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I hear all the commie-libs here trashing Reagan. Well lets here you back it up and try to explain how Carter (yes Jimmy Redneck) was better.

I hear all the commie-libs here trashing Reagan. Well lets here you back it up and try to explain how Carter (yes Jimmy Redneck) was better.

Carter was worse!

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carter is one of if not the worst president we've had. Reagan was much better and I think one of the best.

Jimmy Carter can't even be compared to a great man like Ronald Reagan. Carter was easily the worst president in American history he was ready to let America fall from status of superpower. But when Reagan took office he corrected all Carters failures and showed the world that America was the best superpower.

I know: Tell me how Carter is better than Reagan.

Cater got us into double digit inflation, and unemployment. and now those same democrat leaders (kennedy for one) are saying 5% is bad when they said 10% wasn't.

Carter and Iran hostages. He did nothing and that made the radical Muslims believe they could get away with anything.

Afghanistan: weak

Carter did nothing except the Camp David Accords (Israel go screwed out of 2/3 of their land just to have their right to live recognized)

Jimmy Carter can't even be compared to a great man like Ronald Reagan Carter was easily the worst president in American history he was ready to let America fall from status of superpower but when Reagan took office he corrected all Carters failures and showed the world that America was the best superpower

hat is why I made the thread, to counter the Reagan bashers and put them in a tough position where their cheap shots won't be easy to make

So you pick on Carter? Why not compare Reagan to the only other 2-term President in the last 50 years? That's a fairer testament in my eyes--put Reagan up against Clinton--bit more of a test there, I think.

I hear all the commie-libs here trashing Reagan. Well lets here you back it up and try to explain how Carter (yes Jimmy Redneck) was better.

From the keg party thread:
*posts sign: DON'T FEED THE TROLLS*

Any reason why such advice doesn't apply here?

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Mad because people hate your Democrats?

Carter was better, we didn't realize how much he did for us until he was out of office. Some poeple still don't see it.

I'm not trolling here, I'm challenging people here to a debate, challenging people to make a point and back it up. that is quite different than saying you are glad a man died

Carter was better, we didn't realize how much he did for us until he was out of office. Some poeple still don't see it.

What did he do for us, I'm not letting you off the hook, I want facts and examples. I want a real debate and we need facts from your side

tell me 1 good thing carter the moron did

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Mad because people hate your Democrats?Not at all--I'm mad at the morons on both sides here who are acting like Reagan was either God in human form or the devil incarnate. He was a man. He was a President who did some good and did some bad. And you idiots are out here calling people who dare to criticize commie/libs. Just leave it the hell alone for Christ's sake.

Carter was a spineless president. Clinton could have made a peace pact with Israel and Palenstine but really was only there for a photo opt and should have finished the job with Saddam.

Ronald Reagan was the best president of my lifetime for the following reasons:

1) He basically defeated communism. When he came into office he decided to up military spending to counter the Soviets. Since we were getting stronger the U.S.S.R. had to do the same and because there ecomomy sucked they fell.

2) Our economy was not very good at the time and when Reagan instituated his plan the economy went straight up.

Jimmy Carter is and will forever be the worst president ever because:

1) He did not do enough for the hostages in Iran. They were in there for over a year and he only tried to get them out once. Because he was a wuss he didn't do anything. And then just spite us the Iranians let them go on Reagan's inugralation day.

2) Carter was too busy dealing with his stupid brother to do anything really meanful.


Now I want some answers as to why Carter was better! And I do reconignize the Camp David Accords as the one and only good thing he did.

I'm not trolling here, I'm challenging people here to a debate, challenging people to make a point and back it up. that is quite different than saying you are glad a man died

Similarly, it is not trolling if said posters are actually glad that a man died, and are not just saying so to provoke responses.

I'm not trolling here, I'm challenging people here to a debate, challenging people to make a point and back it up. that is quite different than saying you are glad a man died

Similarly, it is not trolling if said posters are actually glad that a man died, and are not just saying so to provoke responses.

you were generating hate for the sake of fun, I'm generating a debate between 2 rivals and comparing and contrasting them. BIG differance

you were generating hate for the sake of fun, I'm generating a debate between 2 rivals and comparing and contrasting them. BIG differance

Care to point out a single post connected to the whole Reagan malarky where I said a single derogatory word about the man?

Helpful hint: click here for my recent postings (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/search.php?search_author=Bodies+Without+Organs)

this isn't about your posts, but others where people are celebrating his death and demeaning the great man

It's really a tough decision. I would have to say that the Iranian hostage ordeal was worse than the AIDS epidemic denial. It screwed us moreover in the long run.

this isn't about your posts, but others where people are celebrating his death and demeaning the great man

Then don't bracket me in with them by using the collective 'you' and addressing it to me.

Hmmm...that brings up a better question: Was there ever a good American President?

Carter is way too right-wing for my taste, thank you very much.

this isn't about your posts, but others where people are celebrating his death and demeaning the great man

Oh come on now, you have to be somewhat reasonable. The reason people keep relishing in his death is because people keep calling him "the greatest president ever."

Hmmm...that brings up a better question: Was there ever a good American President?

Carter is way too right-wing for my taste, thank you very much.

Abe Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson are honorable.

Hmmm...that brings up a better question: Was there ever a good American President?

Given that the prime mission of the US president is presumably not to destroy the US, and that none have destroyed it, then in that sense they were all igood' presidents.

I know: Tell me how Carter is better than Reagan.

Cater got us into double digit inflation, and unemployment. and now those same democrat leaders (kennedy for one) are saying 5% is bad when they said 10% wasn't.

Carter and Iran hostages. He did nothing and that made the radical Muslims believe they could get away with anything.

Afghanistan: weak

Carter did nothing except the Camp David Accords (Israel go screwed out of 2/3 of their land just to have their right to live recognized)
http://www.kent.gov.uk/sp/kentregserv/graphics/rupert.GIF

Carter made the brilliant move to rescue the hostages but his military failed him in a monumental cock-up in the desert. The negotiations to bring the hostages home were all Carters but the Iranians wanted to punish him for the botched rescue plan, so they waited until Reagan got in and then released them. Fact, look it up.
Not Afghanistan weak. He, unlike some presidents, put huge pressure on the Soviets. Reagan decide to supply the Mujahadin and eventually this led to the current Quaeda problem.
Carter brought peace in the Middle East nearer than any president before or since. It was the assasination of the Egyptian president that sabotaged that real peace process. As for the economy, I can't comment, being a Brit but it was a lot healthier than it is now.

there are a lot of people voting Carter, but tell me why he did nothing but set our nation back a decade

Hmmm...that brings up a better question: Was there ever a good American President?

Carter is way too right-wing for my taste, thank you very much.

Abe Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson are honorable.

Abraham Lincoln was a sham. Thomas Jefferson comprises everything I hate about America into one little man.

I know: Tell me how Carter is better than Reagan.

Cater got us into double digit inflation, and unemployment. and now those same democrat leaders (kennedy for one) are saying 5% is bad when they said 10% wasn't.

Carter and Iran hostages. He did nothing and that made the radical Muslims believe they could get away with anything.

Afghanistan: weak

Carter did nothing except the Camp David Accords (Israel go screwed out of 2/3 of their land just to have their right to live recognized)

What right would that be?

Carter was weak as hell in Iran. The Iranians didn't fear him. A good president would make them fear him. That is how you deal with our enemies. That is why radical islam flourished, they had nothing to fear. the US presidency was weak.

You never once mentioned the economy, neigther has anyone else. If this were a standard debate that would flow through as a victory.

Afghanistan, Carter did not lay down anything other than statements without fact.

Carter killed CIA putting restrictions in place that existed until the Patriot Act. Carter needs some blame for 9-11.

Carter did not make peace in the mid-east. Israel got screwed. I don't think Egypt would attack again. they knew they couldn't win.

Both Carter and Reagan did good things for America. They weren't the "greatest" Presidents, but I don't think any of our Presidents have truly been completely great.

Hmmm...that brings up a better question: Was there ever a good American President?

How badly did William Henry Harrison do in the six or so weeks that he held the position? Surely, he can't have caused much harm in that time...

Of course, as an enemy of America, I have to say that Carter was probably your best leader. He weakened you so greatly.

A weak America is a good thing.

Both Carter and Reagan did good things for America. They weren't the "greatest" Presidents, but I don't think any of our Presidents have truly been completely great.

THe only good President would be one that disbands the nation and hands control of the nation to competant leaders.

the poll on this is not even close to the public's views. Reagan is ranked #4 on most polls of all time presidents. Carter is down in 30s. I guess more libs use this board than conservatives

the poll on this is not even close to the public's views. Reagan is ranked #4 on most polls of all time presidents. Carter is down in 30s. I guess more libs use this board than conservatives


or i used all my puppets to stuff the ballot box(what do you expect i'm a revolutionary) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

or i used all my puppets to stuff the ballot box(what do you expect i'm a revolutionary) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Even 'mr tinfoil hat?'

or i used all my puppets to stuff the ballot box(what do you expect i'm a revolutionary) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Even 'mr tinfoil hat?'
that is cheating! :D Even I have to laugh at that. It was a margin of 4:1 before you crammed it

Carter was weak as hell in Iran. The Iranians didn't fear him. A good president would make them fear him. That is how you deal with our enemies. That is why radical islam flourished, they had nothing to fear. the US presidency was weak.

You never once mentioned the economy, neigther has anyone else. If this were a standard debate that would flow through as a victory.

Afghanistan, Carter did not lay down anything other than statements without fact.

Carter killed CIA putting restrictions in place that existed until the Patriot Act. Carter needs some blame for 9-11.

Carter did not make peace in the mid-east. Israel got screwed. I don't think Egypt would attack again. they knew they couldn't win.
http://www.kent.gov.uk/sp/kentregserv/graphics/rupert.GIF

Like many Americans you believe that you can rule through fear. A brief look at history (including current events) will show you just how wrong that is. Do the people of Iraq fear America? It doesn't seem so, counting the body bags hidden from American eyes.
I told you exactly why I couldn't comment on Carters economy, read it again.
Carter did not arm the enemies of the Soviets, Reagan did, including Bin Laden, who went on to terrorise America and the West. I would have thought the point was obvious.
President Ford put all the restrictions on the CIA and FBI if you care to look it up.
I never said Carter made peace in the Middle East, I said, quite clearly, he came closer to it than any other president.
Try reading a post you dissagree with a little more closely.

or i used all my puppets to stuff the ballot box(what do you expect i'm a revolutionary) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Even 'mr tinfoil hat?'

yeah, a few of them were way out of character. i actually felt guilty with a couple, but then i realized that way lies madness. when you have to assume a puppets character everytime you log in you are skating on real thin ice. :wink:

yeah, a few of them were way out of character.

You realise this could spoil mr-tin-foil-hat's reputation completely if it were revealed to the forum at large? Leave the hush money in the usual place and nobody need ever know...

yeah, a few of them were way out of character.

You realise this could spoil mr-tin-foil-hat's reputation completely if it were revealed to the forum at large? Leave the hush money in the usual place and nobody need ever know...

its a little late, this is idf's thread :wink:

Dude i am another one of us racist conservatives. Hey Rupert Superb why don't you learn how to spell "terrorize." Jesus-H-Christ. :twisted:

Dude i am another one of us racist conservatives. Hey Rupert Superb why don't you learn how to spell "terrorize." Jesus-H-Christ. :twisted:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3265843#3265843

Because I'm British and we spell correctly.

Carter pardoned the draft dodgers, thus ending the government's ownership of people.

Because of Reagan, Saddam Hussein can defend his human rights violations with those five simple words: "I was just following orders"

Iran Contra, deficit, Al Qaeda, Star Wars defense,... I'm gonna choose Carter on this one

Dude i am another one of us racist conservatives. Hey Rupert Superb why don't you learn how to spell "terrorize." Jesus-H-Christ. :twisted:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3265843#3265843

Because I'm British and we spell correctly.What now? You going to go mock the French because of their odd 'c'?

Carter's energy policy was not n00b. That's how he was better. Reagan undermined America's long-term security, Carter did his best. He was the only US President of recent times who has any claim to the title of 'visionary'.

Suprising how many people are willing to like Comrade Carter.

The economic situation under his administration, although it wasn't entirely his fault, he didn't exactly help it, either. As long as people believe things (lies) like Reagan was ordering Saddam to commit henious crimes or making sure OBL got armed, its not a suprise that they like Carter better, though.

Carter's energy policy was not n00b. That's how he was better. Reagan undermined America's long-term security, Carter did his best. He was the only US President of recent times who has any claim to the title of 'visionary'.

And a decent person.

Carter wasted Time, Reagan Wasted money, thats really what it boils down to. You can pick which is worse

I don't see why people like to lay the blame for the deficit on Reagan so much. He was in favor of a balanced budget amendment and wanted to cut things to make the budget balanced, but had to compromise with Tip O'Neill and the Democrats and ended up keeping social programs larger than he would have liked them. Blaming him for the deficit is as silly as giving Clinton credit for Welfare Reform or cutting the budget. He shouldn't be totally excused, but its not all or mostly his fault either.

Well...

It seems most of you are either too young, or simply too ignorant to properly judge Jimmy Carter, OR Ronald Reagan.
Obviously, Conservative Republicans are going to have a more negative outlook on Carter, and even call him "weak".....
But then....I havent heard any of you actually name any facts concerning his Presidency, either.

The Iran Hostage crisis, was a bad situation, if there were any better way to handle that mess, there were no Conservies around giving better ideas at the time, and Carter handled it the best way he could.

As for the economy back then,
You had a recession at the time, and oil prices were comparitively higher than they are now.

Not exactly Carters fault.
His presidency wasnt the greatest....but it was in no way bad.
Maybe, it was an effort to keep a bad economy afloat, that should be looked upon these days with a bit more lieneincy (sp?)

Granted, it may be said that the greater good he has accomplished, came afterward his term in office.

How about winning a Nobel Peace Prize?

How about single-handedly keep wars from happening, due to excellent mediation?

How about ensuring other countries, who were struggling dor Democracy, could have a fair and balanced election?

Those of who who Bust on Carter.....shame on you.

Jimmy Carter may just be "The Last of the Truly Great Men."

Or at least, an honest one.

You compare him to Reagan?

Apples and Oranges, frankly.

Different times.....different situations.

Reagan may have been a far more effective President, but that doesnt mean that what he accomplished was a good thing.

"Trickle Down Economics"......not good.

:Iran/Contra.......not good.

Hussein.......ooops....that came back to bite us in the ass didnt it?


Removal of Berlin wall.....

Ooo! thats a good one.

So.....Both men had thier truimphs and failures in office...

Its what they do in a total lifespan that makes the man.

I think this question was answered in 1980 and 1984 by the American people. Carter could not win reelection, and Reagan was reelected in a 49 state landslide.

Jimmy Carter was the worst President ever to lead the USA. No character nor did he understand politics in any version of the subject, he was the US puppet of leaders. With Carter came Jessie Jackson, the second clown of American politics.

Jimmy Carter was the worst President ever to lead the USA. No character nor did he understand politics in any version of the subject, he was the US puppet of leaders. With Carter came Jessie Jackson, the second clown of American politics.

Your just not listening are you?

the only good leader of america was the king, or whoever he delgated power to :P back in the good old days :lol: ahhhh that takes me back

the only good leader of america was the king, or whoever he delgated power to :P back in the good old days :lol: ahhhh that takes me back

Your very old.

the only good leader of america was the king, or whoever he delgated power to :P back in the good old days :lol: ahhhh that takes me back
You mean the King that lost to General George Washington?

the only good leader of america was the king, or whoever he delgated power to :P back in the good old days :lol: ahhhh that takes me back
You mean the King that lost to General George Washington?

Unless he means Elvis......probably.

yeah yeah thats the one....what a leader he was......there u go again...the british trying to 'help' america....and they go straight to war....u cant help urselves can u

yeah yeah thats the one....what a leader he was......there u go again...the british trying to 'help' america....and they go straight to war....u cant help urselves can u
what are you ranting on about?

You better not be talking about the American Revolution or 1812....

the only good leader of america was the king, or whoever he delgated power to :P back in the good old days :lol: ahhhh that takes me back
You mean the King that lost to General George Washington?

Unless he means Elvis......probably.
that made more sense than what Paxman said

thats exactly wat im talkin bout...damn americans

thats exactly wat im talkin bout...damn americans
yes, damn the Americans. They should NEVER have rebelled against the opressive crown! :roll:

nope revolution

nope revolutionyeah, I'm wondering whether your making sense or not. It's 2:00 am. Quit acting like the typical wife and stop making subtle hints on what your trying to say. Out with it!

thats exactly wat im talkin bout...damn americans
yes, damn the Americans. They should NEVER have rebelled against the opressive crown! :roll:

damn straight they shouldnt have.......oppresive...or impressive?? :?:

thats exactly wat im talkin bout...damn americans
yes, damn the Americans. They should NEVER have rebelled against the opressive crown! :roll:

damn straight they shouldnt have.......oppresive...or impressive?? :?:
only impressive thing the Brits had were their uniforms.

But then again, uniformed men defeated by peasants and French? :lol:

nope revolutionyeah, I'm wondering whether your making sense or not. It's 2:00 am. Quit acting like the typical wife and stop making subtle hints on what your trying to say. Out with it!

no because i see ur message.....then i go to reply...but by the time my comp has done it all....uve already replied again

p.s its only 7pm over here

thats exactly wat im talkin bout...damn americans
yes, damn the Americans. They should NEVER have rebelled against the opressive crown! :roll:

damn straight they shouldnt have.......oppresive...or impressive?? :?:
only impressive thing the Brits had were their uniforms.

But then again, uniformed men defeated by peasants and French? :lol:

not that we can talk about great leaders...i mean...look at ours, his like george bush's little bitch....no1 here really believed un the war...just to afraid to disagree with the US

i dont kno how i worked the topic around to this, wat was the original topic....oh yes....Reagan, man he was an old president

not that we can talk about great leaders...i mean...look at ours, his like george bush's little bitch....no1 here really believed un the war...just to afraid to disagree with the US
which is really sad. A nation that cannot stand up for itself.

If you get beat down, at least the world would see you get beat up.

We'll see it, go "wtf? what happened to the partying and accented guys across the ocean????" and vote someone else in


w00t, go America. The only nation where you can screw up the world and not feel it

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If you get beat down, at least the world would see you get beat up.

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hahaha....wait i dont get it?????

I think the American poeple already determined this in 1980.

you were generating hate for the sake of fun

IDF is challenged to find a post by me in which I do this. I even provide a link listing all recent posts by my sole nation (I have no puppets). IDF tries to change the subject, but does not take back his claim...

this isn't about your posts, but others where people are celebrating his death and demeaning the great man

I suppose an apology for the claim that I was "generating hate for the sake of fun" would be out of the question, eh, IDF?

As people, I think they are equally very good men. Both Reagan and Carter did believe they were trying to help America. However, Carter did carry out that committment further, by becoming one of our great humanitarians.
However, Carter was a horrible president. His handling of the economy gave it a royal screwover. This was the first president where the Middle East spiraled out of control, too. If he was tougher on Iran, the energy crisis may have never happened, and the embassy seige may have never happened. He was also too soft on the Soviet Union, giving them lots of concessions. And I can never forgive him for giving up the Panama canal.

So you pick on Carter? Why not compare Reagan to the only other 2-term President in the last 50 years? That's a fairer testament in my eyes--put Reagan up against Clinton--bit more of a test there, I think.Yes, let's all give credit for the good economy to Clinton :roll:
Face it. Reagan turned things around, Clinton just rode the wave.

So you pick on Carter? Why not compare Reagan to the only other 2-term President in the last 50 years? That's a fairer testament in my eyes--put Reagan up against Clinton--bit more of a test there, I think.Yes, let's all give credit for the good economy to Clinton :roll:
Face it. Reagan turned things around, Clinton just rode the wave.So that's the excuse--by that logic, Reagan rode the Carter wave then. Give me the biggest break.

Let's look at Reagan's real economic legacy, shall we? Reagan did pass what was, at the time, the largest tax break in modern history. He immediately followed it up the next year with what still holds the record for the largest tax increase in history--that's where those increased revenues came from--not from trickle down economics.

The number of nondefense federal employees grew under Reagan, as they did under the first Bush. The number shrunk when Clinton was in office.

The economy under Reagan grew at an average rate of 3.5%, a healthy clip matched by the economy under Bill Clinton. The unemployment rate averaged 7.3%.

We all know what happened to deficits and the federal debt.

So while the economy improved from Carter levels, it's not quite the boom that today's conservatives would have you believe it was. I lived through Reagan. I came of age and entered the job market during Reagan. I tried to find my first job under Reagan and I watched my neighborhood crumble during the aftereffects of his economic revolution.

To make a long post shorter, I and the area in which I lived did significantly better during Clinton than I ever did under Reagan or his successor.

I think this question was answered in 1980 and 1984 by the American people. Carter could not win reelection, and Reagan was reelected in a 49 state landslide.

I think this question was answered in 1980 and 1984 by the American people. Carter could not win reelection, and Reagan was reelected in a 49 state landslide.

Nice logic there. So I suppose you're willing to concede that Clinton was a better president than George H. W. Bush.

I think this question was answered in 1980 and 1984 by the American people. Carter could not win reelection, and Reagan was reelected in a 49 state landslide.

Nice logic there. So I suppose you're willing to concede that Clinton was a better president than George H. W. Bush.
That wouldn't be much of a concession, as Clinton was better than either Bush.