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It won't last, of course, and it's a silly little online poll, but for right now, John Kerry leads George Bush 63% to 36%. (http://www.hannity.com/?rd=73&vo=73) On Hannity's very own site. Oh, if only I knew how to take a screen shot to savor the irony. :lol:

I'll bet you a dollar that Hannity orders it removed.

Hes also a liar, you know..along with O Reilly.

yeah online polls can't be considered overly accurate :D

Interesting to note that John Howard is getting taken to pieces by more official polls.

If Bush, Howard and what ever the hell that british guys called all lose the next election, I think that would be pretty solid proof that they're countries didn't want war. I think Bush has the best chance of getting in again out of the three due to the US's decidedly dodgy voting system.

who was it telling me, "the election is not for another 6 months, you'll go crazy if you follow the polls, this far out it doesn't mean anything, etc..."

I forgot to add--GO TORTURE SEAN HANNITY!!!!!!

He'll appreciate the joke, I'm sure of it. :lol:

The thing is....

Hannity....an employee of Fox News......the most Conservatively biased news program on the airwaves.....has a poll....where the liberal democrat is beating Bush.


That says quite a bit.

It won't last, of course, and it's a silly little online poll, but for right now, John Kerry leads George Bush 63% to 36%. (http://www.hannity.com/?rd=73&vo=73) On Hannity's very own site. Oh, if only I knew how to take a screen shot to savor the irony. :lol:

Neat.

who was it telling me, "the election is not for another 6 months, you'll go crazy if you follow the polls, this far out it doesn't mean anything, etc..."Dude--it's a joke. It's a perfect example of why internet polls mean less than the square root of jack shit.

http://img50.photobucket.com/albums/v152/doujincorp/hannity.jpg

Screenshot ><

who was it telling me, "the election is not for another 6 months, you'll go crazy if you follow the polls, this far out it doesn't mean anything, etc..."
To be fair, he acknowdges that not only will that lead not last, but is only interested in the irony of such a lead on a conservative hosts site. He didn't imply that it indicated anything else.

who was it telling me, "the election is not for another 6 months, you'll go crazy if you follow the polls, this far out it doesn't mean anything, etc..."

A) your math sucks.. it's 5 months..lol :P

B) If the election were held today Gallup polls showed that Kerry would slaughter, yes, slaughter Bush in the Electorial College vote.

I see no where for Bush to go from here but down! If I wasn't an athiest.. I'd thank the Gods.. ;)

ahhh snap!

im buying this tomorrow!!

http://www.conservativebookservice.com/bookimages/43/c6243_full.jpg

who was it telling me, "the election is not for another 6 months, you'll go crazy if you follow the polls, this far out it doesn't mean anything, etc..."

A) your math sucks.. it's 5 months..lol :P

B) If the election were held today Gallup polls showed that Kerry would slaughter, yes, slaughter Bush in the Electorial College vote.

I see no where for Bush to go from here but down! If I wasn't an athiest.. I'd thank the Gods.. ;)
wait 5 months...

just wait until Kerry pulls his Dukakis like stunt

who was it telling me, "the election is not for another 6 months, you'll go crazy if you follow the polls, this far out it doesn't mean anything, etc..."

A) your math sucks.. it's 5 months..lol :P

B) If the election were held today Gallup polls showed that Kerry would slaughter, yes, slaughter Bush in the Electorial College vote.

I see no where for Bush to go from here but down! If I wasn't an athiest.. I'd thank the Gods.. ;)

*Does the frickin happy dance*

who was it telling me, "the election is not for another 6 months, you'll go crazy if you follow the polls, this far out it doesn't mean anything, etc..."

A) your math sucks.. it's 5 months..lol :P

B) If the election were held today Gallup polls showed that Kerry would slaughter, yes, slaughter Bush in the Electorial College vote.

I see no where for Bush to go from here but down! If I wasn't an athiest.. I'd thank the Gods.. ;)
wait 5 months...

just wait until Kerry pulls his Dukakis like stunt

Well, that's about your only hope..for Kerry to mess up big time.. it's not like Bush has a record he can run on. Your best hope is Kerry messes up.. I have a feeling it's NOT going to happen. Buh Bye Neo-Cons :)

who was it telling me, "the election is not for another 6 months, you'll go crazy if you follow the polls, this far out it doesn't mean anything, etc..."

A) your math sucks.. it's 5 months..lol :P

B) If the election were held today Gallup polls showed that Kerry would slaughter, yes, slaughter Bush in the Electorial College vote.

I see no where for Bush to go from here but down! If I wasn't an athiest.. I'd thank the Gods.. ;)
wait 5 months...

just wait until Kerry pulls his Dukakis like stunt

Well, that's about your only hope..for Kerry to mess up big time.. it's not like Bush has a record he can run on. Your best hope is Kerry messes up.. I have a feeling it's NOT going to happen. Buh Bye Neo-Cons :)

I doubt that would even matter. Kerry isn't going to get votes because he's good, he's going to get votes because it's a 2 party winner take all system and the other guy is a complete plonker.

I doubt that would even matter. Kerry isn't going to get votes because he's good, he's going to get votes because it's a 2 party winner take all system and the other guy is a complete plonker.Sometimes, though, in very rare cases, that's enough. This is one of those cases.

I doubt that would even matter. Kerry isn't going to get votes because he's good, he's going to get votes because it's a 2 party winner take all system and the other guy is a complete plonker.

Whatever works ;)

who was it telling me, "the election is not for another 6 months, you'll go crazy if you follow the polls, this far out it doesn't mean anything, etc..."

A) your math sucks.. it's 5 months..lol :P

B) If the election were held today Gallup polls showed that Kerry would slaughter, yes, slaughter Bush in the Electorial College vote.

I see no where for Bush to go from here but down! If I wasn't an athiest.. I'd thank the Gods.. ;)
wait 5 months...

just wait until Kerry pulls his Dukakis like stunt

Well, that's about your only hope..for Kerry to mess up big time.. it's not like Bush has a record he can run on. Your best hope is Kerry messes up.. I have a feeling it's NOT going to happen. Buh Bye Neo-Cons :)
I think Kerry should take a trip with Ted Kennedy to Chappequidick (Let Ted Drive, he knows the way) :lol:

Ok, from what I get is that people don't like Kerry because he isn't decisive on issues? Why is this not a good thing, if he votes the way the public wants him to?

With the continuing fiasco of the Iraq war....

Osama still on the loose...

The 2000 election still on the minds of many...

The deficit...

The economy...

the unemployment rate.....

Kerry would have to mess up SO huge.....it would be scary.....and he would STILL come out as looking better than the aforementioned "plonker".

Wich Im still not quite sure of what that is.....

It won't last, of course, and it's a silly little online poll, but for right now, John Kerry leads George Bush 63% to 36%. (http://www.hannity.com/?rd=73&vo=73) On Hannity's very own site. Oh, if only I knew how to take a screen shot to savor the irony. :lol:If you listen to hannity's show recently, you know he's trying to convince his listeners that kerry has a chance of winning, and scare them into voting GWB :)

who was it telling me, "the election is not for another 6 months, you'll go crazy if you follow the polls, this far out it doesn't mean anything, etc..."

A) your math sucks.. it's 5 months..lol :P

B) If the election were held today Gallup polls showed that Kerry would slaughter, yes, slaughter Bush in the Electorial College vote.

I see no where for Bush to go from here but down! If I wasn't an athiest.. I'd thank the Gods.. ;)
wait 5 months...

just wait until Kerry pulls his Dukakis like stunt

Well, that's about your only hope..for Kerry to mess up big time.. it's not like Bush has a record he can run on. Your best hope is Kerry messes up.. I have a feeling it's NOT going to happen. Buh Bye Neo-Cons :)
I think Kerry should take a trip with Ted Kennedy to Chappequidick (Let Ted Drive, he knows the way) :lol:

Yeah, as long as GW doesn't hit them drunk driving and stoned on coke on the way there .. :D

I think Kerry should take a trip with Ted Kennedy to Chappequidick (Let Ted Drive, he knows the way) :lol:See now, that's just cold. I mean, I wouldn't suggest George should go out for a walk while Laura was driving in the neighborhood or anything like that.

Or do you know that story?

Nah, it' still to close to call. Gonna be a very tight race.

If you listen to hannity's show recently, you know he's trying to convince his listeners that kerry has a chance of winning, and scare them into voting GWB :)

Ok, so that would make his show pure propoganda (oxymoron) and him a lier......And you smile about this dishonesty ? Sick.

It won't last, of course, and it's a silly little online poll, but for right now, John Kerry leads George Bush 63% to 36%. (http://www.hannity.com/?rd=73&vo=73) On Hannity's very own site. Oh, if only I knew how to take a screen shot to savor the irony. :lol:If you listen to hannity's show recently, you know he's trying to convince his listeners that kerry has a chance of winning, and scare them into voting GWB :)
As opposed to what?

It won't last, of course, and it's a silly little online poll, but for right now, John Kerry leads George Bush 63% to 36%. (http://www.hannity.com/?rd=73&vo=73) On Hannity's very own site. Oh, if only I knew how to take a screen shot to savor the irony. :lol:If you listen to hannity's show recently, you know he's trying to convince his listeners that kerry has a chance of winning, and scare them into voting GWB :)It shouldn't take much to convince them, and I'd imagine most Hannity listeners and viewers aren't on the fence anyway.

It won't last, of course, and it's a silly little online poll, but for right now, John Kerry leads George Bush 63% to 36%. (http://www.hannity.com/?rd=73&vo=73) On Hannity's very own site. Oh, if only I knew how to take a screen shot to savor the irony. :lol:If you listen to hannity's show recently, you know he's trying to convince his listeners that kerry has a chance of winning, and scare them into voting GWB :)It shouldn't take much to convince them, and I'd imagine most Hannity listeners and viewers aren't on the fence anyway.

Preaching to the choir.

With the continuing fiasco of the Iraq war....
We'll see after June 30

Osama still on the loose...
wait, I thought the US had him already and was waiting until October 30th to pull him out

The 2000 election still on the minds of many...
Like Al Gore and who else?

The deficit...The deficit is over rated.

The economy...The economy has been improving for a long time now

the unemployment rate.....the unemployment rate has been falling for a while now

Kerry would have to mess up SO huge.....it would be scary.....and he would STILL come out as looking better than the aforementioned "plonker".

Wich Im still not quite sure of what that is.....
He may look unbeatable now, but so did Dean 4 months ago. Give it time

With the continuing fiasco of the Iraq war....
We'll see after June 30

Osama still on the loose...
wait, I thought the US had him already and was waiting until October 30th to pull him out

The 2000 election still on the minds of many...
Like Al Gore and who else?

The deficit...The deficit is over rated.

The economy...The economy has been improving for a long time now

the unemployment rate.....the unemployment rate has been falling for a while now

Kerry would have to mess up SO huge.....it would be scary.....and he would STILL come out as looking better than the aforementioned "plonker".

Wich Im still not quite sure of what that is.....
He may look unbeatable now, but so did Dean 4 months ago. Give it time

Blah blah blah........hold tightly to your illusions my conservative friend.
When President Kerry takes office...those will be all you have.

I agree with New Auburnland on this, as good as Kerry is doing, there appears to be a meriad of oppurtunities for Bush upcoming. It would take surprisingly little to turn the tide, particularly since it seems Bush has a fanatical following among the religious right and most conservatives and noone is very excited by Kerry.

I agree with New Auburnland on this, as good as Kerry is doing, there appears to be a meriad of oppurtunities for Bush upcoming. It would take surprisingly little to turn the tide, particularly since it seems Bush has a fanatical following among the religious right and most conservatives and noone is very excited by Kerry.I think you underestimate the amount of backing Kerry has just because no one seems to be excited about voting for the man. Excited or not, the progressives are chomping at the bit to vote for Kerry--okay, they're chomping at the bit to vote Bush out, but the end result is still the same--a vote for Kerry.

I agree with New Auburnland on this, as good as Kerry is doing, there appears to be a meriad of oppurtunities for Bush upcoming. It would take surprisingly little to turn the tide, particularly since it seems Bush has a fanatical following among the religious right and most conservatives and noone is very excited by Kerry.

Actually both Republicans and Democrats have fanatical followers. The middle will decide.

Gallop polls indicate that Kerry has is leading in national polls. Within the margin of error, but leading. He also has a 5% lead in the battleground and is showing stronger support than Bush right now.

http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=11800

I agree with New Auburnland on this, as good as Kerry is doing, there appears to be a meriad of oppurtunities for Bush upcoming. It would take surprisingly little to turn the tide, particularly since it seems Bush has a fanatical following among the religious right and most conservatives and noone is very excited by Kerry.

Actually both Republicans and Democrats have fanatical followers. The middle will decide.That's just it. Kerry has no real way to sway the middle. He can't take any action really and he has no record to run on either,at leaste no coherent record. Bush holds all of the cards, it's all on his shoulders.

Gallop polls indicate that Kerry has is leading in national polls. Within the margin of error, but leading. He also has a 5% lead in the battleground and is showing stronger support than Bush right now.

http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=11800

Yup I got that as well...

I agree with New Auburnland on this, as good as Kerry is doing, there appears to be a meriad of oppurtunities for Bush upcoming. It would take surprisingly little to turn the tide, particularly since it seems Bush has a fanatical following among the religious right and most conservatives and noone is very excited by Kerry.

Actually both Republicans and Democrats have fanatical followers. The middle will decide.That's just it. Kerry has no real way to sway the middle. He can't take any action really and he has no record to run on either,at leaste no coherent record. Bush holds all of the cards, it's all on his shoulders.

Thats not true.

bushs record will speak for itself and speak to the middle.
Towards the election..your going to see Kerry remind the middle of the terrible record of the guy currently in office.

This election seems to be basically Bush vs. Bush. If even a few things take a turn for the better the numbers and the result of the election can change quickly.

This election seems to be basically Bush vs. Bush. If even a few things take a turn for the better the numbers and the result of the election can change quickly. This is true. I think the US electino will resemble the Spanish election in some ways, especially in unpredictability. If things begin going extremely well Bush may win again, if things stay as they are currently it will be close, and if the Iraq situation worsens (among other issues) expect a fairly large win for Kerry.

Gallop polls indicate that Kerry has is leading in national polls. Within the margin of error, but leading. He also has a 5% lead in the battleground and is showing stronger support than Bush right now.

http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=11800

Yup I got that as well...

Actually the polls I seen from Gallup on CNN were for Electorial College votes.. Bush came in a little over 200 and Kerry had 320.. that was the poll I personally was talking about.

Gallop polls indicate that Kerry has is leading in national polls. Within the margin of error, but leading. He also has a 5% lead in the battleground and is showing stronger support than Bush right now.

http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=11800

Yup I got that as well...

Actually the polls I seen from Gallup on CNN were for Electorial College votes.. Bush came in a little over 200 and Kerry had 320.. that was the poll I personally was talking about. Wow. :shock: that is impressive. I'll have to check that out, it might give me more hope.

When you're looking at the polls, look at the internals--especially the favorable/unfavorable split. Once a candidate's unfavorable rating gets high, it's hard to bring it down again, especially if you're an incumbent. In most polls, Bush's favorable/unfavorable split is even in the low 40s. That's not good for him because it means he doesn't have much room to go up. Meanwhile, Kerry's favorable numbers are about the same as Bush's, but his unfavorables are in the low 30s, so he's got more room to grow his support.

But as I have said for months now, anyone who is putting a lot of faith in polls today is stressing themselves for no reason. Check back on the polls in the third week of September, after Bush's post-convention bounce has faded, and then start to stress. That's when you'll start to get a handle on what will happen in November.

It is early to make any real predictions, politics is a strange business. One seemingly insignificant event can be a major factor in how the voting goes. I do not favor a government that is one sided. You need a blend of liberals, conservatives and moderates to make it balanced. The U.S. has been suffering from rampant liberalism and now the pendulum has moved to the other extreme in response. I do not believe that Kerry is the answer to the problem and in fact may cause more chaos. The changes need to be made in Congress more than in the presidency.

Gallop polls indicate that Kerry has is leading in national polls. Within the margin of error, but leading. He also has a 5% lead in the battleground and is showing stronger support than Bush right now.

http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=11800

Yup I got that as well...

Actually the polls I seen from Gallup on CNN were for Electorial College votes.. Bush came in a little over 200 and Kerry had 320.. that was the poll I personally was talking about. Wow. :shock: that is impressive. I'll have to check that out, it might give me more hope.
Yeah, but last time they said that Gore would win, and that Dean would get the nomination, and that.......

Five months is a long to hold my breath, but.......

Gallop polls indicate that Kerry has is leading in national polls. Within the margin of error, but leading. He also has a 5% lead in the battleground and is showing stronger support than Bush right now.

http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=11800

Yup I got that as well...

Actually the polls I seen from Gallup on CNN were for Electorial College votes.. Bush came in a little over 200 and Kerry had 320.. that was the poll I personally was talking about. Wow. :shock: that is impressive. I'll have to check that out, it might give me more hope.

Of course that is based on the states they are each leading in now..

The polls usually solidifies after the last debate. Also, we haven't had the conventions yet. But the polls kind of useful.

When you're looking at the polls, look at the internals--especially the favorable/unfavorable split. Once a candidate's unfavorable rating gets high, it's hard to bring it down again, especially if you're an incumbent. In most polls, Bush's favorable/unfavorable split is even in the low 40s. That's not good for him because it means he doesn't have much room to go up. Meanwhile, Kerry's favorable numbers are about the same as Bush's, but his unfavorables are in the low 30s, so he's got more room to grow his support.

But as I have said for months now, anyone who is putting a lot of faith in polls today is stressing themselves for no reason. Check back on the polls in the third week of September, after Bush's post-convention bounce has faded, and then start to stress. That's when you'll start to get a handle on what will happen in November.

Yes, but if we look to historical numbers in past elections 5 months before an election, the odds are in favour of Kerry.. Ford was @ 47% and was defeated.. Carter 38% defeated.. Bush Sr. 41% defeated. Reagan, Nixon and Clinton all were above 50%..

Now as to Kerry's numbers.. no where in those historical numbers does it show the challenger doing as well as Kerry this early in the election. Thus people don't seem to realize at least from an historical view point just how well Kerry is actually doing..

The polls usually solidifies after the last debate. Also, we haven't had the conventions yet. But the polls kind of useful.

Ahh yes.....the debates.....

This will be good.

Now...reall quick......whos a terrible public speaker boys and girls?

I agree completely, Steph. I am hopeful, and I'd be lying if I said otherwise. I'm just not confident yet. Truth be told, I won't be confident until Kerry's sworn in and Bush has vacated the White House, and maybe not even then.

The polls usually solidifies after the last debate. Also, we haven't had the conventions yet. But the polls kind of useful.

Ahh yes.....the debates.....

This will be good.

Now...reall quick......whos a terrible public speaker boys and girls?Both?

The polls usually solidifies after the last debate. Also, we haven't had the conventions yet. But the polls kind of useful.

Ahh yes.....the debates.....

This will be good.

Now...reall quick......whos a terrible public speaker boys and girls?
Here's another place where I get pessimistic. It didn't torpedo him last time, and Kerry has nearly the same dry personality problem that Gore had.

When you're looking at the polls, look at the internals--especially the favorable/unfavorable split. Once a candidate's unfavorable rating gets high, it's hard to bring it down again, especially if you're an incumbent. In most polls, Bush's favorable/unfavorable split is even in the low 40s. That's not good for him because it means he doesn't have much room to go up. Meanwhile, Kerry's favorable numbers are about the same as Bush's, but his unfavorables are in the low 30s, so he's got more room to grow his support.

But as I have said for months now, anyone who is putting a lot of faith in polls today is stressing themselves for no reason. Check back on the polls in the third week of September, after Bush's post-convention bounce has faded, and then start to stress. That's when you'll start to get a handle on what will happen in November.

Yes, but if we look to historical numbers in past elections 5 months before an election, the odds are in favour of Kerry.. Ford was @ 47% and was defeated.. Carter 38% defeated.. Bush Sr. 41% defeated. Reagan, Nixon and Clinton all were above 50%..

Now as to Kerry's numbers.. no where in those historical numbers does it show the challenger doing as well as Kerry this early in the election. Thus people don't seem to realize at least from an historical view point just how well Kerry is actually doing..

Very accurate, however you must add this to the equasion. The Internet, Talk radio, an early front loaded democratic nomination process, and a war.

The polls usually solidifies after the last debate. Also, we haven't had the conventions yet. But the polls kind of useful.

Ahh yes.....the debates.....

This will be good.

Now...reall quick......whos a terrible public speaker boys and girls?Both?

Naww...

Who mumbles, and makes up words?

The polls usually solidifies after the last debate. Also, we haven't had the conventions yet. But the polls kind of useful.

Ahh yes.....the debates.....

This will be good.

Now...reall quick......whos a terrible public speaker boys and girls?Both?

Kerry's problem as I see it is he's very much the intellect. This poses a bit of a problem. We know for the average voter.. (People who are not as involved as us) this could be a problem and was part of Al Gore's problem in 2000, meaning even the news is worded at a grade 10 level... Kerry will have to dumb it down.. that was believe it or not Bush's strength in the 2000 debates.. He didn't have to dumb it down.. ;)

Kerry will have to...

The polls usually solidifies after the last debate. Also, we haven't had the conventions yet. But the polls kind of useful.

Ahh yes.....the debates.....

This will be good.

Now...reall quick......whos a terrible public speaker boys and girls?Both?

Kerry's problem as I see it is he's very much the intellect. This poses a bit of a problem. We know for the average voter.. (People who are not as involved as us) this could be a problem and was part of Al Gore's problem in 2000, meaning even the news is worded at a grade 10 level... Kerry will have to dumb it down.. that was believe it or not Bush's strength in the 2000 debates.. He didn't have to dumb it down.. ;)

Kerry will have to...

Kennedy/Nixon debate I think.

http://teacher.scholastic.com/scholasticnews/indepth/election1/candidates/images/nader.jpg

http://teacher.scholastic.com/scholasticnews/indepth/election1/candidates/images/nader.jpg

Sadly a vote for Nader will in fact be a vote for Bush....

Okay, Nader is cool, and not a member of the Skull and Bones.

Okay, Nader is cool, and not a member of the Skull and Bones.

Yes, but Nader is taking votes that would go to Kerry.. so if you want Bush out.. you can't vote Nader.. Hey, I agree with a lot of what he says.. but if it's between Bush & Kerry, which it is.. You have to vote Kerry.. Although I have a feeling Nader will get out at the 11th hour.. I'm sure he doesn't want his legacy to be 8 years of Bush.. in fact I know he doesn't, he's said as much. I think he just wants to be part of the agenda.. he wants to be heard.. then I think this time he will step aside. I could be wrong, but I don't think so, this election is far too important for a protest vote.

Okay, Nader is cool, and not a member of the Skull and Bones.

Yes, but Nader is taking votes that would go to Kerry.. so if you want Bush out.. you can't vote Nader.. Hey, I agree with a lot of what he says.. but if it's between Bush & Kerry, which it is.. You have to vote Kerry.. Although I have a feeling Nader will get out at the 11th hour.. I'm sure he doesn't want his legacy to be 8 years of Bush.. in fact I know he doesn't, he's said as much. I think he just wants to be part of the agenda.. he wants to be heard.. then I think this time he will step aside. I could be wrong, but I don't think so, this election is far too important for a protest vote.

Speaking as someone who actually voted for Nader, in the last election,
I think that Im not alone in my opinion that doing so again this time...would be a mistake.
The only real candiddates who have a shot are the obvious ones....Bush and Kerry.
Last time many of us who voted for Ralph, did so to make a statement, and also becuase we liked very much what Nader stood for.

We also realized that we may have given Bush the election.
Maybe not....

This time.....many of us wont make the same mistake twice..
This isnt about "anyone but Bush" as many claim..

This is " not again! the US cannot handle four more years of that man in office."

So, its not even really the lesser of two evils...

Its about common sense.

Okay, Nader is cool, and not a member of the Skull and Bones.

Yes, but Nader is taking votes that would go to Kerry.. so if you want Bush out.. you can't vote Nader.No, it is Kerry who is taking votes from Nader. A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush.

Okay, Nader is cool, and not a member of the Skull and Bones.

Yes, but Nader is taking votes that would go to Kerry.. so if you want Bush out.. you can't vote Nader.No, it is Kerry who is taking votes from Nader. A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush.

...the hell?

Okay, Nader is cool, and not a member of the Skull and Bones.

Yes, but Nader is taking votes that would go to Kerry.. so if you want Bush out.. you can't vote Nader.No, it is Kerry who is taking votes from Nader. A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush.

But Nader doesn't stand a chance in hell of being elected and Kerry does.. :idea:

Okay, Nader is cool, and not a member of the Skull and Bones.

Yes, but Nader is taking votes that would go to Kerry.. so if you want Bush out.. you can't vote Nader.No, it is Kerry who is taking votes from Nader. A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush.

But Nader doesn't stand a chance in hell of being elected and Kerry does.. :idea:

So did you read my above post about voting for Nader?

All fo the talk of Nader and Kerry and who's votes those are is irrelevant. This election is Bush vs. Bush. The polls will change with every headline. Kerry doesn't have any identifiable position. As the War and economy go so will Bush. That's all there is to it.

Okay, Nader is cool, and not a member of the Skull and Bones.

Yes, but Nader is taking votes that would go to Kerry.. so if you want Bush out.. you can't vote Nader.No, it is Kerry who is taking votes from Nader. A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush.

But Nader doesn't stand a chance in hell of being elected and Kerry does.. :idea:

So did you read my above post about voting for Nader?

I did yes..

All fo the talk of Nader and Kerry and who's votes those are is irrelevant. This election is Bush vs. Bush. The polls will change with every headline. Kerry doesn't have any identifiable position. As the War and economy go so will Bush. That's all there is to it.

Bushbot's are delusional.. mark my words.. talk to you in November.. :P

Okay, Nader is cool, and not a member of the Skull and Bones.

Yes, but Nader is taking votes that would go to Kerry.. so if you want Bush out.. you can't vote Nader.No, it is Kerry who is taking votes from Nader. A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush.

But Nader doesn't stand a chance in hell of being elected and Kerry does.. :idea:Now if Kerry weren't running...

see the silliness of this argument? Most folks who vote Nader wouldn't have voted at all. Not everyone is willing to hold his/her nose and vote for scum.

Okay, Nader is cool, and not a member of the Skull and Bones.

Yes, but Nader is taking votes that would go to Kerry.. so if you want Bush out.. you can't vote Nader.No, it is Kerry who is taking votes from Nader. A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush.

But Nader doesn't stand a chance in hell of being elected and Kerry does.. :idea:Now if Kerry weren't running...

see the silliness of this argument? Most folks who vote Nader wouldn't have voted at all. Not everyone is willing to hold his/her nose and vote for scum.

All fo the talk of Nader and Kerry and who's votes those are is irrelevant. This election is Bush vs. Bush. The polls will change with every headline. Kerry doesn't have any identifiable position. As the War and economy go so will Bush. That's all there is to it.

Bushbot's are delusional.. mark my words.. talk to you in November.. :PI think you've misunderstood what I meant. My point is that Bush's opposition is not Kerry or Nader but the war and the economy. Noone is voting for Kerry, but against Bush. A few will vote for Nader, but not in large enough numbers to have a big effect. If the handover of power to Iraqis goes relatively smoothly ,and let's not forget that elections are scheduled for January in Iraq, if it appears that a moderate government will be elected in Iraq and the economy doesn't absolutely nose-dive, Bush will win. Those are alot of ifs, but the election will be decided by those issues not by anything that Kerry or Nader have done or will do.

What will be even more interesting than these poll results will be the actual voter turnout in November...
If the people being polled don't end up voting in the election then these results, for the purpose of predicting the Presidential winner, are essentially pointless and distorting - no matter who you're rooting for (or against! :)

What will be even more interesting than these poll results will be the actual voter turnout in November...
If the people being polled don't end up voting in the election then these results, for the purpose of predicting the Presidential winner, are essentially pointless and distorting - no matter who you're rooting for (or against! :)

Oh, stop making sense Redneck... Speculation is so much more fun! LOL :P

It won't last, of course, and it's a silly little online poll, but for right now, John Kerry leads George Bush 63% to 36%. (http://www.hannity.com/?rd=73&vo=73) On Hannity's very own site. Oh, if only I knew how to take a screen shot to savor the irony. :lol:
In Internet Explorer you can mail the page to yourself:

Mail------> Send Page

or you can download an easy to use FREE screen capture camera:

http://www.howiesfunware.com/SideBarMiscSoftware.html

It saves the capture as a jpg file. Good luck.

Just a brief update--and to let people who haven't voted have a chance to vote before Hannity blows a fuse--Kerry now leads 75% to 23% (http://hannity.com/)with Nader somewhere between 1 and 2%.

And if you still think, after the last 3 years, that there's no appreciable difference between Bush and the Democratic party then you're delusional. And for the record, Kerry has tons of defined positions--the right wingers in the media do their best to make it seem as though he doesn't, but if you pay even a modicum of attention, you see he does.

Ha! Couldn't happen to a nicer hate-monger.

It won't last, of course, and it's a silly little online poll, but for right now, John Kerry leads George Bush 63% to 36%. (http://www.hannity.com/?rd=73&vo=73) On Hannity's very own site. Oh, if only I knew how to take a screen shot to savor the irony. :lol:
A lot can happen between now and November.

A lot can happen between now and November.I know, and more importantly, I know that this vote isn't representative of Hannity's listeners. I discovered the poll because one of the many left-wing blogs I read had a link to it--and this is a blog that gets tens of thousands of readers a day.

So just like internet junkies who follow politics and have too much free time did when the AFA engineered their little gay marriage poll, now we're bombing the hell out of Hannity's little poll.

But before anyone gets all self-righteous on me, Freepers have been doing the same thing for just as long on the other side. And besides, anyone who taken an internet poll seriously is an idiot.

ummmm...either I can't find the poll cause I'm incompetent, or it's gone...

A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush.

damn straight. fuck that warmongering facsist appeasing corporate whore.

ummmm...either I can't find the poll cause I'm incompetent, or it's gone...Alas, it is gone, replaced with a poll of the quality usually seen around here. Oh well--it was fun while it lasted.

A lot can happen between now and November.I know, and more importantly, I know that this vote isn't representative of Hannity's listeners. I discovered the poll because one of the many left-wing blogs I read had a link to it--and this is a blog that gets tens of thousands of readers a day.

So just like internet junkies who follow politics and have too much free time did when the AFA engineered their little gay marriage poll, now we're bombing the hell out of Hannity's little poll.

But before anyone gets all self-righteous on me, Freepers have been doing the same thing for just as long on the other side. And besides, anyone who taken an internet poll seriously is an idiot.
Just take them as tongue and cheek, is what I say. If a scientific poll, on the other hand, showed Kerry at 63%, I'd pack my bags and move out of the country.

I seriously doubt that any poll will show Kerry in the 60s between now and November, unless Bush is filmed sacrificing a goat to the gods while raping a young boy sometime in October. And maybe not even then. :lol:

Bush is filmed sacrificing a goat to the gods while raping a young boy sometime in October. And maybe not even then. :lol:

"jesus speaks to the president directly. so if he did that it must be because jesus told him to. you just have to have faith."

If the Republicans ever put up a candidate who isn't a dangerously under-brained fanatical ideologue, I'll try voting for a Nader.

I've lived through Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush and Bush. Bush II was a glaringly idiotic extreme, but none of these was half as competent or intelligent as Carter or Clinton. And that's just scary!

Unless you live in a battleground state, a vote for either Skull-and-bonehead is a wasted vote.

Yes, but if we look to historical numbers in past elections 5 months before an election, the odds are in favour of Kerry.. Ford was @ 47% and was defeated.. Carter 38% defeated.. Bush Sr. 41% defeated. Reagan, Nixon and Clinton all were above 50%..

Now as to Kerry's numbers.. no where in those historical numbers does it show the challenger doing as well as Kerry this early in the election. Thus people don't seem to realize at least from an historical view point just how well Kerry is actually doing..

Well, after 2000, can we really go off of the past anymore? After all, we're not looking at any one candidate capturing over 55% of the popular vote, and I still don't know if that's a testament to democracy or shows that the system is broken.

Unless you live in a battleground state, a vote for either Skull-and-bonehead is a wasted vote.

So, since I live in Texas, I guess my vote has absolutely now say in November because most will vote for "the local boy." Even though Bush's family is really from New England just like Kerry. That's scary, I've found something in common between the two candidates. AH!!

That's scary, I've found something in common between the two candidates. AH!!You are easily startled. Do some reading on these boys and you'll find plenty more. Unless you want to endorse this utter negation of democracy, vote Nader.

Ok, he isn't going to win, alright?

I've already talked about getting a third party to become as popular as the two we have now; mindlessly voting for them ISN'T going to do it. Idealism can only go so far.

According to the same logic Democrats in Texas should vote for Bush because Kerry doesn't stand a snowball's chance in Hell to win that state.

Mindlessly voting for whoever TV tells you is going to win isn't going to bring about any positive change either :roll:

Blah blah blah........hold tightly to your illusions my conservative friend.
When President Kerry takes office...those will be all you have.
Yeah, 'cause Kerry is going to disband the army, at which point China will invade, enslaving us and forcing us to produce cheap, plastic toys for their fast food places.

Blah blah blah........hold tightly to your illusions my conservative friend.
When President Kerry takes office...those will be all you have.
Yeah, 'cause Kerry is going to disband the army, at which point China will invade, enslaving us and forcing us to produce cheap, plastic toys for their fast food places.

Yes, and pigs will begin flying tomorrow with non-stop service to the new ski resort, hell.

Blah blah blah........hold tightly to your illusions my conservative friend.
When President Kerry takes office...those will be all you have.
Yeah, 'cause Kerry is going to disband the army, at which point China will invade, enslaving us and forcing us to produce cheap, plastic toys for their fast food places.this already happened--its called WALMART

I'll bet you a dollar that Hannity orders it removed.

Hes also a liar, you know..along with O Reilly.

Close, as of this hour it is disabled.

"We Report You , uh Never Mind!"

LMAO!

SHL

ahhh snap!

im buying this tomorrow!!

http://www.conservativebookservice.com/bookimages/43/c6243_full.jpg

Gonna put it next to you "Dewey Wins In Landslide" headlines?

SHL

Okay, Nader is cool, and not a member of the Skull and Bones.

Yes, but Nader is taking votes that would go to Kerry.. so if you want Bush out.. you can't vote Nader.. Hey, I agree with a lot of what he says.. but if it's between Bush & Kerry, which it is.. You have to vote Kerry.. Although I have a feeling Nader will get out at the 11th hour.. I'm sure he doesn't want his legacy to be 8 years of Bush.. in fact I know he doesn't, he's said as much. I think he just wants to be part of the agenda.. he wants to be heard.. then I think this time he will step aside. I could be wrong, but I don't think so, this election is far too important for a protest vote.

Agreed. The Dems best move is to bring him on board in Boston and give him some influence in the platform. Then they get all his supporters.

SHL

All fo the talk of Nader and Kerry and who's votes those are is irrelevant. This election is Bush vs. Bush. The polls will change with every headline. Kerry doesn't have any identifiable position. As the War and economy go so will Bush. That's all there is to it.

Bushbot's are delusional.. mark my words.. talk to you in November.. :P

Careful!

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."

"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule--and both commonly succeed, and are right."

- H.L. Mencken

SHL

Does anyone have a high quality screen shot that I can have?

According to the same logic Democrats in Texas should vote for Bush because Kerry doesn't stand a snowball's chance in Hell to win that state.

Mindlessly voting for whoever TV tells you is going to win isn't going to bring about any positive change either :roll:

What I meant is that Texas has gone to the Republican candidate in all of the elections from Reagan onwards. 1976 was the last year TX votes' counted for a Democrat, Jimmy Carter.

By the way, I never said who I was voting for. I don't like Kerry or Bush, though that's just my opinion. And to think this will be the first time I vote. *sighs*

That's scary, I've found something in common between the two candidates. AH!!You are easily startled. Do some reading on these boys and you'll find plenty more. Unless you want to endorse this utter negation of democracy, vote Nader.

By the way, it was a joke. You know, ha ha? Don't worry about it, most of my friends don't get my jokes either. :(

As for Nader, I don't know if he'll be on the ballot in TX. He didn't gather enough signatures in time, and actually turned them in late. The Green Party IS on the ballot, however, since they turned their petition in on time (3rd parties require fewer signatures that independents, go figure). So, if Nader is "endorsed" by the Green Party, then he'll be on the ballot in November without having to take the state to court.

Don't rush to delude yourselves all at once: as I've said before, the majority opinions on this board do not at ALL reflect the thinking of the US at large.

The polls usually solidifies after the last debate. Also, we haven't had the conventions yet. But the polls kind of useful.

Ahh yes.....the debates.....

This will be good.

Now...reall quick......whos a terrible public speaker boys and girls?


I actually can't wait for the debates to get here. Bush may not be the best public speaker but he has a proven track record (2000) of connecting with his audience in a nationally televised debate.

Not only that, but it'll give the country a chance to see what Kerry's stances on the issues really are.