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The cells will be required for the warders.

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What a stunning rebuttal.

One click response is about the level of literacy and logic one has come to expect.

BO-DOM-BOOM *ding*

It should stay open because otherwise the people inside will just be out shooting British soldiers. If you want to cure to the abuse problems, put the British in charge, at least we will do a good job.

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What a stunning rebuttal.

One click response is about the level of literacy and logic one has come to expect.


And how should i respond to your stupid post?

And how should i respond to your stupid post?
You really should treat people with more respect than that.

And how should i respond to your stupid post?
You really should treat people with more respect than that.

As much as the original post deserved. :?

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What a stunning rebuttal.

One click response is about the level of literacy and logic one has come to expect.


And how should i respond to your stupid post?

I had hoped for a witty response.
I fear you are ill equipped.

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What a stunning rebuttal.

One click response is about the level of literacy and logic one has come to expect.
One click responce to a one line post... Sounds about right :roll:

I see one major difference between the British questioning prisoners and the Americans questioning prisoners: the photos showing the poms 'abusing' the Iraqis have been proven to be fake, while the Americans truly have been abusing the Iraqis. Maybe the British will get more info from them simply by threatening to hand them over to the Americans.

EDIT: I really did have to write the longest post in this thread, didn't I?

I see one major difference between the British questioning prisoners and the Americans questioning prisoners: the photos showing the poms 'abusing' the Iraqis have been proven to be fake, while the Americans truly have been abusing the Iraqis. Maybe the British will get more info from them simply by threatening to hand them over to the Americans.

EDIT: I really did have to write the longest post in this thread, didn't I?

The British know how to treat prisoners eh?...I've read a few books on former IRA prisoners that were imprisoned in the Maze prison before it was shut down..seems the British are all too well versed in similar if not more in "treating" prisoners who were terrorists.....and the Royal Ulster Constabulary..we'll...I won't even go into the methods they used during questioning of IRA suspects.

It's not like the British invented the concentration camp or anything, eh?

*grins at Salishe*

I see one major difference between the British questioning prisoners and the Americans questioning prisoners: the photos showing the poms 'abusing' the Iraqis have been proven to be fake, while the Americans truly have been abusing the Iraqis. Maybe the British will get more info from them simply by threatening to hand them over to the Americans.

EDIT: I really did have to write the longest post in this thread, didn't I?

The British know how to treat prisoners eh?...I've read a few books on former IRA prisoners that were imprisoned in the Maze prison before it was shut down..seems the British are all too well versed in similar if not more in "treating" prisoners who were terrorists.....and the Royal Ulster Constabulary..we'll...I won't even go into the methods they used during questioning of IRA suspects.

Yeah i've read a couple of report indicating that type of thing buts thats the police or jail guards, not the army, and i've heard a lot more stories from american prisons.

You make me sick....Abu Ghraib should be demolished. Those prisoners were dehumanized, degraded, abused, tortured, and traumatized. Not only should the prison be demolished, ALL of the prisoners should be released, not just a few. Many government officials should immediately resign.

Why not make it into a nice hotel or appartment complex? Whats wrong with that!? :? The Abu Ghraib Inn :lol:

You make me sick....Abu Ghraib should be demolished. Those prisoners were dehumanized, degraded, abused, tortured, and traumatized. Not only should the prison be demolished, ALL of the prisoners should be released, not just a few. Many government officials should immediately resign.

Even the prisoners who would pose to a threat to both our troops and Iraqi civilians if they were released? I agree that Abu Ghraib should be demolished, and actually think that given its history under Saddam it should have been demolished immediately after the war but it's too late for that now.

In my mind the scandal in Abu Ghraib is symptomatic of a wider problem in the U.S, I think it's the general cavalier attitude towards military operations and foreign policy that is in need of a rethink.

You make me sick....Abu Ghraib should be demolished. Those prisoners were dehumanized, degraded, abused, tortured, and traumatized. Not only should the prison be demolished, ALL of the prisoners should be released, not just a few. Many government officials should immediately resign.

Even the prisoners who would pose to a threat to both our troops and Iraqi civilians if they were released? I agree that Abu Ghraib should be demolished, and actually think that given its history under Saddam it should have been demolished immediately after the war but it's too late for that now.

In my mind the scandal in Abu Ghraib is symptomatic of a wider problem in the U.S, I think it's the general cavalier attitude towards military operations and foreign policy that is in need of a rethink.

You make me sick....Abu Ghraib should be demolished. Those prisoners were dehumanized, degraded, abused, tortured, and traumatized. Not only should the prison be demolished, ALL of the prisoners should be released, not just a few. Many government officials should immediately resign.

Even the prisoners who would pose to a threat to both our troops and Iraqi civilians if they were released? I agree that Abu Ghraib should be demolished, and actually think that given its history under Saddam it should have been demolished immediately after the war but it's too late for that now.

In my mind the scandal in Abu Ghraib is symptomatic of a wider problem in the U.S, I think it's the general cavalier attitude towards military operations and foreign policy that is in need of a rethink.

You make me sick....Abu Ghraib should be demolished. Those prisoners were dehumanized, degraded, abused, tortured, and traumatized. Not only should the prison be demolished, ALL of the prisoners should be released, not just a few. Many government officials should immediately resign.
sigh......read....

Why not make it into a nice hotel or appartment complex? Whats wrong with that!? :? The Abu Ghraib Inn :lol:

Just think...it'll be bound to be a hit with the BDSM crowd. dank cells...low lites...custom made tables for tying down the guests. For the most adventurous...electical outlets for the particular fetishes..just think...dry hot air...what submissive/slave wouldn't LOVE that prison outlet..and the Dominants/Dominatrix...why it'd be that get-away dungeon they've been looking for.

We have an Iraqi in our company.

I asked him yesturday what was the views of the prision and the anounced plans.

He contacted relatives(he calls them weekly to see if they need stuff), and they said the general view over there is:

1) The americans are just trying to cover up their attrocities.
2) The money involved could be better used elsewhere -- Majority view.

If the prision was to be demolished, we should have done it when we took over the place. The people would have celibrated it then. Now, it has little or no meaning.

We have an Iraqi in our company.

I asked him yesturday what was the views of the prision and the anounced plans.

He contacted relatives(he calls them weekly to see if they need stuff), and they said the general view over there is:

1) The americans are just trying to cover up their attrocities.
2) The money involved could be better used elsewhere -- Majority view.

If the prision was to be demolished, we should have done it when we took over the place. The people would have celibrated it then. Now, it has little or no meaning.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother to think why not have left Saddam in charge...your Iraqi friend and his family have short memories if it is only that they recall the short time we Americans have been using..how many of his friends or family recall with fondness when Saddam ran it?

As for the money being spent elsewhere.we're giving them a brand new one?..They have to put their criminals in prison still long after we are gone? And we are already spending billions of MY taxes to repair their roads, hospitals, schools, you name it..and a vast majority of this was untouched by our war, simply neglect by the Saddam regime.

The cells will be required for the warders.Agreed.

maybe all the depleted uranium littering their country from US bombs has affected their memory.

Smeagol, was there any purpose to this thread other than blatent flambaiting?

Yes. Word games are evil, but this, THIS THREAD is enlightening. :roll:

We have an Iraqi in our company.

I asked him yesturday what was the views of the prision and the anounced plans.

He contacted relatives(he calls them weekly to see if they need stuff), and they said the general view over there is:

1) The americans are just trying to cover up their attrocities.
2) The money involved could be better used elsewhere -- Majority view.

If the prision was to be demolished, we should have done it when we took over the place. The people would have celibrated it then. Now, it has little or no meaning.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother to think why not have left Saddam in charge...your Iraqi friend and his family have short memories if it is only that they recall the short time we Americans have been using..how many of his friends or family recall with fondness when Saddam ran it?

As for the money being spent elsewhere.we're giving them a brand new one?..They have to put their criminals in prison still long after we are gone? And we are already spending billions of MY taxes to repair their roads, hospitals, schools, you name it..and a vast majority of this was untouched by our war, simply neglect by the Saddam regime.

M'kay. What is gained from knocking down a prision and then building another one on the exact same place?

The Iraqis know full well what went on there. They just think it's rather interesting that the americans are only interested in knocking it down after they got caught.

As to the neglect of the other facilities? They will tell you that it was mainly from the Americans's embargo of the country.

We have a perception problem. The Iraqis are happy Sadaam is gone(well maybe not the Sunni) but they are starting to wonder if we simply replaced him?

They are not all simple minded. Many will tell you their oil was a major reason for our "helping" them.

We have an Iraqi in our company.

I asked him yesturday what was the views of the prision and the anounced plans.

He contacted relatives(he calls them weekly to see if they need stuff), and they said the general view over there is:

1) The americans are just trying to cover up their attrocities.
2) The money involved could be better used elsewhere -- Majority view.

If the prision was to be demolished, we should have done it when we took over the place. The people would have celibrated it then. Now, it has little or no meaning.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother to think why not have left Saddam in charge...your Iraqi friend and his family have short memories if it is only that they recall the short time we Americans have been using..how many of his friends or family recall with fondness when Saddam ran it?

As for the money being spent elsewhere.we're giving them a brand new one?..They have to put their criminals in prison still long after we are gone? And we are already spending billions of MY taxes to repair their roads, hospitals, schools, you name it..and a vast majority of this was untouched by our war, simply neglect by the Saddam regime.

M'kay. What is gained from knocking down a prision and then building another one on the exact same place?

The Iraqis know full well what went on there. but apparently they weren't as interested in tearing it down when Saddam was in charge They just think it's rather interesting that the americans are only interested in knocking it down after they got caught.

As to the neglect of the other facilities? They will tell you that it was mainly from the Americans's embargo of the country.If they had the guts to take out saddam in the last twelve years they could have used the money he used to construct his 37 palaces and paid kickbacks to various Russian and French consortiums

We have a perception problem. The Iraqis are happy Sadaam is gone(well maybe not the Sunni) but they are starting to wonder if we simply replaced him?

They are not all simple minded. Many will tell you their oil was a major reason for our "helping" them.

Then they are simple minded..if it was really bout that we would have finished the job the first time around. when we had the necessary resources to do it and WITH the UN mandate.

We have an Iraqi in our company.

I asked him yesturday what was the views of the prision and the anounced plans.

He contacted relatives(he calls them weekly to see if they need stuff), and they said the general view over there is:

1) The americans are just trying to cover up their attrocities.
2) The money involved could be better used elsewhere -- Majority view.

If the prision was to be demolished, we should have done it when we took over the place. The people would have celibrated it then. Now, it has little or no meaning.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother to think why not have left Saddam in charge...your Iraqi friend and his family have short memories if it is only that they recall the short time we Americans have been using..how many of his friends or family recall with fondness when Saddam ran it?

As for the money being spent elsewhere.we're giving them a brand new one?..They have to put their criminals in prison still long after we are gone? And we are already spending billions of MY taxes to repair their roads, hospitals, schools, you name it..and a vast majority of this was untouched by our war, simply neglect by the Saddam regime.

M'kay. What is gained from knocking down a prision and then building another one on the exact same place?

The Iraqis know full well what went on there. but apparently they weren't as interested in tearing it down when Saddam was in charge They just think it's rather interesting that the americans are only interested in knocking it down after they got caught.

As to the neglect of the other facilities? They will tell you that it was mainly from the Americans's embargo of the country.If they had the guts to take out saddam in the last twelve years they could have used the money he used to construct his 37 palaces and paid kickbacks to various Russian and French consortiums

We have a perception problem. The Iraqis are happy Sadaam is gone(well maybe not the Sunni) but they are starting to wonder if we simply replaced him?

They are not all simple minded. Many will tell you their oil was a major reason for our "helping" them.

Then they are simple minded..if it was really bout that we would have finished the job the first time around. when we had the necessary resources to do it and WITH the UN mandate.

Of course if it was really about WMD's then you would have finished the job the first time round, if it was about regime change then you would have finished the job the first time round, if it was about humanitarianism then you would have finished the job the first time round.

That argument could be assigned to virtually any reason justifying the war.

Perhaps their cynicism is based on:

The fact that in the immediate postwar situation only the oil fields and the oil ministry received anything like sufficient protection whilst looting was rampant throughout Iraq.

Or maybe that the U.S is none to keen to fairly distribute reconstruction and oil contracts with other nations but would rather all the profits went to themselves.

We have an Iraqi in our company.

I asked him yesturday what was the views of the prision and the anounced plans.

He contacted relatives(he calls them weekly to see if they need stuff), and they said the general view over there is:

1) The americans are just trying to cover up their attrocities.
2) The money involved could be better used elsewhere -- Majority view.

If the prision was to be demolished, we should have done it when we took over the place. The people would have celibrated it then. Now, it has little or no meaning.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother to think why not have left Saddam in charge...your Iraqi friend and his family have short memories if it is only that they recall the short time we Americans have been using..how many of his friends or family recall with fondness when Saddam ran it?

As for the money being spent elsewhere.we're giving them a brand new one?..They have to put their criminals in prison still long after we are gone? And we are already spending billions of MY taxes to repair their roads, hospitals, schools, you name it..and a vast majority of this was untouched by our war, simply neglect by the Saddam regime.

M'kay. What is gained from knocking down a prision and then building another one on the exact same place?

The Iraqis know full well what went on there. but apparently they weren't as interested in tearing it down when Saddam was in charge They just think it's rather interesting that the americans are only interested in knocking it down after they got caught.

As to the neglect of the other facilities? They will tell you that it was mainly from the Americans's embargo of the country.If they had the guts to take out saddam in the last twelve years they could have used the money he used to construct his 37 palaces and paid kickbacks to various Russian and French consortiums

We have a perception problem. The Iraqis are happy Sadaam is gone(well maybe not the Sunni) but they are starting to wonder if we simply replaced him?

They are not all simple minded. Many will tell you their oil was a major reason for our "helping" them.

Then they are simple minded..if it was really bout that we would have finished the job the first time around. when we had the necessary resources to do it and WITH the UN mandate.

Of course if it was really about WMD's then you would have finished the job the first time round, if it was about regime change then you would have finished the job the first time round, if it was about humanitarianism then you would have finished the job the first time round.

That argument could be assigned to virtually any reason justifying the war.

Perhaps their cynicism is based on:

The fact that in the immediate postwar situation only the oil fields and the oil ministry received anything like sufficient protection whilst looting was rampant throughout Iraq.

Or maybe that the U.S is none to keen to fairly distribute reconstruction and oil contracts with other nations but would rather all the profits went to themselves.

Genaia--it's not about the oil. If anything, oil prices are going up here in the US, and it's common sense that if we were sucking away their oil prices would be going down.

why did we protect the oil fields, the oil ministry? Would you rather spend all the money of rebuilding all of that? You need oil from Iraq as much as anybody, and on June 30 the Iraqi government will start worrying about getting it to the rest of the world by itself. Plus, oil has a nasty tendency to explode when it gets lit on fire or shot at, so it's reasonable that the fields would get special protection.

The Iraqi government will be shaky enough when it gets installed, and one thing it doesn't have to worry about as much now is the oil.

Of course if it was really about WMD's then you would have finished the job the first time round, if it was about regime change then you would have finished the job the first time round, if it was about humanitarianism then you would have finished the job the first time round.

That argument could be assigned to virtually any reason justifying the war.

Perhaps their cynicism is based on:

The fact that in the immediate postwar situation only the oil fields and the oil ministry received anything like sufficient protection whilst looting was rampant throughout Iraq.The oil was/is the Iraqis only means of producing capital and was a valuable natural resource, we also had to worry bout the Iraqis setting them afire...or do you forget that the Iraqis laid fire to over 700 Kuwait wells during the first Gulf War, thereby blackening the daytime sky and whose fumes many of us vets led to the introduction of it as a factor in Gulf War Syndrome. and the cost of the repair alone would delay much needed capital from being reintroduced into the economy, looting while a tragedy was not our main concern, making sure the Republican Guard or Feyadeen launch any attacks was.

Or maybe that the U.S is none to keen to fairly distribute reconstruction and oil contracts with other nations but would rather all the profits went to themselves.[/quote] Why should we distribute contracts to companies from countries that didn't participate in the war?...Why should we give a contract to the French who openly opposed us?...or to the Russians or the Germans..??...they sure didn't support us, now that the lives being lost aren't there own...you want us to reward their actions with lucrative contracts?....also..Haliburton is one of the world's best at what they do..I see no reason why we shouldn't give contracts to an American company when it's our money, our blood, and our sweat that is working in Iraq.

You make me sick....Abu Ghraib should be demolished. Those prisoners were dehumanized, degraded, abused, tortured, and traumatized. Not only should the prison be demolished, ALL of the prisoners should be released, not just a few. Many government officials should immediately resign.Which officials? They weren't responsible for this, the soldiers who did it should be held accountable.

Also, not all of the people in that prison were innocent. I can imagine:
MP> Here's the stuff you were brought in with.
*hands over AK-47 and RPG launcher*
Inmate> Where's the ammo?
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You make me sick....Abu Ghraib should be demolished. Those prisoners were dehumanized, degraded, abused, tortured, and traumatized. Not only should the prison be demolished, ALL of the prisoners should be released, not just a few. Many government officials should immediately resign.Which officials? They weren't responsible for this, the soldiers who did it should be held accountable.

Also, not all of the people in that prison were innocent. I can imagine:
MP> Here's the stuff you were brought in with.
*hands over AK-47 and RPG launcher*
Inmate> Where's the ammo?
:roll:BS--they were carrying out a policy that came directly from the desk of Donald Rumsfeld

Smeagol, was there any purpose to this thread other than blatent flambaiting?

Yes. Word games are evil, but this, THIS THREAD is enlightening. :roll:

The stated purpose of the General Forum is for "discussion and debate".

The "purpose" of this thread was to spark just that, and it appears to have been successful in that purpose.

Word games do not spark debate, although they may spark discussion.

Perhaps a new server will allow their reintroduction.

Genaia--it's not about the oil. If anything, oil prices are going up here in the US, and it's common sense that if we were sucking away their oil prices would be going down.

why did we protect the oil fields, the oil ministry? Would you rather spend all the money of rebuilding all of that? You need oil from Iraq as much as anybody, and on June 30 the Iraqi government will start worrying about getting it to the rest of the world by itself. Plus, oil has a nasty tendency to explode when it gets lit on fire or shot at, so it's reasonable that the fields would get special protection.

The Iraqi government will be shaky enough when it gets installed, and one thing it doesn't have to worry about as much now is the oil.

It wasn't my intention to argue that the war was about oil (I think that it partly was however) but that the manner in which the U.S acted in the immediate postwar situation would infer to Iraqis that it was. Obvioulsy the oil wells are vital to the reconstruction of Iraq and need to be protected, but when they are virtually the only things being protected from looters and when the U.S is virtually the sole beneficiary from Iraqi oil contracts can you honestly be surprised when your average Iraqi forms the opinion that oil is the primary motivating factor for the invasion.

Well actually given that Britian is a member of OPEC, our need of oil is less than yours, but that's an irrelevant aside. Also the increasing price of oil is due to many factors - primarily increased demand due to the burgeoning economy of China and the general instability across the Middle East, Iraqi oil alone is not a sufficient counter to this.

The jail should stay open because the jail didn't torture prisoners, the wardens did.