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Okay, so what would happen if America tried it's absolute best to not participate in war and to not interfere with other nations?


(Oh, and I do not know ALL the wars we fought, so I apologize for leaving things like the Spanish War out :oops: )


Revolutionary War: Americans win, blah blah blah. You know the story.

War of 1812: British start the war by forcing American sailors to fight for the British. Neither side wins.

Mexican War: Texas wishes to join with America after leaving Mexico. Mexico sees this as "the Americans taking their land" and war is declared. Americans defeat the Mexicans, but decide not to take California and the other territories. However, Texas remains annexed.

Civil War: Same events occur

WW1: Americans sit this one out, despite Americans feeling anger for the 130+ Americans killed in the Atlantic (?)

WW2: Americans decide to minimally aide the Soviets to defeat Japan after a bloody hell. No nukes are used, except the death toll is the same.

Cold War: Europe is overrun by the Communists.

Korean War: America sits this one out. All of Korea falls under the Communists, despite South Korea's attempts to stop it.

Vietnam War: America sits this one out. All of Vietnam falls under the Communists.

Gulf War: America sits this one out despite UN pleas to fight. Kuwait falls under Saddam's power (Still figuring this one out)

Gulf War II: America sits this one out despite Bush's continued speeches to invade Iraq. About 800 American lives are saved, and over 5,000 Iraqis are saved. However, Saddam remains in power and continues to do whatever "evil" he does.

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Do you see a pattern here? Apparently, the same events would occur in the first couple wars. But as time progresses on, the world changes a great deal due to lack of American interverence.

Let's see the global changes here:
- Mexico still has California and Nex Mexico/Utah territories. America only has 45 states
-WW1, German power extends greatly beyond former borders. Britain, Russia, and other allies suffer many more casualties. (?)
- WW2, Germany sucessfully takes over France despite Britain's efforts. The Russians finally invade Berlin, but at high costs. VERY high costs. Same with Japan, Americans finally invade Tokyo, but with EXTREMELY high costs.
-Cold War, Europe is overrun by Communism. Although Britain and some other nations may resist it.
-Korean War, Korea is one nation, united by Communism
-Vietnam War, Vietnam is Communist, without the Americans (still!)
-Gulf War, UN is forced to make do without American aid OR Saddam takes over Kuwait.
-Gulf War 2: Never happens, and Saddam is still in power.



This is just for speculation and corrections.

The problem with speculation, is that it is just that...speculation. Let's assume that your scenario for WW1 is accurate, then there likely would not have been a WW2 or a Cold War. Perhaps none of the other conflicts would have taken place at all.

History is "cause and effect". You just can't speculate with any degree of accuracy.

The problem with speculation, is that it is just that...speculation. Let's assume that your scenario for WW1 is accurate, then there likely would not have been a WW2 or a Cold War. Perhaps none of the other conflicts would have taken place at all.

History is "cause and effect". You just can't speculate with any degree of accuracy.

WWII would have happened ofcourse, because of the treaty of versailles (spelling?).

If you went back in time and changed that treaty to a more fair and unbiased document, the Nazis would have never arisen.

Woodrow Wilson made some big decisions at the end of WW1, that he might not have been able to make if the US hadn't been involved.

The problem with speculation, is that it is just that...speculation. Let's assume that your scenario for WW1 is accurate, then there likely would not have been a WW2 or a Cold War. Perhaps none of the other conflicts would have taken place at all.

History is "cause and effect". You just can't speculate with any degree of accuracy.

WWII would have happened ofcourse, because of the treaty of versailles (spelling?).

If you went back in time and changed that treaty to a more fair and unbiased document, the Nazis would have never arisen.
Try re-reading the original parameters of this post. NO American forces involved in WW1, therefore everything changes?

so, what exactly is the point of this? are you trying to say that if america didnt participate in these wars, the world would be better?

btw, the Korean war and Vietnam were in accordance with the US' policies of containment towards the communist "threat". Had we not fought in Korea, its very plausable that communism, namely China, could have spread to Japan. And in the case of Vietnam, communist influence could have kept spreading through the south pacific and taken a stronger hold in indo-china. Those wars were fought mainly to show that the "free world" (America) wasnt going to let communism simply spread through the world with out any resistance.

The problem with speculation, is that it is just that...speculation. Let's assume that your scenario for WW1 is accurate, then there likely would not have been a WW2 or a Cold War. Perhaps none of the other conflicts would have taken place at all.

History is "cause and effect". You just can't speculate with any degree of accuracy.

WWII would have happened ofcourse, because of the treaty of versailles (spelling?).

If you went back in time and changed that treaty to a more fair and unbiased document, the Nazis would have never arisen.
Try re-reading the original parameters of this post. NO American forces involved in WW1, therefore everything changes?

not really. the holes where american forces were would be filled with extra french and british soldiers.

Playing with time and altering the favorable outcome would really twist everything into a worse knot than its in right now. If the US decided to stay out of WWI, the conflict would have probably lasted a good deal longer than desired by the Allies but the Allies probably would have still one that one with much more impact against them. Without the US's involvement Japan wouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor which brought us into the war, which would have left Germany and Japan open on multiple fronts. Britian would have been conquered shortly thereafter and then once every country in western Europe was controlledby the Nazis The Soviets would have been next. By the time they were to take on Soviets the Nazis would have had the bomb and they would have used it against the Soviets and forced their surrender. Once the Soviets Fell, the rest of the world would either turn to the US to step in or automatically surrender to the Germans. The US would have to fight in this matter and then the second world war could have actually turned into a fully fledged nuclear war. Washington, New York and all the US major Cities would probably have been destroyed along with the major german Cities. That would have been the war to end all wars, though not in the way desired.

Woodrow Wilson made some big decisions at the end of WW1, that he might not have been able to make if the US hadn't been involved.
IF the US had entered the War in 1914 instead of 1917, the results might have been drastically altered? That is the trouble with speculation.

Playing with time and altering the favorable outcome would really twist everything into a worse knot than its in right now. If the US decided to stay out of WWI, the conflict would have probably lasted a good deal longer than desired by the Allies but the Allies probably would have still one that one with much more impact against them. Without the US's involvement Japan wouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor which brought us into the war, which would have left Germany and Japan open on multiple fronts. Britian would have been conquered shortly thereafter and then once every country in western Europe was controlledby the Nazis The Soviets would have been next. By the time they were to take on Soviets the Nazis would have had the bomb and they would have used it against the Soviets and forced their surrender. Once the Soviets Fell, the rest of the world would either turn to the US to step in or automatically surrender to the Germans. The US would have to fight in this matter and then the second world war could have actually turned into a fully fledged nuclear war. Washington, New York and all the US major Cities would probably have been destroyed along with the major german Cities. That would have been the war to end all wars, though not in the way desired.

agreed.

huh...I wouldn't think of WWII as "interfering with other nations"
Naturally, it did involve participating in war...but we were attacked, and war was declared on us...at that point, it was about our defense.
Naturally, even before that when we were "neutral" we were supplying supplies (redundant much?) to the involved nations, but are you including that? If so I'd think you'd have to include us supplying weapons to Israel, Iraq, etc....and you'd have to think of all the battles in which those weapons were used.

the facts for why we got into WWI are wrong

the facts for why we got into WWI are wrong

The facts for most of this post are wrong. Poorly thought out would also be an accurate description. It would take days for me to go through, step by step, and correct all the flawed or just flat-out missing essential parts to the history this is attempting to create...and that's just what I'M aware of.