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What I'd like to do here is offer advice to those who are younger than myself, and get advice from those who are older than I.
Many times Ive thought "If I knew then...what I know now, I'd do things differently."

Well...

For those of you who are still in school.....

Study.
Study really hard...

If you dont....you'll end up pumping gas for a living.
Or washing dishes in some dirty restaruant.

No kidding.

Those are going to be your choices in life, if you have no marketable skills.

Even if you hate school.....do it anyway.....the alternative is winding up in a crappy job you REALLY hate.

Having kids..or getting married before your mid twenties is stupid.

I know many people who have done just this....
All BUT ONE COUPLE are divorced, and miserable.

Whos next?

Well....Middle School is 2 years of hell, but you gotta go through it. Like jail time.
(How can you break racism to 6th graders and below? :wink: )

Well....Middle School is 2 years of hell, but you gotta go through it. Like jail time.
(How can you break racism to 6th graders and below? :wink: )

You there...

Young man.

You planning on going to college?

Well....Middle School is 2 years of hell, but you gotta go through it. Like jail time.
(How can you break racism to 6th graders and below? :wink: )

You there...

Young man.

You planning on going to college?

yep, 4 yr type...possibly grad school. Undecided on that.

Well....Middle School is 2 years of hell, but you gotta go through it. Like jail time.
(How can you break racism to 6th graders and below? :wink: )

You there...

Young man.

You planning on going to college?

yep, 4 yr type...possibly grad school. Undecided on that.

Excellent.

Decided on what your going to do?

Don't listen to siblings who just try to demoralise you.

Well....Middle School is 2 years of hell, but you gotta go through it. Like jail time.
(How can you break racism to 6th graders and below? :wink: )

You there...

Young man.

You planning on going to college?

yep, 4 yr type...possibly grad school. Undecided on that.

Excellent.

Decided on what your going to do?

not 100% ultra-super decided.

Although I am considering the Air Force Academy...
if not, I've always like the picture of myself being a doctor of some specialty. Or a lawyer....

Or a....dare I say...politician? *shudders*

Don't listen to siblings who just try to demoralise you.

Dont listen to ANYONE who tries to demoralize you.

Don't waste time going to uni for 4 years. Sure it'll be a laugh, but you'll leave in dept and NOT be sure of getting a highly paid job.

Its a much better bet to become an apprentice for someone and learn a trade. It'll pay off in the long run, no depts, and good money!

Trix's Personal Opinion

Take every opportunity to have sex (WITH PEOPLE YOUR OWN AGE!) presented to you, this isn't good advice, but later in life you'll regret not having the sex, so go ahead.

Hey kids, you can get away with far more then you think. The "permenent record" is utter bollocks.

Chris Rock... :roll:

Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you die! :)

Well....Middle School is 2 years of hell, but you gotta go through it. Like jail time.
(How can you break racism to 6th graders and below? :wink: )

You there...

Young man.

You planning on going to college?

yep, 4 yr type...possibly grad school. Undecided on that.

Excellent.

Decided on what your going to do?

not 100% ultra-super decided.

Although I am considering the Air Force Academy...
if not, I've always like the picture of myself being a doctor of some specialty. Or a lawyer....

Or a....dare I say...politician? *shudders*

Good.

Your a bright kid....
Go for it.

Don't waste time going to uni for 4 years. Sure it'll be a laugh, but you'll leave in dept and NOT be sure of getting a highly paid job.

Its a much better bet to become an apprentice for someone and learn a trade. It'll pay off in the long run, no depts, and good money!

Trix's Personal Opinion
It's 4 years man...at least I'll have 4 more years of an education, no?

Don't waste time going to uni for 4 years. Sure it'll be a laugh, but you'll leave in dept and NOT be sure of getting a highly paid job.

Its a much better bet to become an apprentice for someone and learn a trade. It'll pay off in the long run, no depts, and good money!

Trix's Personal Opinion


dont listen to this guy.

Go.

Even if your not sure of what you want to become...
even if your not sure how you'll pay for it.

Life will be better if you do.

Don't waste time going to uni for 4 years. Sure it'll be a laugh, but you'll leave in dept and NOT be sure of getting a highly paid job.

Its a much better bet to become an apprentice for someone and learn a trade. It'll pay off in the long run, no depts, and good money!

Trix's Personal Opinion
It's 4 years man...at least I'll have 4 more years of an education, no?

Not really true, i'll be learning a trade for 4 years, AND and 4 years worth of fulltime wages, plus a day-a-week at college....

Don't waste time going to uni for 4 years. Sure it'll be a laugh, but you'll leave in dept and NOT be sure of getting a highly paid job.

Its a much better bet to become an apprentice for someone and learn a trade. It'll pay off in the long run, no depts, and good money!

Trix's Personal Opinion


dont listen to this guy.

Go.

Even if your not sure of what you want to become...
even if your not sure how you'll pay for it.

Life will be better if you do.

No it woun't, it can be just as good without uni. I know alot of successful people and NONE of them went to uni, all did apprenticships of sorts.

Don't waste time going to uni for 4 years. Sure it'll be a laugh, but you'll leave in dept and NOT be sure of getting a highly paid job.

Its a much better bet to become an apprentice for someone and learn a trade. It'll pay off in the long run, no depts, and good money!

Trix's Personal Opinion
It's 4 years man...at least I'll have 4 more years of an education, no?

Not really true, i'll be learning a trade for 4 years, AND and 4 years worth of fulltime wages, plus a day-a-week at college....

What trade are you apprenticing to?

What trade are you apprenticing to?

Well exactly it to become a sparks (electrician) but i'll be learning how to plumb, fit furniture and tile etc.....

It is with a company that fits bathroom, bedrooms, kitchens and studies etc..

What trade are you apprenticing to?

Well exactly it to become a sparks (electrician) but i'll be learning how to plumb, fit furniture and tile etc.....

It is with a company that fits bathroom, bedrooms, kitchens and studies etc..

Right.

So....

You'll end up making about 40,000 a year..if your lucky.....

If colodia goes to college, then grad school.....he likely make a six fugure salary....

I think that says all there is to say.

Right.

So....

You'll end up making about 40,000 a year..if your lucky.....

If colodia goes to college, then grad school.....he likely make a six fugure salary....

I think that says all there is to say.

He might yeah. But i'm happy with 40k a year. Its enough, i'll be a master craftsman, and happy. You don't need a salary with five 0's on the end.

I personally think its worth it. But each to there own.

Thats the best advice actually. Don't take advice! Do what you feel you want to do. :D

Even if you don't want a degree, go to university for the education.

Without the dropouts and such, society wouldn't run. Who would fix your toilet? Who would sell you your BigMac? Remeber, everybody does their part.

What trade are you apprenticing to?

Well exactly it to become a sparks (electrician) but i'll be learning how to plumb, fit furniture and tile etc.....

It is with a company that fits bathroom, bedrooms, kitchens and studies etc..

Right.

So....

You'll end up making about 40,000 a year..if your lucky.....

If colodia goes to college, then grad school.....he likely make a six fugure salary....

I think that says all there is to say.

What if I study hard get Honor roll and maybe a High Honors certificate and get into a good Colledge for Computer Programmers or Buisness? How much would I be paid after I graduate?

(i'm only 16 so there's not a lot of advice i can give)

Be careful how you treat your parents and how you talk to them, one day (it might be a long time in the future, it might be tomorrow) they'll be gone and you'll regret every nasty thing you said to them and every time that you disobeyed them and there'll be nothing you can do about it, you won't be able to tell them how sorry you are, no matter how much you want to

You wouldn't be paid a single dime. You have to find a job first. :D

University has been every bit the best time of my life so far. And I will have a job at the end that will pay a couple of orders of power more than Trixia, will get the classier women, and I will have a good education.

Most importantly, I will be self-actualized.

I've always been partial to Uncle Bill's:

People often ask me if I have any words of advice for young people.
Well here are a few simple admonitions for young and old.
Never intefere in a boy-and-girl fight.
Beware of whores who say they don't want money.
The hell they don't.
What they mean is they want more money. Much more.
If you're doing business with a religious son-of-a-bitch,
Get it in writing.
His word isn't worth shit.
Not with the good lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal.

Avoid fuck-ups.
We all know the type.
Anything they have anything to do with,
No matter how good it sounds,
Turns into a disaster.
Do not offer sympathy to the mentally ill.
Tell them firmly:
I am not paid to listen to this drivel.
You are a terminal boob.

Now some of you may encounter the Devil's Bargain,
If you get that far.
Any old soul is worth saving,
At least to a priest,
But not every soul is worth buying.
So you can take the offer as a compliment.
He tries the easy ones first.
You know like money,
All the money there is.
But who wants to be the richest guy in some cemetary?
Money won't buy.
Not much left to spend it on, eh gramps?
Getting too old to cut the mustard.

Well time hits the hardest blows.
Especially below the belt.
How's a young body grab you?
Like three card monte, like pea under the shell,
Now you see it, now you don't.
Haven't you forgotten something, gramps?
In order to feel something,
You've got to be there.
You have to be eighteen.
You're not eighteen.
You are seventy-eight.
Old fool sold his soul for a strap-on.

Well they always try the easiest ones first.
How about an honorable bargain?
You always wanted to be a doctor,
Well now's your chance.
Why don't you become a great healer
And benefit humanity?
What's wrong with that?
Just about everything.
Just about everything.
There are no honorable bargains
Involving exchange
Of qualitative merchandise
Like souls
For quantitative merchandise
Like time and money.
So piss off Satan
And don't take me for dumber than I look.

An old junk pusher told me -
Watch whose money you pick up.





-William S. Burroughs-

What trade are you apprenticing to?

Well exactly it to become a sparks (electrician) but i'll be learning how to plumb, fit furniture and tile etc.....

It is with a company that fits bathroom, bedrooms, kitchens and studies etc..

Right.

So....

You'll end up making about 40,000 a year..if your lucky.....

If colodia goes to college, then grad school.....he likely make a six fugure salary....

I think that says all there is to say.

What if I study hard get Honor roll and maybe a High Honors certificate and get into a good Colledge for Computer Programmers or Buisness? How much would I be paid after I graduate?

Hard to say, it depends on your qualifications and the market at the time.
Programming is relatively safe to go into as everything is becoming more and more dependant on computers.
I myself am going into th IT field as well....although I should have started ten years ago....

Oh well..better late than never.

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Just a few quotes i think are relevant;

If something hurts you now, it will only ever make you stronger in the future.

Tomorrow do thy worst; for i have lived for today

Life it gives you time and space it is up to you to fill it

I would like to help too if I can...

I'm 35, married I have two kids of my own... My husband and I both have University education.. we both have good jobs... I don't know every thing.. I won't even pretend to.. But if I can help any of you out in any way.. please just ask.. I can also be telegrammed.. (via my nation)


Good Idea Backwood.. :)

Peace,

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What trade are you apprenticing to?

Well exactly it to become a sparks (electrician) but i'll be learning how to plumb, fit furniture and tile etc.....

It is with a company that fits bathroom, bedrooms, kitchens and studies etc..

Right.

So....

You'll end up making about 40,000 a year..if your lucky.....

If colodia goes to college, then grad school.....he likely make a six fugure salary....

I think that says all there is to say.

What if I study hard get Honor roll and maybe a High Honors certificate and get into a good Colledge for Computer Programmers or Buisness? How much would I be paid after I graduate?

Probably not very much unless you learn to spell properly....

What trade are you apprenticing to?

Well exactly it to become a sparks (electrician) but i'll be learning how to plumb, fit furniture and tile etc.....

It is with a company that fits bathroom, bedrooms, kitchens and studies etc..

Right.

So....

You'll end up making about 40,000 a year..if your lucky.....

If colodia goes to college, then grad school.....he likely make a six fugure salary....

I think that says all there is to say.

What if I study hard get Honor roll and maybe a High Honors certificate and get into a good Colledge for Computer Programmers or Buisness? How much would I be paid after I graduate?

Hard to say, it depends on your qualifications and the market at the time.
Programming is relatively safe to go into as everything is becoming more and more dependant on computers.
I myself am going into th IT field as well....although I should have started ten years ago....

Oh well..better late than never.

mate...don't bother with IT. Believe me....its not all its cracked up to be and its not gonna keep you employed...

Now healthcare...that will and if I was not too old to get out of IT I'd be looking at a medical career of somekind...

I'm 16, and I would love to be a governmental worker. Working on policy, specifically economic policy would be a dream come true.


How's that for some fucked up dreams?

As for advice, how would I be able to get involved in that sort of thing, anyone know?

Some of my own would be this:
Whatever you're going to do, it'll be for most of your life. Make it worth it. I'm not talking paychecks, trying to become "Elmer Fudd, millionairre-I own a mansion and a yacht..." I'm talking about finding that thing that is going to make it worth doing.

This is a highly personal thing. There are people who are completely fullfilled being accountants, I don't doubt (or understand) this. Don't be afraid to take your time to find what it is, don't be afraid to go after it all guns once you find it. There is no limit, no water mark. You could find it at the age of twelve of fifty.

I watched my father chase the dollar. I watched him achieve and be consumed by it. Now my brother makes more than he does teaching guitar. Guess who's happier, guess who has more to show for it. (my brother actually makes quite a bit, my dad-not so much...) It's gotta be something your happy to do. Otherwise the paychecks won't matter, and will never be enough.

That doesn't neccisarily mean chase rainbows, bills still have to be paid and food ain't free. But there's a way in almost anything if your willing to look.

Don't be afraid to accept help. It's a problem I've had and when I look back at all the legs up I didn't take it almost makes me cry.

Thanks for all the advice :) .

I'm 16, and I would love to be a governmental worker. Working on policy, specifically economic policy would be a dream come true.


How's that for some f--- up dreams?

As for advice, how would I be able to get involved in that sort of thing, anyone know?

Well come and work for me then :D

Some day I shall be the greatest leader my nation has ever known...because I will have done great things.

Nothing is impossible and everything can be run properly - with the right leadership.

Until then I shall use my university qualifications (which i shall get 2 years from now) to educate young people and help forge a brighter workforce, to show the future leaders of my country the value in pursuing whatever they desire and to install pride in who they are.

I'm 16, and I would love to be a governmental worker. Working on policy, specifically economic policy would be a dream come true.


How's that for some f--- up dreams?

As for advice, how would I be able to get involved in that sort of thing, anyone know?

Well come and work for me then :D

Some day I shall be the greatest leader my nation has ever known...because I will have done great things.

Nothing is impossible and everything can be run properly - with the right leadership.

Until then I shall use my university qualifications (which i shall get 2 years from now) to educate young people and help forge a brighter workforce, to show the future leaders of my country the value in pursuing whatever they desire and to install pride in who they are.

You live in Australia mayhaps?

Indeed I do.

Well....Middle School is 2 years of hell, but you gotta go through it. Like jail time.
(How can you break racism to 6th graders and below? :wink: )

You there...

Young man.

You planning on going to college?

Why today?

Sir, it's Christmas Day!

Well....Middle School is 2 years of hell, but you gotta go through it. Like jail time.
(How can you break racism to 6th graders and below? :wink: )

You there...

Young man.

You planning on going to college?

Why today?

Sir, it's Christmas Day!

ROFLMAO!!! :lol:

Japanese girls (from Japan): just forget them. Watch the pornos. Think about them at night to get you through life. Never, ever date one, because they will love you one week, and not the next. Not to mention, they won't know how to please you sexually.

Those thinking of doing History, Political Science, Sociology, Psychology or most other humanities based programs in university, know this.

You will most likely have to do graduate school if you want to find employment. So start looking at grad schools now, ask what the employment ratio for their students are and how many either continue to do a doctorate or leave to work in the private/public domain.

My advice would be this...

1. Ask the advice of older people you trust, often, even if you don't always take it. It's always good to know what it looks like from another point of view, and when you mess up, you'll know why.

2. Be careful what comes out of your mouth. Even if you watch what you say, you'll still mess up sometimes, but at least it cuts down on the times you'll have to look back on and cringe. Nothing you say can ever really be taken back, and words are more powerful and far-reaching than you imagine, affecting people way down the line like dominoes.

3. Watch out for freeloaders. They are all likeable people, but that's how they stay freeloaders. They will agree with everything you say, except when you say that rent is due tomorrow. The best way to get rid of one once you've got one is to breathe down their necks about money until they leave.

4. Learn to manage money. Write down what you spend and put some aside every time you get paid. This isn't always possible, but at least you know what you're spending your money on, and the earlier you learn to manage money the more you'll have left when you need it most. Nursing home rent is about $4000 a month.

5. Get an education. Get a trade if that's what you want, maybe a trade is better. At least there is no shortage of jobs for builders and mechanics, and they get paid well. It's worth the investment.

6. Learn to have confidence in your abilities. You can depend on yourself, you don't need anyone else to run your life. You are capable, but if you mess up, don't be afraid to admit it and try to do what you can to fix it, and learn from it so it doesn't happen again.

7. Be kind to those around you, and tolerant. This doesn't mean to let them take advantage of you, but you never know who you might be talking to. They could be on the edge, waiting to kill someone who's rude or snotty to them, and being polite could save your life. You never know.

8. Keep away from druggies. It's not worth the trouble. Slumming isn't worth it either. You don't want to be a part of that world, and if you sink too deep into it, there are people there who will eat you alive.

9. Don't lend out books or movies or comic books unless you don't mind that you won't get them back. Same thing with money.

I actually think this is a good read for this thread:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143963&highlight=

advice to younger folk:

you are just as smart as your parents, probably smarter, and there are scientific studies that prove it. don't let them talk down to you, don't let them disrespect you, and don't believe for a minute that they know better than you about YOU. they may know better about drugs, or driving, or cooking, or buying a home, but they don't know what's best for YOU any better than you yourself.

do drugs safely (since i know you will do them sometime). don't do stuff that will permanently scar your body or instantly hook you, like heroine or PCP, because that's what intelligent people refer to as being a chump. you don't want to get chumped, so don't get yourself hooked so that a dealer can make a fortune off your stupidity.

have sex all you want, but use bloody protection. i don't care if you were raised Catholic or if you are embarassed to ask for jimmy hats at the corner market, USE THE GODDAM CONDOMS. if you get pregnant or diseased it's your own bloody fault for being stupid, and i will personally take five minutes out of my day to laugh at your stupid ass. get on the Pill or get your girl on it, and double bag it if you have to, but do NOT mess around with out protection. it's literally the dumbest possible thing you can do, and that includes using drugs, driving without your seatbelt on, swearing at the President, and bringing a flaregun to school.

oh, and learn about good music for Christ's sake. we're all sick of that teeny-bopper and pop-hip-hop-ripoff crap, so get some taste or turn down your speakers. get some nice classical music, like Nirvana, early Metalica, and even one of the first coupla Greenday CDs. never hurts to visit the 80s punk era, either, and more recent selections could include Mest, Puddle Of Mudd, or the subtle and brilliant work of Stephen Lynch.

yeah, that'll do for now.

Don't waste time going to uni for 4 years. Sure it'll be a laugh, but you'll leave in dept and NOT be sure of getting a highly paid job.

Its a much better bet to become an apprentice for someone and learn a trade. It'll pay off in the long run, no depts, and good money!

Trix's Personal Opinion


dont listen to this guy.

Go.

Even if your not sure of what you want to become...
even if your not sure how you'll pay for it.

Life will be better if you do.

No it woun't, it can be just as good without uni. I know alot of successful people and NONE of them went to uni, all did apprenticships of sorts.
Umm...kinda hard to become a doctor without college...and med school...
hmmm...didn't notice this was 3 pages...i probably would've read the rest before posting this...

YOU WILL NEVER REGRET DOING THE RIGHT THING

no matter if its inconvenient or hard to not popular or even if it ends up with you getting the shit kicked out of you.

double post

Umm...kinda hard to become a doctor without college...and med school...
hmmm...didn't notice this was 3 pages...i probably would've read the rest before posting this...

Yes there are exceptions. But by and large it is true. You can't learn something by reading about it half as much as you would by experiancing it....

never regret anything you do, you always have a reason for making a particular choice at the time and it's your mistakes that are part of the reason why you are who you are and why your friends and family love you