass the Billabong
Who'll come-a-waltzing Matilda with me?


And the Band Played Walzing Matilda
by Eric Bogle