NationStates Jolt Archive

*this article is proof for Class A Cows that George Bush cant protect americans from terrorism since hes the chief sponsor of terrorist assaults against innocent americans domestically--to hear a full debate on this book go with the author and someone names Chip Berlet go to www.democracynow.org

in the nearly 3 years since the September 11th attacks, the US government’s official inquiry has come under increasing scrutiny, particularly from families of the victims. At the public hearings of the 9/11 commission, there have been multiple protests both inside and out. And the Bush administration has refused to cooperate fully in the investigation. For weeks, National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice refused to appear before the commission, eventually saying she would appear but not under oath. But after public outcry, she ultimately testified. President Bush and Vice President Cheney met with the commission members in a non-public, closed-door meeting. They refused to give any sworn testimony, the meeting was not recorded and the handwritten notes of commission members were confiscated before they left the meeting.
In recent days, members of the 9/11 commission have warned that the panel may fail to produce a unanimous final report this summer. Meanwhile, several of the victims’family members have refused to take any money from the US government’s compensation fund—people like Ellen Mariani, who was on this program last week. Her husband Neil died on September 11th and she has rejected up to $1.8 million, calling it hush money.

There are a number of groups that have formed a movement over the past 3 years called the 9-11 Truth Movement. They allege that the official version of events on September 11 is filled with holes and has left many unanswered questions. Their case is summarized in part in a book by David Ray Griffin, a professor of Philosophy of Religion at the Claremont School of Theology in California. The book is called The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11.

Umm, this isn't proof it's a theory and perhaps a little added speculation.

The website linked doesn't even really buy it.

this is another one of those stories to spark a bit of a debate in the media. thats all.

Umm, this isn't proof it's a theory and perhaps a little added speculation.click on the link and read the debate moderated by Amy Goodman--its very compelling--if theres even the slightest indication Bush had anything to do with 911 there will be a very serious crisis in America

The website linked doesn't even really buy it.yes it does

this is another one of those stories to spark a bit of a debate in the media. thats all.Bush had the MOST to gain from 911--in every situation you have to look at who had the most to gain

Hey RA, you'll love this site..

http://www.world-action.co.uk/index4.html

Oh and I read this book last year.. it falls along the same lines as the book you're talking about..

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1592090265/ref%3Dnosim/hallbook/102-9559406-4432119

*Disclaimer, I read it, doesn't mean I believe it.

Hey RA, you'll love this site..

http://www.world-action.co.uk/index4.html

Oh and I read this book last year.. it falls along the same lines as the book you're talking about..

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1592090265/ref%3Dnosim/hallbook/102-9559406-4432119

*Disclaimer, I read it, doesn't mean I believe it.

SMITE MKULTRA! :P

Hey RA, you'll love this site..

http://www.world-action.co.uk/index4.html

Oh and I read this book last year.. it falls along the same lines as the book you're talking about..

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1592090265/ref%3Dnosim/hallbook/102-9559406-4432119

*Disclaimer, I read it, doesn't mean I believe it.

SMITE MKULTRA! :P

SMITE HIM!j/k

Hey RA, you'll love this site..

http://www.world-action.co.uk/index4.html

Oh and I read this book last year.. it falls along the same lines as the book you're talking about..

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1592090265/ref%3Dnosim/hallbook/102-9559406-4432119

*Disclaimer, I read it, doesn't mean I believe it.thanks Ill check out those links--Im also not sayin theres HARD proof at this point that Bush was involved in this terrorist assault but he must at least remain a suspect since he had motive dont you think?

Hey RA, you'll love this site..

http://www.world-action.co.uk/index4.html

Oh and I read this book last year.. it falls along the same lines as the book you're talking about..

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1592090265/ref%3Dnosim/hallbook/102-9559406-4432119

*Disclaimer, I read it, doesn't mean I believe it.

SMITE MKULTRA! :P
Ill tell Philandrea on you if you dont quit it :P
SMITE HIM!j/k

Hey RA, you'll love this site..

http://www.world-action.co.uk/index4.html

Oh and I read this book last year.. it falls along the same lines as the book you're talking about..

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1592090265/ref%3Dnosim/hallbook/102-9559406-4432119

*Disclaimer, I read it, doesn't mean I believe it.

SMITE MKULTRA! :P
Ill tell Philandrea on you if you dont quit it :P
SMITE HIM!j/k

o_0

How many times has this been done over and over again? And have those people been keeping track of all that was uncovered so far about things like who the bombers were, where they were trained, and who gave them their orders?

In addition, IIRC most Americans believe the Rice testimony

Oh right, almost forgot

SMITE MKULTRA! :?

Nothing valid to add really...

This guy is a crackpot...

Smite MKULTRA!

How many times has this been done over and over again? And have those people been keeping track of all that was uncovered so far about things like who the bombers were, where they were trained, and who gave them their orders?

In addition, IIRC most Americans believe the Rice testimony

Oh right, almost forgot

SMITE MKULTRA! :?

join the SMITE MKULTRA! club! (former smite red arrow club)

Even if you think Bush is a plonker this is taking Bush Bashing a bit too far.

SMITE BUSH, problem solved ;)

SMITE BUSH, problem solved ;)


Hey on, I'll just pray to God to remove the protestant! :lol: :wink:

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

Your an idiot.
Even us liberals dont believe this garbage.

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

Your an idiot.
Even us liberals dont believe this garbage.


Where is a mod? This is flaming.


And yes, Liberals do believe this stuff, you people wrote it!

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

Your an idiot.
Even us liberals dont believe this garbage.

Careful with the names please Backwood..

Stephanie
Game Moderator

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

Your an idiot.
Even us liberals dont believe this garbage.

Careful with the names please Backwood..

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Not to be over critical, but wow. I remember the days when full on swearing was hardly moderated at all, and now we're seeing warnings for calling people idiots. I may be wrong, but I don't think many people here are in the third grade.

Hey RA, you'll love this site..

http://www.world-action.co.uk/index4.html

*Disclaimer, I read it, doesn't mean I believe it.

Wow, that guy's been taking a few tips from Time Cube...

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

Your an idiot.
Even us liberals dont believe this garbage.

Careful with the names please Backwood..

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Not to be over critical, but wow. I remember the days when full on swearing was hardly moderated at all, and now we're seeing warnings for calling people idiots. I may be wrong, but I don't think many people here are in the third grade.

You can say that you think an idea is stupid, or that you think some thing is f*cked up.. but you can't flame a person directly.. as in name calling.. I will have been a mod for almost a year in less then 100 days.. that's always been the way it's been.. My nation is also only less then a month younger then yours.. So.... ya know.. I don't think there is any thing that you recall that I don't.. with all due respect.

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

Your an idiot.
Even us liberals dont believe this garbage.


Where is a mod? This is flaming.


And yes, Liberals do believe this stuff, you people wrote it!

what he means is that there are extemists with wierd theories on both sides which are usually rejected by the more mainstream people. Just because a few crazy liberals wrote this, doesnt mean the rest of us beleive it.

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

Your an idiot.
Even us liberals dont believe this garbage.


Where is a mod? This is flaming.


And yes, Liberals do believe this stuff, you people wrote it!

"You People"?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And you accuse others of flaming. :roll:

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

Your an idiot.
Even us liberals dont believe this garbage.


Where is a mod? This is flaming.


And yes, Liberals do believe this stuff, you people wrote it!


"You people"

It's comments like this that is making it hard to defend that we are not bad people. :roll:

Yummmie!

Nice conspiracty theory RA.

As I tell my Arab friends(they have told me about conspiracy theories in the ME that say the CIA, Bush, or the Massod(sp) were behind 9/11), if you want to see the Americans implode offer damnable evidence. If our goverment was behind it, you would see an armed revolt. If Israel was behind it, you would see the US drop them quick!

Conspiracy theories are always fun to argue.

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

Your an idiot.
Even us liberals dont believe this garbage.
Where is a mod? This is flaming. Wah! You make me sad.
And yes, Liberals do believe this stuff, you people wrote it!
Aww...puti, puti little baby. Did he make you cry?

Well, I don't believe it. Maybe cause I'm a centrist. But still the article doesn't prove anything really.

How many times has this been done over and over again? And have those people been keeping track of all that was uncovered so far about things like who the bombers were, where they were trained, and who gave them their orders?

In addition, IIRC most Americans believe the Rice testimony

Oh right, almost forgot

SMITE MKULTRA! :?every informed american is aware by now that Rice will lie thru her teeth to protect her "husband'

Nothing valid to add really...

This guy is a crackpot...

Smite MKULTRA!your just a mindless creature of the establishment--its your patriotic duty to be INFORMED

How many times has this been done over and over again? And have those people been keeping track of all that was uncovered so far about things like who the bombers were, where they were trained, and who gave them their orders?

In addition, IIRC most Americans believe the Rice testimony

Oh right, almost forgot

SMITE MKULTRA! :?

join the SMITE MKULTRA! club! (former smite red arrow club)who belongs now? just you and your puppets? :lol:

Even if you think Bush is a plonker this is taking Bush Bashing a bit too far.I like it :)

SMITE BUSH, problem solved ;)BOOO RAH!!! ^5 ^5 Steph 8)

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.stop being so dramatic

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

Your an idiot.
Even us liberals dont believe this garbage.thats why you should join the left--its not too late. Mark my words that this will be the way the future will record these events--in FDRs time Im sure no one suspected his involvement in letting pearl harbor happen either

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

Your an idiot.
Even us liberals dont believe this garbage.thats why you should join the left--its not too late. Mark my words that this will be the way the future will record these events--in FDRs time Im sure no one suspected his involvement in letting pearl harbor happen either

This stuff is what I mean by Liberal Lies.

Your an idiot.
Even us liberals dont believe this garbage.


Where is a mod? This is flaming.


And yes, Liberals do believe this stuff, you people wrote it!

what he means is that there are extemists with wierd theories on both sides which are usually rejected by the more mainstream people. Just because a few crazy liberals wrote this, doesnt mean the rest of us beleive it.it also doesnt mean that those in the extreme middle are always right either

n FDRs time Im sure no one suspected his involvement in letting pearl harbor happen either
So your saying a substantial amount of people believe that now?

Yummmie!

Nice conspiracty theory RA.

As I tell my Arab friends(they have told me about conspiracy theories in the ME that say the CIA, Bush, or the Massod(sp) were behind 9/11), if you want to see the Americans implode offer damnable evidence. If our goverment was behind it, you would see an armed revolt. If Israel was behind it, you would see the US drop them quick!

Conspiracy theories are always fun to argue.every conspiracy has elements of truth otherwise they wouldnt be so explosive

n FDRs time Im sure no one suspected his involvement in letting pearl harbor happen either
So your saying a substantial amount of people believe that now?yes

Speaking of conspiracy theories, I heard from a very reliable source that the JFK assassination was engineered almost solely by the president at the time.

No, wait....



(in case you have no concept of humor, yes, I was kidding)

Speaking of conspiracy theories, I heard from a very reliable source that the JFK assassination was engineered almost solely by the president at the time.

No, wait....



(in case you have no concept of humor, yes, I was kidding)I wouldnt say solely--he had help from the FBI and the mafia

Umm, this isn't proof it's a theory and perhaps a little added speculation.You're going soft on RedArrow...that's actually giving this too much credit, you know.

Umm, this isn't proof it's a theory and perhaps a little added speculation.You're going soft on RedArrow...that's actually giving this too much credit, you know.uh which one of us was deated and which wasnt? :?