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what do you define as losing it?

i ask because in a discussion i was in earlier, someone was trying to say that it is when someone gets off in any way and those who say otherwise are trying to justify their actions.
if it's getting off in any way, then i lost my virginity to my hand.
also, if it's simply a matter of getting off, then there are a number of married women who are still virgins, i'd wager. women with kids, mind you.

i say that virginity is lost when penis enters the vagina.

as for homosexuals, yeah... they can define it in their own ways... anal, fisting whatever, i'm not well versed in that respect, not being gay and all...

For women it's pretty simple, first vaginal penetration.

For men, it's a little trickier.

kissing.

I say, for a woman, when she is "broken", if you get my drift. If you don't, hit "Back" right now, and go to sleep - you shouldn't be up this late, anyway. As for a man, I say it's when he has a full-on orgasm inside of someone, male or female. And for those without either gender, when the flying monkey floats down from space and hugs you, that's about the right time.

Your mom lost her virginity to me last night! *bad-ah-psshhing* Thank you, I'm here every Friday!

Losing your virginity would be when you and a partner mutually reach orgasm through sexual means.

i ask because in a discussion i was in earlier, someone was trying to say that it is when someone gets off in any way and those who say otherwise are trying to justify their actions.

True, because by that logic you would lose your virginity in your early teen years due to nocturnal emissions.

I say, for a woman, when she is "broken", if you get my drift.
my hymen broke before i hit puberty. probably from having a nice happy active life...

Losing your virginity would be when you and a partner mutually reach orgasm through sexual means.

but it's rare that a couple reach orgasm at the same time...

Losing your virginity would be when you and a partner mutually reach orgasm through sexual means.Oh come one, that means a person could be having sex most of their life and not loose their virginity unitl they are well into their forties.

I think it depends on how you define sexual intercourse.

I say, for a woman, when she is "broken", if you get my drift. If you don't, hit "Back" right now, and go to sleep - you shouldn't be up this late, anyway. As for a man, I say it's when he has a full-on orgasm inside of someone, male or female. And for those without either gender, when the flying monkey floats down from space and hugs you, that's about the right time.Does it matter--for the male--where you are inside the other person's body when you have the orgasm?

For the record, I don't have an answer at all, but I love these kinds of discussions just to hear what other people think.

Doesn't have to be 'at the same time'.. Just when they are fucking like bunnies, each person at one point in time should reach orgasm. At least, that's the medical definition - and I'm going to stick with that one :)

eeeeeeeeeeeeew :shock:

FOr a male it is when he first enters any...i guess orifice on any living form. And for a female it is when she is 'broken' as someone had stated earlier.

Losing your virginity would be when you and a partner mutually reach orgasm through sexual means.

but it's rare that a couple reach orgasm at the same time...

Granted, but it's still bloody incredible! The <i>neighbors</i> wake up and smoke a cigarette after that!

Yes, i know. That has no bearing on this debate.
Sorry.

Well, sexual intercourse is basically a coitus between humans.. and the definition for coitus is as follows..


The act of sexual procreation between a man and a woman; the man's penis is inserted into the woman's vagina and excited until orgasm and ejaculation occur.

Well, sexual intercourse is basically a coitus between humans.. and the definition for coitus is as follows..


The act of sexual procreation between a man and a woman; the man's penis is inserted into the woman's vagina and excited until orgasm and ejaculation occur.

I say, for a woman, when she is "broken", if you get my drift. If you don't, hit "Back" right now, and go to sleep - you shouldn't be up this late, anyway. As for a man, I say it's when he has a full-on orgasm inside of someone, male or female. And for those without either gender, when the flying monkey floats down from space and hugs you, that's about the right time.Does it matter--for the male--where you are inside the other person's body when you have the orgasm?

For the record, I don't have an answer at all, but I love these kinds of discussions just to hear what other people think.

again, with the breaking of the hymen. riding a bicycle can break a hymen. wearing tampons can break a hymen. riding a horse can break a hymen. falling on a fence can break a hymen. masturbation can break a hymen...

it's not necessarily an indication of any sexual activity whatsoever.

I say, for a woman, when she is "broken", if you get my drift. If you don't, hit "Back" right now, and go to sleep - you shouldn't be up this late, anyway. As for a man, I say it's when he has a full-on orgasm inside of someone, male or female. And for those without either gender, when the flying monkey floats down from space and hugs you, that's about the right time.
Then I lost my virginity at ten, because I fell on a fence post when I was ten, and it broke my hymen.

well...not ME...but you know
anyway, I think all that matters is when you decide you're no longer a virgin. It's not like it really matters anyway, it's just another way of grouping people that's totally irrelevant. Though I attributed the loss of my virginity to the time when...hmmm...to think of a way to say it without sounding vulgar or overly matter-of-fact. Well it was in and out...but I'd say both my boyfriend (of the time) and myself lost our virginities anyway.
Besides...it doesn't make sense to say that I lost mine but he retained his...just another way of keeping women from being sexual- that makes me "broken" but he's still a virgin! :wink:

In general, i'd argue that anyone who asks themself or another "Am i, technically speaking, a virgin?" almost certainly is.

I would say that if you've hit puberty and you've had any type of contact with someone's genitals (that's intended to give sexual pleasure), or someone with yours, then you're not a virgin.

vaginal penetration.

If no....virgin.

If yes..Virgin..

Thats pretty much it.

For women it's pretty simple, first vaginal penetration.

For men, it's a little trickier.

nope. that would mean that lesbians are still virgins, even after years of wild sex. viriginity is NOT defined by whether or not you've had a penis inside you, and if it were then male viriginity would be just a simple: whenever you have a vagina around you.

double standards are stupid, lose them.

Not all women have a hymen by the time they become sexually active. Very active girls might break it well in advance. I don't remember having one break the first time I had sex, and I can't think of any other way it could have happened. Would this mean I lost my virginity before I had sex? I'd say it would be the first time you actually have full intercourse, for men and women.

Masturbation doesn't count, IMHO, because anyone who's got little kids might find to their huge embarrassment that their toddler does it without being really aware of it.

of course, i don't know why it matters. there is nothing whatsoever special about being a virgin, any more than there is something special about never having been to New Jersey. it just means you haven't been to a certain place in your life, whatever you reasons may be. if you want to argue that technically you changed planes in the Newark airport once but that doesn't really count as being in New Jersey, or if you want to say that you drove through there every day on the way to work but have never seen more than the Turnpike so it doesn't count, then that's your silly little business. it's up to you when you think you really have experienced sex, because nobody else knows what your experiences are like, and because there are so many ways to have sex that will not break a hymen or leave a lasting physical trace.

if you think you are a virgin but just can't decide, here's my advice: learn to not give a damn. don't do anything physical with another person that you don't want to do, and do everything that you DO want to do. your viriginity is however you want to define it, and you are more qualified than anybody else to do so. any definition you come up with will be just as valid as the next. so don't sweat it.

Not all women have a hymen by the time they become sexually active. Very active girls might break it well in advance. I don't remember having one break the first time I had sex, and I can't think of any other way it could have happened. Would this mean I lost my virginity before I had sex? I'd say it would be the first time you actually have full intercourse, for men and women.

Masturbation doesn't count, IMHO, because anyone who's got little kids might find to their huge embarrassment that their toddler does it without being really aware of it.

yup, i never had a hymen to begin with, according to my doctor, so i guess i was born without my virginity! :P

and you're right, little kids (especially boys) often will notice something interesting between their legs and mess around with it. they're not actually masturbating in the way an adult would, because they have no concept of its connection to sex, but they are stimulating that region because...well, it feels nice.

I'd say the only context in which virginity matters is that of reproductive control. It's the way in which men have protected a commodity that will be changing hands. This is why there's a booming trade in the middle east for plastic surgery to replace hymens. If a girl has hers intact, then it means that she cannot have been gotten pregnant by someone other than her buyer, who won't want used goods. He wants to make sure that he's the first and only one to use her, hence her being watched from the moment she begins to look like she could reproduce. Of course....motherhood is a fact, fatherhood is only an opinion at best, and always has been....

Can't we all just agree that its an antiquated method of female oppression dating back to biblical times that is simply riddled with double standards towards men and women and it should be abandonned pronto?

I'd say the only context in which virginity matters is that of reproductive control. It's the way in which men have protected a commodity that will be changing hands. This is why there's a booming trade in the middle east for plastic surgery to replace hymens. If a girl has hers intact, then it means that she cannot have been gotten pregnant by someone other than her buyer, who won't want used goods. He wants to make sure that he's the first and only one to use her, hence her being watched from the moment she begins to look like she could reproduce. Of course....motherhood is a fact, fatherhood is only an opinion at best, and always has been....

yup. the main problem i see is that our culture still tries to trace heritage through the male line. this necessitates debates on paternity, and leads to stricter control over a woman's sexual history. if we just traced through the female, which would never be in doubt at all, then we wouldn't have this problem. it's not a feminist thing for me, it's just a matter of practicality; if you have one gender that can't know for sure about its offspring without a DNA test from some lab, but the other gender is going to KNOW FOR GODDAM SURE AFTER 23 HOURS OF LABOR, then trace heritage through the one that knows.

Can't we all just agree that its an antiquated method of female oppression dating back to biblical times that is simply riddled with double standards towards men and women and it should be abandonned pronto?

it's like you're reading my mind...or my posts...either way, good stuff...

Did you know that you can actually trace back to the first woman through mitochondrial DNA? Mitochondrial DNA is carried only by women, and it's a direct line. It seems to me that family trees would be a good deal more accurate if we traced them maternally, because as Bottle says,

yup. the main problem i see is that our culture still tries to trace heritage through the male line. this necessitates debates on paternity, and leads to stricter control over a woman's sexual history. if we just traced through the female, which would never be in doubt at all, then we wouldn't have this problem. it's not a feminist thing for me, it's just a matter of practicality; if you have one gender that can't know for sure about its offspring without a DNA test from some lab, but the other gender is going to KNOW FOR GODDAM SURE AFTER 23 HOURS OF LABOR, then trace heritage through the one that knows.

I'm guessing there's more than enough cukoo's eggs in any family tree to render it totally useless. Even the houses of royalty haven't been totally able to help this.

Did you know that you can actually trace back to the first woman through mitochondrial DNA? Mitochondrial DNA is carried only by women, and it's a direct line. It seems to me that family trees would be a good deal more accurate if we traced them maternally, because as Bottle says,

yup. the main problem i see is that our culture still tries to trace heritage through the male line. this necessitates debates on paternity, and leads to stricter control over a woman's sexual history. if we just traced through the female, which would never be in doubt at all, then we wouldn't have this problem. it's not a feminist thing for me, it's just a matter of practicality; if you have one gender that can't know for sure about its offspring without a DNA test from some lab, but the other gender is going to KNOW FOR GODDAM SURE AFTER 23 HOURS OF LABOR, then trace heritage through the one that knows.

I'm guessing there's more than enough cukoo's eggs in any family tree to render it totally useless. Even the houses of royalty haven't been totally able to help this.

yup. using mDNA we can actually trace a person's heritage back to one "Eve" of seven that have been pinpointed...thousands of generations. using the male line you have no way at all of confirming heritage after about 4 generations, and even after 2 there is a large margin of error.

Doesn't have to be 'at the same time'.. Just when they are f--- like bunnies, each person at one point in time should reach orgasm. At least, that's the medical definition - and I'm going to stick with that one :)

Only once? :P
You're being unfair....

Can't we all just agree that its an antiquated method of female oppression dating back to biblical times that is simply riddled with double standards towards men and women and it should be abandonned pronto?

it's like you're reading my mind...or my posts...either way, good stuff...Thank you. Its just not a standard that makes sense in modern society these day, where procreation takes a backseat to sex and no-one gets married a virgin anymore.

Bottle, I think the whole problem began when men started to figure out that they provided half of the raw materials, and they started getting all gushy about how the baby was a part of them, and paternally in love with the idea, and then jealous of the privilege, and then they started passing laws about it. Then kings started saying that their first son should inherit everything, because that's the fruit of his loins, dammit, the woman's just the incubator, and the commoners followed his lead.

This is how we lost our rights, letting them have too much information and then indulging them in their paternal zeal.

Ok, you're starting to scare me now....

Ok, you're starting to scare me now....

Good. *rubs hands together*

It's a start. :twisted:

For most women you know when you've lost it if it hurts.... even if you were severely drunk at the time.....

Well some of the more extreme views here are terrifying for me...
Half of which I can't talk about as a guy because I either don't know as much as you girls, or I'd get horribly insulted ;) :P

And what the hell is fisting?

fisting... DONT ASK YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW

virginity seems like such an outdated notion. it used to apply only to women and only to the state of theri hymen.

id say for anyone, male or female, straight or gay, you are a no longer a virgin when you have "sex" with another person. sex being defined as any activity designed to lead to orgasm whether that orgasm is achieved or not. and id say, this being the net, that you wouldhave to actually be in the same room physically with that person for it to count. oh yeah and that it involve doing things to each other.

fisting... DONT ASK YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW


How bad is it? lol

take "safe search" off on google
dont have any small children around
dont let your parents see it either
you wont look at more than one picture

Before I do answer me this, is it men or women?

either really... and if that does't scare you, nothing will..lol

Oh I see...
At least it's not worse than the goatse man

*goes and throws up*

Participating in anal, oral or straight sex for the first time is loosing your virginity.

Virginity is lost for a guy when he sticks his penis inside a women :lol: . It is lost for a girl when she hs a penis stuck in her :oops: .

That's a very simplistic view and it shows you didn't read the thread.

fisting... DONT ASK YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW


How bad is it? lol

Fisting is when one partner inserts their fist(carefully and with lots of lube) into the other partner's rectum or vagina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisting

I feel virginity is lost when penis enters vagina. But I can't find anything written to back that up (mostly because I haven't looked).

I feel virginity is lost when penis enters vagina. But I can't find anything written to back that up (mostly because I haven't looked).

but isnt that kinda like when president clinton said he didnt have sex with monica because it was just a blow job?

can you really do everything possible sexually (trying not to think about the possibilities) besides vaginal intercourse and still be a virgin??

....I think so....I really don't know.

....I think so....I really don't know.

well what is the point of defining someone as a virgin in your mind then?
is there any point to it?

....I think so....I really don't know.

well what is the point of defining someone as a virgin in your mind then?
is there any point to it?

Clearly not.

I guess what I think is, just because you have sex doesn't mean you're not a virgin, it has to be a certain kind of sex.

Oral sex doesn't count towards losing your virginity.

Vaginal does.

The key is in the vagina.

It is? :twisted:

oh honey, the key is the clitoris, write that down and never ever forget it

oh honey, the key is the clitoris, write that down and never ever forget it

Oh, I'm well aware of the powers of the clitoris, but it can do nothing to relieve you of your virginity.

I will, this thread is starting to become very useful...

...When i looked at this thread i thought "wait a second, i thought that was pretty clear cut" so i read on and some people have some good theories but why does it matter? A persons virginity shouldnt matter if they have it or not...i dont even know if i classify as having "lost" myne...but then again i didnt really do anything with it while i had it so i had no problem "giving" it away. Can anyone answer my inquiry as to why it is important to knoe?

~prongs

its only important up to the day you stop considering yourself a virgin i guess. im 47, its meaningless to me. what youve done in the past isnt really important, its what you are doing NOW that counts.

What if there's not much happening NOW ? :evil:

What if there's not much happening NOW ? :evil:

Then it's what the people that you're spying on are doing now that matters. :twisted:

then you are a reluctant neo-virgin???

Reluctant? Me?
That's a good one...
You're talking to a 17 year old boy here...

There really aren't anyway anyone could tell someone is not a virgin.. Man or Woman.

There really aren't anyway anyone could tell someone is not a virgin.. Man or Woman.

Doctors

Reluctant? Me?
That's a good one...
You're talking to a 17 year old boy here...

hahahah oops well then you are a nonvirgin wannabe?

not that it matters, we all have to start sometime and in many ways later is better

Yes Doctors are good for those things...

Reluctant? Me?
That's a good one...
You're talking to a 17 year old boy here...

hahahah oops well then you are a nonvirgin wannabe?

not that it matters, we all have to start sometime and in many ways later is better


I'm sure it is.


But how long is too long... that's the 64k USD question :(

To me losing your verginity is when you have Vaginal sex. For a woman, when a mans peis eners her vegina, for a man when his peis enters a womans vegina.

*sigh* :cry: :cry:

There really aren't anyway anyone could tell someone is not a virgin.. Man or Woman.

Doctors

You're referring to checking if the Hymen is broken? The hymen could be broken without having sex. Like rising on a horse for example could unintentionally do the trick.

We've already gone over that...

Reluctant? Me?
That's a good one...
You're talking to a 17 year old boy here...

hahahah oops well then you are a nonvirgin wannabe?

not that it matters, we all have to start sometime and in many ways later is better


I'm sure it is.


But how long is too long... that's the 64k USD question :(

When you hit 20.

Two words answer the question.

Penis
Vagina

Nothing more to be said.

Reluctant? Me?
That's a good one...
You're talking to a 17 year old boy here...

hahahah oops well then you are a nonvirgin wannabe?

not that it matters, we all have to start sometime and in many ways later is better


I'm sure it is.


But how long is too long... that's the 64k USD question :(

When you hit 20.

I worry about that and I know people close to that who haven't...

Mutual genital stimulation. Just fellatio or just cunnilingous I don't think really counts. That's more, to quote what my fellow students would say, "fooling around." I suppose anal intercourse, or mutual oral stimulation of the genitals at the same time, would count, but I don't really feel like going into that.

umm... farking.

Have fun.

I'm sure it is.


But how long is too long... that's the 64k USD question :(

welll back when i was in college.....
my roommate was dating a doctor, he told her that if a woman was still a virgin at 21 then it was physically bad for her.....
of course my roomate was a virgin and her 21st bday was coming up....


try to have good relationships with girls/women and things will happen. no need to rush, few people who are interested are still virgins at 21.

Call me over simple but:

Man loses his virginity when: He enters a woman.

Woman loses her virginity when: She is entered by a man.

Simple really....

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Trix, Virginity Losing Expert
Newest RP Idea! (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=149102&highlight=)

Er...so, all lesbians (or at least all who've been so since a relatively young /early-teenish age) are virgins then? :roll:

Er...so, all lesbians (or at least all who've been so since a relatively young /early-teenish age) are virgins then? :roll:

They can lose it to each other through oral sex.

Er...so, all lesbians (or at least all who've been so since a relatively young /early-teenish age) are virgins then? :roll:
same thing for gay men though

For straight sex: Penis into vagina
For Lesbian Sex: Inserting "something" down there
Gay Sex: Penis in butt

Clearly.

For me, losing one's virginity is definied by being physically penetrated or being the penetrator.

Er...so, all lesbians (or at least all who've been so since a relatively young /early-teenish age) are virgins then? :roll:

To be honest, yeah. If your a woman, you still a "virgin" until you have sex with a man really. Lesbian or not. And visa versa. Really.

Interesting, isn't it, that people don't have virginities for other things, like kissing. Why isn't there a kissing virginity?

I don't see that the first time you have sex is any more important than the first time you fly in an aeroplane or tie your shoelaces, aside from determining paternity, in which case the measure of whether a woman is a virgin would be whether she'd had unprotected sex with a man, and the concept of virginity would be meaningless for men.

And it isn't.

I still have my pot noodle virginity :D

y'all have such restrictive definitions of sex and virginity
its really an outdated concept based on the idea of female purity and ownership.
a daughter was her fathers property. he was expected to give her to her husband in a pure unsoiled state. she then was the property of her husband to do with as he saw fit.

the thing is that you are only a virgin until you arent. (duh) if your whole sexual ethic is based on being a virgin then what do you do afterwards? have sex with anyone who offers? is it ok to do everything else but vaginal intercourse as long as you can claim to still be a virgin??

you need to think wayyy beyond this outdated virginity concept.

*bump*

When tab A goes into slot B, you are no longer a virgin.

Er...so, all lesbians (or at least all who've been so since a relatively young /early-teenish age) are virgins then? :roll:

To be honest, yeah. If your a woman, you still a "virgin" until you have sex with a man really. Lesbian or not. And visa versa. Really.
well, unfortunately, I'd bet there are some lesbians that would disagree with you. And also unfortunately, you don't get to decide whether or not they are virgins. Ashmoria, as well as several other people before him (or her) is right...If it even mattered what a virgin is, you can decide for yourself, based on your own experiences...I don't think there should be one exact motion that everyone goes through that defines the exact moment. We're not all the same in any other way, why would we all lose our virginities identically?

the thing is that you are only a virgin until you arent. (duh) if your whole sexual ethic is based on being a virgin then what do you do afterwards? have sex with anyone who offers?
well yeah, obviously
is it ok to do everything else but vaginal intercourse as long as you can claim to still be a virgin??
well, haven't you learned anything from the teen stars of these past few years? it's all about the technical virginity! Everything but sex. (heh...the joke doesn't work as well when you're writing it and not saying it)

To be honest, yeah. If your a woman, you still a "virgin" until you have sex with a man really. Lesbian or not. And visa versa. Really.

So all gays and lesbians who never had intercourse with a member of the opposite sex are virgins by your definition? :shock: That's a little arbitrary.

I don't really think of myself as a virgin, you know. What with having had sex steadily over the course of more than two years with my boyfriend and all... :roll:

y'all have such restrictive definitions of sex and virginity
its really an outdated concept based on the idea of female purity and ownership.
a daughter was her fathers property. he was expected to give her to her husband in a pure unsoiled state. she then was the property of her husband to do with as he saw fit.

the thing is that you are only a virgin until you arent. (duh) if your whole sexual ethic is based on being a virgin then what do you do afterwards? have sex with anyone who offers? is it ok to do everything else but vaginal intercourse as long as you can claim to still be a virgin??

you need to think wayyy beyond this outdated virginity concept.

She's got a point. How many times have I heard of young women(sometimes young *girls*) that go by that whole abstinence and "not until marriage" crap that don't pratice vaginal penetration, but do give fellatio and pratice anal sex. I think it's a little paradoxal to say a teenager giving blowjobs to her boyfriend regularly and takes it up the ass to avoid vaginal penetration, only to claim to be a "virgin" afterwards. :roll:

Virginity is very subjective, in my opinion. Everyone seems to make such a big deal of their first time... Well let me say this : my first time sucked. When I lost my virginity, I was nervous as hell, didn't know what to do, and hardly even got it up because of the stress. It's got nothing to hold to what it got to be once I started to know what I was doing. I reckon it's the same for most poeple.

Two words answer the question.

Penis
Vagina

Nothing more to be said.

Cool, so me and my boyfriend can (or could have, if we were virgins) have as much sex as we want and stay virgins? Amazing. :roll:

Yes, forever.

To be honest, yeah. If your a woman, you still a "virgin" until you have sex with a man really. Lesbian or not. And visa versa. Really.

So all gays and lesbians who never had intercourse with a member of the opposite sex are virgins by your definition? :shock: That's a little arbitrary.

I don't really think of myself as a virgin, you know. What with having had sex steadily over the course of more than two years with my boyfriend and all... :roll:
nah, gay men can be devirginized...it really just takes penile pentration :roll:
but lesbians: Better get out there and find you a man lest you be a virgin forever

What’d I tell you - she just needs the
right guy. All every woman really
wants - be it mother, senator, nun -
is some serious deep-dicking.
-Banky Edwards

err...is that too explicit for this site?
if so I apologize

Who cares? Virginity is an outdated concept anyways.

To be honest, yeah. If your a woman, you still a "virgin" until you have sex with a man really. Lesbian or not. And visa versa. Really.

So all gays and lesbians who never had intercourse with a member of the opposite sex are virgins by your definition? :shock: That's a little arbitrary.

I don't really think of myself as a virgin, you know. What with having had sex steadily over the course of more than two years with my boyfriend and all... :roll:
nah, gay men can be devirginized...it really just takes penile pentration :roll:
but lesbians: Better get out there and find you a man lest you be a virgin forever

What’d I tell you - she just needs the
right guy. All every woman really
wants - be it mother, senator, nun -
is some serious deep-dicking.
-Banky Edwards

err...is that too explicit for this site?
if so I apologize

Again, see my previous posts about the definition of virgin. You can't seriously pretend to be a virgin if you're a girl practicing oral sex, nor can you seriously consider a virgin a lesbian who's been having sex for 20 years on the sole account she never let a man near her.

Why is it always just penetration involved? I personnally don't agree with it. Oral sex IS sexual activity. And what about mutual masturbation? If there's physical contact between two persons and body fluids flying around the room, I think it's basis for a loss of virginity.

Who cares? Virginity is an outdated concept anyways.

With that I agree.

Again, see my previous posts about the definition of virgin. You can't seriously pretend to be a virgin if you're a girl practicing oral sex, nor can you seriously consider a virgin a lesbian who's been having sex for 20 years on the sole account she never let a man near her.

Why is it always just penetration involved? I personnally don't agree with it. Oral sex IS sexual activity. And what about mutual masturbation? If there's physical contact between two persons and body fluids flying around the room, I think it's basis for a loss of virginity.
errr...I already commented on that, before you...
most of my last post was sarcasm

people, people. All this discussion is interesting and um, STIMULATING. Bu virginity is a bunch of outdated "purity" crap that belongs in the 16 century where women never did any outdoor activity, and therefore never had their hymen broken by anything other than sex, and had to be "pure" to become married, which was of course the most important thing for a woman.

i'm all for sex, as long as the persons involved are ready!

IMO, anything including handjobs take away ones virginity....oh, and they have to be done by other people.

And what the hell is fisting?

Is that not sort of obvious....? You know, from the name...

I'm sure it is.


But how long is too long... that's the 64k USD question :(

welll back when i was in college.....
my roommate was dating a doctor, he told her that if a woman was still a virgin at 21 then it was physically bad for her.....
of course my roomate was a virgin and her 21st bday was coming up....


try to have good relationships with girls/women and things will happen. no need to rush, few people who are interested are still virgins at 21.

That's an interesting way to get someone into bed...
As of September I'll be going to the mixed 6th form of a girls school :twisted: