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*is it any coincidence that this woman advocated for the rights of the millions of innocent people in our jails victimized by the unconstitutional war on drugs, gets setup to be arrested by police under these same facist laws, now ends up dead in order for police to silence her?

Protests in Chicago After Activist Dies in Police Custody
In Chicago, hundreds of city residents attended a police board meeting in last night demanding to know how a prominent activist died in police custody. The 55-year-old May Molina died on Wednesday after she was picked up on alleged drug charges. She was the founder of the Families of the Wrongfully Convicted. Relatives said Molina -- who was wheelchair-bound -- was diabaetic and was denied medication by the police. So many protesters attended the meeting, police board members and the city police superintendent had to be escorted to the exits. The police claim the woman had six undigested bags of heroin in her stomach at the time of her death as well dozens of more bags at her apartment. One attendee at the meeting said "There is no doubt that May Molina was murdered because she is one of the most outspoken political activists for the wrongfully convicted

yes! good work chicago pd!!! kill those dirty "activists"

yes! good work chicago pd!!! kill those dirty "activists"what are the roots of your virulent hatred of democracy?

yes! good work chicago pd!!! kill those dirty "activists"what are the roots of your virulent hatred of democracy?I think he lives in Georgia. Ain't that right GV?

Nothing unexpected. The Chicago pigs have always been some of the worst.

One time I was in Chicago and this cop went up to me and went, "Got any drugs?" So I told him, "No." Then he grabed my shirt and went, "Don't hold back on me you little bitch." So I pulled some lint off my pants and gave it to him.
It was awkward.

Nothing unexpected. The Chicago pigs have always been some of the worst.

Let's not forget Haymarket.

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Maybe you should try waiting for the cause of death before you scream murder.

give it a f***ing rest.

What if BOTH the people who are pro-war on drugs and those who are against it are wrong?

Anyways, generally, both are extremely biased.

As for me, I'm pro. Seeing as how friends and family members have screwed themselves over in the name of getting high. See? I can be just as biased as anyone else!
The ONLY problem here is the Chicago cops who WEREN'T following fascist laws, but rather not giving this women her medication (although I'd hesitate to if the women had bags of heroine in her stomach)

Nothing unexpected. The Chicago pigs have always been some of the worst.
Let's not forget Haymarket.
Wasn't Haymarket a Pinkerton incident? I had a run-in with them once when they were the hired security at my undergrad college.* Their captain started telling me about the time he took the ferry over to Shelbyville. Apparently, he had tied an onion to his belt, which was the style in those days....

* No joke, my college really did use "Pinkertron" (as we called it, for some reason) security. And I believe some of them were around for Haymarket. Although they mostly just spent their time peering into the windows of the girls' dorms, "looking for candles", as they said.

Ok here, lets look at this:
She was 55
She had bags of herion in her stomach
She was anti-Drug War

What do these facts point us to?
OVERDOSE!!!
Congrats, full marks. Heres your diploma, dont do drugs.

Honestly...Im against drugs, and the War on Drugs is, in my opinion, a VERY good thing. Drugs screw up your brain, your body and your life.
No, I have not ratted any of my friends out to the schools cop, I have NEVER turned anybody in on drug charges, I just hope that either they quit on their own or the cops catch them. The Seaside...'pigs' are a pretty decent bunch, and usualy arent overly harsh with drug charges.
Unless your a tourist ;)

Ok here, lets look at this:
She was 55
She had bags of herion in her stomach
She was anti-Drug War

What do these facts point us to?

as if cops never planted things. seriously, we have so many examples (particularly in chicago, but everywhere else too) of police misconduct that to pretend it isn't systemic is jaw-droppingly naive. always assume cops to be lying. of course, that doesn't mean you have to always assume the other side is telling the truth.

and just as an aside - exactly how many heroin junkies do you know that are overweight?

yes! good work chicago pd!!! kill those dirty "activists"what are the roots of your virulent hatred of democracy?I think he lives in Georgia. Ain't that right GV?

damn right i do!!! and the aint nothin wrong with dat!!! i sure as hell wont have no damn carpetbagging yankee tellin me how to live my life!!!

atlanta in fact; we also boast the third highest murder rate in the country (i think) :D

yes! good work chicago pd!!! kill those dirty "activists"what are the roots of your virulent hatred of democracy?

and her being murdered has nothing to do with her being a smart assed smack addict?

yes! good work chicago pd!!! kill those dirty "activists"what are the roots of your virulent hatred of democracy?I think he lives in Georgia. Ain't that right GV?

damn right i do!!! and the aint nothin wrong with dat!!! i sure as hell wont have no damn carpetbagging yankee tellin me how to live my life!!!

atlanta in fact; we also boast the third highest murder rate in the country (i think) :DNot the third highest murder rate but we are the third most likely to be the victim of violent crime. Violent crime could be anything from an ass-kicking to being murdered.

yes! good work chicago pd!!! kill those dirty "activists"what are the roots of your virulent hatred of democracy?I think he lives in Georgia. Ain't that right GV?

damn right i do!!! and the aint nothin wrong with dat!!! i sure as hell wont have no damn carpetbagging yankee tellin me how to live my life!!!

atlanta in fact; we also boast the third highest murder rate in the country (i think) :DNot the third highest murder rate but we are the third most likely to be the victim of violent crime. Violent crime could be anything from an ass-kicking to being murdered.
you're from the ATL too? :D

yes! good work chicago pd!!! kill those dirty "activists"what are the roots of your virulent hatred of democracy?I think he lives in Georgia. Ain't that right GV?

damn right i do!!! and the aint nothin wrong with dat!!! i sure as hell wont have no damn carpetbagging yankee tellin me how to live my life!!!

atlanta in fact; we also boast the third highest murder rate in the country (i think) :DNot the third highest murder rate but we are the third most likely to be the victim of violent crime. Violent crime could be anything from an ass-kicking to being murdered.
you're from the ATL too? :DI've lived my entire life in and around Atlanta.

what part? i live in lawrenceville, close to where discover mills mall is.

I say it doesn't matter what killed her: if the police denied her medication, they should be fired and thrown in jail.

what part? i live in lawrenceville, close to where discover mills mall is.When I was born my family lived on Cleveland Street, then we moved to Bankhead, where we lived until I was 14 years old, then we moved to Jonesboro, then I moved to a small town called Locust Grove.

1) Mind posting a source for that? All I could find was a single lefty "indy" media site and an Puerto Rican site...

http://chicago.indymedia.org/
http://www.laraza.com/news.php?nid=14435
google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.laraza.com/&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522may%2Bmolina%2522%2Bchicago%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG) of the above.

2) Chalk me up on the repeal the prohibition laws.

3) And drop by a high school and say hi to Cuneo Island for us Greater Valia and Deeloleo. ;)

FYI...www.laraza.com is NOT a Puerto Rican site. Mexicans are the ones prone to using that term to refer to themselves. In fact, using Mexican terms to refer to Puerto Ricans is usually grounds for a whuppin'.

1) Mind posting a source for that?

it made the trib and other chicago news. i could probably find it on google news...

http://www.nbc5.com/news/3350623/detail.html

as some background on chicago cops - they have a long-standing tradition of framing political activists that goes all the way back to the 1800s. they also are not known for their lack of corruption and absence of brutality.

plus, we know that cointelpro is back in operation - the chicago pigs have admitted to infiltrating, sabotaging, and generally harassing activist groups. and back in the day, cointelpro involved assassinations and the like.

yes! good work chicago pd!!! kill those dirty "activists"what are the roots of your virulent hatred of democracy?I think he lives in Georgia. Ain't that right GV?oh that explains it--a southerner

Nothing unexpected. The Chicago pigs have always been some of the worst.that LAPD are quite the nazis too

One time I was in Chicago and this cop went up to me and went, "Got any drugs?" So I told him, "No." Then he grabed my shirt and went, "Don't hold back on me you little bitch." So I pulled some lint off my pants and gave it to him.
It was awkward.LOL --I hope he overdozed on your lint

Maybe you should try waiting for the cause of death before you scream murder.the arrest itself was a crime

One time I was in Chicago and this cop went up to me and went, "Got any drugs?" So I told him, "No." Then he grabed my shirt and went, "Don't hold back on me you little bitch." So I pulled some lint off my pants and gave it to him.
It was awkward.

Wow, I'm pretty sure that's illegal on his part.....must've been desperate.

"Oh god, I need drugs, any kind."

Everyone knows they pocket the drugs so they can use them.

give it a f***ing rest.

What if BOTH the people who are pro-war on drugs and those who are against it are wrong?

Anyways, generally, both are extremely biased.

As for me, I'm pro. Seeing as how friends and family members have screwed themselves over in the name of getting high. See? I can be just as biased as anyone else!
The ONLY problem here is the Chicago cops who WEREN'T following fascist laws, but rather not giving this women her medication (although I'd hesitate to if the women had bags of heroine in her stomach)it was a political assassination--we live in an age when people who speak truth to power are targetted to be silenced by any means necessary

yes! good work chicago pd!!! kill those dirty "activists"what are the roots of your virulent hatred of democracy?I think he lives in Georgia. Ain't that right GV?oh that explains it--a southerner

hey, shut up

Oh, and on-topic.

There's a good chance that a pro-drugs activist would be a drug-user themselves.

Or perhaps a "distributor", there's good money in that.

Ok here, lets look at this:
She was 55
She had bags of herion in her stomach
She was anti-Drug War

What do these facts point us to?
OVERDOSE!!!
Congrats, full marks. Heres your diploma, dont do drugs.

Honestly...Im against drugs, and the War on Drugs is, in my opinion, a VERY good thing. Drugs screw up your brain, your body and your life.
No, I have not ratted any of my friends out to the schools cop, I have NEVER turned anybody in on drug charges, I just hope that either they quit on their own or the cops catch them. The Seaside...'pigs' are a pretty decent bunch, and usualy arent overly harsh with drug charges.
Unless your a tourist ;)you dont have to like drugs but thats no excuse to support violating peoples basic human rights with facist laws against them--thats just taking your antidrug bigotry to an extreme--people who dont use drugs responsibly need REHAB not jail

yes! good work chicago pd!!! kill those dirty "activists"what are the roots of your virulent hatred of democracy?

and her being murdered has nothing to do with her being a smart assed smack addict?since when is that supposed to be something punishable with death?

Now where is Chigaco.

Illinois.

Now where is Chigaco.

southwest side of lake migichan

Oh, and on-topic.

There's a good chance that a pro-drugs activist would be a drug-user themselves.

Or perhaps a "distributor", there's good money in that.but the topic is should cops be allowed to murder political activists

It's a bit stupid to go making wild assumptions on a case you don't really know that much about. If she was shot several times in the head from point blank range you might have reason to suspect murder. But you don't even know how she died. Wait for the cause of death to be established first. I know this may come as quite a shock to you all, but activists do actually die for reasons other than murder.

Now where is Chigaco.Illinoise

It's a bit stupid to go making wild assumptions on a case you don't really know that much about. If she was shot several times in the head from point blank range you might have reason to suspect murder. But you don't even know how she died. Wait for the cause of death to be established first. I know this may come as quite a shock to you all, but activists do actually die for reasons other than murder.well in America--that would be a first

It's a bit stupid to go making wild assumptions on a case you don't really know that much about. If she was shot several times in the head from point blank range you might have reason to suspect murder. But you don't even know how she died. Wait for the cause of death to be established first. I know this may come as quite a shock to you all, but activists do actually die for reasons other than murder.well in America--that would be a first
I live in the UK and my dad's a police officer. He aknowledges that this sort of thing happens, but surely it can't be that much worse in the US? By the way you lot go on about it you'd think it was a third world country!

It's a bit stupid to go making wild assumptions on a case you don't really know that much about. If she was shot several times in the head from point blank range you might have reason to suspect murder. But you don't even know how she died. Wait for the cause of death to be established first. I know this may come as quite a shock to you all, but activists do actually die for reasons other than murder.well in America--that would be a first
I live in the UK and my dad's a police officer. He aknowledges that this sort of thing happens, but surely it can't be that much worse in the US? By the way you lot go on about it you'd think it was a third world country!aside from all the wealth and high standard of living it really is

Oh, and on-topic.

There's a good chance that a pro-drugs activist would be a drug-user themselves.

Or perhaps a "distributor", there's good money in that.but the topic is should cops be allowed to murder political activists

No, they shouldn't, why would you create a topic about that, that's a no-brainer.

All I'm saying is, she might not have been murdered, she might have swallowed those bags of heroin, the cops may have been perfectly justified in what they were doing.

Police shouldn't feel threatened for arresting someone who was in possesion of heroin. Just because it's someone famous, doesn't mean they're immune to the law.

I'm sure you people hate it when celebrities get special treatment in court, this is the same thing.

It might be the same thing as that damn mumia abu-jamahl thing.

People are so paranoid that they ignore the actual facts.

Oh, and on-topic.

There's a good chance that a pro-drugs activist would be a drug-user themselves.

Or perhaps a "distributor", there's good money in that.but the topic is should cops be allowed to murder political activists

No, they shouldn't, why would you create a topic about that, that's a no-brainer.

All I'm saying is, she might not have been murdered, she might have swallowed those bags of heroin, the cops may have been perfectly justified in what they were doing.

Police shouldn't feel threatened for arresting someone who was in possesion of heroin. Just because it's someone famous, doesn't mean they're immune to the law.

I'm sure you people hate it when celebrities get special treatment in court, this is the same thing.

It might be the same thing as that damn mumia abu-jamahl thing.

People are so paranoid that they ignore the actual facts.she wouldnt have had to swallow all those bags of heroin if the cops werent violating her human rights in the first place

aside from all the wealth and high standard of living it really is
OK maybe police brutality is a bit worse in the US. But I really think you should wait for the postmortem results first. I'm sure even in America activists die in custody for a number of reasons!

aside from all the wealth and high standard of living it really is
OK maybe police brutality is a bit worse in the US. But I really think you should wait for the postmortem results first. I'm sure even in America activists die in custody for a number of reasons!yeah the number one reason being to silence them :?--(being in the UK you have no idea how reactionary the cops are in the states--theyre alot worse here)

she wouldnt have had to swallow all those bags of heroin if the cops werent violating her human rights in the first place

"Possesing heroin" is not a human right.

It's against the law, and until that law changes, people, even famous drug activists, especially them, must adhere to that law.

This is not an anarchistic state, so deal with it.

I doubt it somehow. I can't really see a few hippy activists being a major threat to the police. The tiny minority of them who would want to do something like that would be too afraid for their jobs

It's a bit stupid to go making wild assumptions on a case you don't really know that much about. If she was shot several times in the head from point blank range you might have reason to suspect murder. But you don't even know how she died. Wait for the cause of death to be established first. I know this may come as quite a shock to you all, but activists do actually die for reasons other than murder.

anytime someone dies in police custody we should start the murder trial. if somebody is in your custody then you have to make sure they live.

by the way, the autopsy found 6 bags of heroin in her stomach and esophagus. now i may be crazy, but from what i know about the digestive tract is that things do not stay in your esophagus for 29 hours. i believe its more on the order of a few seconds. draw what conclusions you will.

she wouldnt have had to swallow all those bags of heroin if the cops werent violating her human rights in the first place

"Possesing heroin" is not a human right.

It's against the law, and until that law changes, people, even famous drug activists, especially them, must adhere to that law.

This is not an anarchistic state, so deal with it.at one time slavery was the law of the land--would you have favored the cops murdering people who worked for the underground railroad just because it was illegal? when it comes to moral issues people have a duty to break the law--the state has no right to tell people what to do with their own bodies

It's a bit stupid to go making wild assumptions on a case you don't really know that much about. If she was shot several times in the head from point blank range you might have reason to suspect murder. But you don't even know how she died. Wait for the cause of death to be established first. I know this may come as quite a shock to you all, but activists do actually die for reasons other than murder.

anytime someone dies in police custody we should start the murder trial. if somebody is in your custody then you have to make sure they live.

by the way, the autopsy found 6 bags of heroin in her stomach and esophagus. now i may be crazy, but from what i know about the digestive tract is that things do not stay in your esophagus for 29 hours. i believe its more on the order of a few seconds. draw what conclusions you will.

I must admit, that is odd that there are bags in her esophagus.....maybe she choked to death on them?

I'm so confused.

anytime someone dies in police custody we should start the murder trial. if somebody is in your custody then you have to make sure they live.
That's a load of crap I'm afraid. The police aren't miracle workers and can't be expected to keep people alive all the time. There are somtimes that it's impossible to keep someone alive.

I doubt it somehow. I can't really see a few hippy activists being a major threat to the police. The tiny minority of them who would want to do something like that would be too afraid for their jobsin america its almost impossible to convict a cop of breaking the law no matter how obvious their guilt is...only in very rare cases are they ever convicted

she wouldnt have had to swallow all those bags of heroin if the cops werent violating her human rights in the first place

"Possesing heroin" is not a human right.

It's against the law, and until that law changes, people, even famous drug activists, especially them, must adhere to that law.

This is not an anarchistic state, so deal with it.at one time slavery was the law of the land--would you have favored the cops murdering people who worked for the underground railroad just because it was illegal? when it comes to moral issues people have a duty to break the law--the state has no right to tell people what to do with their own bodies

Drugs and slavery are a very different thing.

But you do raise something interesting.

I think, that I would support their arrest of people assisting the underground railroad. The police are there for a reason, and while I do not agree with the policy, they have to do their jobs.

Those people that are doing illegal things must be willing to accept the consequences, whether they are justified in their actions or not.

It's a bit stupid to go making wild assumptions on a case you don't really know that much about. If she was shot several times in the head from point blank range you might have reason to suspect murder. But you don't even know how she died. Wait for the cause of death to be established first. I know this may come as quite a shock to you all, but activists do actually die for reasons other than murder.

anytime someone dies in police custody we should start the murder trial. if somebody is in your custody then you have to make sure they live.

by the way, the autopsy found 6 bags of heroin in her stomach and esophagus. now i may be crazy, but from what i know about the digestive tract is that things do not stay in your esophagus for 29 hours. i believe its more on the order of a few seconds. draw what conclusions you will.

I must admit, that is odd that there are bags in her esophagus.....maybe she choked to death on them?

I'm so confused.your just in denial of the obvious --the cops shoved the bags down her throat

I doubt it somehow. I can't really see a few hippy activists being a major threat to the police. The tiny minority of them who would want to do something like that would be too afraid for their jobs

http://www.unknownnews.net/040220hellocointel.html
red quads are alive and well.

Drugs and slavery are a very different thing.

But you do raise something interesting.

I think, that I would support their arrest of people assisting the underground railroad. The police are there for a reason, and while I do not agree with the policy, they have to do their jobs.

Those people that are doing illegal things must be willing to accept the consequences, whether they are justified in their actions or not.
Exactly. It's the job of the police to enforce the law, whatever that may be. If it was just a case to pick and choosing what laws to follow we'd be living under a state of anarchy.

It's a bit stupid to go making wild assumptions on a case you don't really know that much about. If she was shot several times in the head from point blank range you might have reason to suspect murder. But you don't even know how she died. Wait for the cause of death to be established first. I know this may come as quite a shock to you all, but activists do actually die for reasons other than murder.

anytime someone dies in police custody we should start the murder trial. if somebody is in your custody then you have to make sure they live.

by the way, the autopsy found 6 bags of heroin in her stomach and esophagus. now i may be crazy, but from what i know about the digestive tract is that things do not stay in your esophagus for 29 hours. i believe its more on the order of a few seconds. draw what conclusions you will.

I must admit, that is odd that there are bags in her esophagus.....maybe she choked to death on them?

I'm so confused.your just in denial of the obvious --the cops shoved the bags down her throat

I admitted it was odd, what the hell is wrong with you?

But you can't run around yelling "THE COPS DID IT THE COPS DID IT, SEE SEE, THE COPS DID IT" before they finish the autopsy and other investigation, calm yourself.

You're becoming a fanatic.

Drugs and slavery are a very different thing.

But you do raise something interesting.

I think, that I would support their arrest of people assisting the underground railroad. The police are there for a reason, and while I do not agree with the policy, they have to do their jobs.

Those people that are doing illegal things must be willing to accept the consequences, whether they are justified in their actions or not.
Exactly. It's the job of the police to enforce the law, whatever that may be. If it was just a case to pick and choosing what laws to follow we'd be living under a state of anarchy.I prefer anarchy to a police state

It's a bit stupid to go making wild assumptions on a case you don't really know that much about. If she was shot several times in the head from point blank range you might have reason to suspect murder. But you don't even know how she died. Wait for the cause of death to be established first. I know this may come as quite a shock to you all, but activists do actually die for reasons other than murder.

anytime someone dies in police custody we should start the murder trial. if somebody is in your custody then you have to make sure they live.

by the way, the autopsy found 6 bags of heroin in her stomach and esophagus. now i may be crazy, but from what i know about the digestive tract is that things do not stay in your esophagus for 29 hours. i believe its more on the order of a few seconds. draw what conclusions you will.

I must admit, that is odd that there are bags in her esophagus.....maybe she choked to death on them?

I'm so confused.your just in denial of the obvious --the cops shoved the bags down her throat


whua? :shock:

Drugs and slavery are a very different thing.

But you do raise something interesting.

I think, that I would support their arrest of people assisting the underground railroad. The police are there for a reason, and while I do not agree with the policy, they have to do their jobs.

Those people that are doing illegal things must be willing to accept the consequences, whether they are justified in their actions or not.
Exactly. It's the job of the police to enforce the law, whatever that may be. If it was just a case to pick and choosing what laws to follow we'd be living under a state of anarchy.I prefer anarchy to a police state

I get the feeling you wouldn't survive in anarchy very long.

I must admit, that is odd that there are bags in her esophagus.....maybe she choked to death on them?

I'm so confused.

i find choking to death after being in police custody for over a day implausible to say the least.

a source:
http://www.nbc5.com/news/3354671/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=2265994&dppid=65193
Autopsy: Heroin Killed Woman In Police Custody
Woman Dies While Being Held For Drug Possession

POSTED: 5:06 pm CDT May 27, 2004
UPDATED: 5:49 pm CDT May 27, 2004
CHICAGO -- An investigation into of the death of a 54-year-old woman while in police custody, revealed that May Molina had six bags of heroin in her digestive tract.

Molina was arrested at her home Monday night, where police found 80 bags of the drug.

Molina's family claims the diabetic woman died because she did not receive insulin or medical attention during her 29 hours in custody.

The woman was held in lock-up an extra day due to fingerprinting problems, police News Affairs Director David Bayless said.

"Sometimes you run the fingerprinting and the machine spits it back at you, and you don't get a good print. She missed her initial court appearance because of the fingerprinting difficulties, so we held her until her second court appearance," Bayless said.

Bayless said that Molina had six bags of heroin inside of her esophagus and stomach when she died.

Responding to accusations that police "did not act with proper caution" when arresting Molina, Bayless said there was no way police could have determined that Molina had swallowed the heroin, asking, "Can you see my esophagus?"

Bayless said that he had "no clue" what Molina intended to do with the 80-plus bags of heroin found in her possession when police arrested her. The police had a warrant for her arrest that was based on the suspicion of drug possession.

The Chicago Police Office of Professional Standards was investigating the death on Thursday, Bayless said....

Exactly. It's the job of the police to enforce the law, whatever that may be. If it was just a case to pick and choosing what laws to follow we'd be living under a state of anarchy.I prefer anarchy to a police state
You haven't got any idea of the meaning of police state. If this we lived under police states, it would be a situation where thousands of people would be disappearing in the night and legitimate protest would be met by assault rifle fire. Besides, in a state of anarchy I doubt you'd last long.

As for the 'news' site you showed me, they were probably planning riots.

Exactly. It's the job of the police to enforce the law, whatever that may be. If it was just a case to pick and choosing what laws to follow we'd be living under a state of anarchy.I prefer anarchy to a police state
You haven't got any idea of the meaning of police state. If this we lived under police states, it would be a situation where thousands of people would be disappearing in the night and legitimate protest would be met by assault rifle fire. Besides, in a state of anarchy I doubt you'd last long.

As for the 'news' site you showed me they were probably planning riots.

AND, you wouldnt be able to say the stuff you do on NS :)

Well, umm.........did the police have a search warrant?

Right now I just want to figure out if they were justified in arresting her.

Exactly. It's the job of the police to enforce the law, whatever that may be. If it was just a case to pick and choosing what laws to follow we'd be living under a state of anarchy.I prefer anarchy to a police state
You haven't got any idea of the meaning of police state. If this we lived under police states, it would be a situation where thousands of people would be disappearing in the night and legitimate protest would be met by assault rifle fire. Besides, in a state of anarchy I doubt you'd last long.

As for the 'news' site you showed me, they were probably planning riots.90% of riots are cause by police provocations

Exactly. It's the job of the police to enforce the law, whatever that may be. If it was just a case to pick and choosing what laws to follow we'd be living under a state of anarchy.I prefer anarchy to a police state
You haven't got any idea of the meaning of police state. If this we lived under police states, it would be a situation where thousands of people would be disappearing in the night and legitimate protest would be met by assault rifle fire. Besides, in a state of anarchy I doubt you'd last long.

As for the 'news' site you showed me, they were probably planning riots.90% of riots are cause by police provocations :lol:

you're funny

Exactly. It's the job of the police to enforce the law, whatever that may be. If it was just a case to pick and choosing what laws to follow we'd be living under a state of anarchy.I prefer anarchy to a police state
You haven't got any idea of the meaning of police state. If this we lived under police states, it would be a situation where thousands of people would be disappearing in the night and legitimate protest would be met by assault rifle fire. Besides, in a state of anarchy I doubt you'd last long.

As for the 'news' site you showed me they were probably planning riots.

AND, you wouldnt be able to say the stuff you do on NS :)theres no cops here

Yes, of course they are. And 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

AND, you wouldnt be able to say the stuff you do on NS :)theres no cops hereThat's because the site would be shut down for any dissenting opinions.

Exactly. It's the job of the police to enforce the law, whatever that may be. If it was just a case to pick and choosing what laws to follow we'd be living under a state of anarchy.I prefer anarchy to a police state
You haven't got any idea of the meaning of police state. If this we lived under police states, it would be a situation where thousands of people would be disappearing in the night and legitimate protest would be met by assault rifle fire. Besides, in a state of anarchy I doubt you'd last long.

As for the 'news' site you showed me they were probably planning riots.

AND, you wouldnt be able to say the stuff you do on NS :)theres no cops here

oh, but dont we live in a police state? dont the mods know your ip address? if we did live in a police state this site wouldnt even exist.

Big Brother is watching you.

Big Brother is watching you.

through your moniter! :shock:

Time to shower and go to work.

I'm glad there's a form of police there, since we handle a lot of money, and I don't really feel like getting shot.

Time to shower and go to work.

I'm glad there's a form of police there, since we handle a lot of money, and I don't really feel like getting shot.
Exactly. Nobody pretends that the police are perfect, but we're a hell of a lot better off than we would be without them.

Time to shower and go to work.

I'm glad there's a form of police there, since we handle a lot of money, and I don't really feel like getting shot.
Exactly. Nobody pretends that the police are perfect, but we're a hell of a lot better off than we would be without them.

fucking anarchists

Drugs and slavery are a very different thing.

But you do raise something interesting.

I think, that I would support their arrest of people assisting the underground railroad. The police are there for a reason, and while I do not agree with the policy, they have to do their jobs.

Those people that are doing illegal things must be willing to accept the consequences, whether they are justified in their actions or not.
Exactly. It's the job of the police to enforce the law, whatever that may be. If it was just a case to pick and choosing what laws to follow we'd be living under a state of anarchy.I prefer anarchy to a police state

I get the feeling you wouldn't survive in anarchy very long.LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!

Drugs and slavery are a very different thing.

But you do raise something interesting.

I think, that I would support their arrest of people assisting the underground railroad. The police are there for a reason, and while I do not agree with the policy, they have to do their jobs.

Those people that are doing illegal things must be willing to accept the consequences, whether they are justified in their actions or not.
Exactly. It's the job of the police to enforce the law, whatever that may be. If it was just a case to pick and choosing what laws to follow we'd be living under a state of anarchy.I prefer anarchy to a police state

I get the feeling you wouldn't survive in anarchy very long.LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!

Haha, I love liberal-socialist-anarchist wackos... you guys crack me up! Better than a comedy club. Don't you know that only you and a few fringe wackos take you seriously? Hahahaha... thanks for the laughs.

Drugs and slavery are a very different thing.

But you do raise something interesting.

I think, that I would support their arrest of people assisting the underground railroad. The police are there for a reason, and while I do not agree with the policy, they have to do their jobs.

Those people that are doing illegal things must be willing to accept the consequences, whether they are justified in their actions or not.
Exactly. It's the job of the police to enforce the law, whatever that may be. If it was just a case to pick and choosing what laws to follow we'd be living under a state of anarchy.I prefer anarchy to a police state

I get the feeling you wouldn't survive in anarchy very long.LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!

Haha, I love liberal-socialist-anarchist wackos... you guys crack me up! Better than a comedy club. Don't you know that only you and a few fringe wackos take you seriously? Hahahaha... thanks for the laughs. some people to break down into fits of laughter as all the stresses and strains of their oppressive illusions are smashed with the iron fist of truth

It's a bit stupid to go making wild assumptions on a case you don't really know that much about. If she was shot several times in the head from point blank range you might have reason to suspect murder. But you don't even know how she died. Wait for the cause of death to be established first. I know this may come as quite a shock to you all, but activists do actually die for reasons other than murder.

Yes, let's look at what we know. She was a well-respected and ardent advocate for fair treatment for all under the law. She had a whole range of health problems which required medication. She was confined to a wheelchair. The police raided her house and, literally, dragged her to jail. Her friends and relatives and her lawyer all saw her and told the police she was very ill and needed her medication. The police refused to give it to her (or her wheelchair, for that matter). There is no proof other than a leaked report by the coroner's office (not an official statement, mind you, but a leaked report) that she was involved with heroin in any way, let alone capable of swallowing six bags of it and leaving "many more" scattered around her house.

Activists do die for other reasons than murder. You're right. And this is what happened in this case. The woman died because she was refused her medications. Under law, the police had a responsibility to provide for her safety. The fact that they willfully denied her the drugs she needed to live is criminal, particularly when they have yet to produce any charges for her arrest in the first place.

anytime someone dies in police custody we should start the murder trial. if somebody is in your custody then you have to make sure they live.
That's a load of crap I'm afraid. The police aren't miracle workers and can't be expected to keep people alive all the time. There are somtimes that it's impossible to keep someone alive.

yes, and it is up to the police to prove that they did all that they possibly could and then some. neglegence is both wrong and standard police practice.

Sounds fishy to me, but just because she's an activist doesn't mean she doesn't have faults of her own.

Sounds fishy to me, but just because she's an activist doesn't mean she doesn't have faults of her own.everyone has faults but thats no reason to advocate having jackbooted terrorists for the state murder them

Sounds fishy to me, but just because she's an activist doesn't mean she doesn't have faults of her own.everyone has faults but thats no reason to advocate having jackbooted terrorists for the state murder them
That's completely ridicuous. Police aren't jackbooted terrorists. Most of them are decent people who want what's best for their communities.

Sounds fishy to me, but just because she's an activist doesn't mean she doesn't have faults of her own.everyone has faults but thats no reason to advocate having jackbooted terrorists for the state murder them

You know, you raise a good point and then you make some crack-pot statement like "jackbooted terrorists for the state" and thereby destroy the rationality of your original intent. Get some perspective, TRA. What happened was wrong, but it's not the same thing.

Sounds fishy to me, but just because she's an activist doesn't mean she doesn't have faults of her own.everyone has faults but thats no reason to advocate having jackbooted terrorists for the state murder them
That's completely ridicuous. Police aren't jackbooted terrorists. Most of them are decent people who want what's best for their communities.yeah most arent but even the good cops cover up the crimes of the bad ones