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Now I know that we all like to make make fun of those fat (evem obese) Yanks. However a severe shift has taken place. Can we still make fun of the Yanks when one in four men, one in five women and something like one in seven children are clinically obese on our fair isle? The other day a three year old ( :shock: ) died from complications caused by obesity. When our children are "choking on there own fat"* can we enjoy one of our favoured national sport, complaining about the fat Yanks?

So, brothers and sisters, i beseach you. We must come up with a plan so we can once again laugh at the fat yanks. Starting today we must start sponsoring a fat man. It will take a collective effort to restore our pride, and the government has proved itself incapable of that. We must do this, we can't complain about the weather all the time now can we.





*quotation; Dr. Sheila McKenzie. Royal London Hospital.

Although we haven't got an obesity problem on the same scale as Houston (World's Fattest People TM), it's still pretty bad over here. My French ex commented on this, particularly with regards to the women.

I'm quite happy to mock both nations equally. My misanthropy is blind to nationality...

Thank you for at least raising the question, Concept. I posted a thread about this the other day and Tactical Grace tried to make it sound like America was some how responsible for the world's obesity problem. I'll admit we're doing a lot of terrible things right now, but forcing EU citizens to make poor dietary choices isn't one of them.

Thank you for at least raising the question, Concept. I posted a thread about this the other day and Tactical Grace tried to make it sound like America was some how responsible for the world's obesity problem. I'll admit we're doing a lot of terrible things right now, but forcing EU citizens to make poor dietary choices isn't one of them.

Sponsor a fat man? You mean give him money for being fat? No, you need to laugh at fat men. Say, "Look at that fat ba*tard. No way anyone's gonna sh*g him." and then punch him. Then maybe he'll think about losing weight.

I'm not taking collective effort in anything, nor do I want the govt to "fix" the fat problem 'cause they ain't good at fixing stuff. I don't give a monkeys how fat the rest of Britain is except the fact it means I might have to settle for a fat bird when it gets to quarter to three.

Message to all the fat people: "You're fat. Don't give us that "comfortable with my weight" garbage, we know you're not. We don't care about your "wonderful personality" because looking at you makes us sick. Lose some weight you fat slob. It's not hard to eat fruit instead of chocolate and do a little exercise."

Thank you for at least raising the question, Concept. I posted a thread about this the other day and Tactical Grace tried to make it sound like America was some how responsible for the world's obesity problem. I'll admit we're doing a lot of terrible things right now, but forcing EU citizens to make poor dietary choices isn't one of them.

I think it's more of a Western problem, largely to do with the consumer culture and an excess of produce. A lot of people simply don't appear to have any control, which is all the more contemptible and dismaying given the food shortages in so much of the rest of the world.

Thank you for at least raising the question, Concept. I posted a thread about this the other day and Tactical Grace tried to make it sound like America was some how responsible for the world's obesity problem. I'll admit we're doing a lot of terrible things right now, but forcing EU citizens to make poor dietary choices isn't one of them.

I think it's more of a Western problem, largely to do with the consumer culture and an excess of produce. A lot of people simply don't appear to have any control, which is all the more contemptible and dismaying given the food shortages in so much of the rest of the world.

Exactly. I certainly agree that something is out of whack with Western culture when we are litterally eating ourselves to death while others are starving. But it's a "Western Culture" thing, not an "American Culture" thing and Tactical Grace trying to link the two stuck in my craw. It seemed like more pointless America Baiting and I had just thought Tactical Grace was better than that.

Thank you for at least raising the question, Concept. I posted a thread about this the other day and Tactical Grace tried to make it sound like America was some how responsible for the world's obesity problem. I'll admit we're doing a lot of terrible things right now, but forcing EU citizens to make poor dietary choices isn't one of them.

I think it's more of a Western problem, largely to do with the consumer culture and an excess of produce. A lot of people simply don't appear to have any control, which is all the more contemptible and dismaying given the food shortages in so much of the rest of the world.
It's not a problem for western society, it's a problem for fat people. Our "consumer society" produces organic veg and exercise bikes as well as McDonald's hamburgers. It's just some fat slobs buy McDonalds instead of Melons. Seriously, stop pandering to them by blaming "the market" or "society". It's their own fault. Tell them "You're too fat and you make me sick. Do something about it." You've got to be cruel to be kind.

It's not a problem for western society, it's a problem for fat people. Our "consumer society" produces organic veg and exercise bikes as well as McDonald's hamburgers. It's just some fat slobs buy McDonalds instead of Melons. Seriously, stop pandering to them by blaming "the market" or "society". It's their own fault. Tell them "You're too fat and you make me sick. Do something about it." You've got to be cruel to be kind.

Then why are there more fat people now than ever?

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i think its just because people want to buy cheaper food.. and the companies who make cheaper food often do so by using cheaper foods that coincedentally make us fat.
corn syrup, frying things for taste, salt, and the list goes on...

Then why are there more fat people now than ever?


That's actually a really good question and the whole point. It's not going to solve the problem of obesity by pointing fingers at fat people. We have to figure out why Western Society has produced such a huge number of people who lack control.

Sponsor a fat man? You mean give him money for being fat? No, you need to laugh at fat men. Say, "Look at that fat ba*tard. No way anyone's gonna sh*g him." and then punch him. Then maybe he'll think about losing weight.


Sorry I meant that. My mistake that it wasn't clearer. (I thought only me and some of my friends were that heartless)

And the collective effort thing was a joke too, but it would all be for a good cause. We could all laugh at the yanks again. (btw, I know they have the fattest city, but has any American died at age 3 because of obesity?).

I agree with Avia, it is because of cheap food. And also with whoever mentioned the fault of the the person for not bying an exercise bike that our modern world has created. Ultimatley, the fault lies on the individual (imo) except in a few cases, one I have already mentioned. In which case I blame the parents.

It's not a problem for western society, it's a problem for fat people. Our "consumer society" produces organic veg and exercise bikes as well as McDonald's hamburgers. It's just some fat slobs buy McDonalds instead of Melons. Seriously, stop pandering to them by blaming "the market" or "society". It's their own fault. Tell them "You're too fat and you make me sick. Do something about it." You've got to be cruel to be kind.

Then why are there more fat people now than ever?

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There are many reasons. The underlying one is that it's a primal human instinct to eat food whenever we see it. It helped our Stone Age ancestors to survive. However, that alone doesn't make us fat. For one, more food is being produced in the past 100 years, making it cheaper. At the same time, incomes have steadily grown in the past 100 years, meaning less money can be spent on more food. And finally, physical labor isn't a requirement of society that it once was. It's now done by cars, robotic arms, forklifts, and other machines, driving man to a sedentary lifestyle of managing those machines.

As long as the statistics say we are less fat, fair play. 8)

As long as the statistics say we are less fat, fair play. 8)

Because it is OK for three year olds to die of obesity right. Did this ever happen in America?

Sponsor a fat man? You mean give him money for being fat? No, you need to laugh at fat men. Say, "Look at that fat ba*tard. No way anyone's gonna sh*g him." and then punch him. Then maybe he'll think about losing weight.

I'm not taking collective effort in anything, nor do I want the govt to "fix" the fat problem 'cause they ain't good at fixing stuff. I don't give a monkeys how fat the rest of Britain is except the fact it means I might have to settle for a fat bird when it gets to quarter to three.

Message to all the fat people: "You're fat. Don't give us that "comfortable with my weight" garbage, we know you're not. We don't care about your "wonderful personality" because looking at you makes us sick. Lose some weight you fat slob. It's not hard to eat fruit instead of chocolate and do a little exercise."

You prat

given that there is evidence that some of these people suffer from a genetic problem...

This problem is one where the chemical signals telling you that you are 'full' do not work.

Seems to me that you need to get over your prejuidices.

When people were evolving it must have been of real survival value if they were able to overeat when food was available and to put on fat. That would last 'em through the hard times.

Trouble is that for people of the Western world, there aren't any hard times any longer.

When was the last time you went for 24 hours without food?

Same with fat. We are 'programmed' to like fat because those who liked it more than others had a real survival advantage.

We blame the US for starting this sodding 'Fast Food' business.

We blame the US for starting this sodding 'Fast Food' business.

Why not blame the people who actually buy it? If there wasn't a demand, there wouldn't be a supply...

We blame the US for starting this sodding 'Fast Food' business.

Well you might....I blame the Romans...

We blame the US for starting this sodding 'Fast Food' business.

You should blame the consumer. It's like those recent waves of law suits against McDonalds in the US for making their children fat. It's not the complanys fault for producing the goods, and trying to make a living it's the consumers who's responsible for actually buying the product knowing that it contains fatty substances. A large part may also be inactivity. An example could be Bob goes to work, he eats lunch at a diner, and comes back home to eat dinner. Then he goes to the TV, and watches american football, or goes on the computer for hours on end. blah.

I blame modern Technology.

now that Kids have video games, they sit around on their asses all day getting fat and not doing anything.
Not that long ago, when people in the U.S. did not have video games, people actually went outside to have fun.

Let's compare.

Computer, Playstation, XBox, Gamecube, all other Nintendos, or game thingys + playing for hours on end = FAT FAT FAT

as to.

Going outside, Baseball Riding bikes, ALL OTHER SPORTS AND OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES = NOT FAT

We blame the US for starting this sodding 'Fast Food' business.
Why not blame the people who actually buy it? If there wasn't a demand, there wouldn't be a supply...
Supply often creates demand. :wink:

We blame the US for starting this sodding 'Fast Food' business.
Why not blame the people who actually buy it? If there wasn't a demand, there wouldn't be a supply...
Supply often creates demand. :wink:
Holy crap....I KNOW this is DEFINATLY not true...

I epronally blame it on people living in citys and having fast food.

Where I live (Wharfedale) I know of one person who is overweight and thats because of a glandular problem. I mean I'm not overweight my freinds arn't overweight, but I have a Gamecube and i eat Fast food (About 1 a month). It's all in perportion and exacise. If they made it cupolcery to run a mile to get to school/chase a sheep/play a rugby game every day, (Things that I do) then I guess their wouldn't be so many fat people.

Pfft. So much of marketing and economics is bullsh*tting. You can look at things any way you want. It's more an art, rather than a science.

Pfft. So much of marketing and economics is bullsh*tting. You can look at things any way you want. It's more an art, rather than a science.
so what you were saying was B.S.

So you didn't have an answer?

Pfft. So much of marketing and economics is bullsh*tting. You can look at things any way you want. It's more an art, rather than a science.
so what you were saying was B.S.

So you didn't have an answer?
No, what I'm saying is, there is no single way of looking at things in marketing and economics. It is all open to interpretation.

Pfft. So much of marketing and economics is bullsh*tting. You can look at things any way you want. It's more an art, rather than a science.
so what you were saying was B.S.

So you didn't have an answer?
No, what I'm saying is, there is no single way of looking at things in marketing and economics. It is all open to interpretation.

Buy low.

Sell high.


HA!

Pfft. So much of marketing and economics is bullsh*tting. You can look at things any way you want. It's more an art, rather than a science.
so what you were saying was B.S.

So you didn't have an answer?
No, what I'm saying is, there is no single way of looking at things in marketing and economics. It is all open to interpretation.
I have to agree with TG on this one.

I blame modern Technology.
I blame the people with big enough waste lines to fit two normal people in to.

Seriously, there is no way they didn't notice that they couldn't fit in to that pair of jeans any more: There's plenty of low-fat alternatives available (instead of buying a multi-pack of crisps, but a bag of carrots), but they carry on eating chips etc.

Years of McDonalds lawsuits failed to do what Morgan Spurlock did.

He took it for the team, and McDonalds suffered like a bitch for it. :D

Sponsor a fat man? You mean give him money for being fat? No, you need to laugh at fat men. Say, "Look at that fat ba*tard. No way anyone's gonna sh*g him." and then punch him. Then maybe he'll think about losing weight.

I'm not taking collective effort in anything, nor do I want the govt to "fix" the fat problem 'cause they ain't good at fixing stuff. I don't give a monkeys how fat the rest of Britain is except the fact it means I might have to settle for a fat bird when it gets to quarter to three.

Message to all the fat people: "You're fat. Don't give us that "comfortable with my weight" garbage, we know you're not. We don't care about your "wonderful personality" because looking at you makes us sick. Lose some weight you fat slob. It's not hard to eat fruit instead of chocolate and do a little exercise."

You prat

given that there is evidence that some of these people suffer from a genetic problem...

This problem is one where the chemical signals telling you that you are 'full' do not work.

Seems to me that you need to get over your prejuidices.
So? They still choose to eat too much. People have to take responsibility for their choices and by denying them responsibility you just ensure they'll never learn.

Sponsor a fat man? You mean give him money for being fat? No, you need to laugh at fat men. Say, "Look at that fat ba*tard. No way anyone's gonna sh*g him." and then punch him. Then maybe he'll think about losing weight.

I'm not taking collective effort in anything, nor do I want the govt to "fix" the fat problem 'cause they ain't good at fixing stuff. I don't give a monkeys how fat the rest of Britain is except the fact it means I might have to settle for a fat bird when it gets to quarter to three.

Message to all the fat people: "You're fat. Don't give us that "comfortable with my weight" garbage, we know you're not. We don't care about your "wonderful personality" because looking at you makes us sick. Lose some weight you fat slob. It's not hard to eat fruit instead of chocolate and do a little exercise."

You prat

given that there is evidence that some of these people suffer from a genetic problem...

This problem is one where the chemical signals telling you that you are 'full' do not work.

Seems to me that you need to get over your prejuidices.
So? They still choose to eat too much. People have to take responsibility for their choices and by denying them responsibility you just ensure they'll never learn.

Are you actually capable of comprehending what I had written? No.

Some of these people DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE.

Idiot.

Sponsor a fat man? You mean give him money for being fat? No, you need to laugh at fat men. Say, "Look at that fat ba*tard. No way anyone's gonna sh*g him." and then punch him. Then maybe he'll think about losing weight.

I'm not taking collective effort in anything, nor do I want the govt to "fix" the fat problem 'cause they ain't good at fixing stuff. I don't give a monkeys how fat the rest of Britain is except the fact it means I might have to settle for a fat bird when it gets to quarter to three.

Message to all the fat people: "You're fat. Don't give us that "comfortable with my weight" garbage, we know you're not. We don't care about your "wonderful personality" because looking at you makes us sick. Lose some weight you fat slob. It's not hard to eat fruit instead of chocolate and do a little exercise."

You prat

given that there is evidence that some of these people suffer from a genetic problem...

This problem is one where the chemical signals telling you that you are 'full' do not work.

Seems to me that you need to get over your prejuidices.
So? They still choose to eat too much. People have to take responsibility for their choices and by denying them responsibility you just ensure they'll never learn.

Are you actually capable of comprehending what I had written? No.

Some of these people DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE.

Idiot.
Of course they do. You're not forced to "do what your genes tell you", you always have a choice. If criminality is genetic it doesn't mean everyone with that gene will commit a crime even if they tend to do so more. People are not robots. For example, just because you have the "stupid" gene doesn't mean you have to inflict it on us. BTW, have I touched a nerve here? Is Vonners ruled by a fat man?

Sponsor a fat man? You mean give him money for being fat? No, you need to laugh at fat men. Say, "Look at that fat ba*tard. No way anyone's gonna sh*g him." and then punch him. Then maybe he'll think about losing weight.

I'm not taking collective effort in anything, nor do I want the govt to "fix" the fat problem 'cause they ain't good at fixing stuff. I don't give a monkeys how fat the rest of Britain is except the fact it means I might have to settle for a fat bird when it gets to quarter to three.

Message to all the fat people: "You're fat. Don't give us that "comfortable with my weight" garbage, we know you're not. We don't care about your "wonderful personality" because looking at you makes us sick. Lose some weight you fat slob. It's not hard to eat fruit instead of chocolate and do a little exercise."

You prat

given that there is evidence that some of these people suffer from a genetic problem...

This problem is one where the chemical signals telling you that you are 'full' do not work.

Seems to me that you need to get over your prejuidices.
So? They still choose to eat too much. People have to take responsibility for their choices and by denying them responsibility you just ensure they'll never learn.

Are you actually capable of comprehending what I had written? No.

Some of these people DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE.

Idiot.
Of course they do. You're not forced to "do what your genes tell you", you always have a choice. If criminality is genetic it doesn't mean everyone with that gene will commit a crime even if they tend to do so more. People are not robots. For example, just because you have the "stupid" gene doesn't mean you have to inflict it on us. BTW, have I touched a nerve here? Is Vonners ruled by a fat man?

purlease..no I am not 'fat'...I just have a problem with morons like yourself.

You are forced to do what your genes carry.

You gonna tell me that a person with MS (multiple sclerosis) is just gonna decide...right! Thats it...I am not gonna suffer this disease anymore?

Well, I'm not fat. I'm just above underweight. If I was to be one or two inches taller I would be underweight.

Sponsor a fat man? You mean give him money for being fat? No, you need to laugh at fat men. Say, "Look at that fat ba*tard. No way anyone's gonna sh*g him." and then punch him. Then maybe he'll think about losing weight.

I'm not taking collective effort in anything, nor do I want the govt to "fix" the fat problem 'cause they ain't good at fixing stuff. I don't give a monkeys how fat the rest of Britain is except the fact it means I might have to settle for a fat bird when it gets to quarter to three.

Message to all the fat people: "You're fat. Don't give us that "comfortable with my weight" garbage, we know you're not. We don't care about your "wonderful personality" because looking at you makes us sick. Lose some weight you fat slob. It's not hard to eat fruit instead of chocolate and do a little exercise."

You prat

given that there is evidence that some of these people suffer from a genetic problem...

This problem is one where the chemical signals telling you that you are 'full' do not work.

Seems to me that you need to get over your prejuidices.
So? They still choose to eat too much. People have to take responsibility for their choices and by denying them responsibility you just ensure they'll never learn.

Are you actually capable of comprehending what I had written? No.

Some of these people DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE.

Idiot.
Of course they do. You're not forced to "do what your genes tell you", you always have a choice. If criminality is genetic it doesn't mean everyone with that gene will commit a crime even if they tend to do so more. People are not robots. For example, just because you have the "stupid" gene doesn't mean you have to inflict it on us. BTW, have I touched a nerve here? Is Vonners ruled by a fat man?

purlease..no I am not 'fat'...I just have a problem with morons like yourself.

You are forced to do what your genes carry.

You gonna tell me that a person with MS (multiple sclerosis) is just gonna decide...right! Thats it...I am not gonna suffer this disease anymore?
There's a difference between a voluntary action and an involuntary disease. Was Hitler genetically forced to murder Jews? No. Even if he had some sort of evil gene he could still have chosen not to be evil. Fat people choose to eat too much.

As an example take David Blane or a hunger striker. They feel hunger same as us and no doubt they are genetically disposed to eat food. But they can still go without eating IF THEY CHOOSE.

Being fat isn't a disease it's a consequence of your chosen lifestyle.

There's a difference between a voluntary action and an involuntary disease. Was Hitler genetically forced to murder Jews? No. Even if he had some sort of evil gene he could still have chosen not to be evil. Fat people choose to eat too much.

As an example take David Blane or a hunger striker. They feel hunger same as us and no doubt they are genetically disposed to eat food. But they can still go without eating IF THEY CHOOSE.

Being fat isn't a disease it's a consequence of your chosen lifestyle.

This is a joke. Did I not say earlier that some people who are obese are such due to their genetic makeup? Yes I did.

If you cannot keep the basic premise of my statement in your mind then there really is no point in continuing with this discussion as it is obvious that you have not the ability to communicate effectively.

I find it amusing that you bring up Hitler. There are some that say that once Hitler is brought up in a subject such as this the arguement is lost. However I do not subscribe to that. Not in this case as I admit I was wondering who would bring up facism first.

Your example of the hunger strikers is a fallacy as they have made a conscious decision not to eat.

Now to bring this to a conclusion. You made a statement that was black and white...All fat people need to be laughed at....loose some weight you fat slob....

Well as with most things life does not work that way. But as you have as much ability for critical thought as say a mollusc I am not surprised at your hate filled rant.

Guess some big fat guy must have made a fool of you. Well don't take it too hard....it's bound to happen to you again.

There's a difference between a voluntary action and an involuntary disease. Was Hitler genetically forced to murder Jews? No. Even if he had some sort of evil gene he could still have chosen not to be evil. Fat people choose to eat too much.

As an example take David Blane or a hunger striker. They feel hunger same as us and no doubt they are genetically disposed to eat food. But they can still go without eating IF THEY CHOOSE.

Being fat isn't a disease it's a consequence of your chosen lifestyle.

This is a joke. Did I not say earlier that some people who are obese are such due to their genetic makeup? Yes I did.

If you cannot keep the basic premise of my statement in your mind then there really is no point in continuing with this discussion as it is obvious that you have not the ability to communicate effectively.

I find it amusing that you bring up Hitler. There are some that say that once Hitler is brought up in a subject such as this the arguement is lost. However I do not subscribe to that. Not in this case as I admit I was wondering who would bring up facism first.

Your example of the hunger strikers is a fallacy as they have made a conscious decision not to eat.

Now to bring this to a conclusion. You made a statement that was black and white...All fat people need to be laughed at....loose some weight you fat slob....

Well as with most things life does not work that way. But as you have as much ability for critical thought as say a mollusc I am not surprised at your hate filled rant.

Guess some big fat guy must have made a fool of you. Well don't take it too hard....it's bound to happen to you again.
Let me see if I understand what you're saying. If somebody is genetically disposed to an action then it is 100% guaranteed that they will perform that action? If that is not what you are saying then you admit that having a gene that disposes you to eat more does not mean that you will do so and that they chose to eat too much. If that is what you are saying then you are clearly and evidently wrong.

There's a difference between a voluntary action and an involuntary disease. Was Hitler genetically forced to murder Jews? No. Even if he had some sort of evil gene he could still have chosen not to be evil. Fat people choose to eat too much.

As an example take David Blane or a hunger striker. They feel hunger same as us and no doubt they are genetically disposed to eat food. But they can still go without eating IF THEY CHOOSE.

Being fat isn't a disease it's a consequence of your chosen lifestyle.

This is a joke. Did I not say earlier that some people who are obese are such due to their genetic makeup? Yes I did.

If you cannot keep the basic premise of my statement in your mind then there really is no point in continuing with this discussion as it is obvious that you have not the ability to communicate effectively.

I find it amusing that you bring up Hitler. There are some that say that once Hitler is brought up in a subject such as this the arguement is lost. However I do not subscribe to that. Not in this case as I admit I was wondering who would bring up facism first.

Your example of the hunger strikers is a fallacy as they have made a conscious decision not to eat.

Now to bring this to a conclusion. You made a statement that was black and white...All fat people need to be laughed at....loose some weight you fat slob....

Well as with most things life does not work that way. But as you have as much ability for critical thought as say a mollusc I am not surprised at your hate filled rant.

Guess some big fat guy must have made a fool of you. Well don't take it too hard....it's bound to happen to you again.
Let me see if I understand what you're saying. If somebody is genetically disposed to an action then it is 100% guaranteed that they will perform that action? If that is not what you are saying then you admit that having a gene that disposes you to eat more does not mean that you will do so and that they chose to eat too much. If that is what you are saying then you are clearly and evidently wrong.

LOLOL nice try at turning this around but it will not wash.

You made the black and white statement. I used that as a part of the criteria to debate.

You are now trying to say that this not black and white...contrary to your earlier statement.

But the real problem here is that you are trying to put the onus of 'black & white' on me. Nope. For this debate to go forward you will have to re asses your original statement.

I'll be here....

Let me see if I understand what you're saying. If somebody is genetically disposed to an action then it is 100% guaranteed that they will perform that action? If that is not what you are saying then you admit that having a gene that disposes you to eat more does not mean that you will do so and that they chose to eat too much. If that is what you are saying then you are clearly and evidently wrong.

There is no hormone that shuts off hunger for those with that type of obesity. It's a terrible, terrible disease...

Imagine you're hungry. So...you have your lunch...except once you've finished your lunch you still feel like you haven't eaten for days...so you eat some more. How much food is in your stomach notwithstanding, you are dying of starvation every moment you're not eating. If you shut off that hormone in a lab rat, it will quite literally eat itself straight to death right before your eyes.

I now issue an ultimatum on that: Either concede that that form of obesity is irresistable without stomach stapling, or hunger strike until I concede that you're right. But I warn you, I can be a stubborn man.