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A Great Man...while perhaps never the best President was able to inspire others to make his Presidency great....under him the Soviet Union began it's fall. Under him it was common to say "I am an American and I don't have to be sorry for anything"...after Vietnam, those of us in the military were at an all time low, reenlistments were down, payscale woefully inadequate...first year in my pay raise went form 1% to 5%, not including that pay for Basic Allowance for Quarters and Variable Housing Allowance.

After the dismal period under Carter, a strong presence was necessary in the White House...Reagan gave us that presence.

Jadaxsastesti Sir..I give you one last salute Sir.

Yep, it's official. Most of the networks are now running it. I didn't agree with his policies or stances most of the time, but I do mourn the passing of a leader who had conviction.

It also puts to bed the nasty speculation that his death would be used as a political manouver right before the election.

Goodbye, Gipper, and Godspeed on your journey.

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............................................................Ronald Wilson Reagan
.............................................................February 6, 1911 - June 5, 2004

At the end of his two terms in office, Ronald Reagan viewed with
satisfaction the achievements of his innovative program known as
the Reagan Revolution, which aimed to reinvigorate the American
people and reduce their reliance upon Government. He felt he had
fulfilled his campaign pledge of 1980 to restore "the great, confident
roar of American progress and growth and optimism."

On February 6, 1911, Ronald Wilson Reagan was born to Nelle
and John Reagan in Tampico, Illinois. He attended high school in
nearby Dixon and then worked his way through Eureka College.
There, he studied economics and sociology, played on the football
team, and acted in school plays. Upon graduation, he became a radio
sports announcer. A screen test in 1937 won him a contract in
Hollywood. During the next two decades he appeared in 53 films.

From his first marriage to actress Jane Wyman, he had two children,
Maureen and Michael. Maureen passed away in 2001. In 1952 he married
Nancy Davis, who was also an actress, and they had two children, Patricia
Ann and Ronald Prescott.

As president of the Screen Actors Guild, Reagan became embroiled in
disputes over the issue of Communism in the film industry; his political
views shifted from liberal to conservative. He toured the country as a
television host, becoming a spokesman for conservatism. In 1966 he was
elected Governor of California by a margin of a million votes; he was re-
elected in 1970.

Ronald Reagan won the Republican Presidential nomination in 1980 and
chose as his running mate former Texas Congressman and United Nations
Ambassador George Bush. Voters troubled by inflation and by the year-
long confinement of Americans in Iran swept the Republican ticket into
office. Reagan won 489 electoral votes to 49 for President Jimmy Carter.

On January 20, 1981, Reagan took office. Only 69 days later he was shot
by a would-be assassin, but quickly recovered and returned to duty. His
grace and wit during the dangerous incident caused his popularity to soar.

Dealing skillfully with Congress, Reagan obtained legislation to stimulate
economic growth, curb inflation, increase employment, and strengthen
national defense. He embarked upon a course of cutting taxes and
Government expenditures, refusing to deviate from it when the
strengthening of defense forces led to a large deficit.

A renewal of national self-confidence by 1984 helped Reagan and Bush
win a second term with an unprecedented number of electoral votes.
Their victory turned away Democratic challengers Walter F. Mondale and
Geraldine Ferraro.

In 1986 Reagan obtained an overhaul of the income tax code, which
eliminated many deductions and exempted millions of people with low
incomes. At the end of his administration, the Nation was enjoying its
longest recorded period of peacetime prosperity without recession or
depression.

In foreign policy, Reagan sought to achieve "peace through strength."
During his two terms he increased defense spending 35 percent, but
sought to improve relations with the Soviet Union. In dramatic meetings
with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, he negotiated a treaty that would
eliminate intermediate-range nuclear missiles. Reagan declared war
against international terrorism, sending American bombers against Libya
after evidence came out that Libya was involved in an attack on American
soldiers in a West Berlin nightclub.

By ordering naval escorts in the Persian Gulf, he maintained the free flow
of oil during the Iran-Iraq war. In keeping with the Reagan Doctrine, he
gave support to anti-Communist insurgencies in Central America, Asia,
and Africa.

Overall, the Reagan years saw a restoration of prosperity, and the goal of
peace through strength seemed to be within grasp.

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A great man of great accomplishment has passed.
I wish his family peace.

SHL

Since the other thread was locked I'll post a responce here:

Now, as for my opinion..I don't wish any one dead.. But, I also think he got too much credit for the fall of the USSR.. They imploded from within, not from any thing to do with the US.. They bluffed for years and almost tricked Reagan into bankrupting the US on B.S. That's not a ringing endorsement.. but the man meant well.. I disagreed with his policy.. but seemed like nice enough people. 93 is not a bad life though, I bet we all wish we live as long..


I was waiting for this. What a load of crap. Prior to Reagan coming into office The Soviet Union was deemed to be incredibly strong. Liberals told us that “We must learn to live with parity.”

A study done in 1983 by 35 Soviet experts from Harvard, Yale Columbia, Cornell and others predicted the “Soveit Union is going to remain a stable state… We don’t see any collapse or weakening of the Soviet system.”

Walter Laquerur who was chairman of the International Research Council at the Center for Strategic and International Studies at Georgetown University stated in 1983: “ There is no real solution in sight for the dilemma facing East and West alike. The Soviet Union is stronger now that in the past.”

Prior to Reagan Democratic policy had gone from “rollback“ to “containment” to “détente” and was rapidly approaching acceptable defeat.

In 1980 the Soviet Union was rapidly expanding. It was Ronald Reagan’s policy of “arm’s race” bankrupted the Soviet Union as was his plan. Reagan fought the expansion of the Soviet Union on every front … and HE won.

Here’s proof. I defy you to find any … ANY respectable report that states the Soviet Union was declining, weak or economically poor prior to 1980.

Here's Reagan's speech to the US after he was diagnosed with Alzheimers in 1994. I know how much you guys hate copy and paste...but.

My Fellow Americans,

I have recently been told that I am one of the millions of Americans who will be afflicted with Alzheimer’s Disease.

Upon learning this news, Nancy and I had to decide whether as private citizens we would keep this a private matter or whether we would make this news known in a public way.

In the past Nancy suffered from breast cancer and I had my cancer surgeries. We found through our open disclosures we were able to raise public awareness. We were happy that as a result many more people underwent testing.

They were treated in early stages and able to return to normal, healthy lives.

So now, we feel it is important to share it with you. In opening our hearts, we hope this might promote greater awareness of this condition. Perhaps it will encourage a clearer understanding of the individuals and families who are affected by it.

At the moment I feel just fine. I intend to live the remainder of the years God gives me on this earth doing the things I have always done. I will continue to share life’s journey with my beloved Nancy and my family. I plan to enjoy the great outdoors and stay in touch with my friends and supporters.

Unfortunately, as Alzheimer’s Disease progresses, the family often bears a heavy burden. I only wish there was some way I could spare Nancy from this painful experience. When the time comes I am confident that with your help she will face it with faith and courage.

In closing let me thank you, the American people for giving me the great honor of allowing me to serve as your President. When the Lord calls me home, whenever that may be, I will leave with the greatest love for this country of ours and eternal optimism for its future.

I now begin the journey that will lead me into the sunset of my life. I know that for America there will always be a bright dawn ahead.

Thank you, my friends. May God always bless you.

Sincerely,

Ronald Reagan

Here’s proof. I defy you to find any … ANY respectable report that states the Soviet Union was declining, weak or economically poor prior to 1980.Okay, thats not proof. If I say "I have proof that Nessie doesn't exist" and you say "Where is it?" and I say "Show me proof that she does!", I haven't proven anything. One hypothetical situation would be if the Soviet Union succumbed to other forces that had nothing to do with Reagen (I'm not saying that thats the case, but for all the proof you've shown it could be). I could say that I was responsible for the fall of the USSR, cos just a few short years after I was born, the Berlin wall came down, and my logic would have as much validity as yours.

Lets try and keep this thread from degenerating into a partisan attack on the man and just celebrate the life of a great man and a great president.

Here’s proof. I defy you to find any … ANY respectable report that states the Soviet Union was declining, weak or economically poor prior to 1980.Okay, thats not proof. If I say "I have proof that Nessie doesn't exist" and you say "Where is it?" and I say "Show me proof that she does!", I haven't proven anything. One hypothetical situation would be if the Soviet Union succumbed to other forces that had nothing to do with Reagen (I'm not saying that thats the case, but for all the proof you've shown it could be). I could say that I was responsible for the fall of the USSR, cos just a few short years after I was born, the Berlin wall came down, and my logic would have as much validity as yours. Good job, Spoffin. I respect Pepsi, but seriously.

About 6 years ago when in 5th grade we did reports on famous people we admired. Mine was "Dutch" Rest in Peace sir.

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I disagree with his politics but may he rest in peace.

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I disagree with some of his politics but may he rest in peace.

We the people of the United States of America the American can hardly believe, after an increible 93 years of passionate life, Ronald Reagan, great anti-communist fighter, is no longer with us.

Nor can we believe how low leftists will stoop on these forums.

Myrth, Forum Moderator and Nation States Central Soviet member, had this to say about Reagan's death:

If only he went 30 years earlier...

And on another thread recently, Myrth mocked us for suggesting that NS is run by a liberal cabal...

Not too good at keeping your secrets. Or basic respect.

If a liberal icon like Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson, or even Karl Marx had died today, we would not be saying "if only they went 30 years earlier," even though they may have been opponents of our policies while they lived.

We can't even read any more of this forum to see what kind of disgraceful liberal political cannibalism will be offered. This reminds us of when Malcolm X said of the Kennedy assassination that it was "chickens coming home to roost."

All the flags in America the American are at half mast today, in honor of the memory of this great man. He did more than any other single person to combat communist tyranny worldwide, and helped to free millions from the terrible yoke of communist oppression. His legacy will live long in the memory of free people everywhere. Our nation's prayers are with his family. Our women everywhere weep and wail openly in the streets, while our men sit stricken, in introspective silence, forgetting their daily concerns.

In deep gratitude, profound humility and respectful memory,
Richard Held
Secretary of Homeland Counter-Insurgency
The United States of America the American
Mighty Capitalist Superpower™

Here’s proof. I defy you to find any … ANY respectable report that states the Soviet Union was declining, weak or economically poor prior to 1980.

Umm, I was alive.. I remember when it went down. They admitted they had been bluffing for years.. long before 1980. Sorry dude. It's true. Still doesn't negate the fact that Reagan didn't know that. I won't speak bad about the dead. He wasn't your worse president ever, but he certainly wasn't your best either. He seemed like a nice man as a person. Nancy is kewl.

Lets try and keep this thread from degenerating into a partisan attack on the man and just celebrate the life of a great man and a great president.And if we don't think that he was a great president?

Rest in Peace Ronald Reagan. You were a great president

Erm, the USSR had mounted collossal debt already by the 80s, thanks to Krushchev's overspending on the space race and arms race with the US.
The Soviet economy was doomed to fail from about the 60s onwards... it was just a matter of time, thanks to poor management deeply rooted in the system.
Amazing how all you anti-communists say 'Socialism is bad! It will do nothing but fail!' and yet you claim that the USSR was doing great until Reagan showed up.
Right. Get your facts straight. :roll:

Well I didn't find him to be that great of a president. But hey he's great compared to Bush.

Well I didn't find him to be that great of a president. But hey he's great compared to Bush.

Like that's difficult :roll:

Absolutely horrible president. I wonder...when he got Alzheimers....how could they tell?


Regardless, condolences to his family. May God have mercy on his soul.

Erm, the USSR had mounted collossal debt already by the 80s, thanks to Krushchev's overspending on the space race and arms race with the US.
The Soviet economy was doomed to fail from about the 60s onwards... it was just a matter of time, thanks to poor management deeply rooted in the system.
Amazing how all you anti-communists say 'Socialism is bad! It will do nothing but fail!' and yet you claim that the USSR was doing great until Reagan showed up.
Right. Get your facts straight. :roll:

Wow, some one who actually didn't get their history out of crackerjack box.. What Myrth is saying has been well known fact for years.. But Reagan did sound pretty kewl with is "Tear down this wall" speech.. He was an actor after all. ;)

Well I didn't find him to be that great of a president. But hey he's great compared to Bush.Yeah, I think that should be our yardstick. Slightly less mean than Bush. And slightly less crooked than Nixon.

Erm, the USSR had mounted collossal debt already by the 80s, thanks to Krushchev's overspending on the space race and arms race with the US.
The Soviet economy was doomed to fail from about the 60s onwards... it was just a matter of time, thanks to poor management deeply rooted in the system.
Amazing how all you anti-communists say 'Socialism is bad! It will do nothing but fail!' and yet you claim that the USSR was doing great until Reagan showed up.
Right. Get your facts straight. :roll:

Erm, first of all, socialism is doomed to fail both in real life and in theory because it is completely inefficient, government by nature is wasteful, it can't help it, so when you have an all consuming government, you have massive waste that leads to economic shut down. However, the societ economy was actually, at its core, still strong. It had some areas that were not in the best of shape, but otherwise, with good leadership, those areas could have been repaired and it would have been just as strong as before. However, they did not have good leadership. The thing, though, that makes Reagan great is the fact that he recognized that weakness and took advantage of it striking massive blows to the soviet economy that caused absolutely irreparable damage. Do not try to make Reagan seem like less than he is. There were very few presidents before him and only one after him that would have had the guts to stand up to the world's only other super-power...and win.

There were very few presidents before him and only one after him that would have had the guts to stand up to the world's only other super-power...and win.

Why are people having trouble with history? It would not of matter if Mickey Mouse had been in power.. The USSR would of fallen.. get it. Sheesh, hard heads.. :lol:

Here’s proof. I defy you to find any … ANY respectable report that states the Soviet Union was declining, weak or economically poor prior to 1980.

Umm, I was alive.. I remember when it went down. They admitted they had been bluffing for years.. long before 1980. Sorry dude. It's true. Still doesn't negate the fact that Reagan didn't know that. I won't speak bad about the dead. He wasn't your worse president ever, but he certainly wasn't your best either. He seemed like a nice man as a person. Nancy is kewl.

Yes bluffing for years. Since about 1984. As for proof: our country does statistical analysis on every other country in the world now and then. This is not done by obtaining copies of said target country's reports.

Satellites can determine crop growth, how many cars, trucks, ships, trains produced …. and so on. Spoffin you are correct, I did not demonstrate proof. I only demonstrated my belief. Sorry. However, I am right. There is no research prior to 1980 that the Soviet Union was falling ( if I am wrong I will stand corrected). Sure they had economic depressions like we do. That does not mean they weren’t strong.

Anyway, He was a good man and a great American and my heart goes out to his family.

Lets try and keep this thread from degenerating into a partisan attack on the man and just celebrate the life of a great man and a great president.And if we don't think that he was a great president?

well, he was still a great man :D

There were very few presidents before him and only one after him that would have had the guts to stand up to the world's only other super-power...and win.

Why are people having trouble with history? It would not of matter if Mickey Mouse had been in power.. The USSR would of fallen.. get it. Sheesh, hard heads.. :lol:

You couldn't be more wrong. The USA beat the Soviet Union not because we were better but because we out spent them.

As for proof: our country does statistical analysis on every other country in the world now and then. This is not done by obtaining copies of said target country's reports.

Satellites can determine crop growth, how many cars, trucks, ships, trains produced …. and so on. Spoffin you are correct, I did not demonstrate proof. I only demonstrated my belief. Sorry. However, I am right. There is no research prior to 1980 that the Soviet Union was falling ( if I am wrong I will stand corrected). Sure they had economic depressions like we do. That does not mean they weren’t strong.

Yes, the whole world knows how reliable American intelligence is.. we have watched it go down on our TV's for the last 6 months.. :roll:

There were very few presidents before him and only one after him that would have had the guts to stand up to the world's only other super-power...and win.

Why are people having trouble with history? It would not of matter if Mickey Mouse had been in power.. The USSR would of fallen.. get it. Sheesh, hard heads.. :lol:

Its people like you who know nothing about history. If Reagan hadn't pushed the arms race so far that the Soviets could not keep up, the USSR would still be around today. People like Carter were content to claim 2nd place in the Cold War. If Carter was in power during the 1980's, the USSR would still be alive and well. Secondly, Reagan was a great man, so people should stop abusing his presidency. If you don't like the man, start another post so that people who truely respect Reagan can remember his legacy.

There were very few presidents before him and only one after him that would have had the guts to stand up to the world's only other super-power...and win.

Why are people having trouble with history? It would not of matter if Mickey Mouse had been in power.. The USSR would of fallen.. get it. Sheesh, hard heads.. :lol:

Ummm...lets think about this, who put the pressure on the USSR? We did. The USSR would not have fallen for quite some while if the USA and Ronald Reagan had not said "That's it, we're not taking this any more." You have to admit this when you consider the fact that socialism is meant to work best when a country remains isolated, and unfearing of an outside attack. If a president who did not involve themselves with the USSR had been elected, the USSR could have turned inward and fixed its problems. Reagan, with the use of massive military build up caused the USSR to destroy its last hopes for a strong economy by forcing them to spend huge sums of money on arms build up. In other words, he forced them not to be isolated, but to be threatened by the international arena.

I have no trouble with history, in fact, I had to take an "Economics of the USSR" for my degree in economics on which I'm currently working. In any case, lets examine Bill Clinton as a prime example of a president under whom the USSR woulc NOT have fallen. We know perfectly Clinton's system of appeasement. He would've sat there and said "now don't take over any more countries and we won't build up the military." Don't lie, you know it's true. The simple fact is that Reagan was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was thanks to him that the USSR fell when it did. None of us deny that the USSR would have fallen eventually, we are simply saying that Reagan made it fall much sooner, leaving America as the world's only super power. There are a grand total of about five leaders in all of human history that have acheived something like this; the fall of the second greatest nation on earth, the economic reinvigoration of their country, and the creation of their country as the world's uncontested greatest power.

My dad threw a party and had friends over to the house. It is such a glorious day that satan himself died.

It's ironic the diease's he refused to cure happened to him(he refused to fund stemcell research and contracted alzheimers) .

God acts in mysterious a humorous ways It's too bad his death was painless. Considering he started a resscion that put my dad and grandpa out of bussiness. And destroyed the automoibile industry in michigan. Consquently my three uncles and other grandfather lost their jobs.

I'm glad he's dead. Now he can rot in hell with all the other war mongering swine. :twisted:

My dad threw a party and had friends over to the house. It is such a glorious day that satan himself died.

It's ironic the diease's he refused to cure happened to him(he refused to fund stemcell research and contracted alzheimers) .

God acts in mysterious a humorous ways :lol: It's too bad his death was painless. Considering he started a resscion that put my dad and grandpa out of bussiness. And destroyed the automoibile industry in michigan. Consquently my three uncles and other grandfather lost their jobs.

I'm glad he's dead. Now he can rot in hell with all the other war mongering swine. :twisted:

You aren't bitter at all are you? I understand that you don't like his policies, but really, get over it. There's nothing you can do about it. Anyway, it's not like he targeted your father and grandfather specifically. He didn't just sit in the oval office and say "I don't like those two random people I don't know, I think I'll put them out of business."

My dad threw a party and had friends over to the house. It is such a glorious day that satan himself died.

It's ironic the diease's he refused to cure happened to him(he refused to fund stemcell research and contracted alzheimers) .

God acts in mysterious a humorous ways It's too bad his death was painless. Considering he started a resscion that put my dad and grandpa out of bussiness. And destroyed the automoibile industry in michigan. Consquently my three uncles and other grandfather lost their jobs.

I'm glad he's dead. Now he can rot in hell with all the other war mongering swine. :twisted:



DEAT this person now!

My dad threw a party and had friends over to the house. It is such a glorious day that satan himself died.

It's ironic the diease's he refused to cure happened to him(he refused to fund stemcell research and contracted alzheimers) .

God acts in mysterious a humorous ways :lol: It's too bad his death was painless. Considering he started a resscion that put my dad and grandpa out of bussiness. And destroyed the automoibile industry in michigan. Consquently my three uncles and other grandfather lost their jobs.

I'm glad he's dead. Now he can rot in hell with all the other war mongering swine. :twisted:

Hey now, Alzheimer's is a hell of a disease, and you shouldn't mock him for having it. Nor should you spit on his grave.

If he had contracted AIDS, then that would have been poetic justice

The crisis in Iran gave Reagan the chance to place America onto the path of energy efficiency, a chance the US has not been granted since, but he went in the opposite direction. Perhaps more than anyone else, he should carry the blame for America's deplorable energy situation today, and its consequent vulnerability to external players.

And any credit for the downfall of the USSR should go not to him, but to the people of Poland and other nations of Eastern Europe who struggled for representation. The US never gave a damn about them, it got rich on the back of the Cold War, and was lost when it ended. Amazing to think that only the War on Terror has given it new-found clarity. Reagan's one solid contribution is taking the world closer to a nuclear holocaust than any man since Khruschev and Kennedy. So close to the natural end of the Soviet Union, his policy was dangerous and foolish. I doubt he sped up the Soviet Union's demise by so much as a decade.

Reagan undermined the long-term security of the US. He dies at best a mediocrity, at worst a spectacular failure.

My dad threw a party and had friends over to the house. It is such a glorious day that satan himself died.

It's ironic the diease's he refused to cure happened to him(he refused to fund stemcell research and contracted alzheimers) .

God acts in mysterious a humorous ways It's too bad his death was painless. Considering he started a resscion that put my dad and grandpa out of bussiness. And destroyed the automoibile industry in michigan. Consquently my three uncles and other grandfather lost their jobs.

I'm glad he's dead. Now he can rot in hell with all the other war mongering swine. :twisted:



DEAT this person now!

Why? Because you don't agree with them? We don't delete people for dissent.. You can post you love Reagan if you wish too.. or you hated him.. or you were indifferent.. there is nothing to "DEAT" here.

My dad threw a party and had friends over to the house. It is such a glorious day that satan himself died.

It's ironic the diease's he refused to cure happened to him(he refused to fund stemcell research and contracted alzheimers) .

God acts in mysterious a humorous ways It's too bad his death was painless. Considering he started a resscion that put my dad and grandpa out of bussiness. And destroyed the automoibile industry in michigan. Consquently my three uncles and other grandfather lost their jobs.

I'm glad he's dead. Now he can rot in hell with all the other war mongering swine. :twisted:



DEAT this person now!

Why? Because you don't agree with them? We don't delete people for dissent.. You can post you love Reagan if you wish too.. or you hated him.. or you were indifferent.. there is nothing to "DEAT" here.


That person is laughing about the death of a human, why is that ok?

BTW, I don't like Reagan.

I wish all Arab were dead.

I wish all Arab were dead.
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Well let's see what he did.

He cut social security by 25%

Increased the defense budget 75% more than it had been in world war 2.

He carelessly threatned other countries with nuclear action.

He made it so abortions and contraceptives were harder to obtain. But after the women had the kids he cut welfare to fuel his war machine.

He revived Cointelpro. Which is very similair to the blacklisting of the mcarthist era.

He removed the clean air act passed by president kennedy.

He merged church and state together.

And he caused the greatest ecnomic catastrophe sense the great deppresion leaving both sides of my family ravaged.

He spoke out against euthanasia

And to top it off he tried to repel the civil rights act which desergate our schools. Proving he was a racsit.

So he was a sick perverted war mongering neo nazi

But he was a great man.

When he contracted alzheimers it reaffirmed my faith in god. He had refused to fund stem cell research, which could have cured alzheimers and he got it. :lol: :lol: :lol: Hahahahahahaha.

My dad threw a party and had friends over to the house. It is such a glorious day that satan himself died.

It's ironic the diease's he refused to cure happened to him(he refused to fund stemcell research and contracted alzheimers) .

God acts in mysterious a humorous ways It's too bad his death was painless. Considering he started a resscion that put my dad and grandpa out of bussiness. And destroyed the automoibile industry in michigan. Consquently my three uncles and other grandfather lost their jobs.

I'm glad he's dead. Now he can rot in hell with all the other war mongering swine. :twisted:



DEAT this person now!

Why? Because you don't agree with them? We don't delete people for dissent.. You can post you love Reagan if you wish too.. or you hated him.. or you were indifferent.. there is nothing to "DEAT" here.

Nothing to deat?..Slander..libel...intentional flaming of a post..Good Gods..I may not recall all the TOS specifications..but if this had been my channel not any of the Channel Ops I know would have hesistated for a second in deating him./her

I wish all Arab were dead.
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Wait just a damn minute....One wishes Reagan dead...in a most hideous painful way...and nothing...he makes one statement....and you bust his chaps?...

I wish all Arab were dead.
You are warned for trolling.

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Making fun of someone for dying of a disease could be considered trolling too. My grandmother has it.

My dad threw a party and had friends over to the house. It is such a glorious day that satan himself died.

It's ironic the diease's he refused to cure happened to him(he refused to fund stemcell research and contracted alzheimers) .

God acts in mysterious a humorous ways It's too bad his death was painless. Considering he started a resscion that put my dad and grandpa out of bussiness. And destroyed the automoibile industry in michigan. Consquently my three uncles and other grandfather lost their jobs.

I'm glad he's dead. Now he can rot in hell with all the other war mongering swine. :twisted:



DEAT this person now!

Why? Because you don't agree with them? We don't delete people for dissent.. You can post you love Reagan if you wish too.. or you hated him.. or you were indifferent.. there is nothing to "DEAT" here.

Nothing to deat?..Slander..libel...intentional flaming of a post..Good Gods..I may not recall all the TOS specifications..but if this had been my channel not any of the Channel Ops I know would have hesistated for a second in deating him./her

I don't recall Ronald Reagan being a member of this site. He's fair game like any world leader. Or person in the public eye. I'm sure Reagan knew this.. too bad a lot of other people don't.

Stop acting like such crusaders. Just because somebody has a negative opinion of Reagan doesn't mean you have to get all willy-nilly.

Since the other thread was locked I'll post a responce here:

Now, as for my opinion..I don't wish any one dead.. But, I also think he got too much credit for the fall of the USSR.. They imploded from within, not from any thing to do with the US.. They bluffed for years and almost tricked Reagan into bankrupting the US on B.S. That's not a ringing endorsement.. but the man meant well.. I disagreed with his policy.. but seemed like nice enough people. 93 is not a bad life though, I bet we all wish we live as long..


I was waiting for this. What a load of crap. Prior to Reagan coming into office The Soviet Union was deemed to be incredibly strong. Liberals told us that “We must learn to live with parity.”

A study done in 1983 by 35 Soviet experts from Harvard, Yale Columbia, Cornell and others predicted the “Soveit Union is going to remain a stable state… We don’t see any collapse or weakening of the Soviet system.”

Walter Laquerur who was chairman of the International Research Council at the Center for Strategic and International Studies at Georgetown University stated in 1983: “ There is no real solution in sight for the dilemma facing East and West alike. The Soviet Union is stronger now that in the past.”

Prior to Reagan Democratic policy had gone from “rollback“ to “containment” to “détente” and was rapidly approaching acceptable defeat.

In 1980 the Soviet Union was rapidly expanding. It was Ronald Reagan’s policy of “arm’s race” bankrupted the Soviet Union as was his plan. Reagan fought the expansion of the Soviet Union on every front … and HE won.

Here’s proof. I defy you to find any … ANY respectable report that states the Soviet Union was declining, weak or economically poor prior to 1980.

You are exploiting this thread for politcal purposes both of you, now cut it out.

Yes.

You see, there is a difference between having a negative opinion of a historical figure, and race hate. I don't recall me censoring any anti-Saddam threads. But wishing death on an ethnic group, damn right that's not on.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Yes.

You see, there is a difference between having a negative opinion of a historical figure, and race hate. I don't recall me censoring any anti-Saddam threads. But wishing death on an ethnic group, damn right that's not on.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I call it hypocrisy

Compare: "I think we should have killed Hitler before he came to power."

With: "I think we should have killed every German man, woman, and child in 1933."

Do you see how one is more offensive than the other?

Compare: "I think we should have killed Hitler before he came to power."

With: "I think we should have killed every German man, woman, and child in 1933."

Do you see how one is more offensive than the other?

Oh I see... so there is a standard to offensiveness?...

Yes.

You see, there is a difference between having a negative opinion of a historical figure, and race hate. I don't recall me censoring any anti-Saddam threads. But wishing death on an ethnic group, damn right that's not on.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I call it hypocrisy

I'm sorry you can't make the distinction, perhaps that is why Tac & I are moderators and you are not.. Now please just drop all the fighting.. I'll have no problem locking this thread too. Stay on topic, which is suppose to be about Reagan.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Compare: "I think we should have killed Hitler before he came to power."

With: "I think we should have killed every German man, woman, and child in 1933."

Do you see how one is more offensive than the other?

Oh I see... so there is a standard to offensiveness?...

Yes.

Reagan was an ok guy.
He did not kill the USSR..... Stalin did. Some might say Reagan went after after them but in reality it was doomed to fail. It was just like the Ottoman Empire in the ending years of WWI, broke and corrupt. No one had faith in its hypocritical gov.(they created a military arstocracy in place of the landowning ones of the czar).
Reagan was a very opitimistic man. Like a half drunken silly old man that you'd find at a VFW meeting. Yet he had a darker side to him.... On the surface he was the bubbly libertarian but in reality he was the church loving captialist. He vowed to cut spending... but instead cut taxes and put the spending in the military instead of totaly dismantaling the Fed. Gov. He took the war on drugs to a new high. He got around to deregulating the banking industry with certain disasters. He ordered the Air Traffic controlers to go to work or be fired. It wasn't until Clinton that we had some of his problems fixed. Thanks to his foreign policies we have Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Thanks man.
He has become the icon for the New Republican, yes the inspiration for the white rich guys that hate welfare, abortion, and taxes on the objects of the rich.
So pour some of your 40oz. out for your dead homie. Without him we'd be in a alternative universe. Peace unto your memory, Mr. President. Without you, G.W. Bush would be an idle rich alcoholic son of a Senator.

Compare: "I think we should have killed Hitler before he came to power."

With: "I think we should have killed every German man, woman, and child in 1933."

Do you see how one is more offensive than the other?
Oh I see... so there is a standard to offensiveness?...
Of course. And the thankless job of a Forum Moderator is to enforce it.

Well let's see what he did.

He cut social security by 25%

Increased the defense budget 75% more than it had been in world war 2.

He carelessly threatned other countries with nuclear action.

He made it so abortions and contraceptives were harder to obtain. But after the women had the kids he cut welfare to fuel his war machine.

He revived Cointelpro. Which is very similair to the blacklisting of the mcarthist era.

He removed the clean air act passed by president kennedy.

He merged church and state together.

And he caused the greatest ecnomic catastrophe sense the great deppresion leaving both sides of my family ravaged.

He spoke out against euthanasia

And to top it off he tried to repel the civil rights act which desergate our schools. Proving he was a racsit.

So he was a sick perverted war mongering neo nazi

But he was a great man.

When he contracted alzheimers it reaffirmed my faith in god. He had refused to fund stem cell research, which could have cured alzheimers and he got it. Hahahahahahaha.

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Yes.

You see, there is a difference between having a negative opinion of a historical figure, and race hate. I don't recall me censoring any anti-Saddam threads. But wishing death on an ethnic group, damn right that's not on.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

And you're eager to delete me for very mild, polite criticism of your stance and that of another mod.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150759

It's called political censorship.

I have a negative opinion of you and another NS mod's recent actions, and tried to express them in the appropriate forums. How do your respond? Censorship, and threats.

It isn't "trolling" to lodge a complaint. It's dissent, what you've said you don't censor. But it is what you have already censored - people can see how, if they can still see the other ends of these links.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150709

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150744

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150755

Yes.

You see, there is a difference between having a negative opinion of a historical figure, and race hate. I don't recall me censoring any anti-Saddam threads. But wishing death on an ethnic group, damn right that's not on.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I call it hypocrisy

I'm sorry you can't make the distinction, perhaps that is why Tac & I are moderators and you are not.. Now please just drop all the fighting.. I'll have no problem locking this thread too. Stay on topic, which is suppose to be about Reagan.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Yes..I know it..I started it..to celebrate a great man and President of my country...my response to those who couldn't say anything nice would have been to keep the hell quiet...

"I'm sory you can't make the distinction, perhaps htis is why Tac & I are moderators and you are not"....such hubris...

Perhaps you've lost your perspective..and indulged your political philosophies when you should be moderating those who intentionally flamed my post.

edit: The straw that broke the camel's back I'm outta here.

---Post deleted by NationStates Moderators---

Of course. And the thankless job of a Forum Moderator is to enforce it.

Forum moderator, I salute you.

Compare: "I think we should have killed Hitler before he came to power."

With: "I think we should have killed every German man, woman, and child in 1933."

Do you see how one is more offensive than the other?

Oh I see... so there is a standard to offensiveness?...

I'm not quite sure what this question means. If you're asking whether one thing can be more offensive than another, then the answer is yes. If you're asking whether one thing can be offensive enough to be deletion-worthy, and another thing not quite that offensive, then the answer is also yes.

What a great man. Although I am too young to remember him, I have extensive knowledge of his times and I would like to salute the man who turned this nation aroung. God Bless America, and God Bless you, Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Establishing dictatorships in Latin America doesn't make him a great man.

I wish you babies would just shut the hell up!!!!!!
Who cares??? You are in the house of the MODS and you can just deal with it. They didnt ask for you to come here!!!!
Take your shit and shove it.
This is supposed to be about a man's death not about your anti-mod bullshit. :evil:

Now where was I? Oh yeh, I totaly agree with Alansyist Eurasia on that last post of his. :wink:

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/00/65/12m.jpg

Ronald Reagan


Sometimes Credited As:
Elvis Reagan
Governor Reagan
Lt. Ronald Reagan
Sgt. Ronald Reagan

Elvis?!!!

Erm, the USSR had mounted collossal debt already by the 80s, thanks to Krushchev's overspending on the space race and arms race with the US.
The Soviet economy was doomed to fail from about the 60s onwards... it was just a matter of time, thanks to poor management deeply rooted in the system.
Amazing how all you anti-communists say 'Socialism is bad! It will do nothing but fail!' and yet you claim that the USSR was doing great until Reagan showed up.
Right. Get your facts straight. :roll:

Wow, some one who actually didn't get their history out of crackerjack box.. What Myrth is saying has been well known fact for years.. But Reagan did sound pretty kewl with is "Tear down this wall" speech.. He was an actor after all. ;)
He wasn't exactly what made the Soviet Union fall. But he did show that we, as America, would do anything in our power to destroy the Soviet edifice. No president before him was man enough to say the truth, declaring them the "evil empire'.
I'm sad to see the passing of Reagan. Whether or not one agrees with his policies, he was a man of tremendous conviction, had a gift of public speaking, and had a real attitude. He's up there with FDR as one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century.
We will sincerely miss him, and may God rest his soul :cry: . But let's keep his ideals alive, that tomarrow will be a brighter day for America.

Well, I'm going to mourn that passing of a great man with great vision. He, not only managed to turn the military forces back into a professonal force, he managed to turn them into a highly trained, well equipped professional force. It is the opinion of many that those simple steps were all that kept us from a third World War. In 1983, many Soviet intelligence officers and military planers still belived Soviet Divisions would be able to sweep through Western Europe to the Bay of Biscany, by 1984, (after the new training and equipment Regan ordered were in plane) even the most optomistic of them no longer believed it could be done.

Regan also restablished the espirt de corps that had been missing from out military. "The difference between a republic and an empire is the loyalty of one's army" -Julius Caesar.

"The single greatest fear that America faces today is that its military forces no longer tolerate the continuing incompetence of its civilian leadership." - Mr. George K. Susking, DIA 22 July 1996.

I would like to ask that we all rember the good things a dead leader did, not dwell on the bad. Regan did do a lot to reinforce American democracy. I would say the same about Carter, who I strongly dislike. He did his best to make sure that democracy continued. I may not agree with how he did it, but he tried. Today, and tommorow, which is the 60th annversry of D-day, I would like everyone to remeber that we in the military always tend to be out of step with the rest of any democracy. But, please rember we voluntered to give up our lives if nessicary to protect you. Disagree with what we do yes, and or how we do it, but respect that we are out there doing our best to protect you in the manner we see as best. All we really ask for is something of the same level of loyalty, and respect that leads us to be willing to die for you. A great man once said that America is a group of shared ideals. When enough people stop beliving, then, and only then will America die. Lets all just stop and try to rember what those ideals are that make up America and believe in them.

You liberals just hate Reagan cause he destroyed the Soviet Union which was your favorite empire.
He destroyed the Soviets and for that you hate him to the point that you are dancing on his grave.
Just admit you hate Reagan cause you hate America and what it stands for (individual freedom that in nonalienable and nonrestrictable).

You liberals just hate Reagan cause he destroyed the Soviet Union which was your favorite empire.
He destroyed the Soviets and for that you hate him to the point that you are dancing on his grave.
Just admit you hate Reagan cause you hate America and what it stands for (individual freedom that in nonalienable and nonrestrictable).

:roll:

Didn't somebody spray the troll repellent?

I didn't care for the man.

However, I would take him over the shrub anytime.

Even in his current state, he is a far better President. :wink:

You liberals just hate Reagan cause he destroyed the Soviet Union which was your favorite empire.
He destroyed the Soviets and for that you hate him to the point that you are dancing on his grave.
Just admit you hate Reagan cause you hate America and what it stands for (individual freedom that in nonalienable and nonrestrictable).
You clearly hate individual freedom of expression and freedom to choose one's political beliefs. You are not only unAmerican, but undemocratic in general. Shameful. This sort of thing is why we must remain vigilant not only against terrorists, but threats to our democratic institutions from within.

You liberals just hate Reagan cause he destroyed the Soviet Union which was your favorite empire.
He destroyed the Soviets and for that you hate him to the point that you are dancing on his grave.
Just admit you hate Reagan cause you hate America and what it stands for (individual freedom that in nonalienable and nonrestrictable).

You know whats funny about that. Regan black listed more people than Joseph Mcarthy and got us into a debt that was unknown up until now.

Personally I'd have him and the millitant, homophobic, racsit repbulican party crucified then have their balls shocked until they scream their sins to mankind. What he did to this nation, both ecnomically and spirtually, can only be repaid by an eternity in hell. And that's exactly were that KKK basterd is. He deserved that disease so much.

And I'm not a liberial. I am a friendly fascist that hates repbulicans.

Hey Ronnie: "Hot enough for you?"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You liberals just hate Reagan cause he destroyed the Soviet Union which was your favorite empire.
He destroyed the Soviets and for that you hate him to the point that you are dancing on his grave.
Just admit you hate Reagan cause you hate America and what it stands for (individual freedom that in nonalienable and nonrestrictable).

You know whats funny about that. Regan black listed more people than Joseph Mcarthy and got us into a debt that was unknown up until now.

Personally I'd have him and the millitant, homophobic, racsit repbulican party crucified then have their balls shocked until they scream their sins to mankind. What he did to this nation, both ecnomically and spirtually, can only be repaid by an eternity in hell. And that's exactly were that KKK basterd is. He deserved that disease so much.

And I'm not a liberial. I am a friendly fascist that hates repbulicans.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Just stop...shame on you...shame on you


Shame on you...I've nothing more to say, grow up and learn respect for the opposing side or you will never be taken seriously...

shame on you...

I think he was a pretty good president...he did pretty good by Taiwan... :o Sad that he died...

My dad threw a party and had friends over to the house. It is such a glorious day that satan himself died.

It's ironic the diease's he refused to cure happened to him(he refused to fund stemcell research and contracted alzheimers) .

God acts in mysterious a humorous ways It's too bad his death was painless. Considering he started a resscion that put my dad and grandpa out of bussiness. And destroyed the automoibile industry in michigan. Consquently my three uncles and other grandfather lost their jobs.

I'm glad he's dead. Now he can rot in hell with all the other war mongering swine. :twisted:
I can't believe how much you liberals/socalists/facists/communists hate Ronald Reagan. He was the greatest President to live in our lifetime. He scared the pants off of the Soviet Union by showing he wasn't scared of them at all. He showed them that he wasn't scared to push that button like say Carter, who gave everything including the Panama canal away. Ronald Reagan wasn't a chicken like Carter, Bush sr., Clinton, or Bush jr. He had guts. He showed people like you that he wasn't a whimp. He showed that he was strong. He showed that he was going to do whatever it took for this country and he did just that.

Sadly, we don't have a Reagan to vote for. Now we have two choices - Either Bush or Kerry. Both stand for little; all they want is votes. They tip toe around the two greatest issues of the 21st century - Gay Marrage and Immigration, and nether want to do anything about them. They are both pansies, and there is no one to vote for.

Reagan did something different that these other people dont - He stood for something. That's why he was elected by the American people twice.

It's people like you, however, that ruin this country. If everyone was like you back in 1980, the Soviet Union would still exist and possibly would be taking us over. If everyone was like you in 1940, the Germans and Japanese would have won. If people were like you back in 1929, we would still be in the depression. If people were like you back in 1776, we would still be flying the British flag. Now if people are like you now in 2004, God help us all.

As I recall a repbulican got us into the deppresion (herbert hoover) and a democrat got us out (Rossovelt). And as I recall a two democrats led us in ww2. And a democrat led us in world war one, vietnam, and the civil war.

I also recall the repbulicans were against the civil rights movement. And are against gay marriage. Hey, what does that say how about KKK.

They are also against abortion, but after the child is brought into the world they refuse to spend a penny on welfare or social services.

Your idol's refuse to cure blindness, diabetes and alzheimers becuase they believe a cell in a petri dish is a "living creature"

All of you war-pigs go to hell. And as for our "soildiers" they should do the same. They're all future repbulicans so it's best they die too.

Erm, the USSR had mounted collossal debt already by the 80s, thanks to Krushchev's overspending on the space race and arms race with the US.
The Soviet economy was doomed to fail from about the 60s onwards... it was just a matter of time, thanks to poor management deeply rooted in the system.
Amazing how all you anti-communists say 'Socialism is bad! It will do nothing but fail!' and yet you claim that the USSR was doing great until Reagan showed up.
Right. Get your facts straight. :roll:

Wow, some one who actually didn't get their history out of crackerjack box.. What Myrth is saying has been well known fact for years.. But Reagan did sound pretty kewl with is "Tear down this wall" speech.. He was an actor after all. ;)
He wasn't exactly what made the Soviet Union fall. But he did show that we, as America, would do anything in our power to destroy the Soviet edifice. No president before him was man enough to say the truth, declaring them the "evil empire'.
I'm sad to see the passing of Reagan. Whether or not one agrees with his policies, he was a man of tremendous conviction, had a gift of public speaking, and had a real attitude. He's up there with FDR as one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century.
We will sincerely miss him, and may God rest his soul :cry: . But let's keep his ideals alive, that tomarrow will be a brighter day for America.

If the Soviet Union was sooo close to collapse, why were the democrats calling for coexistance and saying the USSR would be around forever and we would have to deal with it.

The USSR economy really collapsed when Reagan put them in an arms race they couldn't afford. Reagan won the Cold War, there is no denying it. When he took office, the Soviet Union was gaining strength and superior to us militarily and unfortunately also economically (we had something called stagflation going on).

Reagan turned the tables and won the war. He freed 350 million people from oppression. If you don't think Reagan had a role in it, talk to the Eastern European members here. I have, Reagan is a hero to them. They know the true story and were inspired by Reagan's words. It was that that allowed the revolts in Poland to occur. Reagan inspired them. This caused the Soviet Union to breakup.

Reagan was our best President in the 20th century. FDR's new deal gave hope, but DID NOT end the Depression. WWII did when people got jobs in defense industries.

Reagan saved us from 10% unemployment and stagflation. He won the Cold War.

Now, this comes from my heart.

Dutch,

you are gone from this Earth, but alive in our hearts. You will remain there so long as I live. Future generations will know of your greatness.

God put you on this Earth to liberate Eastern Europe. You did so and it has come time for God to take you back. You will now sit by his side for eternity. We know you deserved to be by God's side.

May God bless you Mr. President.

Your biggest fan,

Ben Tallman

As I recall a repbulican got us into the deppresion (herbert hoover) and a democrat got us out (Rossovelt). And as I recall a two democrats led us in ww2. And a democrat led us in world war one, vietnam, and the civil war.

I also recall the repbulicans were against the civil rights movement. And are against gay marriage. Hey, what does that say how about KKK.

They are also against abortion, but after the child is brought into the world they refuse to spend a penny on welfare or social services.

Your idol's refuse to cure blindness, diabetes and alzheimers becuase they believe a cell in a petri dish is a "living creature"

All of you war-pigs go to hell. And as for our "soildiers" they should do the same. They're all future repbulicans so it's best they die too.

Hey asshole look at the figures. http://pasdc.hbg.psu.edu/pasdc/Data_&_Information/Data/235a.html

So what are repbulicans? RACSIST, HOMOPHOBIC, WAR MONGERING, HYPOCRITIAL, BASTERDS. THAT WILL ROT IN HELL.

The crisis in Iran gave Reagan the chance to place America onto the path of energy efficiency, a chance the US has not been granted since, but he went in the opposite direction. Perhaps more than anyone else, he should carry the blame for America's deplorable energy situation today, and its consequent vulnerability to external players.

And any credit for the downfall of the USSR should go not to him, but to the people of Poland and other nations of Eastern Europe who struggled for representation. The US never gave a damn about them, it got rich on the back of the Cold War, and was lost when it ended. Amazing to think that only the War on Terror has given it new-found clarity. Reagan's one solid contribution is taking the world closer to a nuclear holocaust than any man since Khruschev and Kennedy. So close to the natural end of the Soviet Union, his policy was dangerous and foolish. I doubt he sped up the Soviet Union's demise by so much as a decade.

Reagan undermined the long-term security of the US. He dies at best a mediocrity, at worst a spectacular failure.

Do you people actually read history books? Maybe that's the problem...what the hell are they wrighting? I won't argue the point on energy. I have always thought we could/ should develope alternative fuels.

Are you trying to say we did not support Poland? That we did not back any effort to splinter the Soviet Union. Most of our black ops at that time were geared for nothing but the that goal.

I don't know where people get these idea's .... maybe your to young. I was in college during his terms in office. The only time people protested with vigor against Reagan was when he was trying to counter The Soviet Unions placement of medium range nuclear missles pointed at Europe by putting the Persian II in Nato country's.

BTW that was also scared the crap out of the Soviets.

Erm, the USSR had mounted collossal debt already by the 80s, thanks to Krushchev's overspending on the space race and arms race with the US.
The Soviet economy was doomed to fail from about the 60s onwards... it was just a matter of time, thanks to poor management deeply rooted in the system.
Amazing how all you anti-communists say 'Socialism is bad! It will do nothing but fail!' and yet you claim that the USSR was doing great until Reagan showed up.
Right. Get your facts straight. :roll:

Wow, some one who actually didn't get their history out of crackerjack box.. What Myrth is saying has been well known fact for years.. But Reagan did sound pretty kewl with is "Tear down this wall" speech.. He was an actor after all. ;)
He wasn't exactly what made the Soviet Union fall. But he did show that we, as America, would do anything in our power to destroy the Soviet edifice. No president before him was man enough to say the truth, declaring them the "evil empire'.
I'm sad to see the passing of Reagan. Whether or not one agrees with his policies, he was a man of tremendous conviction, had a gift of public speaking, and had a real attitude. He's up there with FDR as one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century.
We will sincerely miss him, and may God rest his soul :cry: . But let's keep his ideals alive, that tomarrow will be a brighter day for America.

If the Soviet Union was sooo close to collapse, why were the democrats calling for coexistance and saying the USSR would be around forever and we would have to deal with it.

The USSR economy really collapsed when Reagan put them in an arms race they couldn't afford. Reagan won the Cold War, there is no denying it. When he took office, the Soviet Union was gaining strength and superior to us militarily and unfortunately also economically (we had something called stagflation going on).

Reagan turned the tables and won the war. He freed 350 million people from oppression. If you don't think Reagan had a role in it, talk to the Eastern European members here. I have, Reagan is a hero to them. They know the true story and were inspired by Reagan's words. It was that that allowed the revolts in Poland to occur. Reagan inspired them. This caused the Soviet Union to breakup.

Go read up on some history...
That's all BS.
The USSR has long been overspending on the space and arms races... Reagan 'won the cold war' by just not changing anything.

Alansyist Eurasia, I saw that post before you edited it.
Any more like that, and I issue an official warning.


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Myrth
Ruler of the Cosmos
Forum Moderator

Erm, the USSR had mounted collossal debt already by the 80s, thanks to Krushchev's overspending on the space race and arms race with the US.
The Soviet economy was doomed to fail from about the 60s onwards... it was just a matter of time, thanks to poor management deeply rooted in the system.
Amazing how all you anti-communists say 'Socialism is bad! It will do nothing but fail!' and yet you claim that the USSR was doing great until Reagan showed up.
Right. Get your facts straight. :roll:

Wow, some one who actually didn't get their history out of crackerjack box.. What Myrth is saying has been well known fact for years.. But Reagan did sound pretty kewl with is "Tear down this wall" speech.. He was an actor after all. ;)
He wasn't exactly what made the Soviet Union fall. But he did show that we, as America, would do anything in our power to destroy the Soviet edifice. No president before him was man enough to say the truth, declaring them the "evil empire'.
I'm sad to see the passing of Reagan. Whether or not one agrees with his policies, he was a man of tremendous conviction, had a gift of public speaking, and had a real attitude. He's up there with FDR as one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century.
We will sincerely miss him, and may God rest his soul :cry: . But let's keep his ideals alive, that tomarrow will be a brighter day for America.

If the Soviet Union was sooo close to collapse, why were the democrats calling for coexistance and saying the USSR would be around forever and we would have to deal with it.

The USSR economy really collapsed when Reagan put them in an arms race they couldn't afford. Reagan won the Cold War, there is no denying it. When he took office, the Soviet Union was gaining strength and superior to us militarily and unfortunately also economically (we had something called stagflation going on).

Reagan turned the tables and won the war. He freed 350 million people from oppression. If you don't think Reagan had a role in it, talk to the Eastern European members here. I have, Reagan is a hero to them. They know the true story and were inspired by Reagan's words. It was that that allowed the revolts in Poland to occur. Reagan inspired them. This caused the Soviet Union to breakup.

Go read up on some history...
That's all BS.
The USSR has long been overspending on the space and arms races... Reagan 'won the cold war' by just not changing anything.

Yeah the Soviet Union was so poor it could hardly build all those nuclear tipped SS-20's in the early '80s.

Erm, the USSR had mounted collossal debt already by the 80s, thanks to Krushchev's overspending on the space race and arms race with the US.
The Soviet economy was doomed to fail from about the 60s onwards... it was just a matter of time, thanks to poor management deeply rooted in the system.
Amazing how all you anti-communists say 'Socialism is bad! It will do nothing but fail!' and yet you claim that the USSR was doing great until Reagan showed up.
Right. Get your facts straight. :roll:

Wow, some one who actually didn't get their history out of crackerjack box.. What Myrth is saying has been well known fact for years.. But Reagan did sound pretty kewl with is "Tear down this wall" speech.. He was an actor after all. ;)
He wasn't exactly what made the Soviet Union fall. But he did show that we, as America, would do anything in our power to destroy the Soviet edifice. No president before him was man enough to say the truth, declaring them the "evil empire'.
I'm sad to see the passing of Reagan. Whether or not one agrees with his policies, he was a man of tremendous conviction, had a gift of public speaking, and had a real attitude. He's up there with FDR as one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century.
We will sincerely miss him, and may God rest his soul :cry: . But let's keep his ideals alive, that tomarrow will be a brighter day for America.

If the Soviet Union was sooo close to collapse, why were the democrats calling for coexistance and saying the USSR would be around forever and we would have to deal with it.

The USSR economy really collapsed when Reagan put them in an arms race they couldn't afford. Reagan won the Cold War, there is no denying it. When he took office, the Soviet Union was gaining strength and superior to us militarily and unfortunately also economically (we had something called stagflation going on).

Reagan turned the tables and won the war. He freed 350 million people from oppression. If you don't think Reagan had a role in it, talk to the Eastern European members here. I have, Reagan is a hero to them. They know the true story and were inspired by Reagan's words. It was that that allowed the revolts in Poland to occur. Reagan inspired them. This caused the Soviet Union to breakup.

Go read up on some history...
That's all BS.
The USSR has long been overspending on the space and arms races... Reagan 'won the cold war' by just not changing anything.

How is it BS? I'm stating facts. The Democrats were saying we would never beat the Soviets and Reagan did. They cut back on spending until Reagan forced them to spend until they collapsed (Myrth actually backed up that contention of mine)

You liberals just hate Reagan cause he destroyed the Soviet Union which was your favorite empire.
He destroyed the Soviets and for that you hate him to the point that you are dancing on his grave.
Just admit you hate Reagan cause you hate America and what it stands for (individual freedom that in nonalienable and nonrestrictable).

You know whats funny about that. Regan black listed more people than Joseph Mcarthy and got us into a debt that was unknown up until now.

Personally I'd have him and the millitant, homophobic, racsit repbulican party crucified then have their balls shocked until they scream their sins to mankind. What he did to this nation, both ecnomically and spirtually, can only be repaid by an eternity in hell. And that's exactly were that KKK basterd is. He deserved that disease so much.

And I'm not a liberial. I am a friendly fascist that hates repbulicans.

Hey Ronnie: "Hot enough for you?"
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RIGHT ON!

"All of you war-pigs go to hell. And as for our "soildiers" they should do the same. They're all future repbulicans so it's best they die too."
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You should really be careful when you say something like that kid. People like you make me upset that I joined the Marines to protect someone like you that throws feces in my face and probobly one of your ancestors too. And by the way, I am an indepent. It is ok to flame a selective group or a person, however to generalize something like is very very stupid. You ever hear of the name John Kerry? He was a Navy man and is currently running under as a democrat. Go to school and read something, do not gather your data from one source (Your mom and dad I suppose in your case) because it becomes skewed and easily manipulated (IE WMD and Iraq).

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=5353840
The world's reaction to Reagan's death is in here, and some of the statements I find just as eloquent as those from the Gipper. Appearantly, the only guys greeting his death are the world leaders he was at odds with.

Quite simply, the 40th President is the one whose legacy is the greatest in my own lifetime. Ronald Reagan will be remembered for transforming the USA and its rightful place in the world and eradicating the cancer of communism. It is not just what Reagan accomplised personally but the things he inspired others to do and he personified one of the greatest decades of the 20th century. Whether we agree with his policies or not, we all owe him a great debt of gratitude for the freedom he has given the world and a new order which he is responsible for.

Quite simply, the 40th President is the one whose legacy is the greatest in my own lifetime. Ronald Reagan will be remembered for transforming the USA and its rightful place in the world and eradicating the cancer of communism. It is not just what Reagan accomplised personally but the things he inspired others to do and he personified one of the greatest decades of the 20th century. Whether we agree with his policies or not, we all owe him a great debt of gratitude for the freedom he has given the world and a new order which he is responsible for.I think ancient greek myths about Zeus are more believeable then the Reagan myths

I owe him nothing. And on the most important issue America faced during his Presidency, that of energy security, he is a failure.

I owe him nothing. And on the most important issue America faced during his Presidency, that of energy security, he is a failure.

You "owe" him the same respect you "owe" any other human being on the basis that they are simply human.

I agree with you on energy security, though.

I owe him nothing. And on the most important issue America faced during his Presidency, that of energy security, he is a failure.

You "owe" him the same respect you "owe" any other human being on the basis that they are simply human.

I agree with you on energy security, though.
He probably didn't feel the need to do much for energy security. Already, new fields were being developed on the North Slope of Alaska, at the North Sea, and in Mexico. By the end of his two terms, world oil prices collapsed.

He probably didn't feel the need to do much for energy security. Already, new fields were being developed on the North Slope of Alaska, at the North Sea, and in Mexico. By the end of his two terms, world oil prices collapsed.
He was complacent, he failed.

Had he continued in the spirit of Carter's ideas, he would have almost certainly lost his second term, but at least today we might remember him as someone who looked ahead and slowed the decline of America's energy security. Instead, he was just another n00b populist who won easy victories by saying "Go back to sleep, consume as normal". What a cop-out. People who take the easy path to popularity, screw up and create problems further down the line, do not have my respect.

My dad threw a party and had friends over to the house. It is such a glorious day that satan himself died.


I can't begin to imagine how strange your father must be....

[quote="Tactical Grace"]... take the easy path to popularity...quote]

How old are you? Do you remember the 80's? The economy was in the toilet. Some of Reagan's objectives were to kill the Soviet Union and bolster the economy. You are correct that he did not pursue "energy security" other than the fact that he increased of shore oil drilling and of course explored more and more of Alaska for oil. At that time that was "energy security".

At that time, we did not have the technology for realistic alternative energy.

At that time, forcing companies to be energy conservative would have hurt the economic gains he was seeking.

take the easy path to popularity?
He was protested for his lack of environment policy. He was protested for his stance against the Soviet Union and the arm's race. People laughed at his "Supply side economics. It was not the "easy path".

I'm all for alternative energy or energy security as you put it.

BTW what do you view as energy security?

For me, energy security is provided by a stable diverse energy system with medium-long-term sustainability and low vulnerability to external disruption.

The brief efficiency gains experienced during the 1980s, particularly transport sector fuel economy, were actively supported at an early stage by President Carter. Reagan failed to follow through. By the end of his presidency, the price of oil had gone down, and the attitude that we might as well burn it as fast as possible was back. Not his fault that the price of oil dropped, but his fault that the US squandered its one decent shot at reducing its energy supply vulnerability to the exterior. This opportunity was missed on his watch, and continues to have consequences today, thus my opinion of him is low.

For me, energy security is provided by a stable diverse energy system with medium-long-term sustainability and low vulnerability to external disruption.

The brief efficiency gains experienced during the 1980s, particularly transport sector fuel economy, were actively supported at an early stage by President Carter. Reagan failed to follow through. By the end of his presidency, the price of oil had gone down, and the attitude that we might as well burn it as fast as possible was back. Not his fault that the price of oil dropped, but his fault that the US squandered its one decent shot at reducing its energy supply vulnerability to the exterior. This opportunity was missed on his watch, and continues to have consequences today, thus my opinion of him is low.

President Carter allowed OPEC to piss on America and getaway with it. Carter had a million strategies for cutting down our oil consumption (such as driving slower!)yet he had no strategy for stabilising oil prices.

For me, energy security is provided by a stable diverse energy system with medium-long-term sustainability and low vulnerability to external disruption.

The brief efficiency gains experienced during the 1980s, particularly transport sector fuel economy, were actively supported at an early stage by President Carter. Reagan failed to follow through. By the end of his presidency, the price of oil had gone down, and the attitude that we might as well burn it as fast as possible was back. Not his fault that the price of oil dropped, but his fault that the US squandered its one decent shot at reducing its energy supply vulnerability to the exterior. This opportunity was missed on his watch, and continues to have consequences today, thus my opinion of him is low.

President Carter allowed OPEC to piss on America and getaway with it. Carter had a million strategies for cutting down our oil consumption (such as driving slower!)yet he had no strategy for stabilising oil prices.

You are both correct. TG I like your ideas but Carter lived and was Pres at the wrong time. He should of been Pres during the Clinton years. Carter was smart but very naive.