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ABC just broke the news; no links, yet.

Poor chap :( :cry: :cry:

It's possible, here's a link to a story on his declining health on CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/05/reagan.health/index.html

It's on the ABC news main page now, although there's no story as of yet.

It's no shock--as Berkylvania posted, Reagan was old and had been sick for a while now. Condolences to his family.

So, the Reaganomics guy is dead, huh? Finally. How did he live that long anyway? He did help me lose faith in democracy, though, so I thank him for that. We all made a big deal about Jesse Ventura being governor. We made a big deal out of Schwarzenegger. But we failed to realize that Reagan, one of the most famous if not exactly well liked presidents, was an actor too. Granted, he was never super famous, but he was definitely an actor. Any system that allows celebrities to become our leaders is wrong. That's why I'm a dictatorship.

So, the Reaganomics guy is dead, huh? Finally. How did he live that long anyway? He did help me lose faith in democracy, though, so I thank him for that. We all made a big deal about Jesse Ventura being governor. We made a big deal out of Schwarzenegger. But we failed to realize that Reagan, one of the most famous if not exactly well liked presidents, was an actor too. Granted, he was never super famous, but he was definitely an actor. Any system that allows celebrities to become our leaders is wrong. That's why I'm a dictatorship.only the good die young it seems at times

'Tear down this wall"

RIP

So, the Reaganomics guy is dead, huh? Finally. How did he live that long anyway? He did help me lose faith in democracy, though, so I thank him for that. We all made a big deal about Jesse Ventura being governor. We made a big deal out of Schwarzenegger. But we failed to realize that Reagan, one of the most famous if not exactly well liked presidents, was an actor too. Granted, he was never super famous, but he was definitely an actor. Any system that allows celebrities to become our leaders is wrong. That's why I'm a dictatorship.

finally dead?....Would you become 1/10th of the man he was and wielded the influence he had.

If only he went 30 years earlier...

The influence he had was because he was president. All presidents have it, they just don't all use it, and some of them use it the wrong way and make people mad.

If only he went 30 years earlier...

Amen.

only the good die young it seems at times

If that's true, I'll freakin live forever.

If only he went 30 years earlier...



You cold hearted monster! You will rot in the 7th circle of hell for your tacky comment! You remind me why I am a Conservative and hate Liberals, I have something called compassion!

If only he went 30 years earlier...

Amen.

only the good die young it seems at times

If that's true, I'll freakin live forever. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)

Just remember, if it wasn't for reagan we would still be in the cold war cause it was Reagan who destroyed the Soviet Economy.
Cause all the experts are in agreement that the Russian economy was destroyed by sabotage from the US. Which of course, was ordered directly by Reagan.
You should read those documents from his Presidency and the documents the Russians have.

If only he went 30 years earlier...
shut up. If he died 30 years ago you would still be dealing with a Soviet Union today. You better thank Reagan for his job of ending the Cold War. Reagan challenged the Soviets and freedom prevailed.

I'm glad Reagan was in office. He saved the world and gained the love of our hearts being one of the most popular presidents ever and most effective.

RIP Ronald Wilson Reagan.

"Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall."

*bites tongue*

say only good of the dead

*spits*

I didn't agree with him on many issues and philosophies, but no human, no person, should ever celebrate a man's death.

I can't believe anyone here could do that! NO matter what you think of someone, you do no ever celebrate their death.

My God, what has come of this world?

I really am crying now for the lack of respect people can afford another.

Myrth, you are a discrace to mods everywhere. I doubt even other liberal mods like Stephistan would sink as low as you did.

Shame on you, now please and go resign now!

If only he went 30 years earlier...



You cold hearted monster! You will rot in the 7th circle of hell for your tacky comment! You remind me why I am a Conservative and hate Liberals, I have something called compassion!a conservative with compassion? :lol: :lol: :lol: thats a good one :lol: :lol: :lol:

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

If only he went 30 years earlier...



You cold hearted monster! You will rot in the 7th circle of hell for your tacky comment! You remind me why I am a Conservative and hate Liberals, I have something called compassion!a conservative with compassion? :lol: :lol: :lol: thats a good one :lol: :lol: :lol:


:roll:


How old are you?

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.
same here, Myrth is no better.

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.and people who care about things have many more reasons to hate republicans

If only he went 30 years earlier...
shut up. If he died 30 years ago you would still be dealing with a Soviet Union today. You better thank Reagan for his job of ending the Cold War. Reagan challenged the Soviets and freedom prevailed.

I'm glad Reagan was in office. He saved the world and gained the love of our hearts being one of the most popular presidents ever and most effective.

RIP Ronald Wilson Reagan.

"Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall."Look--accuse Myrth of being heartless if you want, but don't try to rewrite history. The Soviet Union was on the verge of collapse regardless of what Reagan did--it was rotten through and through. Their economic system and military was a failure and its collapse was only a matter of time. Reagan had nothing to do with that.

If only he went 30 years earlier...
Are you insane?

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.and people who care about things have many more reasons to hate republicans


The more you talk the dumber you look. Just a fact.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3779583.stm

RIP

I wasn't alive when he was in charge, but he sounds like very charismatic president.

Interesting how the caption says "is"

If only he went 30 years earlier...
shut up. If he died 30 years ago you would still be dealing with a Soviet Union today. You better thank Reagan for his job of ending the Cold War. Reagan challenged the Soviets and freedom prevailed.

I'm glad Reagan was in office. He saved the world and gained the love of our hearts being one of the most popular presidents ever and most effective.

RIP Ronald Wilson Reagan.

"Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall."Look--accuse Myrth of being heartless if you want, but don't try to rewrite history. The Soviet Union was on the verge of collapse regardless of what Reagan did--it was rotten through and through. Their economic system and military was a failure and its collapse was only a matter of time. Reagan had nothing to do with that.

Ding ding, we have a winner. Reagan certainly helped things along, no question of that, but it would've happened fairly quickly anyway. As for "celebrating" his death, keep in mind that my heartless persona is an act I use only in this nation. I still don't agree with him, but he did do alot of good, and I would never be happy for the death of any person. Except maybe Hitler, but that was before my time, so oh well.

Reagan was, quite frankly, among the BEST presidents we've ever had. He strengthened the economy, made america safer to live in and was instrumental in the breakup of the Soviet Union. The only current world leader greater than him that I can think of is the Pope. And even then, they're running pretty close together.

I also add that just because someone is a celebrity doesn't mean that they can't do a good job at being president. I don't know about you, but most people aren't mono-talented.

Finally I just want to point out that it's horrible to celebrate ANYONE's death. I don't care if it's Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton, they are still human beings and deserve respect. Of course, most of you people writing these messages probably think that FDR did a good job...

If only he went 30 years earlier...
shut up. If he died 30 years ago you would still be dealing with a Soviet Union today. You better thank Reagan for his job of ending the Cold War. Reagan challenged the Soviets and freedom prevailed.

I'm glad Reagan was in office. He saved the world and gained the love of our hearts being one of the most popular presidents ever and most effective.

RIP Ronald Wilson Reagan.

"Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall."Look--accuse Myrth of being heartless if you want, but don't try to rewrite history. The Soviet Union was on the verge of collapse regardless of what Reagan did--it was rotten through and through. Their economic system and military was a failure and its collapse was only a matter of time. Reagan had nothing to do with that.
You have no idea what you are saying. Studies have shown that before the middle of Reagan's first term in office, the Soviets had the world's second strongest economy and it had the world's largest, strongest and most advanced military until Gorbachev resigned and allowed the USSR to break up.

Reagan... well. Hmm.

I'm a gigantic liberal (Kucinich for president!), but I won't celebrate for three reasons:

1. His stand against the USSR- While I don't view the USSR as an 'evil empire', only misguided, I believe that it should have been dismantled. However, Reagan did nothing practical towards this demise. Gorby was responsible for it.

2. Iran-Contra. I like dirty, underhanded Cold War diplomacy. I'm probaly the only liberal, and one of the few people, that saw nothing wrong with it.

3. The Ketchup/Vegetable thing. Why? Because I love ketchup.

But if he had gone thirty years ago, then I would not have any of those reasons. So...

Of course, most of you people writing these messages probably think that FDR did a good job...

He didn't? How?

Reagan ruined the Soviet economy? Sorry, Reagan nearly ruined our economy by jacking up military spending to high levels unneeded by this nation. The soviets ruined thier own economy by trying to keep up with him. So if you think it was brilliant of him to dig us in a hole we took over a decade to dig out of go right ahead. The soviet economy had been wobbly for a long time (still is by the way). the man was a puppet not a president.

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.
same here, Myrth is no better.I guess democrats here are showing Reagan and other rightwingers the same "compassion" that they showed to gays dying from Aids or the same compassion that Reagan and the Right gave to the peasants they buried in mass graves in latin america

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3779583.stm

RIP

I wasn't alive when he was in charge, but he sounds like very charismatic president.

Interesting how the caption says "is"
He was very popular when he was President. When Americans hated their own nation and hated each other, he made it possible for people to love their nation again. He supported countless charities and he never ever said anything personally negative about anyone in the world. Not once.
A far cry from the Democrats and their Bill Clinton. Who engage in personal attacks cause they cannot win arguments based on the facts.

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

Whoa, hey now, I am a Democrat, but I do not celebrate deaths.

For once, I agree with IDF. Somewhat. Please apologize.

You have no idea what you are saying. Studies have shown that before the middle of Reagan's first term in office, the Soviets had the world's second strongest economy and it had the world's largest, strongest and most advanced military until Gorbachev resigned and allowed the USSR to break up.Look you little twerp--I lived through the 8 years of Reagan. I came to maturity during his tenure as President, so don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. If Reagan did anything to help this situation along, it was recognizing that Gorbachev was a guy he could work with, but don't try to act like the USSR ws this model of economic and military strength. What's been proven since the breakup of the USSR is that our estimates of their strength were wildly incorrect. We were scared of a shell, of a shadow.

Reagan ruined the Soviet economy? Sorry, Reagan nearly ruined our economy by jacking up military spending to high levels unneeded by this nation. The soviets ruined thier own economy by trying to keep up with him. So if you think it was brilliant of him to dig us in a hole we took over a decade to dig out of go right ahead. The soviet economy had been wobbly for a long time (still is by the way). the man was a puppet not a president.

yeah, that's why the economy grew so much under REagan

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

I am Jewish, but you are not. NO Jew would ever celebrate the death of anyone, no matter how much you disagree with his or her policies. Except Hitler.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3779583.stm

RIP

I wasn't alive when he was in charge, but he sounds like very charismatic president.

Interesting how the caption says "is"clearly you dont know any history

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

Fascist? No, that can't be, when I'm not in character I'm a Democrat, and even I wouldn't say they were that bad.

So, the Reaganomics guy is dead, huh? Finally. How did he live that long anyway? He did help me lose faith in democracy, though, so I thank him for that. We all made a big deal about Jesse Ventura being governor. We made a big deal out of Schwarzenegger. But we failed to realize that Reagan, one of the most famous if not exactly well liked presidents, was an actor too. Granted, he was never super famous, but he was definitely an actor. Any system that allows celebrities to become our leaders is wrong. That's why I'm a dictatorship.

he was insanely popular

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Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.


Everytime Europeans open there big mouths I become more Conservative and closer to the Republicans, and DAMN proud of it!

Regan was the best president America has had in the past century

RIP Ronald Regan

Reagan ruined the Soviet economy? Sorry, Reagan nearly ruined our economy by jacking up military spending to high levels unneeded by this nation. The soviets ruined thier own economy by trying to keep up with him. So if you think it was brilliant of him to dig us in a hole we took over a decade to dig out of go right ahead. The soviet economy had been wobbly for a long time (still is by the way). the man was a puppet not a president.

yeah, that's why the economy grew so much under REagan

The economic plans of presidents usually take some time to take affect, at the very least, 2 years....

So, the Reaganomics guy is dead, huh? Finally. How did he live that long anyway? He did help me lose faith in democracy, though, so I thank him for that. We all made a big deal about Jesse Ventura being governor. We made a big deal out of Schwarzenegger. But we failed to realize that Reagan, one of the most famous if not exactly well liked presidents, was an actor too. Granted, he was never super famous, but he was definitely an actor. Any system that allows celebrities to become our leaders is wrong. That's why I'm a dictatorship.

he was insanely popular

I mean now. I know he was popular during the first...we'll go six years of his presidency, but after that his popularity waned considerably.

My prayers are with the family and friends he left behind. May he rest in peace.

I was never a big "fan" of Reagan's, but I show him nothing but respect. There are arguments that can be made for or against him, but now is neither the time nor place IMHO.

I will not apologise. I celebrate the deaths of many people, be they right-wing fringe politicians, American and Israeli soldiers, or any other enemies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3779583.stm

RIP

I wasn't alive when he was in charge, but he sounds like very charismatic president.

Interesting how the caption says "is"
He was very popular when he was President. When Americans hated their own nation and hated each other, he made it possible for people to love their nation again. He supported countless charities and he never ever said anything personally negative about anyone in the world. Not once.
A far cry from the Democrats and their Bill Clinton. Who engage in personal attacks cause they cannot win arguments based on the facts.ever think of having a profession writing rightwing fairy tales for foxnews?

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.


Everytime Europeans open there big mouths I become more Conservative and closer to the Republicans, and DAMN proud of it!

You IDIOT! You just assume I'm European! I've never even been to Europe!

I will not apologise. I celebrate the deaths of many people, be they right-wing fringe politicians, American and Israeli soldiers, or any other enemies.


You will have alot to answer for in the afterlife, and you WILL regret your comments!

Reagan ruined the Soviet economy? Sorry, Reagan nearly ruined our economy by jacking up military spending to high levels unneeded by this nation. The soviets ruined thier own economy by trying to keep up with him. So if you think it was brilliant of him to dig us in a hole we took over a decade to dig out of go right ahead. The soviet economy had been wobbly for a long time (still is by the way). the man was a puppet not a president.

yeah, that's why the economy grew so much under REagan

Well, the economy was "growing" before 1929 too, but look what happened there. We went into one of the biggest Depressions in world history. Reagan didn't make anything nearly that bad, but it was the same basic principle.

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.


Everytime Europeans open there big mouths I become more Conservative and closer to the Republicans, and DAMN proud of it!

You IDIOT! You just assume I'm European! I've never even been to Europe!


Thats nice, European.

Well 'tis a sad day. But he was 93, and he was suffering a disease.

Salute to Regan!

Reagan ruined the Soviet economy? Sorry, Reagan nearly ruined our economy by jacking up military spending to high levels unneeded by this nation. The soviets ruined thier own economy by trying to keep up with him. So if you think it was brilliant of him to dig us in a hole we took over a decade to dig out of go right ahead. The soviet economy had been wobbly for a long time (still is by the way). the man was a puppet not a president.
Reagan ordered CIA agents in the Soviet Union to blow up pipelines and factories which is what they did. Every document from the US and Russia that has recently been released proves this.
Soviet era documents from the time show that their infrastructure was destroyed by American spies.
But you libs hate America so much that you were willing to sell our national security to the Red Chinese during the Clinton Administration, you went so far as to join Al Qaeda right after 911, and you supported Saddam Hussein going so far as to call Saddam the greatest leader in recent history. You all need to have your asses kicked out of the US and forced to live in China since you love nation enough to betray your own.
You're not fit to be called Americans cause your statements are a disgrace to the American people.

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

I am Jewish, but you are not. NO Jew would ever celebrate the death of anyone, no matter how much you disagree with his or her policies. Except Hitler.to people in latin america, Reagan was a Hitler

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

I highly doubt that the Republicans are facist, as they seem to letting capitalism run just fine... I mean you know, they're only giving back hundreds of billions of dollars back to corporations...

I will not apologise. I celebrate the deaths of many people, be they right-wing fringe politicians, American and Israeli soldiers, or any other enemies.


You will have alot to answer for in the afterlife, and you WILL regret your comments!

I am also an atheist. I look forward to death, so I can prove myself right.

Good riddance.

Myrth is allowed his opinion like every one else around here, mod or not.

Now, as for my opinion..I don't wish any one dead.. But, I also think he got too much credit for the fall of the USSR.. They imploded from within, not from any thing to do with the US.. They bluffed for years and almost tricked Reagan into bankrupting the US on B.S. That's not a ringing endorsement.. but the man meant well.. I disagreed with his policy.. but seemed like nice enough people. 93 is not a bad life though, I bet we all wish we live as long..

Reagan ruined the Soviet economy? Sorry, Reagan nearly ruined our economy by jacking up military spending to high levels unneeded by this nation. The soviets ruined thier own economy by trying to keep up with him. So if you think it was brilliant of him to dig us in a hole we took over a decade to dig out of go right ahead. The soviet economy had been wobbly for a long time (still is by the way). the man was a puppet not a president.
Reagan ordered CIA agents in the Soviet Union to blow up pipelines and factories which is what they did. Every document from the US and Russia that has recently been released proves this.
Soviet era documents from the time show that their infrastructure was destroyed by American spies.
But you libs hate America so much that you were willing to sell our national security to the Red Chinese during the Clinton Administration, you went so far as to join Al Qaeda right after 911, and you supported Saddam Hussein going so far as to call Saddam the greatest leader in recent history. You all need to have your asses kicked out of the US and forced to live in China since you love nation enough to betray your own.
You're not fit to be called Americans cause your statements are a disgrace to the American people.

This thread continues to get stupider and stupider.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

Fascist? No, that can't be, when I'm not in character I'm a Democrat, and even I wouldn't say they were that bad.then your in denial

You have no idea what you are saying. Studies have shown that before the middle of Reagan's first term in office, the Soviets had the world's second strongest economy and it had the world's largest, strongest and most advanced military until Gorbachev resigned and allowed the USSR to break up.Look you little twerp--I lived through the 8 years of Reagan. I came to maturity during his tenure as President, so don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. If Reagan did anything to help this situation along, it was recognizing that Gorbachev was a guy he could work with, but don't try to act like the USSR ws this model of economic and military strength. What's been proven since the breakup of the USSR is that our estimates of their strength were wildly incorrect. We were scared of a shell, of a shadow.
I just happened to have grown up during his presidency. So you ought to show more respect you anti american sob.

Of course, most of you people writing these messages probably think that FDR did a good job...

He didn't? How?

Well I'll point out just a few things he did:

1) FDR took america off of the gold standard permanently destabilizing the dollar and damaging the gold market (the one economic stabilizer at the time) by releasing billions of dollars in gold onto the market.

2) He hiked up tarriffs that resulted in an increase of European tarriffs which paralyzed the global economy.

3) He established dozens of government agencies which spent money much less efficiently than the individual (as all government agencies do) thus slowing economic growth.

4) He raised taxes on the wealthy who bankrolled factories which in turn offered much needed jobs which would then stabilize the economy. In other words, he once again slowed economic growth.

5) Many of these agencies either handed out free food costing the government millions of dollars it didn't have or otherwise offered jobs that served no good to society ( for example digging a hole and filling it back in)

6) He established Social Security, something that sucks billions of dollars away from the government and ties up billions of dollars that could be going back into the consumer market.

7) He also established welfare which created a feeling of entitlement in this country which has decreased work ethic and thus the economic momentum of this nation.

I could say more, but I think that's quite enough to be going on...

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.


Everytime Europeans open there big mouths I become more Conservative and closer to the Republicans, and DAMN proud of it!

You IDIOT! You just assume I'm European! I've never even been to Europe!


Thats nice, European.

Dumbass! I'm a Vietnamese immigrant! Born in Japan, actually.

I didn't like Reagan, but I'm not going to dance on his grave. He was a man, a human being, and there where people that knew him that loved him and will miss him. (his fans-eh, he was 93-he had a full life. It's not like he was struck down in his prime)

I don't buy the 'still in the cold war' bit and am not going to wax nostalgic for the Reagan years. I will not suddenly be okay with him chasing the red boogey man both as President of the Screen Actors Guild or as President of the USA. They don't get better because he died and there is an urge for reverance. He was a human being. I will never celebrate the death of a human being.
I am a Conservative and hate Liberals, I have something called compassion!
try not to break your leg getting off that high horse of yours.....You don't really buy that 'compasionate conservative' bs, do you? Do you think 'conservative' would have needed the adjective if they really where compasionate? Please, some people are just dicks, it has nothing to do with their political affiliation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3779583.stm

RIP

I wasn't alive when he was in charge, but he sounds like very charismatic president.

Interesting how the caption says "is"
He was very popular when he was President. When Americans hated their own nation and hated each other, he made it possible for people to love their nation again. He supported countless charities and he never ever said anything personally negative about anyone in the world. Not once.
A far cry from the Democrats and their Bill Clinton. Who engage in personal attacks cause they cannot win arguments based on the facts.ever think of having a profession writing rightwing fairy tales for foxnews?


You would make a good bombthrower for CNN, you already got the lying down.

Oh, no, there's nothing wrong with celebrating people's deaths. Just because of the three reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread, I can't, much as I want to, bring myself to do it with Reagan.

Also, Clinton is far from an ideal president in my point of view- too moderate. So don't throw Clinton at me.

Also, liberals don't hate America, we hate what it has become.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

Fascist? No, that can't be, when I'm not in character I'm a Democrat, and even I wouldn't say they were that bad.then your in denial

Prove that they're fascist, and I'll hold that opinion from then on til I die.

So, the Reaganomics guy is dead, huh? Finally. How did he live that long anyway? He did help me lose faith in democracy, though, so I thank him for that. We all made a big deal about Jesse Ventura being governor. We made a big deal out of Schwarzenegger. But we failed to realize that Reagan, one of the most famous if not exactly well liked presidents, was an actor too. Granted, he was never super famous, but he was definitely an actor. Any system that allows celebrities to become our leaders is wrong. That's why I'm a dictatorship.

he was insanely popularamong the dumbed down for sure

I didn't like Reagan, but I'm not going to dance on his grave. He was a man, a human being, and there where people that knew him that loved him and will miss him. (his fans-eh, he was 93-he had a full life. It's not like he was struck down in his prime)

I don't buy the 'still in the cold war' bit and am not going to wax nostalgic for the Reagan years. I will not suddenly be okay with him chasing the red boogey man both as President of the Screen Actors Guild or as President of the USA. They don't get better because he died and there is an urge for reverance. He was a human being. I will never celebrate the death of a human being.
I am a Conservative and hate Liberals, I have something called compassion!
try not to break your leg getting off that high horse of yours.....You don't really buy that 'compasionate conservative' bs, do you? Do you think 'conservative' would have needed the adjective if they really where compasionate? Please, some people are just dicks, it has nothing to do with their political affiliation.


Wonderful, Another Liberal who says Conservatives are not compassionate, Can you see ok, after all your head is in the clouds!

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.


Everytime Europeans open there big mouths I become more Conservative and closer to the Republicans, and DAMN proud of it!

You IDIOT! You just assume I'm European! I've never even been to Europe!


Thats nice, European.

Dumbass! I'm a Vietnamese immigrant! Born in Japan, actually.

[sterotypical American]OMFG! LEIK! COMMIES!!! *sh00tz0rz*[/sterotypical American]

You people in South America don't like Regan because of his war on drugs :P

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.


Everytime Europeans open there big mouths I become more Conservative and closer to the Republicans, and DAMN proud of it!

You IDIOT! You just assume I'm European! I've never even been to Europe!


Thats nice, European.

Dumbass! I'm a Vietnamese immigrant! Born in Japan, actually.
You didn't catch that when he praised Adonai? Critical reading skills, man.

Oh, no, there's nothing wrong with celebrating people's deaths. Just because of the three reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread, I can't, much as I want to, bring myself to do it with Reagan.

Also, Clinton is far from an ideal president in my point of view- too moderate. So don't throw Clinton at me.

Also, liberals don't hate America, we hate what it has become.

Fact is, I've hated the very idea of America. Had I lived during their 'Revolution', I would have fought for Britain. And believe me, I'm NO fan of Europeans. Especially the French.

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

I am Jewish, but you are not. NO Jew would ever celebrate the death of anyone, no matter how much you disagree with his or her policies. Except Hitler.to people in latin america, Reagan was a Hitler
Reagan liberated latin america from soviet oppression.

Oh, no, there's nothing wrong with celebrating people's deaths. Just because of the three reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread, I can't, much as I want to, bring myself to do it with Reagan.

Also, Clinton is far from an ideal president in my point of view- too moderate. So don't throw Clinton at me.

Also, liberals don't hate America, we hate what it has become.


And Conservatives hate what Liberals have turned it into.


BTW, A moderate president is what America needs, not the fringe of either wing.

Regan was the best president America has had in the past century

RIP Ronald Reganwhats more tragic then death itself is that someone could actually think this...

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.


Everytime Europeans open there big mouths I become more Conservative and closer to the Republicans, and DAMN proud of it!

You IDIOT! You just assume I'm European! I've never even been to Europe!


Thats nice, European.

Dumbass! I'm a Vietnamese immigrant! Born in Japan, actually.
You didn't catch that when he praised Adonai? Critical reading skills, man.

Yeah, I mean every Veitnamese immigrant who was born in Japan praises Adonai! How could we not forget this universal and simple fact?

Ronald Reagan was, in my opinion, one of the best presidents in history, along with George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin Roosevelt. Along with British Prime Minister Margret Thacher, Reagan helped end communism and saved the world from a nuclear holocaust. He strengthened the American economy, and helped unify the nation after President Jimmy Carter's malaise and economic ineptitude. When he left office, Ronald Reagan had the highest approval rating of any president in the 227 year history of this nation. He was also a man of principle, always standing up for what he believed in. An example of this is that he proceeded to say "Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall," despite advice from his aides, who said that that statment may offend Mikhail Gorbachev. Ronald Reagan was a great president and a great man. He changed our great nation for the better, and if it were not for him, we may be gazing upon a red flag with a yellow hammer and sickle rather than the stars and stripes. I would also like to extend my deepest condolences to the family of Ronald Reagan, who perished today at the age of 93.

shame.... :twisted:

i'd feel exactly the same about the man who lives 5 doors away from me too, coz i dont know him either :!:

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.


Everytime Europeans open there big mouths I become more Conservative and closer to the Republicans, and DAMN proud of it!

You IDIOT! You just assume I'm European! I've never even been to Europe!


Thats nice, European.

Dumbass! I'm a Vietnamese immigrant! Born in Japan, actually.
You didn't catch that when he praised Adonai? Critical reading skills, man.

Who or What is Adonai?

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

I am Jewish, but you are not. NO Jew would ever celebrate the death of anyone, no matter how much you disagree with his or her policies. Except Hitler.to people in latin america, Reagan was a Hitler
Reagan liberated latin america from soviet oppression.

Yeah, just like Bush is 'liberating' Iraq. :roll:

didnt even know he'd snuffed it! :lol:

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

Fascist? No, that can't be, when I'm not in character I'm a Democrat, and even I wouldn't say they were that bad.then your in denial

Oh come off it. Fascist? How is the Republican party fascist? They don't dominate national economy, they let people do what they want with their money. They don't constantly keep watch over every one making them obey their will. They instead allow them to keep guns, allow free speech, and generally follow the constitution. The only way Republicans can seem fascist is if you either don't know what it means or otherwise are from one of the many socialist nations that make up Europe, an old, dead continent that is so weak that they have isolated economies focused soley on their little patch of land. They worry only about making sure they all survive, much less making the world a better place.

Oh, no, there's nothing wrong with celebrating people's deaths. Just because of the three reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread, I can't, much as I want to, bring myself to do it with Reagan.

Also, Clinton is far from an ideal president in my point of view- too moderate. So don't throw Clinton at me.

Also, liberals don't hate America, we hate what it has become.

Fact is, I've hated the very idea of America. Had I lived during their 'Revolution', I would have fought for Britain. And believe me, I'm NO fan of Europeans. Especially the French.

Since when have the Veitnamese EVER liked the French?

OK! Enough, both sides.. stop the flaming.. now!

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.


Everytime Europeans open there big mouths I become more Conservative and closer to the Republicans, and DAMN proud of it!

You IDIOT! You just assume I'm European! I've never even been to Europe!


Thats nice, European.

Dumbass! I'm a Vietnamese immigrant! Born in Japan, actually.
You didn't catch that when he praised Adonai? Critical reading skills, man.

Who or What is Adonai?

Yet again, I call thee 'Dumbass!'

I will not apologise. I celebrate the deaths of many people, be they right-wing fringe politicians, American and Israeli soldiers, or any other enemies.


You will have alot to answer for in the afterlife, and you WILL regret your comments!Reagans having alot to answer for in his afterlife right now Im sure...

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

I am Jewish, but you are not. NO Jew would ever celebrate the death of anyone, no matter how much you disagree with his or her policies. Except Hitler.to people in latin america, Reagan was a Hitler
Reagan liberated latin america from soviet oppression.

Yeah, just like Bush is 'liberating' Iraq. :roll:


Bush is liberating Iraq, just deal with the fact that they are free now, I know you hate the idea, but it is true.

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Republicans border on outright fascism.


Everytime Europeans open there big mouths I become more Conservative and closer to the Republicans, and DAMN proud of it!

No offense, but you are contridicting yourself. If you have a problems with Europeans, then why are using an Italian-sounding name?

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.


Everytime Europeans open there big mouths I become more Conservative and closer to the Republicans, and DAMN proud of it!

You IDIOT! You just assume I'm European! I've never even been to Europe!


Thats nice, European.

Dumbass! I'm a Vietnamese immigrant! Born in Japan, actually.
You didn't catch that when he praised Adonai? Critical reading skills, man.

Who or What is Adonai?

Yet again, I call thee 'Dumbass!'


:roll:

Grow up ok?

Ok, PAY ATTENTION.. every one stop with the quote pyramids.. and stop flaming each other. If it keeps up.. I will lock this thread faster then a New York minute.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

[quote:038655ffbb="Galdania"]Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.


Everytime Europeans open there big mouths I become more Conservative and closer to the Republicans, and DAMN proud of it!

You IDIOT! You just assume I'm European! I've never even been to Europe!


Thats nice, European.

Dumbass! I'm a Vietnamese immigrant! Born in Japan, actually.
You didn't catch that when he praised Adonai? Critical reading skills, man.

Who or What is Adonai?

Yet again, I call thee 'Dumbass!'


:roll:

Grow up ok?[/quote:038655ffbb]

I'm sorry. Typical American ignorance constantly annoys me, that's all.

You have no idea what you are saying. Studies have shown that before the middle of Reagan's first term in office, the Soviets had the world's second strongest economy and it had the world's largest, strongest and most advanced military until Gorbachev resigned and allowed the USSR to break up.Look you little twerp--I lived through the 8 years of Reagan. I came to maturity during his tenure as President, so don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. If Reagan did anything to help this situation along, it was recognizing that Gorbachev was a guy he could work with, but don't try to act like the USSR ws this model of economic and military strength. What's been proven since the breakup of the USSR is that our estimates of their strength were wildly incorrect. We were scared of a shell, of a shadow.
I just happened to have grown up during his presidency. So you ought to show more respect you anti american sob.

Amen. I'm 28 and am working on a degree in economics and one of the classes I had to take was "Economics of the USSR". Basically, the USSR had an economy that, if they had chosen to use it was actually nearly as powerful as ours. It was thoroughly united and able to cope with almost any blow to any one or two of about ten major areas. However, with diplomatic, military and economic pressure under "Reaganomics" the USSR backed off the further expansion of its economy and ultimately crumbled.

Well I'll point out just a few things he did:

1) FDR took america off of the gold standard permanently destabilizing the dollar and damaging the gold market (the one economic stabilizer at the time) by releasing billions of dollars in gold onto the market.

2) He hiked up tarriffs that resulted in an increase of European tarriffs which paralyzed the global economy.

3) He established dozens of government agencies which spent money much less efficiently than the individual (as all government agencies do) thus slowing economic growth.

4) He raised taxes on the wealthy who bankrolled factories which in turn offered much needed jobs which would then stabilize the economy. In other words, he once again slowed economic growth.

5) Many of these agencies either handed out free food costing the government millions of dollars it didn't have or otherwise offered jobs that served no good to society ( for example digging a hole and filling it back in)

6) He established Social Security, something that sucks billions of dollars away from the government and ties up billions of dollars that could be going back into the consumer market.

7) He also established welfare which created a feeling of entitlement in this country which has decreased work ethic and thus the economic momentum of this nation.

I could say more, but I think that's quite enough to be going on...

1) Not long after he took us off the gold standard, he established a limited one to use in international trade. Keep in mind, most other powerful countries also left the gold standard, so it doesn't matter much now.

2) Weren't there tariffs put up under Hoover's administration (not necessarily Hoover himself) that broke records and had the same effect on a larger scale?

3) They also brought greater control over the economy, allowing it to be regulated by the government.

4) Who else was he gonna tax, nobody had money!

5) The food is true, but you're overdramatizing the jobs. He created one specific works program that was charged with doing civic improvement projects (roads, tunnels, bridges, sewers, canals, etc.) and one designed to help artists and such use their talents (they'd be charged with painting buildings and be able to get creative).

6) Social Security also gives the millions of seniors in the country money to buy stuff with, which creates jobs and puts money back into the economy.

7) I agree with this point 100%

You're just trying to provoke people now; grow up please and show some respect...


Thanks Ronnie and God bless you...thats all I have to say

Ok, PAY ATTENTION.. every one stop with the quote pyramids.. and stop flaming each other. If it keeps up.. I will lock this thread faster then a New York minute.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

Fascist? No, that can't be, when I'm not in character I'm a Democrat, and even I wouldn't say they were that bad.then your in denial

Prove that they're fascist, and I'll hold that opinion from then on til I die.theyre corporate facism and laws like the Patriot Act etc etc etc etc

Little known fact:
During the SDI program, Reagan ordered the launch of several rockets into low earth orbit with special payloads.
In a meeting with the Soviets, he told them America had a working functioning SDI program and that it would be unfortunate if America had to use it.
The Soviets fretted cause they could not confirm whether this was true. They tried to counter with their own but were unable to develop to develop it cause US agents infiltrated their program and sabotaged forcing them to spend more on it.
Of course, we now know that Reagan was bluffing and that the payload on those rockets were nothing more than you common household bags of trash along with dummy sattelites.
But they literally scared the Soviet Union to death.

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

I am Jewish, but you are not. NO Jew would ever celebrate the death of anyone, no matter how much you disagree with his or her policies. Except Hitler.to people in latin america, Reagan was a Hitler
Reagan liberated latin america from soviet oppression.by genociding innocent peasants?

I am not trying to provoke anyone. I'm just pissed off that I've been called an American, and than a European.

You know, I have been away for a while on Army business, and I find it appalling how much more to the left this site has been driven by the moderators. It is ridicolous that you can't even post an announcement about the passing of a President without some moderator attacking the man, and some other (Canadian) moderator not acting until the leftist nazi bomb-throwers on here are being counter-attacked. Mods, take a deep breath, step back, and do your job without the politics. If that includes deleating me for calling you on the carpet, so be it.

Finally. I thought that bastard would never go down. He's had Alzheimers for a long time, though, and he had it bad. He probably didn't even know he was President. :)
Hence, the reason I hate Democrats.

Guess what? I'm not a Democrat, because I'm not American (praise to Adonai on that one). The 'Democratic' Party of the United States of America is a frighteningly right-wing group. THe Rebulicans border on outright fascism.

I am Jewish, but you are not. NO Jew would ever celebrate the death of anyone, no matter how much you disagree with his or her policies. Except Hitler.to people in latin america, Reagan was a Hitler
Reagan liberated latin america from soviet oppression.by genociding innocent peasants?

Bah, Panama's fine...

You know, I have been away for a while on Army business, and I find it appalling how much more to the left this site has been driven by the moderators. It is ridicolous that you can't even post an announcement about the passing of a President without some moderator attacking the man, and some other (Canadian) moderator not acting until the leftist nazi bomb-throwers on here are being counter-attacked. Mods, take a deep breath, step back, and do your job without the politics. If that includes deleating me for calling you on the carpet, so be it.

Nazi's are not left-wing du-, oh, can't say that.

BTW, what is wrong with having a Canadian moderator? It's discrimination to say that a Canadian can't be a good moiderator.

Well I'll point out just a few things he did:

1) FDR took america off of the gold standard permanently destabilizing the dollar and damaging the gold market (the one economic stabilizer at the time) by releasing billions of dollars in gold onto the market.

2) He hiked up tarriffs that resulted in an increase of European tarriffs which paralyzed the global economy.

3) He established dozens of government agencies which spent money much less efficiently than the individual (as all government agencies do) thus slowing economic growth.

4) He raised taxes on the wealthy who bankrolled factories which in turn offered much needed jobs which would then stabilize the economy. In other words, he once again slowed economic growth.

5) Many of these agencies either handed out free food costing the government millions of dollars it didn't have or otherwise offered jobs that served no good to society ( for example digging a hole and filling it back in)

6) He established Social Security, something that sucks billions of dollars away from the government and ties up billions of dollars that could be going back into the consumer market.

7) He also established welfare which created a feeling of entitlement in this country which has decreased work ethic and thus the economic momentum of this nation.

I could say more, but I think that's quite enough to be going on...

1) Not long after he took us off the gold standard, he established a limited one to use in international trade. Keep in mind, most other powerful countries also left the gold standard, so it doesn't matter much now.

2) Weren't there tariffs put up under Hoover's administration (not necessarily Hoover himself) that broke records and had the same effect on a larger scale?

3) They also brought greater control over the economy, allowing it to be regulated by the government.

4) Who else was he gonna tax, nobody had money!

5) The food is true, but you're overdramatizing the jobs. He created one specific works program that was charged with doing civic improvement projects (roads, tunnels, bridges, sewers, canals, etc.) and one designed to help artists and such use their talents (they'd be charged with painting buildings and be able to get creative).

6) Social Security also gives the millions of seniors in the country money to buy stuff with, which creates jobs and puts money back into the economy.

7) I agree with this point 100%

Well, I'm glad you agree with number 7 since it's the one I feel most strongly about.

I can see where you would defend going off the gold standard. However, it did release entirely to much gold into the market. The gold market was, and still is a major part of the world economy and FDR's actions in this area definitely didn't help matters.

FDR also raised tariffs instead of lowering them as would have been wisest.

The government simply cannot use funds as efficiently as individual people which mean millions of wasted dollars. Anyway, it's not the government's place to control the economy except on a very low level, hardly the level that these agencies offered. In any case, FDR came dangerously close to nationalizing industries, breaking the constitution, leading the U.S. into a downward economic spiral. The simple fact that he considered this makes him an atrocity to the title of president in my mind. As far as "who else was he going to tax.." well, the point of that was that, if he had refrained from these inefficient government programs, then he would not have had to raise taxes, thus increasing the amount of money in the pockets of the people who bankrolled factories which would in turn offer more jobs which would in turn mean more people making money efficiently which would mean an increase in consumerism which would in turn increase desire for certain goods which would in turn mean an increase in factories, etc. which would in turn mean more jobs and so on and so forth. FDR did in fact have people dig holes and fill them in, more than 3,000 of them actually. People could save, or invest their money for retirement instead of putting money into social security and the money would be used more efficiently. I really could write a WHOLE lot more about social security, (I wrote one of my term papers for U.S. economics about it) but I really don't feel like sitting here for that long.

Thanks for offering a great debate, though!!!

o god people cant be serious when they say its a good thing he died he was cool

This thread is VERY close to closure.. I don't care what your opinion was or was not of Reagan.. slow down.. now!

Stephanie
Game Moderator

You know, I have been away for a while on Army business, and I find it appalling how much more to the left this site has been driven by the moderators. It is ridicolous that you can't even post an announcement about the passing of a President without some moderator attacking the man, and some other (Canadian) moderator not acting until the leftist nazi bomb-throwers on here are being counter-attacked. Mods, take a deep breath, step back, and do your job without the politics. If that includes deleating me for calling you on the carpet, so be it.

Mods are entitled to their own political opinions, you know. This site has never had a rule that they must stay out of debates or refrain from expressing their opinions. Furthermore, while I agree that this thread has gone down the tubes, there's at least as much name-calling and "bomb-throwing" coming from the Right as from the Left here. I can almost guarantee that if the president in question were Bill Clinton instead of Ronald Reagan, the Right-wingers on the site would be doing exactly what the Lefties are doing on this thread, and probably worse.

You know, I'm getting very tired with every bloody right-winger cloaking themselves in a flag and retreating to narrow nationalism whenever anyone criticises the way that the US government do things. Oh, of course, I must be anti-American because I don't like Bush... of course I must hate every single American because I find the leader's actions reprehensible. :roll:

You keep harping on about how if it wasn't for "strong leaders" we wouldn't have the right of free speech - yet you attack us when we dare to use that right of free speech that you claim to admire so to criticise a right-winger. The right to criticise a leader or a government is one of the basic points of free speech; without a voice of dissent or opposition, you cannot have a healthy democracy. Yet whenever someone says something bad about Bush, or Reagan, you say go to Osama Bin Laden, or back in Reagan's day, to go back to Russia. What on earth are you praising free speech for when you obviously find it so terrible, that shock horror someone has an opposing viewpoint to your own?

Do not claim it is somehow anti-American to criticise a leader, or a government. Not if you believe America is a democracy. If you think that, then there is no way dissent can be anti-American.

Why would 'lefties' defend Clinton? He was on the far-right, in my opinion.

President Reagan had a vision for America and whether you agree with it or not, he was a proud American who tried to put the nation first in all his decisions.

In historical hindsight, we can say that his administrations actions in Central and South America caused numerous human rights disasters. The people of Nicaragua actually took Reagan to court over harbor mining and won.

The Guatemalan Mayan massacre, which elements of the American Intelligence community were involved in, was declared a genocide by the Inter-American Court of Human Rights and many of the last generation of military strongmen across the developing world had some official contact and even support from the Reagan administration.

All in all, he was a president and leader of the free world at the same time. He won the Cold War but was indecisive on numerous social and political issues.

He was a human being who tried tohelp his fellow man and family, I will honour his memory.

You know, I'm getting very tired with every bloody right-winger cloaking themselves in a flag and retreating to narrow nationalism whenever anyone criticises the way that the US government do things. Oh, of course, I must be anti-American because I don't like Bush... of course I must hate every single American because I find the leader's actions reprehensible. :roll:

You keep harping on about how if it wasn't for "strong leaders" we wouldn't have the right of free speech - yet you attack us when we dare to use that right of free speech that you claim to admire so to criticise a right-winger. The right to criticise a leader or a government is one of the basic points of free speech; without a voice of dissent or opposition, you cannot have a healthy democracy. Yet whenever someone says something bad about Bush, or Reagan, you say go to Osama Bin Laden, or back in Reagan's day, to go back to Russia. What on earth are you praising free speech for when you obviously find it so terrible, that shock horror someone has an opposing viewpoint to your own?

Do not claim it is somehow anti-American to criticise a leader, or a government. Not if you believe America is a democracy. If you think that, then there is no way dissent can be anti-American.

Now, don't think that I'm just defending my fellow republicans, I can't say that I support their comments about "going back to Russia" and so on and so forth, but isn't it possible that a lot of them, like I, after examining every possible angle can see absolutely NO way that another person's opinion could work and are therefore just defending their right to free speech. By saying that they are wrong in expressing how they feel, aren't you undermining the very free-speech which you defend?

all of you far lefties insluting Reagan are quite stupid, or ignorant

Before Reagan, under the democrat Carter, the USSR economy was about as strong as ours, and their military was just as strong if not stronger. After Reagan's term, the USSR was ruined, and many countries under the Soviet bloc were freed. the ussr crumbled completly a few years later. While he did expand on the deficiet, he raised the american economy enormously, and he relized that most people would rather be in debt that under Communist rule.

He restored faith in the USA and democracy, and any non-communist should owe him, as we could be under Communist control if Carter had won reelection.

His approval rating was one of the highest of any president-at the end of his term, and after the Iran Contra scandal(even though i dont understand what was so wrong with it), even the New York Times can tell you about his popularity.

A few hundred Latin Americans may incorrectly view him negativly, but many millions, including the Pope, view him as a hero.

Even Ted Kennedy respects him. It is scary how many people on this site are farther left than him.

I dont know why you Europeans are complaining, even you socalists should relize that Communism is worse than that. And as Poland as other neighboring countries fell to communism, if there was no Reagan, it is highly possible that you would have also.

While I give credit to Gorbechev for ending the Cold War peacefully, you can not honeslty say that he is solely responsible, as why would a life long communist seek its demise?

Ronald Reagan is the human resemblence of freedom and democracy, and while you may disagree with his policies, you have to admit they worked, and if you truly despise him, you despise freedom and democacry.

Reading this topic, i can say that i am honestly disgusted. The man has died, and all that some people can say is "finally." I can now see the true character of many who post here, and all i can do is shake my head in shame to be part of this community.

Like him or not, he was a man of conviction, and was re-elected by one of the largest margins in history. When he left office, he was stil at the height of his poularity. In the US, i have no doubt that a national day of mourning shall be declared, and that Republican and Democrat alike will pay their respects... and they shall all be well deserved. The man restored prestige to an office tarnished by scandal in the 1970s, and gave the nation hope. He helped lead the nation out of a depression, and kicked off nearly a decade of economic security in the US. His morning in America campaign ad rang true for many, so much so that the 1984 election gave birth to a group called the "Reagan Democrats." He proclaimed that government was not the solution, but that it was part of the problem... and in 1996, President Clinton agreed, when he proclaimed that, "We will meet these challenges, not through big government. The era of big government is over."

I now leave you to your bashing. If celebrating the death of a 93-year-old politician who suffered from alzheimers is what makes you feel better about yourself, then i will leave you to it. But that is a sad commentary on humanity.

“Whatever else history may say about me when I’m gone, I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence rather than your doubts. My dream is that you will travel the road ahead with liberty’s lamp guiding your steps and opportunity’s arm steadying your way.”
~Ronald Wilson Reagan, 40th President of the United States

Know that some of us do feel that way. This is a sad day for America, indeed.

If only he went 30 years earlier...



You cold hearted monster! You will rot in the 7th circle of hell for your tacky comment! You remind me why I am a Conservative and hate Liberals, I have something called compassion!Well I think that, for compassion's sake, he should have died earlier. He would have caused far less people to suffer if he had.

Why would 'lefties' defend Clinton? He was on the far-right, in my opinion.

I hate the American political system, and I'm an American.

all of you far lefties insluting Reagan are quite stupid, or ignorant

This is why this thread is being locked.. Enough from the left and the right. The thread has went terribly off topic. It was suppose to be about a dead president.

iLock..

Stephanie
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