NationStates Jolt Archive


Yet another conservative essay criticizing liberals

UTLPNA
30-05-2004, 16:24
this is interesting. the following excerpt is from a long essay i found in ejectejecteject.com i'll write my thoughts on this rhetoric later, but i want you ppl to take a look at it first.

excert from STRENGTH (part 1):
If you genuinely, honestly believe you can compare George Bush to Adolph Hitler, it is only because you are so removed from exposure to the genuine horrors of the Nazi regime – routine street beatings, confiscation and destruction of businesses, homes and property, then deportation and extermination of millions of your own countrymen -- that you are functionally incapable of the most basic and fundamental level of discrimination. If you can compare Abu Ghraib to a Nazi death camp with a straight face then you have never been to Abu Ghraib, or a Nazi death camp, or either – that is patently obvious, and it would be comically so if the stakes were not so monumentally high. Having never been exposed to genuine evil, you have literally no conception whatsoever of what it looks and smells and tastes like.

(Immigrant Americans from Poland or Russia or Cuba, or Iraq, for that manner, exhibit virtually none of this madness. They know what a real secret police presence feels like.)

Let me clarify this if I may. Senator Kennedy claims Abu Ghraib is simply Saddam Hussein’s torture chambers “under new management – U.S. management.” Taking him at his word – a somewhat iffy proposition right out of the gate – he apparently cannot see the difference between the humiliation and bullying of enemy combatants, which is shameful, disgusting and reprehensible, and the gleeful, mocking murder, torture and gang rape of over 300,000 innocent men, women and children -- which is something worse. So Senator, here is a helpful analogy which you may find useful: The difference is about the same as pulling over and leaving a young female secretary on the curb in the rain, which is shameful, disgusting and reprehensible, vs. leaving her trapped in the car at the bottom of a river while you look at the bubbles and ponder the political repercussions.

Which is something worse, Senator.

Americans living today have never known torture or oppression or state-sponsored murder, and so it becomes nothing more than a rhetorical concept for most of us. People who defend Saddam and Kim and Castro have no idea at all about what that life entails. None. And so, in their safe and antiseptic little worlds of coffee shops and chat rooms, it all reduces to rhetoric. And since, in the end, it’s nothing but words anyway, they feel they can win an argument because their rhetoric goes up to eleven.

Bushitler.

In extreme cases – sadly rising in frequency -- these people not only hate America. They hate everything. They see nothing in American history beyond slavery and the Indian Wars. They often claim to live, or would prefer to live, in more refined, decent and civilized nations, like Canada and Britain and New Zealand: as if white, English-speaking Canadians grew out of the ground like corn on an empty, Indian- and Eskimo-free horizon, or the thousand years of English conquest over India, China, Africa, Ireland, Scotland and Wales was in a parallel universe, or that the warlike Maoris invaded and took over the North and South Islands from the peaceful, indigenous white settlers. As if France were not the most blood-soaked patch of land on the surface of the earth, as if Russia’s leaders never so much raised a hand against its own suffering people, as if Scandinavia was not the epicenter of centuries of rape, pillage, murder and misery, as if the Aztecs said gracias in Castilian Spanish as they cut the living hearts out of their prisoners. As if the Spanish themselves had never known the Inquisition, Italy no Papal Wars or Duces or Ethiopias, as if Belgium had no Leopold and Leopold no Congo, as if Germany…well.

As if African slaves were only held by whites and Christians, as if Japan has practiced nothing but calligraphy and origami for a millennia, as if South America was a spotless white linen of freedom of expression and individual rights, as if China was a champion of democracy and the common man, as if Indians never spat on anyone, as if, as if…as if the entire bloody history of conquest and war and displacement were the unique domain of America alone, or, equally absurd, that we deserve to die for not being born perfect and without sin – as they, in their own self-obsessed, one-person Universes expect everyone else to be.

And so they trot out every single example of human atrocity as if they were Atticus Finch sweating under the heat in that courtroom in their mind; these snipers and critics and ‘activists’ who have no plans of their own, no solutions, no answers to these dirty and difficult and eternal issues, and so sit in the warm cocoon of perfection afforded the man who attempts nothing. And while better men and women – better men and women by every measure – struggle and fight and bleed to make the world a better and safer place, they grow more and more disconnected from the essential ugliness and brutality that is half – and only half – of this flawed and broken and hopeful and noble human existence.

And because we are all born with this legion of devils inside every heart, more than anything else in the world they hate themselves. Carrying all the guilt of the world on their stooped and broken spirits, their eyes cast so far down that they can see nothing of nobility or progress or redemption of any kind, these people are broken. They are miserable, bitter, cynical husks. And we all know what misery craves.

See them for what they are: nothing more than the Comic Book Guy on the Simpsons: Worst. Country. Ever.

They are useless people. They have heeded the last and final boarding call and pushed back from the gate of reality. They have left the building.

Don’t argue with them, don’t engage them. They want to make this about rhetoric and sophistry, which they fetishize, and not about the simple difference between right and wrong, which is a world where they cast no reflection.
Fluffywuffy
30-05-2004, 16:28
*cough*Political propaganda is used by both sides*cough*
UTLPNA
31-05-2004, 04:44
*cough*Political propaganda is used by both sides*cough*

perhaps, but the difference is that one side is based on facts and truth, where as the other is based on lies and hatred.
GNU-Linux
31-05-2004, 04:48
Meh. I'm pretty liberal and don't think Bush is as bad as Hitler. Hopefully this makes my reading of the whole essay unnecessary.
Socalist Peoples
31-05-2004, 04:49
*cough*Political propaganda is used by both sides*cough*

I was going to say the same thing...

but looking at the thread title "Yet another conservative essay criticizing liberals" I thought - Is there any other kind?

and I relized that the Bush era was creating a deluge of rhetoric for and against political figures but relitivly little on the major issues so this exerpt was not even worth a mention...no new material...tho I agree with the first sentence...but it was put too harshly for my taste
Monkeypimp
31-05-2004, 04:54
Reminds me of all the right wingers who call anyone left of centre a commie...
Jello Biafra
31-05-2004, 10:18
I've never heard anyone compare Bush to Hitler. What I have heard is that bush was pushing for "regime change" in Iraq...which was the same rhetoric that Hitler used. But anyone who takes that comparison of rhetoric and assumes it's a comparison of the two men is overreacting.
BackwoodsSquatches
31-05-2004, 10:20
*cough*Political propaganda is used by both sides*cough*

perhaps, but the difference is that one side is based on facts and truth, where as the other is based on lies and hatred.

exactly....

The right lies more than anyone......
New Auburnland
31-05-2004, 10:20
I don't have time to read all of this.

This essay will probably tell me nothing new anyways.

I think I am about to go hit some golf balls in the rain the house with the Kerry sign out front :twisted:
Rexandal
31-05-2004, 10:21
The right is always so angry. It is depressing.
What have we done to earn their hatred? Be rational?
Stephistan
31-05-2004, 10:25
"Yet another conservative essay criticizing liberals"

Ah, and yet we never tire of it.. amazing huh.. :twisted:
Rexandale
31-05-2004, 10:26
"Yet another conservative essay criticizing liberals"

Ah, and yet we never tire of it.. amazing huh.. :twisted:

We like the challenge I suppose.
The Pyrenees
31-05-2004, 10:27
Haha. I like his logic- tu quoque. However, he is pretending that the British Empire still DOES go round invading, etc. These were all historical actions. If they were happening now, then 'liberals' would be pissed off with them. But they're not. American shizzle IS.

Also- Scandinavia an 'epicentre for rape'? What on earth is he talking about? Vikings?

Of course what America is doing isn't as bad as what Saddam did. But then America was supposed to be stopping it. It's like saying 'Iraq was living under an undemocratic leader who tortured his citizens. But we (the Americans) freed you! Now you're living under an undemocratic American leader who tortures his citizens. But not as much. Rejoice in Liberty!'
Nova Hope
31-05-2004, 10:31
lol no swing voters here huh? Both sides seem fairly entrentched and uncompromising, but who am I eh?
Greater Valia
31-05-2004, 10:35
this is really that surprising..... because isnt the main goal of politics to discredit you oponent?
Lutton
31-05-2004, 11:18
*cough*Political propaganda is used by both sides*cough*

perhaps, but the difference is that one side is based on facts and truth, where as the other is based on lies and hatred.

that's the funniest thing I've read for ages! :D :D