NationStates Jolt Archive


About American Political Parties

Whittier
06-06-2004, 06:51
I am a republican who has run for office at least 3 times.
Of the three the first two were nonpartisan races. The third was as the Republican nominee for Congress.
There are many people who make much about "differences" between the democrats and the republicans. I worked with legislators and political PACs of both parties and I can tell you for a fact that such "differences" don't exist.
The conflicts and debate are for just show. So they can trick people into voting for them. The republicans don't really give a damn about aborted fetuses or religious rights and the democrats don't really give a shit about minorities, women, labor, or education. What they do is they use this issues to trick voters into being pawns in their power games (which is what American elections really are).
If you listen to what the parties are really saying behind your back, they are saying that they don't really give a damn about you unless you are in their party and give them millions of dollars.
And God help anyone who goes against their official platforms.
I ran as a Republican and ended up waging a media war against the local republicans. It's the same with the Dems, except that the lust of money and power has an even bigger grip with them.
All this stuff going on between the two is totally false bs.
They argue over taxes, the economy, and the war but if Kerry is elected, he is going to continue Bush's policies. There is no difference between the two. America's only hope is 2008 when we can put a third party or strong indpendent candidate (like Swarcheneggar or Jesse Ventura) in the house.
And give the two party machine its eviction notice. This is the only way to set the nation straight. We must fire the two party system.
I am preparing such a movement. Our first move will be in 2006 and we are looking for people who want to run for office. If you live in California the only requirement is that you are 18 and a US citizen.
We are looking to possibly drafting Mr. Ventura for the White House since he has expressed interest.
Meantime, we need people to run for the following:
city councils
school boards
state legislature
state executive
house of reps
senate
To put America back on track we have to take over from the ground up.
Meantime, if you are about to register, I don't recommend either of the two major parties.
Colodia
06-06-2004, 06:55
Our Californian Governor expresses interest, unfortunatly he's Austrian-born. But he requests a revision to the Constitution so that forgein-born can become Presidents.

(sadly, I cannot take part. Being under the voting age)
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:16
Our Californian Governor expresses interest, unfortunatly he's Austrian-born. But he requests a revision to the Constitution so that forgein-born can become Presidents.

(sadly, I cannot take part. Being under the voting age)
Yes. I remember talking to Arnold at the 2000 California Republican Party Convention in one of San Francisco's suburbs. Very politically minded for an actor. A lot of great ideas.
It's unlikely the const. will be changed cause that prohibition is in there to protect us from being taken over by other nations. Every nation on earth requires that you be a natural citizen to qualify to run for pres of their nation.
How old are you?
MKULTRA
06-06-2004, 07:19
I am a republican who has run for office at least 3 times.
Of the three the first two were nonpartisan races. The third was as the Republican nominee for Congress.
There are many people who make much about "differences" between the democrats and the republicans. I worked with legislators and political PACs of both parties and I can tell you for a fact that such "differences" don't exist.
The conflicts and debate are for just show. So they can trick people into voting for them. The republicans don't really give a damn about aborted fetuses or religious rights and the democrats don't really give a shit about minorities, women, labor, or education. What they do is they use this issues to trick voters into being pawns in their power games (which is what American elections really are).
If you listen to what the parties are really saying behind your back, they are saying that they don't really give a damn about you unless you are in their party and give them millions of dollars.
And God help anyone who goes against their official platforms.
I ran as a Republican and ended up waging a media war against the local republicans. It's the same with the Dems, except that the lust of money and power has an even bigger grip with them.
All this stuff going on between the two is totally false bs.
They argue over taxes, the economy, and the war but if Kerry is elected, he is going to continue Bush's policies. There is no difference between the two. America's only hope is 2008 when we can put a third party or strong indpendent candidate (like Swarcheneggar or Jesse Ventura) in the house.
And give the two party machine its eviction notice. This is the only way to set the nation straight. We must fire the two party system.
I am preparing such a movement. Our first move will be in 2006 and we are looking for people who want to run for office. If you live in California the only requirement is that you are 18 and a US citizen.
We are looking to possibly drafting Mr. Ventura for the White House since he has expressed interest.
Meantime, we need people to run for the following:
city councils
school boards
state legislature
state executive
house of reps
senate
To put America back on track we have to take over from the ground up.
Meantime, if you are about to register, I don't recommend either of the two major parties.I think this is one issue conservatives and liberals can agree on--the 2 party system is DEAD--its just 2 wings of the same Vulture
Forumwalker
06-06-2004, 07:21
Eh, ok. I dunno man, I'd like to think the majority of people (this includes politicians) have a moral code and actually care about other people.

But on the subject of political parties, I've been thinking about maybe registering with the Democrats, but now I'm kinda thinking about the Greens.
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 07:23
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)
MKULTRA
06-06-2004, 07:26
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)Im italian too but I dont get what your saying--theres tons of Italian politicians in office
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:29
Eh, ok. I dunno man, I'd like to think the majority of people (this includes politicians) have a moral code and actually care about other people.

But on the subject of political parties, I've been thinking about maybe registering with the Democrats, but now I'm kinda thinking about the Greens.
You'd be better off going green.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:29
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)
What's holding you back?
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:30
I am a republican who has run for office at least 3 times.
Of the three the first two were nonpartisan races. The third was as the Republican nominee for Congress.
There are many people who make much about "differences" between the democrats and the republicans. I worked with legislators and political PACs of both parties and I can tell you for a fact that such "differences" don't exist.
The conflicts and debate are for just show. So they can trick people into voting for them. The republicans don't really give a damn about aborted fetuses or religious rights and the democrats don't really give a shit about minorities, women, labor, or education. What they do is they use this issues to trick voters into being pawns in their power games (which is what American elections really are).
If you listen to what the parties are really saying behind your back, they are saying that they don't really give a damn about you unless you are in their party and give them millions of dollars.
And God help anyone who goes against their official platforms.
I ran as a Republican and ended up waging a media war against the local republicans. It's the same with the Dems, except that the lust of money and power has an even bigger grip with them.
All this stuff going on between the two is totally false bs.
They argue over taxes, the economy, and the war but if Kerry is elected, he is going to continue Bush's policies. There is no difference between the two. America's only hope is 2008 when we can put a third party or strong indpendent candidate (like Swarcheneggar or Jesse Ventura) in the house.
And give the two party machine its eviction notice. This is the only way to set the nation straight. We must fire the two party system.
I am preparing such a movement. Our first move will be in 2006 and we are looking for people who want to run for office. If you live in California the only requirement is that you are 18 and a US citizen.
We are looking to possibly drafting Mr. Ventura for the White House since he has expressed interest.
Meantime, we need people to run for the following:
city councils
school boards
state legislature
state executive
house of reps
senate
To put America back on track we have to take over from the ground up.
Meantime, if you are about to register, I don't recommend either of the two major parties.I think this is one issue conservatives and liberals can agree on--the 2 party system is DEAD--its just 2 wings of the same Vulture
the vulture has a name: the Republicrat Party.
You know its constituent parties.
MKULTRA
06-06-2004, 07:32
I am a republican who has run for office at least 3 times.
Of the three the first two were nonpartisan races. The third was as the Republican nominee for Congress.
There are many people who make much about "differences" between the democrats and the republicans. I worked with legislators and political PACs of both parties and I can tell you for a fact that such "differences" don't exist.
The conflicts and debate are for just show. So they can trick people into voting for them. The republicans don't really give a damn about aborted fetuses or religious rights and the democrats don't really give a shit about minorities, women, labor, or education. What they do is they use this issues to trick voters into being pawns in their power games (which is what American elections really are).
If you listen to what the parties are really saying behind your back, they are saying that they don't really give a damn about you unless you are in their party and give them millions of dollars.
And God help anyone who goes against their official platforms.
I ran as a Republican and ended up waging a media war against the local republicans. It's the same with the Dems, except that the lust of money and power has an even bigger grip with them.
All this stuff going on between the two is totally false bs.
They argue over taxes, the economy, and the war but if Kerry is elected, he is going to continue Bush's policies. There is no difference between the two. America's only hope is 2008 when we can put a third party or strong indpendent candidate (like Swarcheneggar or Jesse Ventura) in the house.
And give the two party machine its eviction notice. This is the only way to set the nation straight. We must fire the two party system.
I am preparing such a movement. Our first move will be in 2006 and we are looking for people who want to run for office. If you live in California the only requirement is that you are 18 and a US citizen.
We are looking to possibly drafting Mr. Ventura for the White House since he has expressed interest.
Meantime, we need people to run for the following:
city councils
school boards
state legislature
state executive
house of reps
senate
To put America back on track we have to take over from the ground up.
Meantime, if you are about to register, I don't recommend either of the two major parties.I think this is one issue conservatives and liberals can agree on--the 2 party system is DEAD--its just 2 wings of the same Vulture
the vulture has a name: the Republicrat Party.
You know its constituent parties.I have a Dream that one day people all over the political spectrum will wage a popular revolt against the Republicrat traitors and allow a Third Party to restore our Republic--Death to the Empire
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 07:33
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)Im italian too but I dont get what your saying--theres tons of Italian politicians in office


No. I mean that just about ALL politicians of Italian decent don't help the rest of us in anyway. I wat to fight for our communisty! I am fighting now, even though i'm not in any political office. I want to do what my job entitles me to do for everyone. But as i am Italian, i want to reconnect all of us together. Instead of being american, we are Italiano-Americano people.

Read this article from my great friend: http://www.totse.com/en/politics/the_world_beyond_the_usa/themeaningofth170698.html

I'm an activist as a person and as an Italian.

Ciao Amico
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:33
I am a republican who has run for office at least 3 times.
Of the three the first two were nonpartisan races. The third was as the Republican nominee for Congress.
There are many people who make much about "differences" between the democrats and the republicans. I worked with legislators and political PACs of both parties and I can tell you for a fact that such "differences" don't exist.
The conflicts and debate are for just show. So they can trick people into voting for them. The republicans don't really give a damn about aborted fetuses or religious rights and the democrats don't really give a shit about minorities, women, labor, or education. What they do is they use this issues to trick voters into being pawns in their power games (which is what American elections really are).
If you listen to what the parties are really saying behind your back, they are saying that they don't really give a damn about you unless you are in their party and give them millions of dollars.
And God help anyone who goes against their official platforms.
I ran as a Republican and ended up waging a media war against the local republicans. It's the same with the Dems, except that the lust of money and power has an even bigger grip with them.
All this stuff going on between the two is totally false bs.
They argue over taxes, the economy, and the war but if Kerry is elected, he is going to continue Bush's policies. There is no difference between the two. America's only hope is 2008 when we can put a third party or strong indpendent candidate (like Swarcheneggar or Jesse Ventura) in the house.
And give the two party machine its eviction notice. This is the only way to set the nation straight. We must fire the two party system.
I am preparing such a movement. Our first move will be in 2006 and we are looking for people who want to run for office. If you live in California the only requirement is that you are 18 and a US citizen.
We are looking to possibly drafting Mr. Ventura for the White House since he has expressed interest.
Meantime, we need people to run for the following:
city councils
school boards
state legislature
state executive
house of reps
senate
To put America back on track we have to take over from the ground up.
Meantime, if you are about to register, I don't recommend either of the two major parties.I think this is one issue conservatives and liberals can agree on--the 2 party system is DEAD--its just 2 wings of the same Vulture
the vulture has a name: the Republicrat Party.
You know its constituent parties.I have a Dream that one day people all over the political spectrum will wage a popular revolt against the Republicrat traitors and allow a Third Party to restore our Republic--Death to the Empire
Amen to that.
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 07:35
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)
What's holding you back?

I have my share of problems.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:36
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)Im italian too but I dont get what your saying--theres tons of Italian politicians in office


No. I mean that just about ALL politicians of Italian decent don't help the rest of us in anyway. I wat to fight for our communisty! I am fighting now, even though i'm not in any political office. I want to do what my job entitles me to do for everyone. But as i am Italian, i want to reconnect all of us together. Instead of being american, we are Italiano-Americano people.

Read this article from my great friend: http://www.totse.com/en/politics/the_world_beyond_the_usa/themeaningofth170698.html

I'm an activist as a person and as an Italian.

Ciao Amico
If the hispanics can be italicized americans, no reason noone else can't be.
What do you mean by fighting for your community?
Have you joined any community groups?
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:37
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)
What's holding you back?

I have my share of problems.
We all do.
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 07:38
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)Im italian too but I dont get what your saying--theres tons of Italian politicians in office


No. I mean that just about ALL politicians of Italian decent don't help the rest of us in anyway. I wat to fight for our communisty! I am fighting now, even though i'm not in any political office. I want to do what my job entitles me to do for everyone. But as i am Italian, i want to reconnect all of us together. Instead of being american, we are Italiano-Americano people.

Read this article from my great friend: http://www.totse.com/en/politics/the_world_beyond_the_usa/themeaningofth170698.html

I'm an activist as a person and as an Italian.

Ciao Amico
If the hispanics can be italicized americans, no reason noone else can't be.
What do you mean by fighting for your community?
Have you joined any community groups?

No, but i want to.
MKULTRA
06-06-2004, 07:40
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)Im italian too but I dont get what your saying--theres tons of Italian politicians in office


No. I mean that just about ALL politicians of Italian decent don't help the rest of us in anyway. I wat to fight for our communisty! I am fighting now, even though i'm not in any political office. I want to do what my job entitles me to do for everyone. But as i am Italian, i want to reconnect all of us together. Instead of being american, we are Italiano-Americano people.

Read this article from my great friend: http://www.totse.com/en/politics/the_world_beyond_the_usa/themeaningofth170698.html

I'm an activist as a person and as an Italian.

Ciao Amico grazie anche te
West Pacific
06-06-2004, 07:40
Their is a point system you can use to find out if someone is Liberal or Conservative, 95% of the population will fall within 3 points of zero (max. diff. -+20 points), so their is very little difference, one just leans a little left of zero, the other just a little right of zero, with alot of intermingling (people who vary based on the issue).
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 07:41
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)
What's holding you back?

I have my share of problems.
We all do.

Yes. Where can i find specific information about politics? Especially local plitics. I don't want to be inexperienced compared to politicians who have been in politics for years. Noone really explains how local politics works.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:41
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)Im italian too but I dont get what your saying--theres tons of Italian politicians in office


No. I mean that just about ALL politicians of Italian decent don't help the rest of us in anyway. I wat to fight for our communisty! I am fighting now, even though i'm not in any political office. I want to do what my job entitles me to do for everyone. But as i am Italian, i want to reconnect all of us together. Instead of being american, we are Italiano-Americano people.

Read this article from my great friend: http://www.totse.com/en/politics/the_world_beyond_the_usa/themeaningofth170698.html

I'm an activist as a person and as an Italian.

Ciao Amico
If the hispanics can be italicized americans, no reason noone else can't be.
What do you mean by fighting for your community?
Have you joined any community groups?

No, but i want to.
You can drop by city hall or any church. You can even stop by the community center. Those are good places to find out about community organisations. And if you can't find one for what you are looking for, you can start one.
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 07:43
Their is a point system you can use to find out if someone is Liberal or Conservative, 95% of the population will fall within 3 points of zero (max. diff. -+20 points), so their is very little difference, one just leans a little left of zero, the other just a little right of zero, with alot of intermingling (people who vary based on the issue).

I really want to know where i fall. I have so many opinions and stances. I will continue to believe in what i believe in. Even if i lose. Atleast i was in there. As an independent, i skip the primaries, heh.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:44
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)
What's holding you back?

I have my share of problems.
We all do.

Yes. Where can i find specific information about politics? Especially local plitics. I don't want to be inexperienced compared to politicians who have been in politics for years. Noone really explains how local politics works.
That and the local power brokers would tend ridicule anyone who was not "experienced". That's been my experience. But I rose above it. And am now a highly respected person in my community. Obviously the very rich and the two local parties hate me now. For which I have been waging a war against them. You have to stand above them. That way you will endear yourself to the community.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:45
Their is a point system you can use to find out if someone is Liberal or Conservative, 95% of the population will fall within 3 points of zero (max. diff. -+20 points), so their is very little difference, one just leans a little left of zero, the other just a little right of zero, with alot of intermingling (people who vary based on the issue).

I really want to know where i fall. I have so many opinions and stances. I will continue to believe in what i believe in. Even if i lose. Atleast i was in there. As an independent, i skip the primaries, heh.
It doesn't matter if you win. The point is to have a platform for your beliefs so others who share those beliefs will have a real choice and not be forced into voting for republicrats.
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 07:45
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)Im italian too but I dont get what your saying--theres tons of Italian politicians in office


No. I mean that just about ALL politicians of Italian decent don't help the rest of us in anyway. I wat to fight for our communisty! I am fighting now, even though i'm not in any political office. I want to do what my job entitles me to do for everyone. But as i am Italian, i want to reconnect all of us together. Instead of being american, we are Italiano-Americano people.

Read this article from my great friend: http://www.totse.com/en/politics/the_world_beyond_the_usa/themeaningofth170698.html

I'm an activist as a person and as an Italian.

Ciao Amico
If the hispanics can be italicized americans, no reason noone else can't be.
What do you mean by fighting for your community?
Have you joined any community groups?

No, but i want to.
You can drop by city hall or any church. You can even stop by the community center. Those are good places to find out about community organisations. And if you can't find one for what you are looking for, you can start one.

Thanks. I was always interested in starting one. But that takes public confidence that i haven't even ventured into yet.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:47
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)Im italian too but I dont get what your saying--theres tons of Italian politicians in office


No. I mean that just about ALL politicians of Italian decent don't help the rest of us in anyway. I wat to fight for our communisty! I am fighting now, even though i'm not in any political office. I want to do what my job entitles me to do for everyone. But as i am Italian, i want to reconnect all of us together. Instead of being american, we are Italiano-Americano people.

Read this article from my great friend: http://www.totse.com/en/politics/the_world_beyond_the_usa/themeaningofth170698.html

I'm an activist as a person and as an Italian.

Ciao Amico
If the hispanics can be italicized americans, no reason noone else can't be.
What do you mean by fighting for your community?
Have you joined any community groups?

No, but i want to.
You can drop by city hall or any church. You can even stop by the community center. Those are good places to find out about community organisations. And if you can't find one for what you are looking for, you can start one.

Thanks. I was always interested in starting one. But that takes public confidence that i haven't even ventured into yet.
At first I wasn't confident either. Then I started one group and then another. Soon I had 5 groups going. (I left them all behind to join the army though).
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 07:48
I live in NJ. Right by the city of Newark. Not exactly the plce to sit down for a cup of tea to talk about political beliefs. I believe that i live in a very liberal area. I'd probably have better chances in Pennsylvania.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:48
It gets easier the more involved in the community you get.
West Pacific
06-06-2004, 07:49
Their is a point system you can use to find out if someone is Liberal or Conservative, 95% of the population will fall within 3 points of zero (max. diff. -+20 points), so their is very little difference, one just leans a little left of zero, the other just a little right of zero, with alot of intermingling (people who vary based on the issue).

I really want to know where i fall. I have so many opinions and stances. I will continue to believe in what i believe in. Even if i lose. Atleast i was in there. As an independent, i skip the primaries, heh.

I've never tried that one, I don't like the political party system, you should pick someone based on how they feel about things that are important to you, not their political party.
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 07:49
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)Im italian too but I dont get what your saying--theres tons of Italian politicians in office


No. I mean that just about ALL politicians of Italian decent don't help the rest of us in anyway. I wat to fight for our communisty! I am fighting now, even though i'm not in any political office. I want to do what my job entitles me to do for everyone. But as i am Italian, i want to reconnect all of us together. Instead of being american, we are Italiano-Americano people.

Read this article from my great friend: http://www.totse.com/en/politics/the_world_beyond_the_usa/themeaningofth170698.html

I'm an activist as a person and as an Italian.

Ciao Amico
If the hispanics can be italicized americans, no reason noone else can't be.
What do you mean by fighting for your community?
Have you joined any community groups?

No, but i want to.
You can drop by city hall or any church. You can even stop by the community center. Those are good places to find out about community organisations. And if you can't find one for what you are looking for, you can start one.

Thanks. I was always interested in starting one. But that takes public confidence that i haven't even ventured into yet.
At first I wasn't confident either. Then I started one group and then another. Soon I had 5 groups going. (I left them all behind to join the army though).

Heh. That's cool. How did you start it? What was it about?
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:51
I live in NJ. Right by the city of Newark. Not exactly the plce to sit down for a cup of tea to talk about political beliefs. I believe that i live in a very liberal area. I'd probably have better chances in Pennsylvania.
I'm from California. A republican in a state that is 60% democrat. My home town, Whittier was 80% democrat when I first ran for office and got involved. After I ran for Congress, it was only 51% democrat and 20% republican. Both parties had lost substantial voters from their rolls cause I told people the parties were lying to them. And the parties are still lying to the peolpe.
I just gave people a real alternative. And I gave the unthankful reps. the biggest vote count they ever got in that district.
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 07:51
Their is a point system you can use to find out if someone is Liberal or Conservative, 95% of the population will fall within 3 points of zero (max. diff. -+20 points), so their is very little difference, one just leans a little left of zero, the other just a little right of zero, with alot of intermingling (people who vary based on the issue).

I really want to know where i fall. I have so many opinions and stances. I will continue to believe in what i believe in. Even if i lose. Atleast i was in there. As an independent, i skip the primaries, heh.

I've never tried that one, I don't like the political party system, you should pick someone based on how they feel about things that are important to you, not their political party.

I don't care about anyones political party. Most play the political game to get into office, i am interested in the minority of politicians.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:52
Their is a point system you can use to find out if someone is Liberal or Conservative, 95% of the population will fall within 3 points of zero (max. diff. -+20 points), so their is very little difference, one just leans a little left of zero, the other just a little right of zero, with alot of intermingling (people who vary based on the issue).

I really want to know where i fall. I have so many opinions and stances. I will continue to believe in what i believe in. Even if i lose. Atleast i was in there. As an independent, i skip the primaries, heh.

I've never tried that one, I don't like the political party system, you should pick someone based on how they feel about things that are important to you, not their political party.
The one thing I have been attacked for is my proposal to ban party designations from statewide ballots. I want all state elections to be nonpartisan by law.
West Pacific
06-06-2004, 07:53
I live in South Dakota, all I have to say is Farming and Hunting and I could win. We had a special election for our seat in the House, the person who won claimed to be a small town girl who knew what South Dakota needed, but she was a lawyer in Washington for 12 years, all she said was Hunting and Farming in her ads and she won, the other candidate was criticized by the media because he pointed that out in several ads of his own. Seems odd to me, South Dakota, farming community, hunting is very important to us, and who won? A lawyer from Washington who hadn't lived in South Dakota for 12 years, we hate lawyers here!
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 07:53
Their is a point system you can use to find out if someone is Liberal or Conservative, 95% of the population will fall within 3 points of zero (max. diff. -+20 points), so their is very little difference, one just leans a little left of zero, the other just a little right of zero, with alot of intermingling (people who vary based on the issue).

I really want to know where i fall. I have so many opinions and stances. I will continue to believe in what i believe in. Even if i lose. Atleast i was in there. As an independent, i skip the primaries, heh.

I've never tried that one, I don't like the political party system, you should pick someone based on how they feel about things that are important to you, not their political party.
The one thing I have been attacked for is my proposal to ban party designations from statewide ballots. I want all state elections to be nonpartisan by law.
I think ALL politics should be non-partisan. Whatever happened to the individual? Should i run for office next election?
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:54
I'm an independent. (I) I am 20 years old and i want to run for office in the future. I unfortunately live in NJ. I am hoping to live up to all my responsibilities. But i want to help the Italiano community directly. as we have been isolated for years when it came to politics. I am a member of NIAF. (National Italian American Foundation)Im italian too but I dont get what your saying--theres tons of Italian politicians in office


No. I mean that just about ALL politicians of Italian decent don't help the rest of us in anyway. I wat to fight for our communisty! I am fighting now, even though i'm not in any political office. I want to do what my job entitles me to do for everyone. But as i am Italian, i want to reconnect all of us together. Instead of being american, we are Italiano-Americano people.

Read this article from my great friend: http://www.totse.com/en/politics/the_world_beyond_the_usa/themeaningofth170698.html

I'm an activist as a person and as an Italian.

Ciao Amico
If the hispanics can be italicized americans, no reason noone else can't be.
What do you mean by fighting for your community?
Have you joined any community groups?

No, but i want to.
You can drop by city hall or any church. You can even stop by the community center. Those are good places to find out about community organisations. And if you can't find one for what you are looking for, you can start one.

Thanks. I was always interested in starting one. But that takes public confidence that i haven't even ventured into yet.
At first I wasn't confident either. Then I started one group and then another. Soon I had 5 groups going. (I left them all behind to join the army though).

Heh. That's cool. How did you start it? What was it about?One was a christian group. Another was to bring democrats and republican students together in common cause. And the other 3 were to protest illegal actions taken by the city in violation of people's rights.
West Pacific
06-06-2004, 07:56
Their is a point system you can use to find out if someone is Liberal or Conservative, 95% of the population will fall within 3 points of zero (max. diff. -+20 points), so their is very little difference, one just leans a little left of zero, the other just a little right of zero, with alot of intermingling (people who vary based on the issue).

I really want to know where i fall. I have so many opinions and stances. I will continue to believe in what i believe in. Even if i lose. Atleast i was in there. As an independent, i skip the primaries, heh.

I've never tried that one, I don't like the political party system, you should pick someone based on how they feel about things that are important to you, not their political party.
The one thing I have been attacked for is my proposal to ban party designations from statewide ballots. I want all state elections to be nonpartisan by law.

I don't see the need for political parties in State elections (State house, senate etc.), political parties are meant to organize people nationwide, so why are they needed in a state election?
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:56
I live in South Dakota, all I have to say is Farming and Hunting and I could win. We had a special election for our seat in the House, the person who won claimed to be a small town girl who knew what South Dakota needed, but she was a lawyer in Washington for 12 years, all she said was Hunting and Farming in her ads and she won, the other candidate was criticized by the media because he pointed that out in several ads of his own. Seems odd to me, South Dakota, farming community, hunting is very important to us, and who won? A lawyer from Washington who hadn't lived in South Dakota for 12 years, we hate lawyers here!
The constit. says you can't require people to be residents of the states they want to rep. in Congress. Though it can be a political issue.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:57
Their is a point system you can use to find out if someone is Liberal or Conservative, 95% of the population will fall within 3 points of zero (max. diff. -+20 points), so their is very little difference, one just leans a little left of zero, the other just a little right of zero, with alot of intermingling (people who vary based on the issue).

I really want to know where i fall. I have so many opinions and stances. I will continue to believe in what i believe in. Even if i lose. Atleast i was in there. As an independent, i skip the primaries, heh.

I've never tried that one, I don't like the political party system, you should pick someone based on how they feel about things that are important to you, not their political party.
The one thing I have been attacked for is my proposal to ban party designations from statewide ballots. I want all state elections to be nonpartisan by law.

I don't see the need for political parties in State elections (State house, senate etc.), political parties are meant to organize people nationwide, so why are they needed in a state election?
they do it so they can keep control of the states and not let the little guy have a chance.
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 07:57
I live in South Dakota, all I have to say is Farming and Hunting and I could win. We had a special election for our seat in the House, the person who won claimed to be a small town girl who knew what South Dakota needed, but she was a lawyer in Washington for 12 years, all she said was Hunting and Farming in her ads and she won, the other candidate was criticized by the media because he pointed that out in several ads of his own. Seems odd to me, South Dakota, farming community, hunting is very important to us, and who won? A lawyer from Washington who hadn't lived in South Dakota for 12 years, we hate lawyers here!

Out here it's about drugs, walfare, and gas.

Let's come up with a few issues to see how we are on them by comparison.

Pro-Life/Pro-Choice

I think that pro-life needs to be law. But in the cases for rape for example, i think it should be investigated. If a rape di ocur, i think an abortion should be optional.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 07:58
Their is a point system you can use to find out if someone is Liberal or Conservative, 95% of the population will fall within 3 points of zero (max. diff. -+20 points), so their is very little difference, one just leans a little left of zero, the other just a little right of zero, with alot of intermingling (people who vary based on the issue).

I really want to know where i fall. I have so many opinions and stances. I will continue to believe in what i believe in. Even if i lose. Atleast i was in there. As an independent, i skip the primaries, heh.

I've never tried that one, I don't like the political party system, you should pick someone based on how they feel about things that are important to you, not their political party.
The one thing I have been attacked for is my proposal to ban party designations from statewide ballots. I want all state elections to be nonpartisan by law.
I think ALL politics should be non-partisan. Whatever happened to the individual? Should i run for office next election?
I would recommend it. Even if you don't win it's still a good experience casue you meet a lot of people. There was this one fellow who ran for state assembly. And he met his wife when he was campaigning for office.
West Pacific
06-06-2004, 07:59
I somehow doubt I could do well in an elevtion here, lets see, my name is Kyle Damien Vande Weerd (I don't care if people know, it's not like you are gonna chase me down and kill me for what I say in NS.), which basically means, Kyle, son of the Devil, from the Woods. Have you any of you read the Crucible? In that book the woods are evil and people think that the devil walks in the woods, yeah, my name wouldn't go over well in that time period either.
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 08:03
As mayor: What would my duties consist of? That's the top elective office in my town. I'd go for anything. Probably the lowest office i could run for. That'd be fun.
Goed
06-06-2004, 08:04
God, there's fricking Kyle's all over the place. I hate my name :lol:

I'm (well, in a month or two, gonna be) a registered independent. What makes me really irritated is when people group independents. Not kidding, when I said I was pro-choice, someone told me "You know, most independents don't feel that way"

Since then I've started my own political party. It's the Kyle Morton political party. It has one member: ME. Nobody else can join.



...I love getting weird looks sometimes :p
Whittier
06-06-2004, 08:04
Gas is an issue regardless of where in the US you are.
Prolife/Pro-choice
Pro-choice is a misnomer. The real choice is either you are pro life or pro abortion. Pro choice really means you don't think people should force their values on others at gun point. It doesn't really say if you support or oppose abortion. I'm a pro life pro choice.
Abortion is wrong but there are emergencies where it is wrong to second guess the woman's decision. Either the baby is going to die anyway, or the woman, baby, or both are endanger of losing their lives. If a child is going to be born a vegie, it should mercifully aborted.
But if its for rape or incest then I oppose. Again, unless the child will end up suffering severe physical stress such as to make his life a living hell.
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 08:05
If i ever ran for school borard, i'd really be in a perdictament, lol. The school system has been ran by people who think that voting blocks are "cool". Well, probably. They always seem to stick together.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 08:06
As mayor: What would my duties consist of? That's the top elective office in my town. I'd go for anything. Probably the lowest office i could run for. That'd be fun.
Start off at the lowest rung. And work your way up. And your cities election officials can give you information on what each office does.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 08:07
If i ever ran for school borard, i'd really be in a perdictament, lol. The school system has been ran by people who think that voting blocks are "cool". Well, probably. They always seem to stick together.
We must smash those voting blocks. They're bad for America.
Goed
06-06-2004, 08:09
I know very well that "pro-choice" doesn't actually take a side. That's why I chose it :p

I'm pro-life, but I also realize that there are cases in which it's going to happen, so I don't think it should be illegal. However, there's gotta be some way to lighten up on those partial birth ones. I mean, those are horrible.
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 08:09
Gas is an issue regardless of where in the US you are.
Prolife/Pro-choice
Pro-choice is a misnomer. The real choice is either you are pro life or pro abortion. Pro choice really means you don't think people should force their values on others at gun point. It doesn't really say if you support or oppose abortion. I'm a pro life pro choice.
Abortion is wrong but there are emergencies where it is wrong to second guess the woman's decision. Either the baby is going to die anyway, or the woman, baby, or both are endanger of losing their lives. If a child is going to be born a vegie, it should mercifully aborted.
But if its for rape or incest then I oppose. Again, unless the child will end up suffering severe physical stress such as to make his life a living hell.

I disagree in your stance on rape victims. Incests..ahh.. i think is illegal in nj anyway? I think that it all depends. The kid has a good chance of being seriously messed up. I think choice hould stick, but i think that the participants of incest should be punished.

Rape shouldn't fall burden to the mother. Even though a very small percentage of women are impregnated from the result of rape, i think that choice should stick.
West Pacific
06-06-2004, 08:11
Out here it's about drugs, walfare, and gas.

Let's come up with a few issues to see how we are on them by comparison.

Pro-Life/Pro-Choice

I think that pro-life needs to be law. But in the cases for rape for example, i think it should be investigated. If a rape di ocur, i think an abortion should be optional.

Interesting you ask that, we just had a proposal to ban abortion in our state, it lost by one vote in the State Senate, the reason it lost was because it said "All forms of abortion, for whatever reason and under any curcumstances, shall be made illegal past the formation of life." It probably would have passed if it had certain circumstances, like rape, as being able to have an abortion, and also, it did not ban abortion, it just said that life started at conception and you can not have an abortion once life has started, so for all essential purposes it banned abortion. And we had pressure from outside the state not to pass this, see we have two abortion clinics in South Dakota, one is Sioux Falls (where I live) and one in Rapid City, all the neighboring states only have one, Minnesota is in Minneapolis, Iowa's is in Des Moines, North Dakota's is in Fargo, Nebraska is in Lincoln, and I am not sure of Wyoming and Montana, many people come from neighboring states because those two cities are close to the state line, it makes it look like those states don't have a very high abortion rate while ours look like very, very high.

I supported this amendment to our state constitution, it started many arguments in my US Government class, the women always said "you are a man, you wouldn't understand", to which I said "you are a woman, your judgement is clouded." That didn't go over well, but it is true, they could convince themselves it wasn't murder, get the abortion, and regret it later.
IIRRAAQQII
06-06-2004, 08:15
I'd be considered pro-life where it counts. But i think there should be circumstances where pro-life should be optional.
Whittier
06-06-2004, 08:20
You have to be pragmatic on some issues.