NationStates Jolt Archive

ROUND 1 BRACKET 3 (Modern Warfare)

Okay here's how the voting goes. Since the polls can easily be manipulated this is the voting system we will use:

If you post your vote with a nation of 75 posts or more, that vote counts as two. The poll votes count as 1. Technically your vote can be counted as three votes, if you vote both in the poll and post what you voted for.

However, even with this system in place this entire poll can be easily manipulated. So I ask you, please don't... Let's not cheat shall we?

Also, I'd like arguements from both sides on why that particular band (in this case, either White Stripes or Rage Against the Machine) should win. So please feel free to post long paragraphs regarding the merits of either White Stripes or Rage Against the Machine.

The poll will run for exactly 1 day.
After the poll closes. Posted votes will not count.

GET TO IT!!!

rage, no contest. a band fronted by an anarchist, with weird guitar squanks coming from some sort of whacked out maoist, getting drunken frat boys to sing along. besides, zack performed at a benefit show for a friend of a friend of mine (free sherman!).

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I've heard only one RATM song and it was decidedly anarchistic. I've never heard White Stripes, but based on their name, they sound very nationalistic, that automatically hurts them. RATM easily wins.

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white stripes name is ironic im guessing ("a seven nation army couldnt hold me back, theyre gonna rip it off, taking their time right behind my back")
ratm are probably better though, but their really quite naive. white stripes fresher. deffinate politcal leanings as well, but no quite so upfront.
and anyway, what your really wanting to say is that i, johnny, am ace. why thankyou.

I vote RATM...


rage, no contest. a band fronted by an anarchist, with weird guitar squanks coming from some sort of whacked out maoist, getting drunken frat boys to sing along. besides, zack performed at a benefit show for a friend of a friend of mine (free sherman!).

And don't call Rage Against the Machine just Rage... Why? Cause there is. a metal band called Rage... Frankly I'd take Rage over Rage Against the Machine anyday...

How can you even compare the white stripes to the awsome band Rage Against the Machine. The White Stripes have no talent and they just plain suck. Whoever votes for them has no musical taste whatsoever.

Are you kidding me? The White Stripes are the best thing to come down the pike in a long time. A breath of fresh air. Jack White is unbelievably talented, being a throw back to stripped down, raw, unproduced acts of yesteryear, but still fresh and new and exciting. Meg struggles some, but that's part of the charm. I love the White Stripes!

Are you kidding me? The White Stripes are the best thing to come down the pike in a long time. A breath of fresh air. Jack White is unbelievably talented, being a throw back to stripped down, raw, unproduced acts of yesteryear, but still fresh and new and exciting. Meg struggles some, but that's part of the charm. I love the White Stripes!

I can't believe i'm hearing this. The white stripes have no talent. So what if their music has political messages behind it? They just plain suck. While on the other hand, Rage against the Machine are Gods of modern rock.

If the White Stripes win this round, i'm going to have to kill something. :evil:

Saying Jack White has no talent really only shows your ignorance of music in general. RATM is a good band but, the White Stripes, meaning Jack White, have infinitely more raw talent.

And don't call Rage Against the Machine just Rage... Why? Cause there is. a metal band called Rage... Frankly I'd take Rage over Rage Against the Machine anyday...

heh, i remember this debate back on amr-m (alt.music.rage-machine) back in the day. i believe the general consensus was that 'rage' is acceptable as long as context makes it clear which is meant.

Rage Against the Machine is probably the most politically intelligent and outspoken band of all time. They top The White Stripes any day.

And don't call Rage Against the Machine just Rage... Why? Cause there is. a metal band called Rage... Frankly I'd take Rage over Rage Against the Machine anyday...

heh, i remember this debate back on amr-m (alt.music.rage-machine) back in the day. i believe the general consensus was that 'rage' is acceptable as long as context makes it clear which is meant.

Yeah I suppose... but RATM is just as long... and there will be no confusion....

well, RATM would probably eat the white stripes alive..... but i hate their politics so id have to go with the white stripes

Yeah I suppose... but RATM is just as long... and there will be no confusion....

but ratm is unpronouncable and so i read it as 'rage against the machine'. therefore it takes longer in my head.

How is this even a contest? :?

Yeah I suppose... but RATM is just as long... and there will be no confusion....

but ratm is unpronouncable and so i read it as 'rage against the machine'. therefore it takes longer in my head.
Sure its pronouncable... read it as [rat-em]...

Are you kidding me? The White Stripes are the best thing to come down the pike in a long time. A breath of fresh air. Jack White is unbelievably talented, being a throw back to stripped down, raw, unproduced acts of yesteryear, but still fresh and new and exciting. Meg struggles some, but that's part of the charm. I love the White Stripes!

I can't believe i'm hearing this. The white stripes have no talent. So what if their music has political messages behind it? They just plain suck. While on the other hand, Rage against the Machine are Gods of modern rock.

If the White Stripes win this round, i'm going to have to kill something. :evil:

The White Stripes do not suck. They are very talented and one of the few modern rock bands to deserve their fame. For starters, there are only 2 people in the group- all of their songs are without a bass guitar (not sure about early stuff but on their latest album they are), and they can still pack a punch in their music. Secondly, they bring the blues back into rock music. Rock needs the blues. If it doesn't have it, it becomes inane shite like Nickelback and Creed (Apologies to any fans of these bands) Thirdly, their lyrics are excellent and very poetic.

That said...RATM were the first band I ever got into, and remain one of my favorites, while I have only just started getting into the White Stripes.

I've had about four RATM albums, and while I think what they have to say is cool, all their songs sound the same. Musically, I'll pick the White Stripes.

Socially? I'm not sure I support anarchy. I'm more of a libertarian communist (traditional sense), but I support and agree with many of the ideals of RATM, I just don't have all that rage. I'll do my thing anyway, regardless of which political style is in power. Women and cats, people. Might as well get used to it.

The White Stripes are a good band, but they pale in comparision with Rage. Even though the Stripes were a breath of fresh air in alot of the crap that has come out recently, I hold Rage too dear for too long to say that I even see a contest.

woah, 50/50 straight

I've heard only one RATM song and it was decidedly anarchistic. I've never heard White Stripes, but based on their name, they sound very nationalistic, that automatically hurts them. RATM easily wins.




despite their disturbingly unamerican, anarchistic lyrics, ratm sure makes some good music. only two white stripes songs have entered my "don't dislike" category, and even they weren't that good.

ratm wins here

I beg to differ. Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground had an amazing bassline.


The White Stripes do not suck. They are very talented and one of the few modern rock bands to deserve their fame. For starters, there are only 2 people in the group- all of their songs are without a bass guitar (not sure about early stuff but on their latest album they are), and they can still pack a punch in their music. Secondly, they bring the blues back into rock music. Rock needs the blues. If it doesn't have it, it becomes inane shite like Nickelback and Creed (Apologies to any fans of these bands) Thirdly, their lyrics are excellent and very poetic.

That said...RATM were the first band I ever got into, and remain one of my favorites, while I have only just started getting into the White Stripes.

You know, it's polls like this that make me wish I have puppets.

Oh well.

Let's see, "The thirst of power dons that five-sided fistagon" or "I'm going to Wichita, far from this opera forevermore."

Well... Darn it.

The White Stripes are a refreshing change in the increasingly poor mainstream rock scene. That being said, few bands will ever beat RATM.

Especially not Audioslave...although Like a Stone was a nice song.

RATM forever. 8)

The White Stripes are a refreshing change in the increasingly poor mainstream rock scene. That being said, few bands will ever beat RATM.

Especially not Audioslave...although Like a Stone was a nice song.

RATM forever. 8)

Audioslave is such a letdown. They're all sad, wher did the rage go? Did Zack take it all with him? Why'd they have to break up? *cries*

The White Stripes are a refreshing change in the increasingly poor mainstream rock scene. That being said, few bands will ever beat RATM.

Especially not Audioslave...although Like a Stone was a nice song.

RATM forever. 8)

Audioslave is such a letdown. They're all sad, wher did the rage go? Did Zack take it all with him? Why'd they have to break up? *cries*

I beg to differ. Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground had an amazing bassline.


The White Stripes do not suck. They are very talented and one of the few modern rock bands to deserve their fame. For starters, there are only 2 people in the group- all of their songs are without a bass guitar (not sure about early stuff but on their latest album they are), and they can still pack a punch in their music. Secondly, they bring the blues back into rock music. Rock needs the blues. If it doesn't have it, it becomes inane shite like Nickelback and Creed (Apologies to any fans of these bands) Thirdly, their lyrics are excellent and very poetic.

That said...RATM were the first band I ever got into, and remain one of my favorites, while I have only just started getting into the White Stripes.

The closest the White Stripes get to bass lines is guitar through an octave pedal.

Especially not Audioslave...

I...don't...even...know what to say about Audioslave. I mean, I like Soundgarden and Rage...but not mixed together. :?

The White Stripes are a refreshing change in the increasingly poor mainstream rock scene. That being said, few bands will ever beat RATM.

Especially not Audioslave...although Like a Stone was a nice song.

RATM forever. 8)

Audioslave is such a letdown. They're all sad, wher did the rage go? Did Zack take it all with him? Why'd they have to break up? *cries*


All their songs sound the same, too. Luckily, I burnt their album instead of buying it, or that would have been a huge waste of money. Ah, Zack. WHY?! I was so sad when I heard they broke up.

Especially not Audioslave...

I...don't...even...know what to say about Audioslave. I mean, I like Soundgarden and Rage...but not mixed together. :?
Rage or Rage Against the Machine?

Come on... specify... Rage is a wholy different band... and it got started back in the 80s...

Rage or Rage Against the Machine?

Come on... specify... Rage is a wholy different band... and it got started back in the 80s...

Take a wild guess after reading the name of the topic. :?

I beg to differ. Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground had an amazing bassline.


The White Stripes do not suck. They are very talented and one of the few modern rock bands to deserve their fame. For starters, there are only 2 people in the group- all of their songs are without a bass guitar (not sure about early stuff but on their latest album they are), and they can still pack a punch in their music. Secondly, they bring the blues back into rock music. Rock needs the blues. If it doesn't have it, it becomes inane shite like Nickelback and Creed (Apologies to any fans of these bands) Thirdly, their lyrics are excellent and very poetic.

That said...RATM were the first band I ever got into, and remain one of my favorites, while I have only just started getting into the White Stripes.

The closest the White Stripes get to bass lines is guitar through an octave pedal.

Aye. And thats what makes their songs a lot of fun to play if its just you and a guitar. You can play the whole song, and it will sound perfect.

Heh, it's assumed that it's RATM when you're talking about Soundgarden...and Audioslave...and Zack...and when you read the title of the topic...

Personally I have never heard any of the songs by White so I will have to vote for Rage Against the Machine

The White Stripes are a refreshing change in the increasingly poor mainstream rock scene. That being said, few bands will ever beat RATM.

Especially not Audioslave...although Like a Stone was a nice song.

RATM forever. 8)

Audioslave is such a letdown. They're all sad, wher did the rage go? Did Zack take it all with him? Why'd they have to break up? *cries*


All their songs sound the same, too. Luckily, I burnt their album instead of buying it, or that would have been a huge waste of money. Ah, Zack. WHY?! I was so sad when I heard they broke up.

I bought it :oops:

I thought "wow, 2 of my favorite bands mixed together" but instead we got that crap. Its all Chris Cornells fault. Yeah, I'll blame it on him.

Rage or Rage Against the Machine?

Come on... specify... Rage is a wholy different band... and it got started back in the 80s...

Take a wild guess after reading the name of the topic. :?

Oh and maybe you should point out who made the topic... Or maybe you missed that?

RATM is just as short to write... and it avoids confusion... Come on... write RATM instead of Rage... Please?

Audioslave is such a letdown. They're all sad, wher did the rage go? Did Zack take it all with him? Why'd they have to break up? *cries*

they had to break up because tom morello's fashion sense was just getting worse and worse.

i'm still pissed at mike d from the beastie boys for making me not get to see them one last time. learn to ride a bike, asshole!

(for those that don't remember, there was supposed to be a tour with rage and the beasties back in summer/fall of 2000. mike d forgot how to ride his bike and got hurt. tour cancelled. a couple months later zack leaves the band 'to go finish his solo album'. speaking of which...)

Whatever happened to Zach? He needs to start a new band.

Oh and maybe you should point out who made the topic... Or maybe you missed that?

RATM is just as short to write... and it avoids confusion... Come on... write RATM instead of Rage... Please?

Even more odd that you asked me who I was speaking of.

As for the other band named Rage, I don't listen to them or have heard them. I have just always referred to RATM as Rage, but it's your thread so I won't go getting any panties into a twist.

i'm still pissed at mike d from the beastie boys for making me not get to see them one last time. learn to ride a bike, asshole!

(for those that don't remember, there was supposed to be a tour with rage and the beasties back in summer/fall of 2000. mike d forgot how to ride his bike and got hurt. tour cancelled. a couple months later zack leaves the band 'to go finish his solo album'. speaking of which...)

Same reason I missed them.

Oh and maybe you should point out who made the topic... Or maybe you missed that?

RATM is just as short to write... and it avoids confusion... Come on... write RATM instead of Rage... Please?

Even more odd that you asked me who I was speaking of.

As for the other band named Rage, I don't listen to them or have heard them. I have just always referred to RATM as Rage, but it's your thread so I won't go getting any panties into a twist.

Let me explain my reasoning... Because of Rage Against the Machine's popularity and Rage's obscurity in this millinium, it is kinda difficult to find anything by Rage... It makes things only worse if people refer to RATM as Rage... so I'm thinking I might as well do my part and discourage people from calling RATM Rage... in hopes that they will spread my message around...

On a sidenote: Rage is one thing but... Death... don't even trying looking for them...

Whatever happened to Zach? He needs to start a new band.

zack has been 'working' on his solo album since 1999. he released a song called "march of death" with dj shadow during the run up to the iraq war. and he appeared at a benefit/last-night-of-freedom party for sherman austin.

I heard Zack was working on an album with Kurt Cobain.

You may think the above "information" is highly unbelievable, or impossible even, but let's face it- that album has got a higher chance of being released then his solo album. *Le sigh*.

I heard Zack was working on an album with Kurt Cobain.

You may think the above "information" is highly unbelievable, or impossible even, but let's face it- that album has got a higher chance of being released then his solo album. *Le sigh*.

Okay, now if Audioslave was a combination of artists i liked and turned out shite...

What would my two favorite artists (if it were possible) in a collaboration be like? Ahh, I shudder to think.

On a sidenote: Rage is one thing but... Death... don't even trying looking for them...

I've actually heard of Death.

On a sidenote: Rage is one thing but... Death... don't even trying looking for them...

I've actually heard of Death.
Yeah but try and find their website...

I've found it after much difficulty... and lots of clicking...

I love Rage! Excellent German thrash/power metal band! Invisible Horizons is a brilliant song, as is the album it comes from, Secrets in a Weird World....

I vote RATM...


rage, no contest. a band fronted by an anarchist, with weird guitar squanks coming from some sort of whacked out maoist, getting drunken frat boys to sing along. besides, zack performed at a benefit show for a friend of a friend of mine (free sherman!).

And don't call Rage Against the Machine just Rage... Why? Cause there is. a metal band called Rage... Frankly I'd take Rage over Rage Against the Machine anyday...

F--k it... :evil:

OK so we have a boy band with a guitar, a couple of nice, safe, easy "political" causes, and some painfully inept Red Hot Chili Peppers musical tributes (and I HATE RHCP) up against a scruffy looking muppet and his fat bint sidekick. It's like choosing which peanut in the turd you have to suck clean... :roll:

I'm going for Rage Against The Machine though, because they had the decency to split up.

On a sidenote: Rage is one thing but... Death... don't even trying looking for them...

I've actually heard of Death.
Yeah but try and find their website...

I've found it after much difficulty... and lots of clicking...

Death didn't have a website. Chuck Schuldiner did tough, combining Death and Control Denied. Unfortunately, Chuck died in December 2001.

I reallt like RATM's guitarist...but I cant STAND Zack dela roach's voice..it annoys the piss out of me..

So..I'll pick the White Stripes.

At least he plays with super cheap equipement, showing taht you dont need super pricey stuff to rock.

this is a travesty, tenacious d should be up there :( :evil:

this is a travesty, tenacious d should be up there :( :evil:

Indeed. Tribute is genius. This Barry White bloke won't ever write anything as great as that... 8)

this is a travesty, tenacious d should be up there :( :evil:

Indeed. Tribute is genius. This Barry White bloke won't ever write anything as great as that... 8)

ah, just when i thought that everyone who loved good music was dead, or being held prisoner at MTV :D

this is a travesty, tenacious d should be up there :( :evil:

Indeed. Tribute is genius. This Barry White bloke won't ever write anything as great as that... 8)

Uhh.....you dont mean the late, great, doctor of smooth, and master of Gettin' it on Barry White, do you?

this is a travesty, tenacious d should be up there :( :evil:

Indeed. Tribute is genius. This Barry White bloke won't ever write anything as great as that... 8)

Uhh.....you dont mean the late, great, doctor of smooth, and master of Gettin' it on Barry White, do you?

I didn't know he was in the White Strokes... :shock: :shock: :shock:

this is a travesty, tenacious d should be up there :( :evil:

Indeed. Tribute is genius. This Barry White bloke won't ever write anything as great as that... 8)

Uhh.....you dont mean the late, great, doctor of smooth, and master of Gettin' it on Barry White, do you?

I didn't know he was in the White Strokes... :shock: :shock: :shock:

Heh...he aint...

Hes gettin' it on in Heaven now.....

this is a travesty, tenacious d should be up there :( :evil:

Indeed. Tribute is genius. This Barry White bloke won't ever write anything as great as that... 8)

Uhh.....you dont mean the late, great, doctor of smooth, and master of Gettin' it on Barry White, do you?

I didn't know he was in the White Strokes... :shock: :shock: :shock:

Heh...he aint...

Hes gettin' it on in Heaven now.....

We's in Heaven too? I didn't know they were still going... :shock: :shock:

Zach de la Rocha is easily the worst vocalist there is, so I have to go for the White Stripes.

Death would kick either of those two bands asses, though.

Personally, Rage Against the Machine - the lyrics are more intelligent and meaningful in my opinion. Plus good musically, but both are; still prefer the RATM style.

I never realised that NS players' opinions on music SUCKS. The fact is, The White Stripes absolutely suck. Any music critic will tell you that. I could play what that so called "drummer" plays just by listening to it. (and yes, i've tried, and no, I don't play drums) On the other hand, RATM is an awsomely powerful band, with awsomely powerful views(not as important as the music). The White Stripes can't even be compared with the awsominity of RATM. All I have to say is, people that voted for The White Stripes absolutely suck.

I suck because I like the White Stripes? Thanks, so much. That's real nice.

There's a lot of reasons I might "suck", but I never thought that might be one of them. Silly me for thinkin'.

Rage Against the Machine wins this round.

POLLS CLOSED VOTING CLOSED...

It's over.

There is no contest Rage Against the Machine wins in every category. Tom Morello is a phenomonally better guitarrist than Jack White. RATM's lyrics are superior and their message in most of their songs exposes injustices around the world, whether you like it or not. And whoever said that all Rage's songs sound the same obviously has not listened to them at all. Go listen to "Know Your Enemy" and then tell me that the White Stripes are a better band.

white stripes are cool, dead leaves and the dirty ground was my favourite song for a while. and their video clips are amazing. but in the end theyre just another rock band really.

RATM are better. Know your enemy is one of the greatest songs ever.
Their lyrics are intelligent and thought provoking in general and if theyre not, well then theyre powerful... "F*** YOU I WONT DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!"