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Now, whenever we see a pic of D-Day, we don't see regular men struggling to make it to the beach. We see real brave men prepared to take on the most powerful enemy of the 20th century. At least I do.

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The Russians deserve as much respect as the Americans, British, and other Allied fighters. For they had to obey the orders of Stalin. They had to fight through Stalingrad. They are the ones who invaded Berlin, the capitol of Nazi Germany

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Pearl Harbor. A huge attack on America, an unexpected attack. One that rivaled 9/11. But guess what? We didn't take it sitting down anymore. No...the Americans struck back and became the deciding factor on how long Japan was to remain unsurrendered.

I'm taking requests for pictures to put up here....for I am not happy with Google's broad results.

I don't think we should give the Russians that much credit, they tried to help hitler in the begining

*salutes*

I had lots of relatives in WWII. Alot of them died.

I don't think we should give the Russians that much credit, they tried to help hitler in the begining
so we shouldn't give the Americans credit? They came in late?
So we shouldn't give the British credit? They never stopped Hitler when he took power?

I don't think we should give the Russians that much credit, they tried to help hitler in the begining

*Slaps Schrandtopia*

Show some respect!

My rememberence thread:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=149146

I don't think we should give the Russians that much credit, they tried to help hitler in the begining

The fact that 18,000,000 of them died fighting the Nazis counts for nothing?

Regarding WW2, the wrong side won.

Regarding WW2, the wrong side won.Wrong about what?

Regarding WW2, the wrong side won.Yes, tell us your strange propaganda.

Regarding WW2, the wrong side won.Wrong about what?

I'm a National Socialist. For me, the wrong side won - the Allies. I'd have preferred an Axis victory. I don't deny the bravery of the Allied soldiers involved, and they deserve their monument, but there is no monument to the brave soldiers of the Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS who fought and died for their country and their leader in far, far greater numbers than the Americans.

There is no memorial day for them, because their cause has been written off by history. It's the victors who write the history books, not the vanquished.

Regarding WW2, the wrong side won.Wrong about what?

I'm a National Socialist. For me, the wrong side won - the Allies. I'd have preferred an Axis victory. I don't deny the bravery of the Allied soldiers involved, and they deserve their monument, but there is no monument to the brave soldiers of the Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS who fought and died for their country and their leader in far, far greater numbers than the Americans.

There is no memorial day for them, because their cause has been written off by history. It's the victors who write the history books, not the vanquished.All of that is good, but it fails to explain what the Allies were wrong about.

Regarding WW2, the wrong side won.Wrong about what?

I'm a National Socialist. For me, the wrong side won - the Allies. I'd have preferred an Axis victory. I don't deny the bravery of the Allied soldiers involved, and they deserve their monument, but there is no monument to the brave soldiers of the Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS who fought and died for their country and their leader in far, far greater numbers than the Americans.

There is no memorial day for them, because their cause has been written off by history. It's the victors who write the history books, not the vanquished.The losers normally choose not to remember their loses.

What about the british?

SUPREME HEADQUARTERS
ALLIED EXPEDITIONARY FORCE
Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force!
You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have
striven these many months. The eyes of liberty loving people everywhere
march with you. In company with our brave Allies and brothers in arms on
other Fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German war
machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of
Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world.

Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well
equipped and battle hardened. He will fight savagely.

But this is the year 1944! Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of
1940-41. The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats,
in open battle, man to man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their
strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our Home
Fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions
of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men.
The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to
Victory!

I have full confidence in your courage and devotion to duty and skill in
battle. We will accept nothing less than full Victory!

Good luck! And let us beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great
and noble undertaking.


SIGNED: Dwight D. Eisenhower


Order of the Day
June 6, 1944

I don't think we should give the Russians that much credit, they tried to help hitler in the begining
It's spelt "SOVIETS". The Soviets lost over 20 million people in the Second World War, and managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat by sheer willpower (and US factories :) ). Don't denigrate the fighting spirit of the Soviet Union and its soldiers.

*Salutes the brave Allied soldiers who won the greatest war in history.*

*bows head*

thats for shit sure man, those guys saved our asses. we would be all speaking german and killing jews if it werent for our brave forefathers (including the damn commies//// i mean russians)

i think it's not just the ALLIED soldiers. axis soldiers should be saluted too :roll:

i think it's not just the ALLIED soldiers. axis soldiers should be saluted too :roll:

I think all the dead should be pitied, and their sacrifices recognized. That said, I cannot in good conscience "salute" Axis soldiers that believed in and perpetrated genocide against millions, anymore than I can salute US soldiers responsible for the Japanese Internment camps.

i think it's not just the ALLIED soldiers. axis soldiers should be saluted too :roll:

I think all the dead should be pitied, and their sacrifices recognized. That said, I cannot in good conscience "salute" Axis soldiers that believed in and perpetrated genocide against millions, anymore than I can salute US soldiers responsible for the Japanese Internment camps.

were all german/japanese/italian soldiers bad?
i doubt it.

were all american/british/french/chinese/russian soldiers good?
i doubt it even more.

so are you going to salute somebody because of their nationalities? or are you going to salute somebody individually for their own merits in an objective, intelligent way?

i think it's not just the ALLIED soldiers. axis soldiers should be saluted too :roll:

I think all the dead should be pitied, and their sacrifices recognized. That said, I cannot in good conscience "salute" Axis soldiers that believed in and perpetrated genocide against millions, anymore than I can salute US soldiers responsible for the Japanese Internment camps.

were all german/japanese/italian soldiers bad?
i doubt it.

were all american/british/french/chinese/russian soldiers good?
i doubt it even more.

so are you going to salute somebody because of their nationalities? or are you going to salute somebody individually for their own merits in an objective, intelligent way?
the russians and the french tortured their prisoners.

there we are. you can't deny that many axis soldiers were more courageous and patriotic and defending what they believe and compassionate than what many allied soldiers were.

Im about as German as an american born citizen can be....my ancestors came from Hannover Germany, and I still have distant relatives there.
Some of whom fought against the US.
My Grandfather, also fought in WW2, but on the Allied side.

Most people who did so, fought becuase they believed it was the right thing to do.
They believed what thier leaders said, or believed that right and justice were on thier side.
When your country calls....the brave take up arms.

While the Nazi party and thier goals of madness left a black stain on history, the valiant, and worthy adversaries of the German people, must not be looked down upon.
If you were there, and of fighting age...you would have fought too.

There is no shame in defeat, but you can take pride in stopping Nazi Germany from thier goals.

I am proud of my heritage, and equally proud of my Grandfather, who fought on the Allied side in WWII.

The British had pretty much won the war before the Americans arrived, El Alamien, The Battle of Britian, we won them all. The British cracked the enigma code, solved the mystery of the influence mines and developed the radar system, etc.

The British had pretty much won the war before the Americans arrived, El Alamien, The Battle of Britian, we won them all. The British cracked the enigma code, solved the mystery of the influence mines and developed the radar system.

The US essentially saved more of Europe from the iron curtain.

The British had pretty much won the war before the Americans arrived, El Alamien, The Battle of Britian, we won them all. The British cracked the enigma code, solved the mystery of the influence mines and developed the radar system.

Umm..Im sorry to break it to you...

but, you need to brush up on your history.

If it werent for Russian and American involvement.....perhaps particularly Americas involvement...you would be speaking German right now.

The British had pretty much won the war before the Americans arrived, El Alamien, The Battle of Britian, we won them all. The British cracked the enigma code, solved the mystery of the influence mines and developed the radar system.

Umm..Im sorry to break it to you...

but, you need to brush up on your history.

If it werent for Russian and American involvement.....perhaps particularly Americas involvement...you would be speaking German right now.

Thats a pretty big call to make saying the Germany would have taken england, especially after the BoB.

The British had pretty much won the war before the Americans arrived, El Alamien, The Battle of Britian, we won them all. The British cracked the enigma code, solved the mystery of the influence mines and developed the radar system.

Excuse me..."pretty much won the war before the Americans arrived"?? ahmm...you been doing some revisionist reading or what?..You got routed out of Europe in 39, with your tails tucked between your legs at Dunkirk, if not for the noble actions of any Englishmen with a boat that could float you would have given the Nazis virtually every member of the British Expeditionary Force in France, not to mention what French forces you could evacuate.

Yes.you won the Battle of Britian, but not before the Nazis had made a virtual hell of London, and forced you to take the extraordinary step of physically relocating your nation's children to Scotland.

Germany's U-Boat wolf packs had hamstrung your shipping to the point Britain was more then relieved but estactic when Lend-Lease was approved.

While we American certainly didn't win it on our own..it is a fallacy to assume that Britain had "prettymuch won the war" prior to our involvment.

The British had pretty much won the war before the Americans arrived, El Alamien, The Battle of Britian, we won them all. The British cracked the enigma code, solved the mystery of the influence mines and developed the radar system.

Umm..Im sorry to break it to you...

but, you need to brush up on your history.

If it werent for Russian and American involvement.....perhaps particularly Americas involvement...you would be speaking German right now.

Thats a pretty big call to make saying the Germany would have taken england, especially after the BoB.

Think about it....

Once they had France..and most of Europe.....what would have stopped a second attack?

Nothing.....there would have been no one to stop them from attacking a second time..in larger numbers....and on the ground as well...
It would have been the Normandy Landing.....except on English soil.

That and we all know it was the New Zealanders that won Al Elamien :D

dont get me wrong....our British cousins were a vital asset to the war effort.
They had sack!
Im not taking anything away from the Brits.....but without America and Russia.....it would have been merely a matter of time.

That and we all know it was the New Zealanders that won Al Elamien :D

nope, it was the aussies :D

i think these "what if" arguments about history are useless. they might be fun thinking and fantasising, but crude in a justified historical debate.

That and we all know it was the New Zealanders that won Al Elamien :D

nope, it was the aussies :D

Nope..you guys have it wrong..what won El-Alamein was a .303 Lee-Enfield in whosever hands it was in...

That and we all know it was the New Zealanders that won Al Elamien :D

nope, it was the aussies :D

My Gramps was stationed in the 350th Bomber group.
There were based in Aussie-land.

He didnt like to talk about it much, but he never had anything but good things to say about the Aussies.

That and we all know it was the New Zealanders that won Al Elamien :D

nope, it was the aussies :D

Nope..you guys have it wrong..what won El-Alamein was a .303 Lee-Enfield in whosever hands it was in...

yep :D

That and we all know it was the New Zealanders that won Al Elamien :D

nope, it was the aussies :D

Nope..you guys have it wrong..what won El-Alamein was a .303 Lee-Enfield in whosever hands it was in...

Charles Upham's (VC+Bar) prefered weapon was the grenade...

That and we all know it was the New Zealanders that won Al Elamien :D

nope, it was the aussies :D

Nope..you guys have it wrong..what won El-Alamein was a .303 Lee-Enfield in whosever hands it was in...

yep :D

Ive noticed in the Desert Combat game...

the key to taking that map..is Air superoirity.
Tanks and troops are great...but one good bombing run..and you have dead bodies and smoking metal ruins.....

i think it's not just the ALLIED soldiers. axis soldiers should be saluted too :roll:

I think all the dead should be pitied, and their sacrifices recognized. That said, I cannot in good conscience "salute" Axis soldiers that believed in and perpetrated genocide against millions, anymore than I can salute US soldiers responsible for the Japanese Internment camps.

were all german/japanese/italian soldiers bad?
i doubt it.

were all american/british/french/chinese/russian soldiers good?
i doubt it even more.

so are you going to salute somebody because of their nationalities? or are you going to salute somebody individually for their own merits in an objective, intelligent way?

I don't recall saying I was going to necessarily "salute" anyone. What I did say is that I could not "salute" people who were fighting for an ideology I find to be repugnant, and who engaged in repugnant actions. While there were certainly plenty of German soldiers who did not take part in genocide, it remains an open question as to what they were fighting FOR. One could raise similar objections in regards to the Japanese, and, indeed, to the Soviets. And certainly all sides engaged in atrocities. That said, my current impression is that far more atrocities were comitted by the Axis than the Allies (with the possible exception of the USSR).

you can't deny that many axis soldiers were more courageous and patriotic and defending what they believe and compassionate than what many allied soldiers were.

One certainly can, because all you've done is give an unsubstantiated opinion. Feel free to try to argue it. You can start by defining courageous and compassionate, then showing how the Axis forces demonstrated these traits on a continuous basis, finally contrasting them to the Allies.

It's not enough to simply say, "Well, obviously this is X". If you're going to throw out these sweeping statements, you should also back them up.

QahJoh?
Did you read my first post on this page?

QahJoh?
Did you read my first post on this page?

Indeed. And some of what you said rings quite true.

Nevertheless, I stand behind my statements. I recognize the accomplishments and sacrifices made, and would "salute" individual soldiers, but I do not feel uncomfortable "saluting" the Axis forces as a whole. Even if there were large numbers of German soldiers who did not engage in genocide (such as the Wermacht), it is still an open question as to whether or not they believed in, and were fighting for, the Nazi ideology of Aryan supremacy. I will not salute such people, although I will pity them.

Simply put, I will not honor the men who murdered MY family. I can understand why some of them did it; I can perhaps even forgive them. But I will not SALUTE them.

I hope you can understand why I feel this way, even if you perhaps disagree.

Well CONGRATS EVERYONE! You just turned a memorial to our soldiers into another NS debate full of dribble and attacks on one another. People saying that they could've done it all without help. People saying that the Axis need respect to. It;s all the same to me in this thread!

I'm requesting a lock for the sake of the respect for our soldiers.

Well CONGRATS EVERYONE! You just turned a memorial to our soldiers into another NS debate full of dribble and attacks on one another. People saying that they could've done it all without help. People saying that the Axis need respect to. It;s all the same to me in this thread!

I'm requesting a lock for the sake of the respect for our soldiers.