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Below is some excerpts from an article that might answer some questions about the mood of Iraqis as this process goes into the next phase.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_hill/20040525.html

Sheik Answar al-Asi doesn't think the Americans get it. "Is this the peace that the Americans promised us? The situation is bad and it's getting worse."

Academics who specialize in Iraq are fond of the phrase "the shadow society." The theory says there is a small group of influential families who rule Iraq socially and economically regardless of who rules politically. They are a tight-knit class that has survived the Ottoman and British Empires, the Hashemite monarchy and the various dictators who have come in their place.

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"Where are the contracts that the Americans have promised us? Everything in this country is built by someone else, some foreign company. Why would we help them if they do not share the wealth of our own country?"

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"Look, we have lived together for a thousand years. We know each other. I know all of the top Kurdish and Turkmen leaders. And we know how to settle our differences. There is more going on in Iraq than the United States understands. They should go. We will reach agreements peacefully."

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"The Americans are crazy. Crazy. They go everywhere in convoys. And then bang- bang. They shoot. They kill innocent people. Then it is 'I am sorry.' Sorry! What is the use of 'sorry' when they have killed so many people?"

It is a perplexing question. Why has the American army performed so inadequately in Iraq? Why has the strongest army in the world been unable to control groups of badly armed militias who have no heavy artillery, no anti-tank weapons and no body armour?


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FROM A CONTRACTOR IN IRAQ:

"If you really want to win a war like this you must do foot patrols. You must send your troops through the toughest neighbourhoods in the city three, four times a day," says one former Rhodesian army veteran who fought in the guerrilla war against Mugabe's forces in the late 1970s.

"You cannot get good intelligence driving by in a Humvee. You have to show that you are afraid of nothing. Yes, you will take causalities but in the long run far fewer than they are now. It is not just a question of hearts and minds but showing that you are the toughest people around."

This post was to try and conjure up a view within Iraq, instead of our own narrow rhetorical insights. If nothing else, it may help us to understand the people of Iraq?

Thank you for your generalization of all Americans. I assume all Canadians drink beer, watch , hockey, say EH?, eat nothing but doughnuts and are stupid...

Your post is well written but based on prejudice.

Thank you for your generalization of all Americans. I assume all Canadians drink beer, watch , hockey, say EH?, eat nothing but doughnuts and are stupid...

Your post is well written but based on prejudice.
I think you missed the point? It is not a Canadian viewpoint.

I respect Americans very much BTW. Not a fan of Bush though.

This whole operation was..and still is being handled poorly.
and not by the troops...by the government that tells them what to do.
Aside from the fact that we should no longer be there especially without the support of THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WE CAME TO "LIBERATE".
These same people do not want us there...
If that is not enough of a reason to leave before this turns into another 'Nam, then what the hell is?
Constantly, we have been lied to about this war....its on terror...so we go after Osama.....fair enough...
Oh ..now its on Saddam Hussein.....oh..ok fine..Weapons of mass destruction, you say?
Look...none of those to be found.
Now its about "liberating the Iraqi people from oppression, and helping them set up a democracy that they dont want, and want no part of US.

So why are we there?

So if this isnt about securing oil interests, and establishing military bases in the Middle East.....
What the hell is it about?

Thank you for your generalization of all Americans. I assume all Canadians drink beer, watch , hockey, say EH?, eat nothing but doughnuts and are stupid...

Your post is well written but based on prejudice.
I think you missed the point? It is not a Canadian viewpoint.

I respect Americans very much BTW. Not a fan of Bush though.

Very sorry then . I was just put off by the title, I thought the post it'self was very well done.

Please accept my appology.

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

Thank you for your generalization of all Americans. I assume all Canadians drink beer, watch , hockey, say EH?, eat nothing but doughnuts and are stupid...

Your post is well written but based on prejudice.

We really do say 'eh?'! :)

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

Oh no please.....

Let me hear what youve got to say....

This whole operation was..and still is being handled poorly.
and not by the troops...by the government that tells them what to do.
Aside from the fact that we should no longer be there especially without the support of THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WE CAME TO "LIBERATE".
These same people do not want us there...
If that is not enough of a reason to leave before this turns into another 'Nam, then what the hell is?
Constantly, we have been lied to about this war....its on terror...so we go after Osama.....fair enough...
Oh ..now its on Saddam Hussein.....oh..ok fine..Weapons of mass destruction, you say?
Look...none of those to be found.
Now its about "liberating the Iraqi people from oppression, and helping them set up a democracy that they dont want, and want no part of US.

So why are we there?

So if this isnt about securing oil interests, and establishing military bases in the Middle East.....
What the hell is it about?
Well a part of the article alludes to what it is all about. That would be where the Sheik questions lack of Iraqi involvement in the rebuilding process. I believe that would be in reference to Bremer's Order 39, whereby MOST Iraqi businesses could be controlled by foreign interests.

This whole operation was..and still is being handled poorly.
and not by the troops...by the government that tells them what to do.
Aside from the fact that we should no longer be there especially without the support of THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WE CAME TO "LIBERATE".
These same people do not want us there...
If that is not enough of a reason to leave before this turns into another 'Nam, then what the hell is?
Constantly, we have been lied to about this war....its on terror...so we go after Osama.....fair enough...
Oh ..now its on Saddam Hussein.....oh..ok fine..Weapons of mass destruction, you say?
Look...none of those to be found.
Now its about "liberating the Iraqi people from oppression, and helping them set up a democracy that they dont want, and want no part of US.

So why are we there?

So if this isnt about securing oil interests, and establishing military bases in the Middle East.....
What the hell is it about?
Well a part of the article alludes to what it is all about. That would be where the Sheik questions lack of Iraqi involvement in the rebuilding process. I believe that would be in reference to Bremer's Order 39, whereby MOST Iraqi businesses could be controlled by foreign interests.

Precisely.
We arent helping them in any way.
were taking thier businesses, and establishing puppets to run that country for us.

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*

Thank you for your generalization of all Americans. I assume all Canadians drink beer, watch , hockey, say EH?, eat nothing but doughnuts and are stupid...

Your post is well written but based on prejudice.
I think you missed the point? It is not a Canadian viewpoint.

I respect Americans very much BTW. Not a fan of Bush though.

Very sorry then . I was just put off by the title, I thought the post it'self was very well done.

Please accept my appology.
Thank you, apology accepted.

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*My blog will soon launch... i'm going to stop posting repetitive political commentaries on NS... just a waste of time

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

Tired of defending the indefensible?

However, I think many would rather you attempt to see opposing viewpoints, instead of "giving up".

There is, obviously, no complete black or white, but the shades of grey seem stacked against the Conservatives.

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*My blog will soon launch... i'm going to stop posting repetitive political commentaries on NS... just a waste of time

Why? Because you see you and your neo-con friends dreams going down the toilet like we said would happen all along? Look around Ray.. The shift has happened.. People are waking up and opening their eyes. I knew it was only a matter of time.. Your neo-cons had their chance, they blew it.

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*My blog will soon launch... i'm going to stop posting repetitive political commentaries on NS... just a waste of time

Why? Because you see you and your neo-con friends dreams going down the toilet like we said would happen all along? Look around Ray.. The shift has happened.. People are waking up and opening their eyes. I knew it was only a matter of time.. Your neo-cons had their chance, they blew it.

The people are getting dumber as the lies of the left get bigger and more common.

CBC has no crediblity at all, that was one man, others say most Iraqi wants us there.

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

Tired of defending the indefensible?

However, I think many would rather you attempt to see opposing viewpoints, instead of "giving up".

There is, obviously, no complete black or white, but the shades of grey seem stacked against the Conservatives.


He gave up because he don't want to listen to the truth, its been defended and proven right, you just hold on to a complete lie.

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

Tired of defending the indefensible?

However, I think many would rather you attempt to see opposing viewpoints, instead of "giving up".

There is, obviously, no complete black or white, but the shades of grey seem stacked against the Conservatives.


He gave up because he don't want to listen to the truth, its been defended and proven right, you just hold on to a complete lie.

Oh it has?

What's been proven?

Saddam had links to Al Qaeda? Umm, NO
Saddam had WMD? Umm, NO
Saddam was a threat to America? Umm, NO..

What's been proven again?

Oh right! Bush lied and people died. We all know that.. yep, it's been proven!

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*My blog will soon launch... i'm going to stop posting repetitive political commentaries on NS... just a waste of time

Why? Because you see you and your neo-con friends dreams going down the toilet like we said would happen all along? Look around Ray.. The shift has happened.. People are waking up and opening their eyes. I knew it was only a matter of time.. Your neo-cons had their chance, they blew it.

The people are getting dumber as the lies of the left get bigger and more common.

CBC has no crediblity at all, that was one man, others say most Iraqi wants us there.

Oh please.

Are you trying to say that the Iraqi people are actually WELCOMING us ?
do you even watch the news?
Or do you just swallow whatever your president tells you?
You Conservies are just sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling loudly so you dont have to listen to the entire rest of the world.

Heres the news.....The Iraqi people dont want us there.

Oh right! Bush lied and people died. We all know that.. yep, it's been proven!

800 dead American soldiers can not be wrong......

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*My blog will soon launch... i'm going to stop posting repetitive political commentaries on NS... just a waste of time

Why? Because you see you and your neo-con friends dreams going down the toilet like we said would happen all along? Look around Ray.. The shift has happened.. People are waking up and opening their eyes. I knew it was only a matter of time.. Your neo-cons had their chance, they blew it.

The people are getting dumber as the lies of the left get bigger and more common.

CBC has no crediblity at all, that was one man, others say most Iraqi wants us there.

No, the people are getting smarter.

Despite the best attempts to create red herrings, we haven't forgotten the ludicrous claims of WMDs that commenced the present debacle.

All of the polls show that the credibility of Bush, Blair and co has plummeted.

Stand by for regime change in the coalition of the wilting.

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*My blog will soon launch... i'm going to stop posting repetitive political commentaries on NS... just a waste of time

Why? Because you see you and your neo-con friends dreams going down the toilet like we said would happen all along? Look around Ray.. The shift has happened.. People are waking up and opening their eyes. I knew it was only a matter of time.. Your neo-cons had their chance, they blew it.

The people are getting dumber as the lies of the left get bigger and more common.

CBC has no crediblity at all, that was one man, others say most Iraqi wants us there.

Oh please.

Are you trying to say that the Iraqi people are actually WELCOMING us ?
do you even watch the news?
Or do you just swallow whatever your president tells you?
You Conservies are just sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling loudly so you dont have to listen to the entire rest of the world.

Heres the news.....The Iraqi people dont want us there.


:roll:

This is why we have given up.

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*My blog will soon launch... i'm going to stop posting repetitive political commentaries on NS... just a waste of time

Why? Because you see you and your neo-con friends dreams going down the toilet like we said would happen all along? Look around Ray.. The shift has happened.. People are waking up and opening their eyes. I knew it was only a matter of time.. Your neo-cons had their chance, they blew it.

The people are getting dumber as the lies of the left get bigger and more common.

CBC has no crediblity at all, that was one man, others say most Iraqi wants us there.

Oh please.

Are you trying to say that the Iraqi people are actually WELCOMING us ?
do you even watch the news?
Or do you just swallow whatever your president tells you?
You Conservies are just sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling loudly so you dont have to listen to the entire rest of the world.

Heres the news.....The Iraqi people dont want us there.


:roll:

This is why we have given up.

Becuase you cant argue with the cold hard facts?

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

Tired of defending the indefensible?

However, I think many would rather you attempt to see opposing viewpoints, instead of "giving up".

There is, obviously, no complete black or white, but the shades of grey seem stacked against the Conservatives.


He gave up because he don't want to listen to the truth, its been defended and proven right, you just hold on to a complete lie.

Oh it has?

What's been proven?

Saddam had links to Al Qaeda? Umm, NO
Saddam had WMD? Umm, NO
Saddam was a threat to America? Umm, NO..

What's been proven again?

Oh right! Bush lied and people died. We all know that.. yep, it's been proven!


Saddam aided terrorists and gave them a safe haven
Saddam claimed all dangerous gases were destroyed, that was proven wrong
Saddam was a threat to America because he gave terrorists a safe haven and made peace between Israel and the West Bank impossible


There.

Becuase you cant argue with the cold hard facts?

I was going to provide assistance but Mr. S. Squish seems to be taking care of things.

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*My blog will soon launch... i'm going to stop posting repetitive political commentaries on NS... just a waste of time

Why? Because you see you and your neo-con friends dreams going down the toilet like we said would happen all along? Look around Ray.. The shift has happened.. People are waking up and opening their eyes. I knew it was only a matter of time.. Your neo-cons had their chance, they blew it.

The people are getting dumber as the lies of the left get bigger and more common.

CBC has no crediblity at all, that was one man, others say most Iraqi wants us there.

Oh please.

Are you trying to say that the Iraqi people are actually WELCOMING us ?
do you even watch the news?
Or do you just swallow whatever your president tells you?
You Conservies are just sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling loudly so you dont have to listen to the entire rest of the world.

Heres the news.....The Iraqi people dont want us there.


:roll:

This is why we have given up.

Becuase you cant argue with the cold hard facts?


No, Because the left won't listen to them.

Becuase you cant argue with the cold hard facts?

I was going to provide assistance but Mr. S. Squish seems to be taking care of things.


By looking foolish, he hasn't given me anything.

Becuase you cant argue with the cold hard facts?

That's pretty much the gist of it Backwood.. they've got nothing left.. all their old tired arguments have been proven to either be false or outright lies.. the gig is up!. Buh bye Neo-Cons.. (don't let the door hit you on the way out) :P

Becuase you cant argue with the cold hard facts?

That's pretty much the gist of it Backwood.. they've got nothing left.. all their old tired arguments have been proven to either be false or outright lies.. the gig is up!. Buh bye Neo-Cons.. (don't let the door hit you on the way out) :P


What lies? Nothing has been proven! The left has lied about this and you believed them!

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*My blog will soon launch... i'm going to stop posting repetitive political commentaries on NS... just a waste of time

Why? Because you see you and your neo-con friends dreams going down the toilet like we said would happen all along? Look around Ray.. The shift has happened.. People are waking up and opening their eyes. I knew it was only a matter of time.. Your neo-cons had their chance, they blew it.

The people are getting dumber as the lies of the left get bigger and more common.

CBC has no crediblity at all, that was one man, others say most Iraqi wants us there.

Oh please.

Are you trying to say that the Iraqi people are actually WELCOMING us ?
do you even watch the news?
Or do you just swallow whatever your president tells you?
You Conservies are just sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling loudly so you dont have to listen to the entire rest of the world.

Heres the news.....The Iraqi people dont want us there.


:roll:

This is why we have given up.

Becuase you cant argue with the cold hard facts?


No, Because the left won't listen to them.

Oh...

So now it us liberals that wont listen to the truth?

Do you even watch the news?

Prisoner abuse is rampant.
Iraqi citizens are solidifying their patriotism by becoming anti-american.
Soldiers are still dying, fighting the very same people that Bush claims to want to "help"...
The rest of the world wants nothing to do with this war....

Osama STILL isnt caught.

How are we misinterperating these events?

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*My blog will soon launch... i'm going to stop posting repetitive political commentaries on NS... just a waste of time

Why? Because you see you and your neo-con friends dreams going down the toilet like we said would happen all along? Look around Ray.. The shift has happened.. People are waking up and opening their eyes. I knew it was only a matter of time.. Your neo-cons had their chance, they blew it.

The people are getting dumber as the lies of the left get bigger and more common.

CBC has no crediblity at all, that was one man, others say most Iraqi wants us there.

Oh please.

Are you trying to say that the Iraqi people are actually WELCOMING us ?
do you even watch the news?
Or do you just swallow whatever your president tells you?
You Conservies are just sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling loudly so you dont have to listen to the entire rest of the world.

Heres the news.....The Iraqi people dont want us there.


:roll:

This is why we have given up.

Becuase you cant argue with the cold hard facts?


No, Because the left won't listen to them.

Oh...

So now it us liberals that wont listen to the truth?

Do you even watch the news?

Prisoner abuse is rampant.
Iraqi citizens are solidifying their patriotism by becoming anti-american.
Soldiers are still dying, fighting the very same people that Bush claims to want to "help"...
The rest of the world wants nothing to do with this war....

Osama STILL isnt caught.

How are we misinterperating these events?

1. It was one prison and the abuse is over.
2. It is a FEW terrorists not the whole country!
3. Terrorists are killing people tryind to bring back a dead regime
4. That really can't be proven


There again, hide in your lies if you must.

BTW, Osama isn't in Iraq he is in Afghanistan, This war wasn't about castching him there.

Becuase you cant argue with the cold hard facts?

That's pretty much the gist of it Backwood.. they've got nothing left.. all their old tired arguments have been proven to either be false or outright lies.. the gig is up!. Buh bye Neo-Cons.. (don't let the door hit you on the way out) :P


What lies? Nothing has been proven! The left has lied about this and you believed them!

"Saddam aided terrorists and gave them a safe haven."

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

"Saddam claimed all dangerous gases were destroyed, that was proven wrong"

Oh yes, one can of Sarin gas was well worth the lives of over 700 Americans and thousands of Iraqi's and over 200 billion of the Americans tax payer dollars.

"Saddam was a threat to America because he gave terrorists a safe haven and made peace between Israel and the West Bank impossible"

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

I understand your type.. "Hey look, Russia attacked us, lets go bomb China"

Then they wonder why they are going down the toilet... :roll:

Becuase you cant argue with the cold hard facts?

That's pretty much the gist of it Backwood.. they've got nothing left.. all their old tired arguments have been proven to either be false or outright lies.. the gig is up!. Buh bye Neo-Cons.. (don't let the door hit you on the way out) :P


What lies? Nothing has been proven! The left has lied about this and you believed them!

"Saddam aided terrorists and gave them a safe haven."

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

"Saddam claimed all dangerous gases were destroyed, that was proven wrong"

Oh yes, one can of Sarin gas was well worth the lives of over 700 Americans and thousands of Iraqi's and over 200 billion of the Americans tax payer dollars.

"Saddam was a threat to America because he gave terrorists a safe haven and made peace between Israel and the West Bank impossible"

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

I understand your type.. "Hey look, Russia attacked us, lets go bomb China"

Then they wonder why they are going down the toilet... :roll:

I feel your pain Raysia, these people get confronted with the truth and then spout lies.

BTW,

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Okay, lets go through this one last time.

Iraq, a country that was artificially created by the British so that they could maintain control over both the oil fields near Mosul and to block possible Russian expansion.

Its three main ethno-national groups, the sunni (trained by the Ottomans to be the bureaucracy) have controlled the larger Shiite and Kurdish groups since the nations inception.

The Al-Tikriti tribe was been in control of the Sunni dominated government since 1968.

The Ba'athist party of Iraq under Saddam was secular and frequently at odds, sometimes all out war, with other more religiously based state and non-state actors (Iran, Al-Qaeda, Saudi Arabia).

There has never been a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq UNTILL after the invasion by American forces.

Saddam Hussein did provide financial aide to terrorist groups in the West Bank but so did most other Arab states including Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria and Iran. (Mind you, what's happened with the FRU in Northern Ireland doesn't paint the best picture of the West, not that I am comparing them). Funny we should go after him now when he has been doing this since the end of the first gulf war, which is when he still had sizeable WMD's.

At the current moment, the only conclusive link to WMD's has been a single Sarin filled shell used as a roadside explosive device. Will more be found? Probably. Enough to justify 68 billion dollars and thousands of lives? No.

Saddam had no offensive aspirations in the region, his military was in shambles and he lacked the most rudimentary force projection capabilities. His WMD program was considerably less advanced then what was thought and his support of terrorism was moderate compared to some allies we have.

[quote:cd4039126b="Raysian Military Tech"]*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*My blog will soon launch... i'm going to stop posting repetitive political commentaries on NS... just a waste of time

Why? Because you see you and your neo-con friends dreams going down the toilet like we said would happen all along? Look around Ray.. The shift has happened.. People are waking up and opening their eyes. I knew it was only a matter of time.. Your neo-cons had their chance, they blew it.

The people are getting dumber as the lies of the left get bigger and more common.

CBC has no crediblity at all, that was one man, others say most Iraqi wants us there.

Oh please.

Are you trying to say that the Iraqi people are actually WELCOMING us ?
do you even watch the news?
Or do you just swallow whatever your president tells you?
You Conservies are just sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling loudly so you dont have to listen to the entire rest of the world.

Heres the news.....The Iraqi people dont want us there.


:roll:

This is why we have given up.

Becuase you cant argue with the cold hard facts?


No, Because the left won't listen to them.

Oh...

So now it us liberals that wont listen to the truth?

Do you even watch the news?

Prisoner abuse is rampant.
Iraqi citizens are solidifying their patriotism by becoming anti-american.
Soldiers are still dying, fighting the very same people that Bush claims to want to "help"...
The rest of the world wants nothing to do with this war....

Osama STILL isnt caught.

How are we misinterperating these events?

1. It was one prison and the abuse is over.
2. It is a FEW terrorists not the whole country!
3. Terrorists are killing people tryind to bring back a dead regime
4. That really can't be proven


There again, hide in your lies if you must.[/quote:cd4039126b]

Your mistake si that you are confused as to who is..and who is not a terrorist.
Donald Rumsfeld.....your hero...even says that the Iraqi people are solidifying thier patriotism by becoming anti-aqmerican.
This means that the very same people who are shooting and killing our soldeirs, are the same people who we are supposed to help.

and you just dont get that do you?

They are NOT trying to bring back a dead regime.......everyone knows that Hussein has been captured.
They are fighting, who they see as another dictator.

what cant be proven?
That the rest of the world wants nothing to do with this war, or that we still dont have Osama...either way.....if you dont understand that...you are lying to yourself.


You call Liberals liars?

what lies are we going to hear next from Bush?

How you reason that Bushes approval rating has fallen below 50%?
Coincidence?

When are you going to wake up and think for yourself, instead of swallowing whatever the Whitehouse or Fox News feeds you?

I understand your type.. "Hey look, Russia attacked us, lets go bomb China" Russia

China

BTW, Osama isn't in Iraq he is in Afghanistan, This war wasn't about castching him there.

All part of the "War on Terror".

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Yes, I can.. it backs up what we've been saying.. Saddam was no threat to America.. Palestine has never done any thing to America, then again, neither had Saddam.

Its like talking to a brickwall, I will join you Raysia, I give up trying to enlighten these brainwashed pawns of the left.

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Yes, I can.. it backs up what we've been saying.. Saddam was no threat to America.. Palestine has never done any thing to America, then again, neither had Saddam.


The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Its like talking to a brickwall, I will join you Raysia, I give up trying to enlighten these brainwashed pawns of the left.

Good, quit.

In order to "enlighten" us...maybe try using at least ONE correct statement.

Wow, that was fun to watch.

Its like talking to a brickwall, I will join you Raysia, I give up trying to enlighten these brainwashed pawns of the left.

Good, quit.

In order to "enlighten" us...maybe try using at least ONE correct statement.


All my statements have been correct, you just refuse to listen.

Its like talking to a brickwall, I will join you Raysia, I give up trying to enlighten these brainwashed pawns of the left.

Yeah, you kids stick together, leave the serious politics to us adults ;)

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Yes, I can.. it backs up what we've been saying.. Saddam was no threat to America.. Palestine has never done any thing to America, then again, neither had Saddam.


The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Now your grasping at straws.

Name one American soldier who has been killed by a Palestinian, while in Isreal.

Its like talking to a brickwall, I will join you Raysia, I give up trying to enlighten these brainwashed pawns of the left.

Yeah, you kids stick together, leave the serious politics to us adults ;)


If you want to be an adult, act like one.

The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Hey, I thought you were going to quit !!! Stop lieing to me !!!

Its like talking to a brickwall, I will join you Raysia, I give up trying to enlighten these brainwashed pawns of the left.

Good, quit.

In order to "enlighten" us...maybe try using at least ONE correct statement.


All my statements have been correct, you just refuse to listen.


WHAT??

Name ONE fact that you have mentioned......JUST ONE.

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Yes, I can.. it backs up what we've been saying.. Saddam was no threat to America.. Palestine has never done any thing to America, then again, neither had Saddam.


The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Now your grasping at straws.

Name one American soldier who has been killed by a Palestinian, while in Isreal.


OMG!!! Thats not the fricken point! The israel palestine conflict is used as a tool by terrorists to gain support against us, GOT THAT!

The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Hey, I thought you were going to quit !!! Stop lieing to me !!!


How was that a lie?

Its like talking to a brickwall, I will join you Raysia, I give up trying to enlighten these brainwashed pawns of the left.

Good, quit.

In order to "enlighten" us...maybe try using at least ONE correct statement.


All my statements have been correct, you just refuse to listen.


WHAT??

Name ONE fact that you have mentioned......JUST ONE.


All of them.

The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Hey, I thought you were going to quit !!! Stop lieing to me !!!


How was that a lie?

Ok I will try to use small words.

You said you were going to quit posting (paraphrase..dang I used a big word)

You posted again

You lied.

Its like talking to a brickwall, I will join you Raysia, I give up trying to enlighten these brainwashed pawns of the left.

Good, quit.

In order to "enlighten" us...maybe try using at least ONE correct statement.


All my statements have been correct, you just refuse to listen.

Please provide them to me in point form so that my miniscule liberal brain can understand them.

And by liberal I mean blue blood conservative who still thinks this war is wrong for the reasons the Bush administration puts forth to the public.

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Yes, I can.. it backs up what we've been saying.. Saddam was no threat to America.. Palestine has never done any thing to America, then again, neither had Saddam.


The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Now your grasping at straws.

Name one American soldier who has been killed by a Palestinian, while in Isreal.


OMG!!! Thats not the fricken point! The israel palestine conflict is used as a tool by terrorists to gain support against us, GOT THAT!

It most certainly IS the frickin point.
Your trying to alledge that "terrorists" trty to garner support against us..becuase we support financially Isreal...right?

So..you tell me..who are these terrorists ..and what threat to they DIRECTLY pose to the U.S.

Its like talking to a brickwall, I will join you Raysia, I give up trying to enlighten these brainwashed pawns of the left.

Yeah, you kids stick together, leave the serious politics to us adults ;)


If you want to be an adult, act like one.

I don't actually want to be an adult.. being a kid was much more fun.. but sadly.. I must live my second childhood through my own two kids.. well and some of the kids off NS.. because many of you are simply ADORABLE!

The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Hey, I thought you were going to quit !!! Stop lieing to me !!!


How was that a lie?

Ok I will try to use small words.

You said you were going to quit posting (paraphrase..dang I used a big word)

You posted again

You lied.

I meant how was by statement a lie? The one you responded to!

Its like talking to a brickwall, I will join you Raysia, I give up trying to enlighten these brainwashed pawns of the left.

Good, quit.

In order to "enlighten" us...maybe try using at least ONE correct statement.


All my statements have been correct, you just refuse to listen.


WHAT??

Name ONE fact that you have mentioned......JUST ONE.


All of them.


Your so full of it.


Name ONE.....IF YOU CAN.

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Yes, I can.. it backs up what we've been saying.. Saddam was no threat to America.. Palestine has never done any thing to America, then again, neither had Saddam.


The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Now your grasping at straws.

Name one American soldier who has been killed by a Palestinian, while in Isreal.


OMG!!! Thats not the fricken point! The israel palestine conflict is used as a tool by terrorists to gain support against us, GOT THAT!

It most certainly IS the frickin point.
Your trying to alledge that "terrorists" trty to garner support against us..becuase we support financially Isreal...right?

So..you tell me..who are these terrorists ..and what threat to they DIRECTLY pose to the U.S.


Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.

Its like talking to a brickwall, I will join you Raysia, I give up trying to enlighten these brainwashed pawns of the left.

Good, quit.

In order to "enlighten" us...maybe try using at least ONE correct statement.


All my statements have been correct, you just refuse to listen.


WHAT??

Name ONE fact that you have mentioned......JUST ONE.


All of them.


Your so full of it.


Name ONE.....IF YOU CAN.


They were all true, now stop with your oneliners and flames.

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Yes, I can.. it backs up what we've been saying.. Saddam was no threat to America.. Palestine has never done any thing to America, then again, neither had Saddam.


The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Now your grasping at straws.

Name one American soldier who has been killed by a Palestinian, while in Isreal.


OMG!!! Thats not the fricken point! The israel palestine conflict is used as a tool by terrorists to gain support against us, GOT THAT!

It most certainly IS the frickin point.
Your trying to alledge that "terrorists" trty to garner support against us..becuase we support financially Isreal...right?

So..you tell me..who are these terrorists ..and what threat to they DIRECTLY pose to the U.S.


Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.


Neither Hamas, nor Hezbollah, nor Islamic Jyhad have ever directly attacked US interests.

Al -Qeada had no ties to Iraq, prior to the US invasion of Iraq.

Colin Powell agrees with me.

Hey, I thought you were going to quit !!! Stop lieing to me !!!


How was that a lie?

Ok I will try to use small words.

You said you were going to quit posting (paraphrase..dang I used a big word)

You posted again

You lied.

I meant how was by statement a lie? The one you responded to!

Did you even read my response ? Did you ? Read it again ? One more time ? Ok, now I will clip the above pyramid so it will all make sense for you.

Ok, now read it again.

Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.

See here in lies your problem.. only Al Qaeda attacked America.. and Al Qaeda doesn't operate in Israel.. you're going to have to come up with a different one.. sorry.. 8)

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Yes, I can.. it backs up what we've been saying.. Saddam was no threat to America.. Palestine has never done any thing to America, then again, neither had Saddam.


The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Now your grasping at straws.

Name one American soldier who has been killed by a Palestinian, while in Isreal.


OMG!!! Thats not the fricken point! The israel palestine conflict is used as a tool by terrorists to gain support against us, GOT THAT!

It most certainly IS the frickin point.
Your trying to alledge that "terrorists" trty to garner support against us..becuase we support financially Isreal...right?

So..you tell me..who are these terrorists ..and what threat to they DIRECTLY pose to the U.S.


Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.


Neither Hamas, nor Hezbollah, nor Islamic Jyhad have ever directly attacked US interests.

Al -Qeada had no ties to Iraq, prior to the US invasion of Iraq.

Colin Powell agrees with me.


You asked what terrorists used it, and I told you. Remember that there are more than you know and all use Israel as a tool, and it works. Understand genius?

Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.

See here in lies your problem.. only Al Qaeda attacked America.. and Al Qaeda doesn't operate in Israel.. you're going to have to come up with a different one.. sorry.. 8)


Are you even listening? Al Qaeda uses the Israeli problem to gain support, got that? Al Qaeda is in 80 countries, even the US and Canada, how do you know they aren't in Israel?

Nice Try steph, but no cigar! 8)

Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.

Okay, lets all take a little trip through history park.

Hamas has gone to great lengths to avoid ever attacking American military personel in joint exercises with Israeli units. They in part responsible for attacks that have killed approx. 50 American dual citizens and in response their accounts have been frozen in the United States.

They have never, ever officially called for the destruction of America (that I am aware off). They are smarted then that.

Hezbollah is now a political party and hasn't acted against America sinse the Marine Base bombing. They occasionally attack Israel with rockets.

Al Qaeda claims that it is fighting for the Palestinians but no Palestinian group has ever accepted their help. Most in fact vehemtly deny any association with Al Qaeda including Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al-Aqsas Martyr Brigade.

Al Qaeda is trying to establish a global caliphat so they would use another cause such as the civil insurrections in Nigeria or Malaysia if they sought it would get them support.

You asked what terrorists used it, and I told you. Remember that there are more than you know and all use Israel as a tool, and it works. Understand genius?

Ah, but now you're trying to change the subject.. what does Saddam have to do with Al Qaeda? Nothing.. which is what we stated.. so... the connection is not between Israel and the United States.. the connection was suppose to be between Al Qaeda and Saddam.. nice try to do a fast switch.. but you're going to have to wake up earlier then that to fool us stupid liberals..lol :P

Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.

Okay, lets all take a little trip through history park.

Hamas has gone to great lengths to avoid ever attacking American military personel in joint exercises with Israeli units. They in part responsible for attacks that have killed approx. 50 American dual citizens and in response their accounts have been frozen in the United States.

They have never, ever officially called for the destruction of America (that I am aware off). They are smarted then that.

Hezbollah is now a political party and hasn't acted against America sinse the Marine Base bombing. They occasionally attack Israel with rockets.

Al Qaeda claims that it is fighting for the Palestinians but no Palestinian group has ever accepted their help. Most in fact vehemtly deny any association with Al Qaeda including Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al-Aqsas Martyr Brigade.

Al Qaeda is trying to establish a global caliphat so they would use another cause such as the civil insurrections in Nigeria or Malaysia if they sought it would get them support.


Did I ever say Hamas or Hezbollah attack us? NO!

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Yes, I can.. it backs up what we've been saying.. Saddam was no threat to America.. Palestine has never done any thing to America, then again, neither had Saddam.


The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Now your grasping at straws.

Name one American soldier who has been killed by a Palestinian, while in Isreal.


OMG!!! Thats not the fricken point! The israel palestine conflict is used as a tool by terrorists to gain support against us, GOT THAT!

It most certainly IS the frickin point.
Your trying to alledge that "terrorists" trty to garner support against us..becuase we support financially Isreal...right?

So..you tell me..who are these terrorists ..and what threat to they DIRECTLY pose to the U.S.


Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.


Neither Hamas, nor Hezbollah, nor Islamic Jyhad have ever directly attacked US interests.

Al -Qeada had no ties to Iraq, prior to the US invasion of Iraq.

Colin Powell agrees with me.


You asked what terrorists used it, and I told you. Remember that there are more than you know and all use Israel as a tool, and it works. Understand genius?

You really are in over your head here.
Im gonna write this slowly..becuase you cant read real fast can ya?....(har har!)

You tried making a connection between Saddam Hussein and terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezzbollah, Islamic Jyhad.....

and I just wiped your arguement off the floor...

Colin Powell admits that A-Qeada, had no ties to Iraq, before we invaded.

So...Where is the logic in your statement?

How does this affect the war in Iraq?

why are you wearing blinders?

Whats right with the Americans?

You asked what terrorists used it, and I told you. Remember that there are more than you know and all use Israel as a tool, and it works. Understand genius?

Ah, but now you're trying to change the subject.. what does Saddam have to do with Al Qaeda? Nothing.. which is what we stated.. so... the connection is not between Israel and the United States.. the connection was suppose to be between Al Qaeda and Saddam.. nice try to do a fast switch.. but you're going to have to wake up earlier then that to fool us stupid liberals..lol :P


Ha, Nice try, go read past posts, you changed the subject not me, and you already admitted Saddam helped Palestine.

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Yes, I can.. it backs up what we've been saying.. Saddam was no threat to America.. Palestine has never done any thing to America, then again, neither had Saddam.


The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Now your grasping at straws.

Name one American soldier who has been killed by a Palestinian, while in Isreal.


OMG!!! Thats not the fricken point! The israel palestine conflict is used as a tool by terrorists to gain support against us, GOT THAT!

It most certainly IS the frickin point.
Your trying to alledge that "terrorists" trty to garner support against us..becuase we support financially Isreal...right?

So..you tell me..who are these terrorists ..and what threat to they DIRECTLY pose to the U.S.


Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.


Neither Hamas, nor Hezbollah, nor Islamic Jyhad have ever directly attacked US interests.

Al -Qeada had no ties to Iraq, prior to the US invasion of Iraq.

Colin Powell agrees with me.


You asked what terrorists used it, and I told you. Remember that there are more than you know and all use Israel as a tool, and it works. Understand genius?

You really are in over your head here.
Im gonna write this slowly..becuase you cant read real fast can ya?....(har har!)

You tried making a connection between Saddam Hussein and terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezzbollah, Islamic Jyhad.....

and I just wiped your arguement off the floor...

Colin Powell admits that A-Qeada, had no ties to Iraq, before we invaded.

So...Where is the logic in your statement?

How does this affect the war in Iraq?

why are you wearing blinders?

I didn't try to connect Saddam with Hamas or Hezbollah, nice try, but please don't lie about me. I won and you lost.

Whats right with the Americans?


You must be European. :roll:

Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.

Okay, lets all take a little trip through history park.

Hamas has gone to great lengths to avoid ever attacking American military personel in joint exercises with Israeli units. They in part responsible for attacks that have killed approx. 50 American dual citizens and in response their accounts have been frozen in the United States.

They have never, ever officially called for the destruction of America (that I am aware off). They are smarted then that.

Hezbollah is now a political party and hasn't acted against America sinse the Marine Base bombing. They occasionally attack Israel with rockets.

Al Qaeda claims that it is fighting for the Palestinians but no Palestinian group has ever accepted their help. Most in fact vehemtly deny any association with Al Qaeda including Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al-Aqsas Martyr Brigade.

Al Qaeda is trying to establish a global caliphat so they would use another cause such as the civil insurrections in Nigeria or Malaysia if they sought it would get them support.


Did I ever say Hamas or Hezbollah attack us? NO!

You raised these groups as demonstrations of terrorist organizations who use the Israel/Palestine conflict as a means of securing the necessary resources to act against America.

You brought these groups into this discussion so don't get pissy when someone calls you on them.

Whats right with the Americans?


You must be European. :roll:

Yes, everyone knows Europeans eat babies.

Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.

Okay, lets all take a little trip through history park.

Hamas has gone to great lengths to avoid ever attacking American military personel in joint exercises with Israeli units. They in part responsible for attacks that have killed approx. 50 American dual citizens and in response their accounts have been frozen in the United States.

They have never, ever officially called for the destruction of America (that I am aware off). They are smarted then that.

Hezbollah is now a political party and hasn't acted against America sinse the Marine Base bombing. They occasionally attack Israel with rockets.

Al Qaeda claims that it is fighting for the Palestinians but no Palestinian group has ever accepted their help. Most in fact vehemtly deny any association with Al Qaeda including Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al-Aqsas Martyr Brigade.

Al Qaeda is trying to establish a global caliphat so they would use another cause such as the civil insurrections in Nigeria or Malaysia if they sought it would get them support.


Did I ever say Hamas or Hezbollah attack us? NO!

You raised these groups as demonstrations of terrorist organizations who use the Israel/Palestine conflict as a means of securing the necessary resources to act against America.

You brought these groups into this discussion so don't get pissy when someone calls you on them.


Hey listen, Backwoods brought them in by asking me.

[quote]Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Yes, I can.. it backs up what we've been saying.. Saddam was no threat to America.. Palestine has never done any thing to America, then again, neither had Saddam.


The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Now your grasping at straws.

Name one American soldier who has been killed by a Palestinian, while in Isreal.


OMG!!! Thats not the fricken point! The israel palestine conflict is used as a tool by terrorists to gain support against us, GOT THAT!

It most certainly IS the frickin point.
Your trying to alledge that "terrorists" trty to garner support against us..becuase we support financially Isreal...right?

So..you tell me..who are these terrorists ..and what threat to they DIRECTLY pose to the U.S.


Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.


Neither Hamas, nor Hezbollah, nor Islamic Jyhad have ever directly attacked US interests.

Al -Qeada had no ties to Iraq, prior to the US invasion of Iraq.

Colin Powell agrees with me.


You asked what terrorists used it, and I told you. Remember that there are more than you know and all use Israel as a tool, and it works. Understand genius?

You really are in over your head here.
Im gonna write this slowly..becuase you cant read real fast can ya?....(har har!)

You tried making a connection between Saddam Hussein and terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezzbollah, Islamic Jyhad.....

and I just wiped your arguement off the floor...

Colin Powell admits that A-Qeada, had no ties to Iraq, before we invaded.

So...Where is the logic in your statement?

How does this affect the war in Iraq?

why are you wearing blinders?

I didn't try to connect Saddam with Hamas or Hezbollah, nice try, but please don't lie about me. I won and you lost.[/quote:96395c8d6e]

WHAAAAT?

Are you on something?

You asked what terrorists used it, and I told you. Remember that there are more than you know and all use Israel as a tool, and it works. Understand genius?

Ah, but now you're trying to change the subject.. what does Saddam have to do with Al Qaeda? Nothing.. which is what we stated.. so... the connection is not between Israel and the United States.. the connection was suppose to be between Al Qaeda and Saddam.. nice try to do a fast switch.. but you're going to have to wake up earlier then that to fool us stupid liberals..lol :P


Ha, Nice try, go read past posts, you changed the subject not me, and you already admitted Saddam helped Palestine.

I was pointing out to you when you said Saddam supported terrorists that he in fact has only ever helped the families of Palestinians.. which had nothing to do with Al Qaeda.. thus had nothing to do with any threat on America.. because Palestine has never done any thing to America.. We are not talking about the Israeli/Palestine conflict.. we are talking about the war in Iraq..

Can we please knock off all the quote pyramids please.. Thank you.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Can we please knock off all the quote pyramids please.. Thank you.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Oh I want to cry.

Saddam only helped Palestine.. nothing to do with America.. He had no ties to international terrorism.

If I'm not mistaken it's Israel and Palestine making peace impossible.

Can anybody make a connection here? :lol:

Yes, I can.. it backs up what we've been saying.. Saddam was no threat to America.. Palestine has never done any thing to America, then again, neither had Saddam.


The West Bank Israel problems is what causes alot of Hatred towards America and that makes it vital we fix it, Saddam aided Palestine as you said, he was a problem.

You are wrong Steph, just admitt it!

Now your grasping at straws.

Name one American soldier who has been killed by a Palestinian, while in Isreal.


OMG!!! Thats not the fricken point! The israel palestine conflict is used as a tool by terrorists to gain support against us, GOT THAT!

It most certainly IS the frickin point.
Your trying to alledge that "terrorists" trty to garner support against us..becuase we support financially Isreal...right?

So..you tell me..who are these terrorists ..and what threat to they DIRECTLY pose to the U.S.


Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda.. they all use it, go look it up.

This is what you wrote.

But before that:

"Saddam was a threat to America because he gave terrorists a safe haven and made peace between Israel and the West Bank impossible"

Weve seen the rest of the arguement that tells you that the only terrorist group to attack American intererests was Al-Qeada, and they had no ties to Iraq, before we invaded that county.

Your losing this arguement...badly.

Your losing this arguement...badly.

He is.. and I'm not sure he realizes it..

P.S. Can we please knock off all the quote pyramids.. thanks you.. (That's a mod comment btw ;) )

If he does not respond, I will take up the battered Neo-Con banner and charge with all the zeal, leadership and strategic ability of the Light Brigade.

Tally Ho!!!!

So whats the maximum number of quotes we can use in one pyramid.
Im only asking cause Im no spammer......I have no need for magical powers.

Just the Jedi mind trick.

If he does not respond, I will take up the battered Neo-Con banner and charge with all the zeal, leadership and strategic ability of the Light Brigade.

Tally Ho!!!!

Into the belly of the beast!

Canons to the right of us......Canons to the left!!

Into the belly of the beast!

Canons to the right of us......Canons to the left!!

With Lord Ralgan at our back, we shall push the damn Muscovites all the way to Archangel!

For King and Country!

Into the belly of the beast!

Canons to the right of us......Canons to the left!!

With Lord Ralgan at our back, we shall push the damn Muscovites all the way to Archangel!

For King and Country!

WAIT....

Didnt the Light Brigade get slaughtered??

Is it too late to change sides??

So whats the maximum number of quotes we can use in one pyramid.
Im only asking cause Im no spammer......I have no need for magical powers.

Just the Jedi mind trick.

Well.. not that there is a max per se.. but it's usually good to just quote what you tend to address.. but when you have half the page in past quotes, that's probably a good sign that it's time to cut it off to just what you want to address.. I know in the heat of the moment we all want to just get our post in quickly because these debates can move fast.. I've done it too.. but just try not to if you don't have to.. it's not spam.. this is a political discussion with merit.. it's just really annoying and a lot of times your point/argument gets lost in the quotes.. so.. please just try to refrain when possible..

Thanks :)

So whats the maximum number of quotes we can use in one pyramid.
Im only asking cause Im no spammer......I have no need for magical powers.

Just the Jedi mind trick.

Well.. not that there is a max per se.. but it's usually good to just quote what you tend to address.. but when you have half the page in past quotes, that's probably a good sign that it's time to cut it off to just what you want to address.. I know in the heat of the moment we all want to just get our post in quickly because these debates can move fast.. I've done it too.. but just try not to if you don't have to.. it's not spam.. this is a political discussion with merit.. it's just really annoying and a lot of times your point/argument gets lost in the quotes.. so.. please just try to refrain when possible..

Thanks :)

Duly noted.

"These arent the droids your looking for."

I think we lost the kid.. and he was easy too.. that was fun.. :lol:

WAIT....

Didnt the Light Brigade get slaughtered??

Is it too late to change sides??

We had men like you during the Boer War, we called them Welsh.

(Just kidding, I love the Welsh. What with their ancestral misfortune of being so close to the expanding Normans).

WAIT....

Didnt the Light Brigade get slaughtered??

Is it too late to change sides??

We had men like you during the Boer War, we called them Welsh.

(Just kidding, I love the Welsh. What with their ancestral misfortune of being so close to the expanding Normans).


I believe it was Emporer Tiberius who once said...

"Location.. location ...location!!"

I believe it was Emporer Tiberius who once said...

"Location.. location ...location!!"

So much better then Emperor Caligula...

"Why does the sea mock me? Is it because I slept with my mother? Well, I'll show it who's boss. Prepare my legions, we attack the realm of Neptune tomorrow!"

I believe it was Emporer Tiberius who once said...

"Location.. location ...location!!"

So much better then Emperor Caligula...

"Why does the sea mock me? Is it because I slept with my mother? Well, I'll show it who's boss. Prepare my legions, we attack the realm of Neptune tomorrow!"

You think it was genetic?

I believe it was Emporer Tiberius who once said...

"Location.. location ...location!!"

So much better then Emperor Caligula...

"Why does the sea mock me? Is it because I slept with my mother? Well, I'll show it who's boss. Prepare my legions, we attack the realm of Neptune tomorrow!"

There was another leader like that, who commanded the sea to recede as a show of his power for his troops and when it didn't, I think he may have killed himself.

You think it was genetic?

Hmmm... I wonder.

Our records of most Roman Emperors were written well after their deaths by either their detractors or their supporters so objective analysis is difficult.

Caligula was quite mad at the end but since poison and hallucinagenics were common at that time. It would be hard to determine whether his issues were nature versus nurture.

The Habsburgs on the other hand.....

I believe it was Emporer Tiberius who once said...

"Location.. location ...location!!"

So much better then Emperor Caligula...

"Why does the sea mock me? Is it because I slept with my mother? Well, I'll show it who's boss. Prepare my legions, we attack the realm of Neptune tomorrow!"

There was another leader like that, who commanded the sea to recede as a show of his power for his troops and when it didn't, I think he may have killed himself.

Barbarossa drowned in his armor, is that what you were thinking about?

I believe it was Emporer Tiberius who once said...

"Location.. location ...location!!"

So much better then Emperor Caligula...

"Why does the sea mock me? Is it because I slept with my mother? Well, I'll show it who's boss. Prepare my legions, we attack the realm of Neptune tomorrow!"

There was another leader like that, who commanded the sea to recede as a show of his power for his troops and when it didn't, I think he may have killed himself.

Barbarossa drowned in his armor, is that what you were thinking about?

Showing why moats were so simple...but so effective.

Not that this guy drowned in one....

Barbarossa drowned in his armor, is that what you were thinking about?

I don't think so. I'm not even sure it was a Western leader. My memory on the subject isn't very clear but I think it was in Japan.

Showing why moats were so simple...but so effective.

Not that this guy drowned in one....

Hey, so was covering your arrows with pine sap and tar so that they would continuosly burn.

Mind you, we had forms of napalm for more than two thousand years. The Arabian Gulf armies of Mohammed had flamethrower units called Neftrum (I think) that melted opposing enemy forces.

Showing why moats were so simple...but so effective.

Not that this guy drowned in one....

Hey, so was covering your arrows with pine sap and tar so that they would continuosly burn.

Mind you, we had forms of napalm for more than two thousand years. The Arabian Gulf armies of Mohammed had flamethrower units called Neftrum (I think) that melted opposing enemy forces.

See also:

Greek Fire.

and the idea of throwing a monkey covered in tar or pitch, onto an enemy ship, after you set it on fire.....

Monkey goes crazy...runs on the rigging......ships catches fire....

boop! Who cares...

While I'm not 100% behind the handling of the occupation, I feel that US troops have an obligation to be there. In any case, however, the people in the initial post are right. While our technology wins battles with insurgents, it doesn't stop these militias. What I'd do if I were Bush is to wait for the handover on June 30, and have the new Iraqi government decree that US troops may patrol major cities. Perhaps the Iraqis would view the government as a US puppet, but in any case, it's better than coming from up the US chain of command.
As for the foreign contracts. I'm said to see that the Iraqis simply cannot grasp that foreign companies don't hurt a nation. Rather, new capital brought in from a foreign country eventually finds its way to Iraqi workers, and that leads to more money being available. Will inflation result? Possibly. But as long as runaway inflation doesn't occur, it might not be a bad thing for Iraq.

Interesting title for a post meant to expand our view of Iraq and cast light on the Iraqi people, isn't it?

While I'm not 100% behind the handling of the occupation, I feel that US troops have an obligation to be there. In any case, however, the people in the initial post are right. While our technology wins battles with insurgents, it doesn't stop these militias. What I'd do if I were Bush is to wait for the handover on June 30, and have the new Iraqi government decree that US troops may patrol major cities. Perhaps the Iraqis would view the government as a US puppet, but in any case, it's better than coming from up the US chain of command.
As for the foreign contracts. I'm said to see that the Iraqis simply cannot grasp that foreign companies don't hurt a nation. Rather, new capital brought in from a foreign country eventually finds its way to Iraqi workers, and that leads to more money being available. Will inflation result? Possibly. But as long as runaway inflation doesn't occur, it might not be a bad thing for Iraq.
Unfortunately, the US is trying to hijack the Iraqi economy with Bremer Order # 39. That has the Iraqi's upset and rightly so. Sure foreign investment may be good but 100% control by outsiders is not.

Interesting title for a post meant to expand our view of Iraq and cast light on the Iraqi people, isn't it?
Did it help you expand your view at all?

While I'm not 100% behind the handling of the occupation, I feel that US troops have an obligation to be there. In any case, however, the people in the initial post are right. While our technology wins battles with insurgents, it doesn't stop these militias. What I'd do if I were Bush is to wait for the handover on June 30, and have the new Iraqi government decree that US troops may patrol major cities. Perhaps the Iraqis would view the government as a US puppet, but in any case, it's better than coming from up the US chain of command.
As for the foreign contracts. I'm said to see that the Iraqis simply cannot grasp that foreign companies don't hurt a nation. Rather, new capital brought in from a foreign country eventually finds its way to Iraqi workers, and that leads to more money being available. Will inflation result? Possibly. But as long as runaway inflation doesn't occur, it might not be a bad thing for Iraq.
Unfortunately, the US is trying to hijack the Iraqi economy with Bremer Order # 39. That has the Iraqi's upset and rightly so. Sure foreign investment may be good but 100% control by outsiders is not.
By June 30, however, 100% control won't happen. While the new government will increase its role in security by then, they will have control of most other institutions, such as their courts, finances, and oil reserves.

*sigh* I give up people.

I'll let New Auburnland handle this.

There is a god !!!!! And he loves me !!!! *Does happy dance*My blog will soon launch... i'm going to stop posting repetitive political commentaries on NS... just a waste of time

Just wondering why any comment is necessary at all if you aren't going to post a reply to what was said lol

They're too far right wing.

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While I'm not 100% behind the handling of the occupation, I feel that US troops have an obligation to be there. In any case, however, the people in the initial post are right. While our technology wins battles with insurgents, it doesn't stop these militias. What I'd do if I were Bush is to wait for the handover on June 30, and have the new Iraqi government decree that US troops may patrol major cities. Perhaps the Iraqis would view the government as a US puppet, but in any case, it's better than coming from up the US chain of command.
As for the foreign contracts. I'm said to see that the Iraqis simply cannot grasp that foreign companies don't hurt a nation. Rather, new capital brought in from a foreign country eventually finds its way to Iraqi workers, and that leads to more money being available. Will inflation result? Possibly. But as long as runaway inflation doesn't occur, it might not be a bad thing for Iraq.
Unfortunately, the US is trying to hijack the Iraqi economy with Bremer Order # 39. That has the Iraqi's upset and rightly so. Sure foreign investment may be good but 100% control by outsiders is not.
By June 30, however, 100% control won't happen. While the new government will increase its role in security by then, they will have control of most other institutions, such as their courts, finances, and oil reserves.
Bremer's Order 39 allows for 100% control of the banking institutions by outsiders, and most of their economy.

How is Iraq supposed to rebuild their economy with such Draconian measures?

Below is some excerpts from an article that might answer some questions about the mood of Iraqis as this process goes into the next phase.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_hill/20040525.html

Sheik Answar al-Asi doesn't think the Americans get it. "Is this the peace that the Americans promised us? The situation is bad and it's getting worse."

Academics who specialize in Iraq are fond of the phrase "the shadow society." The theory says there is a small group of influential families who rule Iraq socially and economically regardless of who rules politically. They are a tight-knit class that has survived the Ottoman and British Empires, the Hashemite monarchy and the various dictators who have come in their place.

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"Where are the contracts that the Americans have promised us? Everything in this country is built by someone else, some foreign company. Why would we help them if they do not share the wealth of our own country?"

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"Look, we have lived together for a thousand years. We know each other. I know all of the top Kurdish and Turkmen leaders. And we know how to settle our differences. There is more going on in Iraq than the United States understands. They should go. We will reach agreements peacefully."

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"The Americans are crazy. Crazy. They go everywhere in convoys. And then bang- bang. They shoot. They kill innocent people. Then it is 'I am sorry.' Sorry! What is the use of 'sorry' when they have killed so many people?"

It is a perplexing question. Why has the American army performed so inadequately in Iraq? Why has the strongest army in the world been unable to control groups of badly armed militias who have no heavy artillery, no anti-tank weapons and no body armour?


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FROM A CONTRACTOR IN IRAQ:

"If you really want to win a war like this you must do foot patrols. You must send your troops through the toughest neighbourhoods in the city three, four times a day," says one former Rhodesian army veteran who fought in the guerrilla war against Mugabe's forces in the late 1970s.

"You cannot get good intelligence driving by in a Humvee. You have to show that you are afraid of nothing. Yes, you will take causalities but in the long run far fewer than they are now. It is not just a question of hearts and minds but showing that you are the toughest people around."

This post was to try and conjure up a view within Iraq, instead of our own narrow rhetorical insights. If nothing else, it may help us to understand the people of Iraq?
Why didn't you include any quotes from the majority opinion that approves of what the Americans are doing?

Why didn't you include any quotes from the majority opinion that approves of what the Americans are doing? Because there arn't any?

This post is unsurprizingly biased why isnt there anything about the iaqies protesting against the insurgancy that is killing more civilains than american bullets and bombs combined :? we arent ones using holy sites as bases or using civilan shields or sending car bombs into unsuspecting crowds just for a chance to nail one soldier just there to do his job we wouldnt be killing any one if we wernt being shot at in the first place :?