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Note: inconsistent discoveries of statements were discovered by jews, not neo-Nazi's my conditioned liberals.

Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax

The Spotlight
Volume XIX, Number 2
May 31, 204

In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union -apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.

What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive 1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in the buildings designated as 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz.

With this admission by none other than the respected head of the Auschwitz State Museum, one of the most sacred 'facts' of history has been destroyed. This 'gas chamber' is the major historical 'fact' on which much of the foreign and domestic policies of all Western nations since WWII are based.

It is the basis for the $100+ billion in foreign aid the United States has poured into the state of Israel since its inception in 1948 - amounting to $16,500 for every man, woman and child in the Jewish state and billions more paid by Germany in 'reparations' - not to mention the constructing of Israel's national telephone, electrical and rail systems...all gifts of the German people. It is the basis for the $10 billion 'loan' (read 'gift') made to Israel for housing its immigrants in the occupied territories...while Americans sleep on the streets and businesses are bankrupted by the thousands. (Note - As of 2004, not a single 'loan' of US tax money made to the state of Israel by Washington has ever been paid back. -ed)
......

The political, religious, fiancial and historical ramifications of this proof of no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz cannot be measured. Coupled with the Leuchter Report, the Cole interview with Dr. Piper on videotape proves that what Western governments have taught about the Auschwitz gas chamber since WWII is a lie.

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

Remember Americans, everytime a soldier dies in Iraq for the security of Israel, everytime we threaten another country for Israel, everytime we send our Trillions of $'s to the jews in Israel, and everytime Europeans are thrown into jail for violating thought crimes in their countries, just remember this is the guilt complex that plagues the gentile whipping of "guilt". The jewish and zionist media will keep this under wraps of course, but know the cat is out of the bag by jewish admissions as well as scientific backing, things are going to get a little tougher for Israel. Maybe the Germans can awake and realize that they are not the whores of Israel providing them massive funds and military technology as well as reperations.

So jews didn't die, or just didn't die there? I have to say, you neo-nazis are getting clever about your efforts to destroy them. Much more covert than putting them in camps. I guess I should go and ask for my "guilt money" back before it gets sent over there for them to bathe in champagne and control the media with.

Yaknow, I don't have a problem with supporting Israel, as long as we do it right.

Cut out this "securing their borders" crap, work on expansion. A new war, a pre-emptive one like the many wars the arabs have launched against Israel. Let Israel take as much middle eastern territory as they want. Let's buy our oil from the Israeli Empire.

Note: inconsistent discoveries of statements were discovered by jews, not neo-Nazi's my conditioned liberals.

Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax

The Spotlight
Volume XIX, Number 2
May 31, 204

In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union -apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.

What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive 1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in the buildings designated as 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz.

With this admission by none other than the respected head of the Auschwitz State Museum, one of the most sacred 'facts' of history has been destroyed. This 'gas chamber' is the major historical 'fact' on which much of the foreign and domestic policies of all Western nations since WWII are based.

It is the basis for the $100+ billion in foreign aid the United States has poured into the state of Israel since its inception in 1948 - amounting to $16,500 for every man, woman and child in the Jewish state and billions more paid by Germany in 'reparations' - not to mention the constructing of Israel's national telephone, electrical and rail systems...all gifts of the German people. It is the basis for the $10 billion 'loan' (read 'gift') made to Israel for housing its immigrants in the occupied territories...while Americans sleep on the streets and businesses are bankrupted by the thousands. (Note - As of 2004, not a single 'loan' of US tax money made to the state of Israel by Washington has ever been paid back. -ed)
......

The political, religious, fiancial and historical ramifications of this proof of no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz cannot be measured. Coupled with the Leuchter Report, the Cole interview with Dr. Piper on videotape proves that what Western governments have taught about the Auschwitz gas chamber since WWII is a lie.

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

Remember Americans, everytime a soldier dies in Iraq for the security of Israel, everytime we threaten another country for Israel, everytime we send our Trillions of $'s to the jews in Israel, and everytime Europeans are thrown into jail for violating thought crimes in their countries, just remember this is the guilt complex that plagues the gentile whipping of "guilt". The jewish and zionist media will keep this under wraps of course, but know the cat is out of the bag by jewish admissions as well as scientific backing, things are going to get a little tougher for Israel. Maybe the Germans can awake and realize that they are not the whores of Israel providing them massive funds and military technology as well as reperations.

bullshat

spelling nazi! did you mean bullshit - TAR?

i think there might be a shread of truth there, but i doubt it.

So jews didn't die, or just didn't die there? I have to say, you neo-nazis are getting clever about your efforts to destroy them. Much more covert than putting them in camps. I guess I should go and ask for my "guilt money" back before it gets sent over there for them to bathe in champagne and control the media with.

I'm not a Neo-Nazi but the fact that jews weren't gassed to extinction proves that the hole basis for the holocaust is a hoax. Remember it was jews who questioned this gassing theort. It's a sad day when people are so brainwashed by this guilt complex that they are willing to give the jews everything they want and more. The jews are never thankful Trillions poured into Israel, the most modern military technology and economic protections fighting their wars all based on this lie. The myth is going to shatter these unconditional supporters of Israel.

So jews didn't die, or just didn't die there? I have to say, you neo-nazis are getting clever about your efforts to destroy them. Much more covert than putting them in camps. I guess I should go and ask for my "guilt money" back before it gets sent over there for them to bathe in champagne and control the media with.

I'm not a Neo-Nazi but the fact that jews weren't gassed to extinction proves that the hole basis for the holocaust is a hoax. Remember it was jews who questioned this gassing theort. It's a sad day when people are so brainwashed by this guilt complex that they are willing to give the jews everything they want and more. The jews are never thankful Trillions poured into Israel, the most modern military technology and economic protections fighting their wars all based on this lie. The myth is going to shatter these unconditional supporters of Israel.
Kinda like a little brother being jealous of the new baby getting all rhe attention, isn't it?

bullshat

Amazing how propaganda works right ? Jews finding that gassings were a host in addition with scientific backing and admission from the top levels yet you still believe the 6 million. 6 million and more. By the time our kids grow up it will have gone up to 8 million and the holocaust started in Texas.

I like how these neo-nazi fellas ignore the fact that the U.S. helped rebuild Western Germany after WWII as well.

Well from reading the Colditz books I know that at least 400 were murdered there in the face of the American and Russian advance (many more died of sickness or abuse before this time). Afterwards it was revealed that hundreds of slave workers from several European countries had been working there. I don't think it was an issolated event, and they weren't even being held in proper prison camps. I guess millions of those Jewish people are going to jump out of their hiding places that they've been in since the end of the war and yell 'suprise' any time now...

So the USSR gathered all the Holocaust Jew after the war and said, "They gased you." I doubt that. You forgot to mention the fact that the German government bought a crap-load of poisonous gas.

bullshat

Amazing how propaganda works right ? Jews finding that gassings were a host in addition with scientific backing and admission from the top levels yet you still believe the 6 million. 6 million and more. By the time our kids grow up it will have gone up to 8 million and the holocaust started in Texas.

i'm not even going to try and understand that

Yaknow, I don't have a problem with supporting Israel, as long as we do it right.

Cut out this "securing their borders" crap, work on expansion. A new war, a pre-emptive one like the many wars the arabs have launched against Israel. Let Israel take as much middle eastern territory as they want. Let's buy our oil from the Israeli Empire.\

Sorry I'm not a Zionist. Zionist Shabbos Goy forum is at Freerepublic.com

I've noticed that every time some idiot liberal or idiot conservative puts forth a story that sounds totally ridiculous, they cite a source that doesn't even begin to approach credible. If this were true, all the big news companies would be covering it.

Yaknow, I don't have a problem with supporting Israel, as long as we do it right.

Cut out this "securing their borders" crap, work on expansion. A new war, a pre-emptive one like the many wars the arabs have launched against Israel. Let Israel take as much middle eastern territory as they want. Let's buy our oil from the Israeli Empire.\

Sorry I'm not a Zionist. Zionist Shabbos Goy forum is at Freerepublic.com
This isn't Zionism, this is a military alliance that gives us control of middle eastern oil.

Well lets just check for credibility.
1. The poster was founded today.
2. The source quoted looks decidely weird (check the homepage).
3. No other news services are running anything on this.
4. All corroborative evidence for the existence of this monstrosous chamber are supposedly overturned by one statement from a museum director.
5. The post contains plenty of anti-Jewish spiel.

How stupid does this poster think we are?



:roll:

Oh Jesus, not another "The Holocaust never happened!oneone!1" moron..
This idiot's just going to attempt to refute any points we make with "You've been brainwashed by the Jew-controlled media!" and other such nonsense, so just ignore the troll.

What I find amazing is that these people claim the Holocaust never happened. Amazing how millions of people just disappeared. :?

What I find amazing is that these people claim the Holocaust never happened. Amazing how millions of people just disappeared. :?

And all the documentation, all the diaries, all the German records, all the trial testimony, all the admissions of guilt are supposedly false!

Just goes to show how illogical racism is - they cling to their pathetic beliefs despite any evidence in favour of such a strange viewpoint of their fellow humans, and deny any evidence which shows how devastatingly damaging these ideas can be.

What I find amazing is that these people claim the Holocaust never happened. Amazing how millions of people just disappeared. :?

And all the documentation, all the diaries, all the German records, all the trial testimony, all the admissions of guilt are supposedly false!

Just goes to show how illogical racism is - they cling to their pathetic beliefs despite any evidence in favour of such a strange viewpoint of their fellow humans, and deny any evidence which shows how devastatingly damaging these ideas can be.

Exactly. :wink:

What I find amazing is that these people claim the Holocaust never happened. Amazing how millions of people just disappeared. :?

And all the documentation, all the diaries, all the German records, all the trial testimony, all the admissions of guilt are supposedly false!

Just goes to show how illogical racism is - they cling to their pathetic beliefs despite any evidence in favour of such a strange viewpoint of their fellow humans, and deny any evidence which shows how devastatingly damaging these ideas can be.

its all a big conspiracy dude! the jews own all the newspapers and shit, so we are in total subverience man. we need to bust out of our shell and grasp the power of whities! :roll:

What I find amazing is that these people claim the Holocaust never happened. Amazing how millions of people just disappeared. :?

And all the documentation, all the diaries, all the German records, all the trial testimony, all the admissions of guilt are supposedly false!

Just goes to show how illogical racism is - they cling to their pathetic beliefs despite any evidence in favour of such a strange viewpoint of their fellow humans, and deny any evidence which shows how devastatingly damaging these ideas can be.

its all a big conspiracy dude! the jews own all the newspapers and shit, so we are in total subverience man. we need to bust out of our shell and grasp the power of whities! :roll:

And I suppose that, as usual, the absolute lack of any evidence to support this supposed conspiracy only proves that the cover-up is working?
:roll:

you never know man, some white biker could all of a sudden pull off some crazy essay and suprise the world. its possible i guess...

The political, religious, fiancial and historical ramifications of this proof of no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz cannot be measured. Coupled with the Leuchter Report, the Cole interview with Dr. Piper on videotape proves that what Western governments have taught about the Auschwitz gas chamber since WWII is a lie.

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

Remember Americans, everytime a soldier dies in Iraq for the security of Israel, everytime we threaten another country for Israel, everytime we send our Trillions of $'s to the jews in Israel, and everytime Europeans are thrown into jail for violating thought crimes in their countries, just remember this is the guilt complex that plagues the gentile whipping of "guilt". The jewish and zionist media will keep this under wraps of course, but know the cat is out of the bag by jewish admissions as well as scientific backing, things are going to get a little tougher for Israel. Maybe the Germans can awake and realize that they are not the whores of Israel providing them massive funds and military technology as well as reperations.

A few things. First, this "story" can only be found on websites like Stormfront (and Rense, which does such quality control :roll: ). Second, this story was first "covered" in 1992. You're a little late.

Third, it has already been refuted, both by nizkor AND Dr. Dr. Franciszek Piper HIMSELF.

http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-04.html

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/p/piper.franciszek/press/daily.texan.1093

In fact, Dr. Piper did not say there were NO gas chambers. He was talking about the FIRST gas chamber used in Nazi Germany, in Auschwitz.

The small gas chamber of Krema I was used for gassing for a short time, and then converted into an air-raid shelter; after the war, it was reconstructed to look as it did when it was used for gassing

From Piper's letter of response (translated from the Polish):

Dear Sirs,

In connection with an advertisement of David Cole (An open
letter to the daily Texan, February 19, 1993) in which he offers
the videotape named "David Cole -Interviews Dr Franciszek
Piper" I would like to inform your readers:

1. the sham interview with me there is the Neonazi
stylemonologue of young man who never seriously approached the great
tragedy of humanity named Auschwitz and Holocaust. In his
ingenuousness he decided to halt the part of the murderers
instead of their innocent victims - different every
honest man does. My answers on a few questions of Cole (who
deceitfully introduced himself as a man who wanted to convince his
acquaintances in America that Auschwitz was really a place of
genocide) constitute a small proportion of this video tape.

2. In his advertisement he introduces me as a "Head of
Auschwitz Archives at the Auschwitz State Museum". This is
untruth. I am not and I have been neither a head of Auschwitz Archives
nor a director of Auschwitz Musum, as Cole maintains in
other propaganda leaflets.[This is true; Piper is head of the Historical Department, not the archives, and he is not a director.] The purpose of such manipulation with of facts is clear - to attract potential purchasers of his "Interview" video tape.

3. Cole maintains that I first time admitted the allegedly
unknown fact the Nazis adapted the crematorium in question in
which the gas chamber were located for air-raid shelter, the fact
allegedly unknown even for Museum guides. It is un truth. See
enclosed copies of pages from the books which constitute the
fundamental reading for Auschwitz guides. In book by T-an Sehn
"Concentrat Camp Ogwiqcim-Brzezinka (Auschwitz-Birkenau)Warsaw 1957,
You may read on the page 152-"In May 1944 the old Crematorium
I in the base camp was adapted for use as an air raid shelter

The Fact is also confirmed in the book by Jean Claude Pressac
"Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers,
published by The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New York 1989(515
Madison Avenue. On the page 157 you may read: "With part of the
building converted to an air raid shelter, this is the state in which
the SS abandoned Krematorium I in January 1945" Repeating what
Pressac had written I told what was the nature of the
adaptation works carried out by the Nazis and what one had to do to
remove those changes in order to regain the previous appearance.
They are all "Pipers revelations. In spite of the fact that
such secondary restoration works had to be done there is an
undisputable reality that the gas chamber in question is housed in the same builldin which has been existed from prewar times till now.

4. The fact that the Nazi murderers used gas chambers (in
Birkenau you can see the ruins of the other 5 gas chambers) for
mass annihilation of innocent men, women and children, mostly
Jews, has been proved by thousands of memoires and depositions of
eyewitnesses as well as by German official documents and plans.
It is obvious fact for everybody who wants to approach the
problem, to contact still living witnesses and to study historical
sources.

5. I have devoted 28 years of my life to save the memory of
the counless victims of the Nazi barbarity to warn people against
indifference to all forms of racial, religious and national
based hatered, which leads to injustice, suffering and killing
of innocent people. Because of it I take the fact my name is
used for disseminating such kind of lies and hiding of the obvious
truth as a lack of honesty and dignity.

Yours, sincerely

Dr. Franciszek Piper

To sum up-

You're full of shit. Just ask the "interviewee".

bullshat

Amazing how propaganda works right ? Jews finding that gassings were a host in addition with scientific backing and admission from the top levels yet you still believe the 6 million. 6 million and more. By the time our kids grow up it will have gone up to 8 million and the holocaust started in Texas.


Yes, it is, indeed, interesting how Propoganda works. Shortly after the war was over, there were people trying to say it didn't happen. There are quite enough real-live people who were there, saw it, or liberated it (and are still alive), to counter this kind of bullshit.

Not "Academics", not "Propogandists" or "Party Members", but real, live, people.

It's still 20 years too early to start re-writing this, you should wait until the last survivors, and the last surviving Allied troops at the liberation of those places, have died, and been forgotten.

If you're not a Nazi, then you're a dupe, to believe this kind of shit.

The political, religious, fiancial and historical ramifications of this proof of no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz cannot be measured. Coupled with the Leuchter Report, the Cole interview with Dr. Piper on videotape proves that what Western governments have taught about the Auschwitz gas chamber since WWII is a lie. ....

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm
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A few things. First, this "story" can only be found on websites like Stormfront (and Rense, which does such quality control :roll: ). Second, this story was first "covered" in 1992. You're a little late.

Third, it has already been refuted, both by nizkor AND Dr. Dr. Franciszek Piper HIMSELF.

http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-04.html

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/p/piper.franciszek/press/daily.texan.1093

In fact, Dr. Piper did not say there were NO gas chambers. He was talking about the FIRST gas chamber used in Nazi Germany, in Auschwitz.

You're full of shit. Just ask the "interviewee".

Excellent post, good and quick research, thanks.
Unfortunately bigotry is never about "facts", so morons will continue to spout their racism.

Bullshit.

I e-mailed The Auschwitz Meuseum personally a long time ago, to ask about ashes and bone fragments that were left as a direct result of the gassings.....wich MOST CERTAINLY took place.

Below is the letter I recieved back.

Wysłano:
Temat: denial

IVBa-382/12268/03 Oświęcim,
dn. 17.09.2003

W odpowiedzi na zapytania wyrażone w liście - e-mailu z 11 września br.
informujemy uprzejmie, że podstawowe informacje na temat kości i popiołów
ofiar KL Auschwitz figurują w naszej publikacji: Auschwitz 1940-1945.
Central Issues in the History of the Camp. Oświęcim 2000, Volume II, s.
412-414. Szersze informacje na wymieniony temat może Pan znaleźć w numerze
21 naszych Zeszytów Oświęcimskich (w wersji niemieckiej: Hefte von
Auschwitz, 21, Oświęcim 2000, s.127 - 131). Niewątpliwie publikacje te są
dostępne w stosownych bibliotekach naukowych w Pańskim kraju, poza tym można
je nabyć w księgarni wysyłkowej w Krakowie pod adresem:
(Zdzisław Leś) Jewish Bookshop "Jarden", 31-052 Kraków, ul.
Szeroka 2 - ul. Miodowa 41, Tel/Fax 13 74, e-mail: <jarden @nova.kki.krakow.pl>
także w Warszawie : (Maciej Woliński) Lexicon. Księgarnia Wysyłkowa,
ul.Kielecka 16 m 4,
02-550 Warszawa, tel./
Z pozdrowieniami

Dyrekcja Państwowego Muzeum Auschwitz-Birkenau w
Oświęcimiu


(Unofficial translation)


In reply to your letter - e-mail dated 11 September 2003, we would like to
inform you that primary information about bones and ashes of the victims of
KL Auschwitz are in the publication Auschwitz 1940-1945. Central Issues in
the History of the Camp. Oświęcim 2000, Volume II, pp. 412-414. Further
explanation you may find in Zeszyty Oświęcimskie, no. 21
( German version Hefte von Auschwitz, 21, Oświęcim 2000, pp.127 - 131).
Undoubtedly these publications are available in appropriate university
libraries in your country, and also you can buy it by mail order from:
- (Zdzisław Leś) Jewish Bookshop "Jarden",
31-052 Kraków, ul. Szeroka 2 - ul. Miodowa 41, Tel/Fax +48(012) 421 71 66,
tel. 48(012) 429 13 74, e-mail: <jarden @nova.kki.krakow.pl>, http://
jarden.pl
- (Maciej Woliński) Lexicon. Księgarnia Wysyłkowa, ul.Kielecka 16 m 4,
02-550 Warszawa, tel./fax022/649 41 23, e-mail: lexicon@medlanet.com.pl


Yours sincerely


DIRECTOR



M.A.
Jerzy Wróblewski

A.S./t.w-c

The director of the Museum personally took the time to e mail me back.
In the books, recommended are all the info you would ever want to know, and there are pictures too.

Spread your lies somewhere else.

I think the Israeli government (and its American puppet-master) has gone way over the edge to secure Israel's "security". They're stirring more hate for themselves everytime they try to stamp away the hate. Pretty soon their bodies will catch on fire, and those who suffer would be the people. :roll:

What does Isreal's security have to do with Auschwitz...?

I think the Israeli government (and its American puppet-master) has gone way over the edge to secure Israel's "security". They're stirring more hate for themselves everytime they try to stamp away the hate. Pretty soon their bodies will catch on fire, and those who suffer would be the people. :roll:

Your thoughts on the present political and military situations in the Middle East are irrelevant to this thread's topic. If you want to talk about Israel, etc., you should start a new thread.

That is total bullshit. I can't belive that there are people who are that stupid and ignorant. I'm not even going to argue and prove to hellothedude that it really did happen, because you are not even worth the time it would take. However, open your tiny tiny mind and look at the facts. Dumbass.

not really. some of the stuff in the first post relates to current american and israeli relations.

so let's link up the 1940s and the 2000s: if israel detests genocide, maybe they should stop doing it themselves.

how's that? :lol:

not really. some of the stuff in the first post relates to current american and israeli relations.

so let's link up the 1940s and the 2000s: if israel detests genocide, maybe they should stop doing it themselves.

how's that? :lol:

Not good enough.

This isnt about Isreal, its about Auschwitz.

aw. too bad :(

so people are disproving the Holocaust. point being?

aw. too bad :(

so people are disproving the Holocaust. point being?

Woah woah woah.....

Little correction for ya.....

"denying" the Holocuast...not "disproving"...

To disprove something...requires PROOF...and that garbage on the first page..is what we call..."crap."

aw. too bad :(

so people are disproving the Holocaust. point being?

Woah woah woah.....

Little correction for ya.....

"denying" the Holocuast...not "disproving"...

To disprove something...requires PROOF...and that garbage on the first page..is what we call..."crap."

well, to "deny" you gotta "disprove". proofless denial has a word, but i can't remember it.

now don't digress. :lol:

aw. too bad :(

so people are disproving the Holocaust. point being?

Woah woah woah.....

Little correction for ya.....

"denying" the Holocuast...not "disproving"...

To disprove something...requires PROOF...and that garbage on the first page..is what we call..."crap."

well, to "deny" you gotta "disprove". proofless denial has a word, but i can't remember it.

now don't digress. :lol:

No...to deny something..all you have to do is say "it never happened".....you will be wrong, as in this case...
But you dont actualy have to prove anthing.....ignorance works like that.

What these people are doing..is saying.."it never happened" and giving FALSE proof, in order to gain sympathy to thier cause of hatred.

They know it happened, and only want to plant the seeds of doubt in your mind.

aw. too bad :(

so people are disproving the Holocaust. point being?

Woah woah woah.....

Little correction for ya.....

"denying" the Holocuast...not "disproving"...

To disprove something...requires PROOF...and that garbage on the first page..is what we call..."crap."

well, to "deny" you gotta "disprove". proofless denial has a word, but i can't remember it.

now don't digress. :lol:

No...to deny something..all you have to do is say "it never happened".....you will be wrong, as in this case...
But you dont actualy have to prove anthing.....ignorance works like that.

What these people are doing..is saying.."it never happened" and giving FALSE proof, in order to gain sympathy to thier cause of hatred.

They know it happened, and only want to plant the seeds of doubt in your mind.
i thought we were excluding ignorance around here. oh well.

i know it happened, so I'll stick with that belief and condemn genocide for the rest of my life. how's that?

aw. too bad :(

so people are disproving the Holocaust. point being?

Woah woah woah.....

Little correction for ya.....

"denying" the Holocuast...not "disproving"...

To disprove something...requires PROOF...and that garbage on the first page..is what we call..."crap."

well, to "deny" you gotta "disprove". proofless denial has a word, but i can't remember it.

now don't digress. :lol:

No...to deny something..all you have to do is say "it never happened".....you will be wrong, as in this case...
But you dont actualy have to prove anthing.....ignorance works like that.

What these people are doing..is saying.."it never happened" and giving FALSE proof, in order to gain sympathy to thier cause of hatred.

They know it happened, and only want to plant the seeds of doubt in your mind.
i thought we were excluding ignorance around here. oh well.

i know it happened, so I'll stick with that belief and condemn genocide for the rest of my life. how's that?

Good enough for me.

It is the basis for the $100+ billion in foreign aid the United States has poured into the state of Israel since its inception in 1948 - amounting to $16,500 for every man, woman and child in the Jewish state and billions more paid by Germany in 'reparations' - not to mention the constructing of Israel's national telephone, electrical and rail systems...all gifts of the German people. It is the basis for the $10 billion 'loan' (read 'gift') made to Israel for housing its immigrants in the occupied territories...while Americans sleep on the streets and businesses are bankrupted by the thousands. (Note - As of 2004, not a single 'loan' of US tax money made to the state of Israel by Washington has ever been paid back. -ed)
I am amazed that nobody bothered to comment on this particular piece of shit. Let me start:

1)US foreign aid to Israel is not, and has never been in any way related to the Holocaust. The main and only reason for the aid is the political and strategic alliance between Israel and the US.

2)This "article" shows a classic example of how the neo-Nazis and other Holocaust denying crowd misrepresent the issue of German compensations to Holocaust survivors. The compensations are NOT being paid for people who were killed during the Holocaust (otherwise the ammount of money paid would be ridiculously small if counted per dead person). Compensations are being paid to the SURVIVORS of the ghettos and concentration camps, as well as to other people who endured suffering and loss of property as a result of the German invasion. This does not include only Jewish people; for example, compensations are also being paid to the Soviet Union citizens who were evacuated from their land shortly before it was taken over by the Germans, losing their houses and other property. Interestingly enough, this "article" places in the same busket the reparations paid by Germany to the allied states whose economy was devastated by German bombings and commercial contracts between Germany and Israel. One word: bullshit. Quite a smelly one.

3)Whoever wrote the article, doesn't have the vaguest clue what it means that the US aid to Israel comes in "loan guarantees" (he even skips the guarantees part- perhaps he does it on purpose, after all). Loan guarantees does not mean that the US grants Israel actual loans- they give GUARANTEES, as in sign a promise that if Israel at some point finds itself unable to pay back the loans, then- and only then- the US will cover the debt. This agreement is then used as a guarantee of future payments by the Israeli government when loaning money in commercial banks- European or American. In other words, loan goarantees by their very nature cannot and should not be "paid back" to the US.

Did I mention that whoever wrote this piece is full of shit?

My Great-Uncle liberated a few camps.

What he saw affected him till he died.

He used to say that some of his buddies, he could not remember what they looked like, but he could still clearly see the faces he saw in those camps.

He also said that he had problems killing people before and during the war until he saw the camps. After that he felt that every German that died was more then justified.

So to the author of this crap.

You are nothing more then a logger head so go spout your lies elsewhere....

I believe the holocaust is likely (and a bad thing), but it doesn't make me "give the Jews whatever they want".

I have one name for you: Alexander Berkman. Sorry, there goes your whole "Jewish conspiracy to rule the world".

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I think it's bullshit.

I think it's bullshit.

Man, whats with all the Neo-nazis cropping up all of a sudden? Their all over the place....

Yaknow, I don't have a problem with supporting Israel, as long as we do it right.

Cut out this "securing their borders" crap, work on expansion. A new war, a pre-emptive one like the many wars the arabs have launched against Israel. Let Israel take as much middle eastern territory as they want. Let's buy our oil from the Israeli Empire.

Sieg Heil! Kill the Arabs!

Seriously, do you really think Arab lives are worth less then Israeli lives?

I believe the holocaust is likely (and a bad thing), but it doesn't make me "give the Jews whatever they want".

Who's asking you to?

I believe the holocaust is likely (and a bad thing), but it doesn't make me "give the Jews whatever they want".

Who's asking you to?
You know, I just might :wink:

:roll:

Hate to disappoint folks -- But the neo-Nazis haven't just "cropped up all the sudden".

The very free-ness of this game called NationStates has allowed them to be here. At one time I took issue with this, but sensing that simply banishing them and their roleplaying wannabes would only encourage them, I am using these forums and gameplay to more effectively counter them in NS.

:D Hats off to all of you who have confounded and tried to even reason with the professed Nazi sympathizers here in NS. While it may not do alot of good to change THEIR minds, we are all affecting the minds of those players not so well educated about the reality of the terrorism and the Holocaust perpetuated by the Nazi movement in the late 1930s through 1945. We are particularly educating the many young NS players (I'm showing my age here) not particularly sensitized by why we might find such aduration of Nazis offensive.

As a public service, I note the regions that I know of in NS that are Nazi themed. Not all nations within those are so themed, but a reading of their Civil HQ's and suggested off-site forums can give you an idea. I list them not in any particular order of importance or stature within NS:

NAZI EUROPE
SS Nazi Europe
The Hapsburg Empire
Bonn
Nazi Deutschland Axis
National Socialist Alliance
First Reich of Der Furher

:wink: I would love to be corrected in regards to the actual standing of such regions, as well as be clued in on additional regions I had not listed. For example, Imperial Europe would have been also listed, but for the past few weeks it has lost its Nazi-characteristics.

:!: Please be aware of NS gameplay rules regarding Region Crashing, etc. These are some of the most watched regions by NS moderators because of NS rule violations both by professed nazi sympathizers and their opponents. I am NOT a moderator. I HAVE been active in challenging professed Nazis within NS. The best place I have found to do so is within these forums and in the Civil HQ's of regions that might make alliance with such regions (as of this writing the region Minnesota for example).

Guys,
I don't think that there is any point arguing with the type of person who have managed convinced themselves that something as significant and horrific as the Holocaust did not happen. If they can convince themselves of this then do you really think they are of a sound and rational mind, and can discuss the matter objectively and logically? No, and by bothering to argue you are giving them power because they know their stupid little story has been heard.

Denying the holocaust is not just denying the murder of millions of people - it would require the denial of the use of concentration camp inmates as guinea pigs, for disgusting medical trials, it would require the denial of unquestionably factual events like the Wanasee Conference where the Jewish future was planned, even down to the sickening anti-Jewish propaganda that appeared in occupied countries like France. So, these idiots who have persuaded themselves that the gas ovens and showers were not used for deeds that the rest of the right-minded world accept would have have to deny ALL of the smaller deeds that built up to the Final Solution. To do this requires either a lobotomy or such blinkered thought that I'd be surprised if they can tie their shoe laces.

By giving them time and space you just keep turning their little keys so they can go on ranting for another couple of years. I personally think they should be ignored until they can learn to behave like rational people and discuss the issue and the facts without having to create their own.

B

Remember that e mail that I posted on page two?
The one that I recieved from the Auschwitz Director?

Heres another little tidbit that will exspose this for the bullshit that it is...


In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted

Notice the different names.....

Yours sincerely


DIRECTOR



M.A.
Jerzy Wróblewski

A.S./t.w-c

Huh..thats funny........the names are different....

Almost as if someone is lying.......funny that...

freaky idiot

My grandfather's brother served 15 years after WW II for what he did in the Nazi party. It happened and if you really believe that it didn't, do the world a favor and don't have children, idiots like you are what is bring the gen pool down.

and about Israel if the US left them alone and told Israel to handle their own problems. Israel would be 10 times larger and there would not be any arabics in the middle east. several of times Israel's army has beaten forces 10 times it's greater.

Remember that e mail that I posted on page two?
The one that I recieved from the Auschwitz Director?

Heres another little tidbit that will exspose this for the bullshit that it is...


In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted

Notice the different names.....

Yours sincerely


DIRECTOR



M.A.
Jerzy Wróblewski

A.S./t.w-c

Huh..thats funny........the names are different....

Almost as if someone is lying.......funny that...

Also, the fact that Dr. Piper himself wrote in that he wasn't the director. :wink:

Remember that e mail that I posted on page two?
The one that I recieved from the Auschwitz Director?

Heres another little tidbit that will exspose this for the bullshit that it is...


In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted

Notice the different names.....

Yours sincerely


DIRECTOR



M.A.
Jerzy Wróblewski

A.S./t.w-c

Huh..thats funny........the names are different....

Almost as if someone is lying.......funny that...

Also, the fact that Dr. Piper himself wrote in that he wasn't the director. :wink:


See?

To much goosestepping makes you dumb.

So HelloTheDude has been owned then...



Will they come back..?

So HelloTheDude has been owned then...



Will they come back..?

Oh I hope so...

Hes not the first Nazi on this board that myself and others have owned.

So HelloTheDude has been owned then...



Will they come back..?

Oh I hope so...

Hes not the first Nazi on this board that myself and others have owned.

Gotta admit I enjoyed this thread....its like shooting fish in a barrel:)

Nice job you guys!

What I find amazing is that these people claim the Holocaust never happened. Amazing how millions of people just disappeared. :?

And all the documentation, all the diaries, all the German records, all the trial testimony, all the admissions of guilt are supposedly false!

Just goes to show how illogical racism is - they cling to their pathetic beliefs despite any evidence in favour of such a strange viewpoint of their fellow humans, and deny any evidence which shows how devastatingly damaging these ideas can be.

the best thing about neo-nazis is that they will swear up and down that the holocaust never happened and that all of the evidence is a jewish conspiracy. but then they will say that rounding the jews up and killing them would have been a pretty good idea and that its a shame that hitler didn't.

The political, religious, fiancial and historical ramifications of this proof of no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz cannot be measured. Coupled with the Leuchter Report, the Cole interview with Dr. Piper on videotape proves that what Western governments have taught about the Auschwitz gas chamber since WWII is a lie.

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

Remember Americans, everytime a soldier dies in Iraq for the security of Israel, everytime we threaten another country for Israel, everytime we send our Trillions of $'s to the jews in Israel, and everytime Europeans are thrown into jail for violating thought crimes in their countries, just remember this is the guilt complex that plagues the gentile whipping of "guilt". The jewish and zionist media will keep this under wraps of course, but know the cat is out of the bag by jewish admissions as well as scientific backing, things are going to get a little tougher for Israel. Maybe the Germans can awake and realize that they are not the whores of Israel providing them massive funds and military technology as well as reperations.

A few things. First, this "story" can only be found on websites like Stormfront (and Rense, which does such quality control :roll: ). Second, this story was first "covered" in 1992. You're a little late.

Third, it has already been refuted, both by nizkor AND Dr. Dr. Franciszek Piper HIMSELF.

http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-04.html

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/p/piper.franciszek/press/daily.texan.1093

In fact, Dr. Piper did not say there were NO gas chambers. He was talking about the FIRST gas chamber used in Nazi Germany, in Auschwitz.

The small gas chamber of Krema I was used for gassing for a short time, and then converted into an air-raid shelter; after the war, it was reconstructed to look as it did when it was used for gassing

From Piper's letter of response (translated from the Polish):

Dear Sirs,

In connection with an advertisement of David Cole (An open
letter to the daily Texan, February 19, 1993) in which he offers
the videotape named "David Cole -Interviews Dr Franciszek
Piper" I would like to inform your readers:

1. the sham interview with me there is the Neonazi
stylemonologue of young man who never seriously approached the great
tragedy of humanity named Auschwitz and Holocaust. In his
ingenuousness he decided to halt the part of the murderers
instead of their innocent victims - different every
honest man does. My answers on a few questions of Cole (who
deceitfully introduced himself as a man who wanted to convince his
acquaintances in America that Auschwitz was really a place of
genocide) constitute a small proportion of this video tape.

2. In his advertisement he introduces me as a "Head of
Auschwitz Archives at the Auschwitz State Museum". This is
untruth. I am not and I have been neither a head of Auschwitz Archives
nor a director of Auschwitz Musum, as Cole maintains in
other propaganda leaflets.[This is true; Piper is head of the Historical Department, not the archives, and he is not a director.] The purpose of such manipulation with of facts is clear - to attract potential purchasers of his "Interview" video tape.

3. Cole maintains that I first time admitted the allegedly
unknown fact the Nazis adapted the crematorium in question in
which the gas chamber were located for air-raid shelter, the fact
allegedly unknown even for Museum guides. It is un truth. See
enclosed copies of pages from the books which constitute the
fundamental reading for Auschwitz guides. In book by T-an Sehn
"Concentrat Camp Ogwiqcim-Brzezinka (Auschwitz-Birkenau)Warsaw 1957,
You may read on the page 152-"In May 1944 the old Crematorium
I in the base camp was adapted for use as an air raid shelter

The Fact is also confirmed in the book by Jean Claude Pressac
"Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers,
published by The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New York 1989(515
Madison Avenue. On the page 157 you may read: "With part of the
building converted to an air raid shelter, this is the state in which
the SS abandoned Krematorium I in January 1945" Repeating what
Pressac had written I told what was the nature of the
adaptation works carried out by the Nazis and what one had to do to
remove those changes in order to regain the previous appearance.
They are all "Pipers revelations. In spite of the fact that
such secondary restoration works had to be done there is an
undisputable reality that the gas chamber in question is housed in the same builldin which has been existed from prewar times till now.

4. The fact that the Nazi murderers used gas chambers (in
Birkenau you can see the ruins of the other 5 gas chambers) for
mass annihilation of innocent men, women and children, mostly
Jews, has been proved by thousands of memoires and depositions of
eyewitnesses as well as by German official documents and plans.
It is obvious fact for everybody who wants to approach the
problem, to contact still living witnesses and to study historical
sources.

5. I have devoted 28 years of my life to save the memory of
the counless victims of the Nazi barbarity to warn people against
indifference to all forms of racial, religious and national
based hatered, which leads to injustice, suffering and killing
of innocent people. Because of it I take the fact my name is
used for disseminating such kind of lies and hiding of the obvious
truth as a lack of honesty and dignity.

Yours, sincerely

Dr. Franciszek Piper

To sum up-

You're full of shit. Just ask the "interviewee".

Dang... I come in... read a BS article I've seen before.... get all geared up to nail him with the rebuttal .... and somebody ebat me to it!

:wink:

Ah well.


And let's not forget one other point:

Rence was the site that "broke the story" that Kerry was having an affair with an intern who had to flee the country.... except that he wasn't and she had left to join her fiance in Africa.


Another quality reporting moment brought to you by Rence.

And let's not forget one other point:

Rence was the site that "broke the story" that Kerry was having an affair with an intern who had to flee the country.... except that he wasn't and she had left to join her fiance in Africa.


Another quality reporting moment brought to you by Rence.

you might be interested in this article...

http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/politics/national/features/9221/index.html

(sorry for going off topic)