NationStates Jolt Archive

does N-S seem to be sinking into the mire of online games or is it still it's top calibler self?

No different...

But it is getting into the stage of redundancy.

From the day I was created, and most likely well before then, I don't think that NS has ever been what it was intended to be. Growth, decline, etc etc.... its all relative to what point in its history you draw your nostalgic memories from.

I think that the forum is declining, mostly since I stopped using it after Forum 7 was deleted. The game is pretty much a constant quality (maybe increasing, since more issues are being made) that only depends on how you're feeling.

I have played for 10 months now, and I have seen this question posited every month or so. The game and the forums seem to me to be fairly consistant.

1. Invading is soon to be eliminated, and
2. the forums are growing very irritating to access.

With invading gone, I won't play the game, and the forums aren't worth it. I'm fairly certain that I won't be around by the end of the summer.

I'm liking the NS community a bit less lately.

The forum is always unpredictable and then when I get on it's hard to find people I like or a good debate to join.

This forum's seen better days we'll say.

1. Invading is soon to be eliminated, and
2. the forums are growing very irritating to access.

With invading gone, I won't play the game, and the forums aren't worth it. I'm fairly certain that I won't be around by the end of the summer.

What do you mean 'invading'? I'm sure they would eliminate region crashing that is like the whole game for some people.

Plus the forums are being Jolted.

I haven't heard about the banning of invading.

I agree the forum has got a bit stale, and I am beginning to find it hard to find an interesting discussion.

I'm liking the NS community a bit less lately.

Perhapse there is a reason for this..........

And it does not appear invading will be banned, just shunted off into the warzones, so invaders can play with those who want to play that game.

1. Invading is soon to be eliminated, and
2. the forums are growing very irritating to access.

With invading gone, I won't play the game, and the forums aren't worth it. I'm fairly certain that I won't be around by the end of the summer.

What do you mean 'invading'? I'm sure they would eliminate region crashing that is like the whole game for some people.

Plus the forums are being Jolted.

Yes, invading (I've never liked the term "region crashing," but that's my opinion) is the whole game for many people. This is perfectly fine because it is a part of the whole game, included in the rules and present practically since the beginning. Invading has not been banned, no, but it has been made virtually impossible, as of this announcement regarding pending changes: http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/salusasecondus/SalusaQ&A.log

[12:00am] «@ SalusaSecondus » New Features: YES!
[12:01am] «@ SalusaSecondus » First: What sort of new features?
[12:02am] «@ SalusaSecondus » Ok, this is not an official announcement, and any/all of this is subject to change
[12:02am] «@ SalusaSecondus » LIMITED bbCode in factbook entries
[12:03am] «@ SalusaSecondus » Regional Successors (ie. when a founder idles out it can be inherited)
[12:03am] «@ SalusaSecondus » More anti-cheating code
[12:03am] «@ SalusaSecondus » Randomized Region Order for updates

Indeed, this makes both defending and invading a waste of time. As shunting invaders off to the Warzones for the sake of protecting the players who don't want to be invaded, that's crap. Invading has been in the game for quite some time, and to save them from a game element is ridiculous. It would be much like a person who lives in the US saying that he loves the country, but since he hates the taxation, someone needs to protect him from them (perhaps by creating special "taxation only" regions). I also love how it was done slowly over the last year, as if some of us didn't know that such regions were proposed last year, but no one was interested. Now, when they suddenly want to test out such regions, rules are going into place to complete the phasing out of invasions. How convenient. Doomed to failure, too, since no self-respecting invader would want to play in their little cages.

I really couldn't care less about the forums, they've only been a side-game in regards to why I'm here. The FUA will suffice in light of current circumstances.

I'm sorry, did I kill this with my doom-and-gloom? Bump.

Well to me teh game is losing the repectful veterans and being invaded by newbs like almost every game out there! these newbs arent new begginers but annoying tinybopers with nothing to do :x

Well to me teh game is losing the repectful veterans and being invaded by newbs like almost every game out there! these newbs arent new begginers but annoying tinybopers with nothing to do :x

Unfortunately, that's not about to end any time soon. As certain elements of the game are lost, so will be those who enjoyed those elements.

Ah, that's exactly what they used to say a year ago :lol:

It's getting a little boring i suppose

I myself play tons of online games liek to take area00 for instence when i joined tehre were 1k players and we all played fair ( you ahve to play the game to know about this stuff ) and i quit for a while and i came back 20k players and the game is a newb bashing war *sigh* sry im not making sense but im just mad :cry:

Yes, the forums are declining. Granted that relatively, my little November nation isn't all that old, but I've been around long enough to see some changes. The debates are becoming redundant, with topics that lack any sort of creativity or originality. The players are becoming conservative and hard-lined, and because of this, the place is just losing its "fun."

First they got rid of Forum 7, which I can understand because it was nothing but spam. Yes, it could be argued that it was a good place to go and just be silly for a change, but having an entire forum devoted to that was a bit excessive. Then they banned word games, which I do not agree with, but can still understand. Next on the chopping block are chat threads. This I find the saddest greivance. Yes RPs are fun, as are debates, but it's nice to interact with other players themselves and not a character or someone ranting about a particular subject. Makes me wonder if this would be an issue if people like RR, BMV, LG, or NEE were still around...

Yes, the forums are declining. Granted that relatively, my little November nation isn't all that old, but I've been around long enough to see some changes. The debates are becoming redundant, with topics that lack any sort of creativity or originality. The players are becoming conservative and hard-lined, and because of this, the place is just losing its "fun."

First they got rid of Forum 7, which I can understand because it was nothing but spam. Yes, it could be argued that it was a good place to go and just be silly for a change, but having an entire forum devoted to that was a bit excessive. Then they banned word games, which I do not agree with, but can still understand. Next on the chopping block are chat threads. This I find the saddest greivance. Yes RPs are fun, as are debates, but it's nice to interact with other players themselves and not a character or someone ranting about a particular subject. Makes me wonder if this would be an issue if people like RR, BMV, LG, or NEE were still around...


the forums are dead, and the game itself is on its last legs

Well, I've beaten this drum before, but I think that the General forum was at its best when I first joined. There were quite a few interesting philosophical and political debates then, and I think this was because we were lucky enough to have a good mix of intelligent people. Most of these people are gone now, and the General forum has never reached that peak again, in my opinion. It's not that none of the debates are interesting, but the good ones are fewer and farther between.

It hasn't been the same for a good 7 months now.

The game has gone to:

[code:1:f9931106ed] I activated 1st Infantry and 3rd Calavry along with 150 Anti-Missile Sites [/code:1:f9931106ed]

to :cry:

[code:1:f9931106ed] 0mG I NUk0rs j0000!!!!!!!!11111 Yeh 1000000 megaton nUkes! [/code:1:f9931106ed]

the vets are retreating boy! I suggest you do the same

I joined seven days after SuperHappyFun, and must agree with his statement, a year ago there were so many respected players, and they clashed often. I thought that TAR, MD, GtWD along with a few others would become the new royalty, but they let the +1 get on top of them, and lost the respect they had earned.

1. Invading is soon to be eliminated, and
2. the forums are growing very irritating to access.

With invading gone, I won't play the game, and the forums aren't worth it. I'm fairly certain that I won't be around by the end of the summer.

What do you mean 'invading'? I'm sure they would eliminate region crashing that is like the whole game for some people.

Plus the forums are being Jolted.

Yes, invading (I've never liked the term "region crashing," but that's my opinion) is the whole game for many people. This is perfectly fine because it is a part of the whole game, included in the rules and present practically since the beginning. Invading has not been banned, no, but it has been made virtually impossible, as of this announcement regarding pending changes: http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/salusasecondus/SalusaQ&A.log

[12:00am] «@ SalusaSecondus » New Features: YES!
[12:01am] «@ SalusaSecondus » First: What sort of new features?
[12:02am] «@ SalusaSecondus » Ok, this is not an official announcement, and any/all of this is subject to change
[12:02am] «@ SalusaSecondus » LIMITED bbCode in factbook entries
[12:03am] «@ SalusaSecondus » Regional Successors (ie. when a founder idles out it can be inherited)
[12:03am] «@ SalusaSecondus » More anti-cheating code
[12:03am] «@ SalusaSecondus » Randomized Region Order for updates

Indeed, this makes both defending and invading a waste of time. As shunting invaders off to the Warzones for the sake of protecting the players who don't want to be invaded, that's crap. Invading has been in the game for quite some time, and to save them from a game element is ridiculous. It would be much like a person who lives in the US saying that he loves the country, but since he hates the taxation, someone needs to protect him from them (perhaps by creating special "taxation only" regions). I also love how it was done slowly over the last year, as if some of us didn't know that such regions were proposed last year, but no one was interested. Now, when they suddenly want to test out such regions, rules are going into place to complete the phasing out of invasions. How convenient. Doomed to failure, too, since no self-respecting invader would want to play in their little cages.

I really couldn't care less about the forums, they've only been a side-game in regards to why I'm here. The FUA will suffice in light of current circumstances.
I hate region crashers.

its declining due to inertia, despotism, and desertion.

inertia- it takes forever to get on the forums, nothing is being done about it, the issues are less and less interesting/in mass, and the rules are getting tighter and tighter.

despotism- the mods are becoming more and more strict, many people point out any little thing that goes over the LINE, and a continuing growth of mod worshippers and modabees are flooding the forums.

desertion- the old royalty are all but gone, in their place are mass noobs and again- mod worshippers. all the masta spammers are almost gone, and even political threads are becoming scarce.

dont you see... NS will never be the same as it was a year ago, and i for 1 dont like that.

1. Invading is soon to be eliminated, and
2. the forums are growing very irritating to access.

With invading gone, I won't play the game, and the forums aren't worth it. I'm fairly certain that I won't be around by the end of the summer.

Why eliminate invading? War is one of many natural human behaviors simulated here on NS!

I think so...But the server is better than ever, and the mods getting stricter is a good thing. The problems are a lack of good RPs and debates, spam, and the new issues.

I certainly woulnd't say it's declining. I'll admit I may not bethe best authority on this since I don't surf the forums as often as others, but time and time again I have found myself impressed with nations and their RP skills. The game is certainly changing, but I don't see it getting any worse. There have always been newbies, and there will always be newbies. I see no more now than when I started. As I said, I'm not a huge forum surfer, but I look at the threads enough to get a general sense of what's going on. I also think there are still plenty of old, wise nations out there to look up to who've been around since the beginnin and are still still alive and kicking. If I am wrong and people think that NS is getting worse, then do something about it! Start a good RP thread in II, start a good debate in the General thread, find a good region like The Lake Erie Tropical Islands or Lake Ontario Tropical Islands (no this isn't a recruitment binge...) to get involved in!

::Steps down from soap box after unintentionally being on one...::

I think so...But the server is better than ever, and the mods getting stricter is a good thing. The problems are a lack of good RPs and debates, spam, and the new issues.
What's wrong with that? (the server and the mods getting stricter).
Good rps depend on people understanding what they are talking about.
Same with debates.
Spam takes up valuable forum space and should be blocked if possible.
New issues, what problems are there with new issues?

Prollly just the forums. After a while everyone gets tired of it, and slowly removes themselves from it. But not after a stint in the General forums.

Prollly just the forums. After a while everyone gets tired of it, and slowly removes themselves from it. But not after a stint in the General forums.

What's wrong with that? (the server and the mods getting stricter).They are good things.
Good rps depend on people understanding what they are talking about.That's not all there is to it.
Same with debates.That's not all there is to it. Comments like, "And this is why Americans are evil :roll:", even if the poster knows all about the subject at hand, don't in my opinion make for a very good debate.
New issues, what problems are there with new issues?A lack of reasonable options and weird results. Back in November I made two decisions which probably should have cancelled each other out, but I got the bad results from both and STILL have not been able to fix it. Maybe I'm just bad at NS.

What's wrong with that? (the server and the mods getting stricter).They are good things.
Good rps depend on people understanding what they are talking about.That's not all there is to it.
Same with debates.That's not all there is to it. Comments like, "And this is why Americans are evil :roll:", even if the poster knows all about the subject at hand, don't in my opinion make for a very good debate.
New issues, what problems are there with new issues?A lack of reasonable options and weird results. Back in November I made two decisions which probably should have cancelled each other out, but I got the bad results from both and STILL have not been able to fix it. Maybe I'm just bad at NS.
I haven't any of my issues approved yet.
"and this is why americans are evil". How else would you frame that argument. Or what is wrong with the statement that it offends you?

No. In NS we've always had periods of high activity and then periods when everyone leaves. It's seasonal! :D

1. Invading is soon to be eliminated, and
2. the forums are growing very irritating to access.

With invading gone, I won't play the game, and the forums aren't worth it. I'm fairly certain that I won't be around by the end of the summer.

What do you mean 'invading'? I'm sure they would eliminate region crashing that is like the whole game for some people.

Plus the forums are being Jolted.

Yes, invading (I've never liked the term "region crashing," but that's my opinion) is the whole game for many people. This is perfectly fine because it is a part of the whole game, included in the rules and present practically since the beginning. Invading has not been banned, no, but it has been made virtually impossible, as of this announcement regarding pending changes: http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/salusasecondus/SalusaQ&A.log

[12:00am] «@ SalusaSecondus » New Features: YES!
[12:01am] «@ SalusaSecondus » First: What sort of new features?
[12:02am] «@ SalusaSecondus » Ok, this is not an official announcement, and any/all of this is subject to change
[12:02am] «@ SalusaSecondus » LIMITED bbCode in factbook entries
[12:03am] «@ SalusaSecondus » Regional Successors (ie. when a founder idles out it can be inherited)
[12:03am] «@ SalusaSecondus » More anti-cheating code
[12:03am] «@ SalusaSecondus » Randomized Region Order for updates

Indeed, this makes both defending and invading a waste of time. As shunting invaders off to the Warzones for the sake of protecting the players who don't want to be invaded, that's crap. Invading has been in the game for quite some time, and to save them from a game element is ridiculous. It would be much like a person who lives in the US saying that he loves the country, but since he hates the taxation, someone needs to protect him from them (perhaps by creating special "taxation only" regions). I also love how it was done slowly over the last year, as if some of us didn't know that such regions were proposed last year, but no one was interested. Now, when they suddenly want to test out such regions, rules are going into place to complete the phasing out of invasions. How convenient. Doomed to failure, too, since no self-respecting invader would want to play in their little cages.

I really couldn't care less about the forums, they've only been a side-game in regards to why I'm here. The FUA will suffice in light of current circumstances.
I hate region crashers.
Ditto.

I don't care how the compromise is reached, as long as I don't have to deal with some bunch of dicks sneaking their way into my region and me finding myself in the Rejected Realms. Region crashing has only been a a part of the game since someone figured out you could do it, and nobody did anything about it since it was the only thing you could do with NS besides pure RP and issue-answering.

You wanna region crash, do it somewhere it's appreciated and get the hell away from me, thankyou.

NS is declining only because the Gustapo, or i mean Mods, are cracking down on people

NS is declining only because the Gustapo, or i mean Mods, are cracking down on people

that and the server is screwed.

It's been down, but I think it's back on the upward slope now.

hopefully.

1. Invading is soon to be eliminated, and
2. the forums are growing very irritating to access.

With invading gone, I won't play the game, and the forums aren't worth it. I'm fairly certain that I won't be around by the end of the summer.

we are getting a new fourm that will be fast abd reliable! and Max Berry will no longer hae to juggle in the Streets of Melbourne to pay his bandwith bills!

NS is declining only because the Gustapo, or i mean Mods, are cracking down on people

that and the server is screwed.
true that

NS is declining only because the Gustapo, or i mean Mods, are cracking down on people

Every day I get more satisfaction at knowing that I've been saying this from the beginning while everyone told me not to worry and that I was wrong.

I first off think that the actual game, and roleplaying part of the gae is pretty much the same as ever except far more n00bs around. It is mainly the general forum that has disintegrated.

Back, a few months after i was created, when i first stepped into teh forums, around september 2003, general was a mass of thinking. There were relatively origional topics being posted as opposed to the constant topics which are posted today. Back in september, there wasnt always 500 active threads about 'why bush sucks' with people flaming. and there werent all of the 'we hate [insert RL nation here]'. Currently, I look in alot of debates, and all of the points have been stated before...infact, i think i has developed to a mass of comments from strangers who arent considering what the other people are saying and whether they agree or disagree. Back in september, nearly everyone had respect as far as debates go, and there were some new debates happening, and there werent more than a couple of main threads about a certain issue.

Another thing that has contributed to teh fall of nationstates, i believe is the spam spam threads that are going out. Im not talking about the cafe threads or the temple threads , im talking about the spam spam threads. no matter how quickly they get deleted, the common spam threads, with no message. especially teh ones which are mde by the older and experienced players. I am particularly annoyed when people like greater valia for example, except not only GV, start to start these threads. i really used to respect several people who have disintegrated into creating threads like this.

anyway, that is my ramble..hope the spelling isnt too bad... but im just really uncoordinated.

From what I've seen of NS I feel that it is getting along just fine. (There may have been a few minutes since my creation today that I felt queasy, but overall it's been a good experience).

NS is declining only because the Gustapo, or i mean Mods, are cracking down on people

Every day I get more satisfaction at knowing that I've been saying this from the beginning while everyone told me not to worry and that I was wrong.
you have been a nation for 5 days.

there have been many people saying this long before you (unless you are a puppet)

NS is declining only because the Gustapo, or i mean Mods, are cracking down on people

Every day I get more satisfaction at knowing that I've been saying this from the beginning while everyone told me not to worry and that I was wrong.
you have been a nation for 5 days.

there have been many people saying this long before you (unless you are a puppet)

I am indeed a puppet, and a recently ressurected one at that. This nation was originally created in october of last year (if my memory serves) and the puppet master first arrived here in march of the same year.

NS is declining only because the Gustapo, or i mean Mods, are cracking down on people

Every day I get more satisfaction at knowing that I've been saying this from the beginning while everyone told me not to worry and that I was wrong.
you have been a nation for 5 days.

there have been many people saying this long before you (unless you are a puppet)

I've been a nation for less than a day! Are you to doubt my NS wisdom?

I've been a nation for less than a day! Are you to doubt my NS wisdom?

Another victim of resurection? I recognize your name, but nothing more about you...

Well to me teh game is losing the repectful veterans and being invaded by newbs like almost every game out there! these newbs arent new begginers but annoying tinybopers with nothing to do :x
Agreed. Occasionally you get a few good guys but...I'm being stalked by Camnal cod!

Everything tends towards anarchy.

Regarding NS ceasing Region Crashing --

I too have heard reports of this --
If true were there any reasons or specific instances cited as a reason?

During my gameplay in NS I have been both a victim of such crashes (invasions); a defender of natives who were so victimized; and most recently, a participant in one (abeit against two regions whose founder has a NS/DOS order on his head if he or his zombie clones show up).

I am interested in anyone's thoughts on this matter.
I have enjoyed the game, though certainly some game mechanics ARE limiting. Generally, I have found the Moderators exceedingly fair and balanced. Having said that, I have suffered their wrath as well -- no matter how justified it might have been.

I've been a nation for less than a day! Are you to doubt my NS wisdom?

Another victim of resurection? I recognize your name, but nothing more about you...

hehe yep, I tend to stay low...

*slinks away*

Oddly enough, Pax and UBGoML are two nations that have stuck in my mind for quite some time.
I went to question Pax's deletion earlier, but found a thread on it so a quick edit saved me some time, and was about to come to UBGoML's defense when the server crapped out on me.

Nonetheless, you two are considered royalty as far as I am concerned.
(April 2003)

I have played for 10 months now, and I have seen this question posited every month or so. The game and the forums seem to me to be fairly consistant.

It's only dead when this question doesn't get posed anymore 8)

Oddly enough, Pax and UBGoML are two nations that have stuck in my mind for quite some time.
I went to question Pax's deletion earlier, but found a thread on it so a quick edit saved me some time, and was about to come to UBGoML's defense when the server crapped out on me.

Nonetheless, you two are considered royalty as far as I am concerned.
(April 2003)

Thanks, I really appreciate hearing that. :D

Oddly enough, Pax and UBGoML are two nations that have stuck in my mind for quite some time.
I went to question Pax's deletion earlier, but found a thread on it so a quick edit saved me some time, and was about to come to UBGoML's defense when the server crapped out on me.

Nonetheless, you two are considered royalty as far as I am concerned.
(April 2003)

Thanks...and yes, let this serve as a warning to everyone! Accessing the forums (without logging into the game) does not equal activity!

Everything tends towards anarchy.

Everything tends toward disorder, if that's what you mean. Anarchy is an idea which can only be applied in a meaningful way to sentient beings because it implies a lack of ruling, which is a concept foreign to other living systems. However, while everything tends towards disorder through the creation of non-useful waste energy from movement, all ordered systems tend to attempt to preserve themselves for as long as possible. Even systems which might not normally be considered alive will attempt to maintain themselves against outside forces and will occasionally consume other ordered systems (in essense taking the other system's order) to preserve themselves. So in the long run everything tends toward disorder, but in the short term things tend toward order in conflict, thus, authority and war.

Max has been reasonable in the past, but it looks like he's finally gone over the edge and stopped pretending that he understands or enjoys the concept of invasions.

I don't suppose he's intentionally driving away all the legit invaders (while encouraging the actual griefers to hang around), but that's the upshot of just about every change he's made since I've been paying attention. For a while you could chalk it up to trying to protect the innocent in a fairly basic sense, but at this point, it's pretty ridiculous.

Barrier after barrier has been enacted to try to prevent invaders from succeeding, while even simple changes (such as preventing a user from posting 10 times in a row) have not been enacted to deal with real problem users.

I suppose it just boils down to most people not liking invaders and being unable to distinguish invasions from griefing. Eventually Max got caught up in that mindset, and now (whether or not he chooses to admit it to himself and others), he's driving the legit invaders away for good.

Frankly, I'd rather they just redefine invasions in any context as griefing and chase away all the invaders and defenders. Seriously, stop dicking around with the rules and just do what the masses want.

Ban invasions and be done with it.

Stop insulting us, already, and just say out loud what all the mods think -- you'd be a lot happier without invasions, and particularly without intelligent invaders who question the mods' behavior when they get out of line. It'll be much easier to feel good about the guilty-until-proven-innocent plan when all legal invaders have been driven off.

Also it will save bandwidth.

Max once said that he wished more people would do invasions a certain way. Then, every time someone did that, one of his mods terminated the invasion. I guess he changed his mind.

The game and the forums are declining in popularity.

My region, A New Begining...of wich I am currently U.N delegate, but soon stepping down, once had over a hundred nations.

Now...we are down to 41, and losing more every day.

The game seems to have a shelf life of about three months for the casual player...more if you get involved in crasher, or anti-crasher groups, or Roleplaying.

Even our founder has given up control of his nation.

I'm not a crasher, anti-crasher, or major roleplayer, so I guess I am just an outlier.

*stretches and lies down out on a beach*

Is NS declining?

Hell yes.

In the beginning (for me) the issues and NS the game itself were fairly amusing. Over time I grew bored of the game, but by then I had discovered the forum which has kept me entertain since I first joined.

Alas, now... now even the forums hold little pleasure for me. It may be that I've been around for a while (though not as long as some) and i miss all the people I used to talk and RP with, who have since been deleted or just disappeared.

Sad state of affairs these days.

:( hello VP

I don't really play the game, but enjoy the forums.
My only real complaint is about the server - I find it difficult to even log in at times, and usually difficult to post, often resulting in double or even triple posts.
There are continuing rumours about a new "Jolt" server, but I don't know when or if its actually coming.
Hopefully, the situation will improve.

I hate region crashers.

And this matters why? I hate how UN resolutions can adversely affect my UN nation, but since it's a part of the game I deal with it. I'd imagine a number of people dislike one element of this game or another. What's your point?

Well I have gotten a lot of people to start playing but most of them stopped because the issues kept repeating or they got bored with the RP'ing.

Well I have gotten a lot of people to start playing but most of them stopped because the issues kept repeating or they got bored with the RP'ing.

1. Invading is soon to be eliminated, and
2. the forums are growing very irritating to access.

With invading gone, I won't play the game, and the forums aren't worth it. I'm fairly certain that I won't be around by the end of the summer.

Why eliminate invading? War is one of many natural human behaviors simulated here on NS!

Yes, but there are a number of people who believe that roleplaying is the only thing that you can do on NS, and as such don't like the competition. They'd rather keep that warring to a controlled, entirely fictional setting, just like in real life. Sarcasm aside, it's these people who have been pushing for the removal of region crashing from the game for about a year now, and it looks like the mods have finally gotten around to phasing it out quietly.

They're also phasing out the many august nations who played the game in that way. Many of my associates have ceased coming to the site almost entirely, and since defenders are in the same boat, I'd imagine many of them will be doing the same. But hey, think of all the other players who are now "safe" from those nasty invaders...

Double post.

I hate region crashers.
Ditto.

I don't care how the compromise is reached, as long as I don't have to deal with some bunch of dicks sneaking their way into my region and me finding myself in the Rejected Realms. Region crashing has only been a a part of the game since someone figured out you could do it, and nobody did anything about it since it was the only thing you could do with NS besides pure RP and issue-answering.

You wanna region crash, do it somewhere it's appreciated and get the hell away from me, thankyou.

Your example is irrelevant, the rules (which recognize invading, since being sanctioned by Max Barry, and which have been slowly tightened since by the mods) forbid kicking residents into the RR. The nature of this line of discussion is legal invading, so no more strawmen, please.

God forbid you should be subject to another form of gameplay. You paid good money to...no, wait, you paid the same amount I did to play here. Well, what happens here is important...oh, no, it's only a bunch of nations in a game on a webserver. Well, surely since you dislike something, that's a perfectly good reason to alienate a number of players and get rid of it. God forbid you should be inconvenienced. :roll:

EDIT: Beachcomber, your musings on the state of things regarding invasions were quite eloquent and insightful. Thanks for contributing, I agree completely.

I hate region crashers.

And this matters why? I hate how UN resolutions can adversely affect my UN nation, but since it's a part of the game I deal with it. I'd imagine a number of people dislike one element of this game or another. What's your point?Perhaps what he is saying is that since you can opt out of the UN, he should be able to opt out of the invasion thing. I have no problem with legitimate invasions per se, but I do beleive that regions ought to be able to opt out of this player-created game element.

You are not required to RP or to join the UN, so perhaps he should not be required to endure 'invasions.'

I hate region crashers.

And this matters why? I hate how UN resolutions can adversely affect my UN nation, but since it's a part of the game I deal with it. I'd imagine a number of people dislike one element of this game or another. What's your point?Perhaps what he is saying is that since you can opt out of the UN, he should be able to opt out of the invasion thing. I have no problem with legitimate invasions per se, but I do beleive that regions ought to be able to opt out of this player-created game element.

You are not required to RP or to join the UN, so perhaps he should not be required to endure 'invasions.'

There are already many provisions in the game to protect people from invaders. Anyone who doesn't want to be invaded can simply join a founded region (or create one). Holy hell was raised about that at the time, and now that's not good enough?

And, let's face it, how realistic are current measures in regards to world affairs? This just makes the current version of the game that much more of a joke when compared to the real world it allegedly simulates.

"and this is why americans are evil". How else would you frame that argument.It is not an argument. It is responding to an argument with an attack on the people of a nation.
Here is another example of something I do not think is helpful:
"Your a genius :roll:" in response to an argument the poster does not like.

I hate region crashers.
Ditto.

I don't care how the compromise is reached, as long as I don't have to deal with some bunch of dicks sneaking their way into my region and me finding myself in the Rejected Realms. Region crashing has only been a a part of the game since someone figured out you could do it, and nobody did anything about it since it was the only thing you could do with NS besides pure RP and issue-answering.

You wanna region crash, do it somewhere it's appreciated and get the hell away from me, thankyou.

Your example is irrelevant, the rules (which recognize invading, since being sanctioned by Max Barry, and which have been slowly tightened since by the mods) forbid kicking residents into the RR. The nature of this line of discussion is legal invading, so no more strawmen, please.

God forbid you should be subject to another form of gameplay. You paid good money to...no, wait, you paid the same amount I did to play here. Well, what happens here is important...oh, no, it's only a bunch of nations in a game on a webserver. Well, surely since you dislike something, that's a perfectly good reason to alienate a number of players and get rid of it. God forbid you should be inconvenienced. :roll:

EDIT: Beachcomber, your musings on the state of things regarding invasions were quite eloquent and insightful. Thanks for contributing, I agree completely.

Did I say get rid of invading? Anywhere?

I agreed with someone who hates region crashing. I don't want anything to do with it. Just like I don't want Moonshine to be affected by UN decisions - so guess what? Moonshine's not in the UN.

But hey, surely since you like something, that's a perfectly good reason to force everyone else to play along and whine when they disagree! God forbid you should be inconvenienced. :roll:

My opinion: add an option to the region-creation page. If the option is ticked, region-crashing is allowed. If not, then go away and leave it in peace. Seems like a simple enough solution, and you can kick whoever the hell you want out of a crashing-allowed region if you manage to take it.

I hate region crashers.
Ditto.

I don't care how the compromise is reached, as long as I don't have to deal with some bunch of dicks sneaking their way into my region and me finding myself in the Rejected Realms. Region crashing has only been a a part of the game since someone figured out you could do it, and nobody did anything about it since it was the only thing you could do with NS besides pure RP and issue-answering.

You wanna region crash, do it somewhere it's appreciated and get the hell away from me, thankyou.

Your example is irrelevant, the rules (which recognize invading, since being sanctioned by Max Barry, and which have been slowly tightened since by the mods) forbid kicking residents into the RR. The nature of this line of discussion is legal invading, so no more strawmen, please.

God forbid you should be subject to another form of gameplay. You paid good money to...no, wait, you paid the same amount I did to play here. Well, what happens here is important...oh, no, it's only a bunch of nations in a game on a webserver. Well, surely since you dislike something, that's a perfectly good reason to alienate a number of players and get rid of it. God forbid you should be inconvenienced. :roll:

EDIT: Beachcomber, your musings on the state of things regarding invasions were quite eloquent and insightful. Thanks for contributing, I agree completely.

Did I say get rid of invading? Anywhere?

I agreed with someone who hates region crashing. I don't want anything to do with it. Just like I don't want Moonshine to be affected by UN decisions - so guess what? Moonshine's not in the UN.

But hey, surely since you like something, that's a perfectly good reason to force everyone else to play along and whine when they disagree! God forbid you should be inconvenienced. :roll:

My opinion: add an option to the region-creation page. If the option is ticked, region-crashing is allowed. If not, then go away and leave it in peace. Seems like a simple enough solution, and you can kick whoever the hell you want out of a crashing-allowed region if you manage to take it.

The world does not play with us as we'd like, and this is a nation simulation game. And I think I ought to stress that last word again: game. There is really nothing at stake here justifying getting upset whwen someone dares to rustle the feathers of your region - and what are you complaining about if you're not being booted from a region? Legitimate invaders do not grief, so if the discussion pertains to legitimate invaders, there is pretty much no inconvenience.

I have no problem with you not liking invading - that's entirely your business. However, saying that invaders ought to be shuffled off to some little playpen region is tantamount to calling for our removal from the game. People can already bar their region from invasions, how are the measures in place not sufficient? Is it because you need to actually put effort towards keeping your borders secure? NO, such things never happen to real nations or regions.

As far as the UN, to invade, one must be subject to the UN. Do you think I like how some of those resolutions affect my then-UN nation, considering a nation in my position could easily ignore the UN, as real nations do? No, and I accept it because it is a part of invasion, which is a part of the game, which deals us cards at times that we don't want.

As I see it, the moderators are sanitizing the game so that everyone can have the happy bliss of roleplaying however they'd like, and where the greatest complaint is that someone isn't roleplaying as one would like. Does that sound like real conflict to you? People were calling for a way to engage in warfare, and they go it. "Oh, but it's too unsettling and I don't want it to bother me!"

I do hope the mods are prepared to see a decent drop in nations, with the loss of not only invaders, but also soon-to-be-bored defenders. Some of those have turned invader already, knowing the end is near. We've been fighting it for much, much longer then that, though.

I hate region crashers.
Ditto.

I don't care how the compromise is reached, as long as I don't have to deal with some bunch of dicks sneaking their way into my region and me finding myself in the Rejected Realms. Region crashing has only been a a part of the game since someone figured out you could do it, and nobody did anything about it since it was the only thing you could do with NS besides pure RP and issue-answering.

You wanna region crash, do it somewhere it's appreciated and get the hell away from me, thankyou.

Your example is irrelevant, the rules (which recognize invading, since being sanctioned by Max Barry, and which have been slowly tightened since by the mods) forbid kicking residents into the RR. The nature of this line of discussion is legal invading, so no more strawmen, please.

God forbid you should be subject to another form of gameplay. You paid good money to...no, wait, you paid the same amount I did to play here. Well, what happens here is important...oh, no, it's only a bunch of nations in a game on a webserver. Well, surely since you dislike something, that's a perfectly good reason to alienate a number of players and get rid of it. God forbid you should be inconvenienced. :roll:

EDIT: Beachcomber, your musings on the state of things regarding invasions were quite eloquent and insightful. Thanks for contributing, I agree completely.

Did I say get rid of invading? Anywhere?

I agreed with someone who hates region crashing. I don't want anything to do with it. Just like I don't want Moonshine to be affected by UN decisions - so guess what? Moonshine's not in the UN.

But hey, surely since you like something, that's a perfectly good reason to force everyone else to play along and whine when they disagree! God forbid you should be inconvenienced. :roll:

My opinion: add an option to the region-creation page. If the option is ticked, region-crashing is allowed. If not, then go away and leave it in peace. Seems like a simple enough solution, and you can kick whoever the hell you want out of a crashing-allowed region if you manage to take it.

The world does not play with us as we'd like, and this is a nation simulation game. And I think I ought to stress that last word again: game. There is really nothing at stake here justifying getting upset whwen someone dares to rustle the feathers of your region - and what are you complaining about if you're not being booted from a region? Legitimate invaders do not grief, so if the discussion pertains to legitimate invaders, there is pretty much no inconvenience.

I have no problem with you not liking invading - that's entirely your business. However, saying that invaders ought to be shuffled off to some little playpen region is tantamount to calling for our removal from the game. People can already bar their region from invasions, how are the measures in place not sufficient? Is it because you need to actually put effort towards keeping your borders secure? NO, such things never happen to real nations or regions.

As far as the UN, to invade, one must be subject to the UN. Do you think I like how some of those resolutions affect my then-UN nation, considering a nation in my position could easily ignore the UN, as real nations do? No, and I accept it because it is a part of invasion, which is a part of the game, which deals us cards at times that we don't want.

As I see it, the moderators are sanitizing the game so that everyone can have the happy bliss of roleplaying however they'd like, and where the greatest complaint is that someone isn't roleplaying as one would like. Does that sound like real conflict to you? People were calling for a way to engage in warfare, and they go it. "Oh, but it's too unsettling and I don't want it to bother me!"

I do hope the mods are prepared to see a decent drop in nations, with the loss of not only invaders, but also soon-to-be-bored defenders. Some of those have turned invader already, knowing the end is near. We've been fighting it for much, much longer then that, though.

You're right, the world doesn't always act as you'd want. Guess what? This is a game.

You don't need to be in the UN to be subject to invading.

"Keeping your borders secure" - what the hell? Invading was never a part of the game until someone figured out you could do it. It ended up being allowed because the only other things you could do were pure RP and issues.

I suggest you look up the game Starfleet Command and a tactic a friend of mine invented: Mine boats. Mine boats are the cheesiest way of defeating anyone in that game, ever. You load your ship up with as many anti-matter mines as it will allow, grab someone with your tractor-beam, and tow them along while you drop mines into their path. The game programmers didn't see that tactic coming, and thus didn't program any real defense for it. All you can do is set your tractor beam to repel mode and hope it charges up to a level higher than the person trying to mine you before more than three or four mines hit and your ship gets blown to pieces.

He now no longer makes mine boats, because of the amount of players who don't like it. People who use that tactic are now routinely ignored. See, that's the difference between a game and the real world: people play games because they like them, not because they have to.

Now considering the dirty tactics used by some of the region crashers here (using social engineering to get passwords, posing as friendly nations etc), I have to deal with invaders. I don't want to. I can't ignore them. Invaders are this game's version of mine boats, only I can run away from a mine boat.

So what's wrong with allowing or disallowing crashing from certain regions? If I don't want to be booted out or have the message board flooded with idiots demanding I pledge allegience to them, I just don't join a region that allows crashing. I reckon that would decimate the workload for mods who have better things to do than sort out petty disputes over the finer points of crashing rules, and would allow you the ability to do what you want to who you want however you want, within the regions that allow it.

Is there a :shock: game? :shock:

Oh, NS isn't declining at all. I've been here for a good while and see absolutely no reason to leave or even consider leaving. NS changes and, as CE said, it has its ups and downs.

Yes, but there are a number of people who believe that roleplaying is the only thing that you can do on NS, and as such don't like the competition. They'd rather keep that warring to a controlled, entirely fictional setting, just like in real life. Sarcasm aside, it's these people who have been pushing for the removal of region crashing from the game for about a year now, and it looks like the mods have finally gotten around to phasing it out quietly.

They're also phasing out the many august nations who played the game in that way. Many of my associates have ceased coming to the site almost entirely, and since defenders are in the same boat, I'd imagine many of them will be doing the same. But hey, think of all the other players who are now "safe" from those nasty invaders...

Ah, region crashing. I sincerely hope they never outlaw crashing. I started being active in NS through defending, and spent a good many months participating in and building up defense organizations. I no longer to that to the same extent, but it was great fun. Defending is what got me active in NS; and there is no defending without invading.

On the other hand, I can totally see Moonshine's (sounds odd to call ya that ;)) side of it. I have a nation in my home state, and ever since our founder died, it's been one effing invasion after another. I hate the disruption over there, it ruined our region completely and chased off my old friends who left and/or died from inactivity.

But, still, conflict is what makes the game fun. Random update times are going to suck, but understand that it will make defending every bit as much harder as invading will be. The dynamic will change, but I do not think it will be destroyed. As long as huge organizations like the ADN dominate the world, there will be enough groups springing up in opposition to it to keep the practice of invading alive forever. I sincerely hope invading does not stop, Anbar.

Edit: way to use an 800th post!! :D

You're right, the world doesn't always act as you'd want. Guess what? This is a game.

Are you trying to refute something or make a point here? I mean, usually when someone restates the points of the person they're arguing with, one thinks that they're then going to go somewhere.

You don't need to be in the UN to be subject to invading.

Of course you don't, you merely need to be playing the game - of which invading is a part. Check the FAQ.

"Keeping your borders secure" - what the hell? Invading was never a part of the game until someone figured out you could do it. It ended up being allowed because the only other things you could do were pure RP and issues.

...and once someone figured out you could do it, it became a part of the game. Do you have a point in continuing to bring this up, or is it merely to assert why you think that invading is somehow not an integrated part of the game, despite over a year of evidence to the contrary?

Oh, and unless you're Max Barry, I don't think you have any credibility in that last sentence in the selection above. Speculate all you want on why he made it a part of the game, it remains nothing more than speculation by a less-than-knowledgeable-or-objective party.

[...blah blah Starfleet blah...]Now considering the dirty tactics used by some of the region crashers here (using social engineering to get passwords, posing as friendly nations etc), I have to deal with invaders. I don't want to. I can't ignore them. Invaders are this game's version of mine boats, only I can run away from a mine boat.

Oh, you mean like how countries in the real world mislead and use each other in Machiavellian ways in the real world, as they have every day since before recorded history. Certainly such behavior has no place in a game which purports to simulate real world politics!

So what's wrong with allowing or disallowing crashing from certain regions?

You already have that, go found a region if you want your happy la-la land.

If I don't want to be booted out or have the message board flooded with idiots demanding I pledge allegience to them, I just don't join a region that allows crashing.

Gee, these are all instances of griefing...have you even been reading my responses? I wonder if I'm only wasting my time, at this point.

I reckon that would decimate the workload for mods who have better things to do than sort out petty disputes over the finer points of crashing rules, and would allow you the ability to do what you want to who you want however you want, within the regions that allow it.

The mods' place is to eliminate griefers. You seem to find it convenient to lump all invaders in with griefers simply because you do not like invaders. I'm sure that the mods could make their jobs a lot easier by cutting out parts of the game. Maybe the forums should go next - they seem to be no end of trouble. As for the mods and what they're doing, I'm well aware that most are RPers and some are even in defender alliances. It is, indeed, easier for them to make yet another game change with these results.

Let's see, why wouldn't invaders be happy with a regional version of "Forum 7?" That's something to ponder for all of 3 seconds...

But, still, conflict is what makes the game fun. Random update times are going to suck, but understand that it will make defending every bit as much harder as invading will be. The dynamic will change, but I do not think it will be destroyed. As long as huge organizations like the ADN dominate the world, there will be enough groups springing up in opposition to it to keep the practice of invading alive forever. I sincerely hope invading does not stop, Anbar.

Random update times are the end of invading, unfortunately. You cannot pull off any kind of strategic maneuver knowing that there is a 24 hour window in which you can be booted. Even a large group only takes a matter of minutes to remove from a region. Oh sure, invading won't immediately stop - some people will try to raise large n00b armies of invaders, which will be far more annoying than the invaders in the past who actually had to be smart (karma, anyone?). They'll quickly find that such a force still can't take a region with even a semi-active player in control, so they'll move to the sandbox, where they'll die of boredom.

It's all pretty bleak, and I know me and mine are out of patience for it. Continue hoping, if you like, but they've slowly tightened with noose under the guise of "protecting" players ruling-by-ruling, and now the floor's about to drop. It's nice to see someone from a defender background actually respect their opposition and give some credit, but we're pretty much all out of the game by now (save for those of us who still want to answer issues all day). The ADN even sees it - just look at Ireland.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150759

NS is dying

You cannot pull off any kind of strategic maneuver knowing that there is a 24 hour window in which you can be booted. Ah - perhaps we're understanding the concept of 'random update times' differently. I see it this way: right now, regions have a specific update time, from 3 to 6 AM CST (apprx) - eg, The Pacific is at 3:20, The South Pacific at 3:49, etc. I understood the changes as, random update times within that period of 3 to 6 - so the Pacific wouldn't update at 3:20 every time, but it wouldn't do it any earlier than 3 or later than 6, so that's not a 24 hour period of guessing..... I could be completely wrong. The way Salusa phrased it was vague, and that's the only place I've ever heard it.

It's all pretty bleak, and I know me and mine are out of patience for it. Continue hoping, if you like, but they've slowly tightened with noose under the guise of "protecting" players ruling-by-ruling, and now the floor's about to drop. It's nice to see someone from a defender background actually respect their opposition and give some credit, but we're pretty much all out of the game by now (save for those of us who still want to answer issues all day). The ADN even sees it - just look at Ireland. Well, that's true, to some extent. They talked about new invasion rules but they were never implemented. And yet, invasions DO still go on, I noticed one just yesterday. As long as a group of people get together and think 'hey, let's take over this world', you'll have invasions. Whether legal ones or not, whether accepted or not, is in question.


NS is dying Oh, and you would know this from the all of one month you've been playing it?

Yes, the forums are declining.

. Then they banned word games, which I do not agree with, ...

I could get to like you 8)

You cannot pull off any kind of strategic maneuver knowing that there is a 24 hour window in which you can be booted. Ah - perhaps we're understanding the concept of 'random update times' differently. I see it this way: right now, regions have a specific update time, from 3 to 6 AM CST (apprx) - eg, The Pacific is at 3:20, The South Pacific at 3:49, etc. I understood the changes as, random update times within that period of 3 to 6 - so the Pacific wouldn't update at 3:20 every time, but it wouldn't do it any earlier than 3 or later than 6, so that's not a 24 hour period of guessing..... I could be completely wrong. The way Salusa phrased it was vague, and that's the only place I've ever heard it.

By that reading, they're pretty much random now, but I suppose that interpretation could be possible. Maybe there'll be a clarification.

It's all pretty bleak, and I know me and mine are out of patience for it. Continue hoping, if you like, but they've slowly tightened with noose under the guise of "protecting" players ruling-by-ruling, and now the floor's about to drop. It's nice to see someone from a defender background actually respect their opposition and give some credit, but we're pretty much all out of the game by now (save for those of us who still want to answer issues all day). The ADN even sees it - just look at Ireland. Well, that's true, to some extent. They talked about new invasion rules but they were never implemented. And yet, invasions DO still go on, I noticed one just yesterday. As long as a group of people get together and think 'hey, let's take over this world', you'll have invasions. Whether legal ones or not, whether accepted or not, is in question.

Oh yeah, there'll always be people trying to take over someone, somewhere. But, invading by groups acting legally as we have known it, if my reading of the announcement is right, is pretty much going to end. I'm actually not sure if this stuff has even gone into effect yet, so invasions may indeed still be occuring, but it may only be a matter of time, then. Some form of invading will likely continue, sure, but I can't conceive of any form in which I'd want to partake.

JUst to get back to the thread :roll:

IS N-S DECLINING?

No- Not at all.......................................29% [ 30 ]
Yes-But only the actual game................11% [ 12 ]
Yes-But only the forums........................20% [ 21 ]
Yes-Both the forums and the Game.........38% [ 39 ]

Total Votes : 102


any thoughts?

Hand me that shovel

*begins tossing dirt on the NS coffin*

ah yeah... how many times i have seen this sort of thread.

back in my day... ahh... nevermind.

yes, NS is declining. it is steadily declining every day since it started.

but i think its relative. when i joined, i loved it, i was addicted. now that i've been here almost a whole year, i've come to see that in fact, its redundant and silly. thus, in my mind, it has declined.

the forum hasnt changed though, we have... but to me, its gotten worse, because my interest has been lost for the most part.
does that make sense?

Hand me that shovel

*begins tossing dirt on the NS coffin*

haha, you are rediculous... you've been here one day.
i can't tell if you're out of your mind or hillarious... maybe both... wait, are you someones puppet?

haha, you are rediculous... you've been here one day.
i can't tell if you're out of your mind or hillarious... maybe both... wait, are you someones puppet?

Give that girl a cookie :D

It's been dead. And the delayed moved to Jolt is speeding up its destruction. Habit is what keeps me playing.

It's been dead. And the delayed moved to Jolt is speeding up its destruction. Habit is what keeps me playing.

:shock: Oh a NUN :shock:

haha, you are rediculous... you've been here one day.
i can't tell if you're out of your mind or hillarious... maybe both... wait, are you someones puppet?

Give that girl a cookie :D

i love cookies! do you have any thin mints- the girl scout cookies? those are the best.
anyway, who are you? are you really someones puppet?

aye, declining it is. word games gone, clubs and such said to be next, all the old folk leaving and all the new folk coming in.
darn shame it is.

i love cookies! do you have any thin mints- the girl scout cookies? those are the best.
anyway, who are you? are you really someones puppet?

My nation was deleted so I have several puppets

How about an Oreo, I keep those for Luna, but she is rarely on so they should be eaten.

I have been here for a year and four months, and have resided in one region for a year, and it never gets boring. You just need to expand your horizons. See the world. See the world's forums. There are so many facets to RP or regional politics alone, it can consume hours of each day.

While I'm disappointed in the randomized updates, as long as Delegates forget to stay up with coffee every night of their lives, invasions will go on. Invader/defender play isn't all about sudden moves in the middle of the night, after all...it's about building and maintaining a region that can support your army, organizing and keeping track of your army, keeping the members of your army pleased, knowing your own weaknesses...I have found that invader/defender regions have become a simulation of nations and governments to a degree of realism that goes beyond Max's issues.

Then again, maybe that was the plan all along.

aye, declining it is. word games gone, clubs and such said to be next, all the old folk leaving and all the new folk coming in.
darn shame it is.

the spam is gone, you mean. word games and chat threads killed the server. maybe they'll be reimplemented after the move to jolt since we'll have a better server.

the spam is gone, you mean. word games and chat threads killed the server. maybe they'll be reimplemented after the move to jolt since we'll have a better server.

No. It did NOTHING to help the server

i love cookies! do you have any thin mints- the girl scout cookies? those are the best.
anyway, who are you? are you really someones puppet?

My nation was deleted so I have several puppets

How about an Oreo, I keep those for Luna, but she is rarely on so they should be eaten.

i'll take an oreo any day!
who was your old nation? or will mods deet you on sight if you say?

:shock: No I'm not deat on sight, I've been IP scanned several times this evening.

Did it hurt?

NS is evolving, out with the old and in with new. :)

NS is evolving, out with the old and in with new. :)

out with the fun and in with the censorship.

NS is evolving, out with the old and in with new. :)

out with the fun and in with the censorship.

Good to see I'm not the only one

NS is evolving, out with the old and in with new. :)

out with the fun and in with the censorship.

I dont see that happening....

I dont see that happening....

That's because you head is stuck in the sand

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Ba bye

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who was this mr good nipples and what did he do to piss of the mods?

I Must say that the mods have become increasingly difficult to deal with in the past few weeks :evil:

perhaps a little modification of a famed quote will hell us...

"Posters of all nations, UNITE!"

(dont u love marx? :D )

In those particular posts up there ^ he was spamming various links which I didn't feel like imperiling my system to click on.

In other places he was trolling and spamming.

Let's all blame the mods for enforcing the rules against obnoxious users :roll:

In those particular posts up there ^ he was spamming various links which I didn't feel like imperiling my system to click on.

In other places he was trolling and spamming.

Let's all blame the mods for enforcing the rules against obnoxious users :roll:

It has been a messy couple days, weeks?, with anti-mod feeling going around and i assumed that this was a reaction by the mods to nipples saying something anti-mod. the instances of summary puneshment have been increasing recently. Any reason for that?

and when are we getting jolted?

...he was spamming various links ... In other places he was trolling and spamming. Let's all blame the mods for enforcing the rules against obnoxious users :roll:

It has been a messy couple days, weeks?, with anti-mod feeling going around and i assumed that this was a reaction by the mods to nipples saying something anti-mod. the instances of summary puneshment have been increasing recently. Any reason for that?

and when are we getting jolted?

Indeed. We, too assumed this was another case of censorship by the mods of any public criticism of themselves. If it was, in fact, spamming (ads, things totally unrelated to the discussion topics, etc) or trolling (intentionally provoking other users in a clearly rude and offensive manner - NOT merely criticizing or debating other users or mods for their statements or actions) then it's fine. That's what mods exist for - to make the game possible by deleting stuff that impedes gameplay. They do not exist to prevent discussion or criticism of the game, themselves, or political opinions they dislike. Which is what they have been doing:

Ejected from the UN? Here's REALLY why.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150591&highlight=

Check out the silencing of criticism of mods.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150759&highlight=

Only mods get bias?
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150755&highlight=

We too think Myrth should resign.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150744&highlight=

Cordially,
Richard Held
Secretary of Homeland Counter-Insurgency
The United States of America the American
Mighty Capitalist Superpower™

i assumed that this was a reaction by the mods to nipples saying something anti-mod. the instances of summary puneshment have been increasing recently. Any reason for that? Nipples was definitely spamming links up there. I saw them before he got deleted, and I could probably dig through my temp files and make a screenshot if I cared enough to make the point. Most likely it was in response to the treatment of his spam that Nipples then made some obnoxious anti-mod threads in General and didn't quit until he got himself deleted.

and when are we getting jolted? Soon... very soon... though they've been saying that for a month now.

Its declining. I have been away for about a year and very few people I remember are still. But than again some people seem to be still around(Spoffin now has 10 THOUSAND posts!)

I've been playing for well over a year. never went on the forum to much, more of an in game person, till my main nation got shot out of the sky. That's old history, you cant bring a man sent to the electrica chair back to life, no matter if he was guilty or innoncent. NOw, i can deffiantly say, the NS greats are moving on. Such leaders that lead there people oto the constand battles of LUE, amazing stradegies blindsingeing entire regions. There is hardly any of that nemore. All of the reall bad @ss's r gone, and its a realy shame. Miss those days of stragedy, the take voers of empires of regions. Something changed NS, and it wasn't the players....
PS. Neone menches my typing ability, be forwarned. Its just bein a jerk.

Its declining. I have been away for about a year and very few people I remember are still. But than again some people seem to be still around(Spoffin now has 10 THOUSAND posts!)

who are u the re-encarnate of?

Dead and buried :evil: