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(Sorry this is late, wasn't on yesterday)

Did anyone have any problems with Bush's little speech monday night?
I personally found it very informative, and reassuring, but not very inspirational and motivational. I don't think he won any votes that night, but he did set a lot of promises, which could gain him a LOT of votes if he follows through... for instance, a good majority of americans strongly believe that Bush will not be able to hand over Iraq from the Coalition provisional government to the Interim government on June 30th... if he manages to pull it off, it will certainly change a lot of opinions about him.

I do think he could have done a lot more to inspire us and ensure us that we're doing the right thing... and it'd be nice if he restated his support in the guys who are being criticized the most lately, like Rumsfeld... but it wasn't all THAT bad actually.

I did learn a lot, like the basic structure of the Interim government and its purpose... I didn't know the first elections would be held so soon (January)! And I thought it was cool to mention about the Iraqi "education" minister changing into a decent, REAL educator.

John Gibson said it best... we didn't elect a speech-giver, we elected a do-gooder. And I agree. We've tried the good-looking good-sounding type before... and they've gotten us nowhere good. If Bush follows through on all his many promises, and his 5-point iraq plan, and his symbolic abu gara..ha..bib destruction, then I think he'll have this election sealed and done.

And yeah, so what if he butchers the englilish language, his character is what counts.

Anyone else have any problems with his address?

I'm not saying ANYTHING until July 1st.

I'm not saying ANYTHING until July 1st.what will you say if he fails? What if he follows through?

Bush must fail if America is to survive

It is not just his character (Which is very questionable) that counts, it is also his intelligence. He is dumb as a box of hammers.

Bush must fail if America is to survive...that just sounds scary... you sound like you're about ready to go fight for al qaeda or the iraqi insurgents :P

Is it me or does the shrub speak in rather simplistic terms?

Evil Doer
Do Gooder
Speech giver

Turning over the goverment is easy. Even you can do that! :P

Setting up a viable goverment that the people will accept is something else.

You can't take a people that have only known a totalitarian goverment, cross your arms and go "doink" you are now a democracy. When you consider that the majority of Iraqis would gladly accept a theocracy; it does not bode well for those that want a democratic goverment.

People don't care about the turn-over because they know we aren't leaving anytime soon so turning over the goverment really doesn't mean much. Especially, when you consider we will control the army....

Finally being a leader is what counts. Everybody has character. Jimmy Carter had tons of character. A really decent guy. Was he a good leader?

Bush must fail if America is to survive...that just sounds scary... you sound like you're about ready to go fight for al qaeda or the iraqi insurgents :P

I agree with MKULTRA, you wanna call me a terrorist ? Just because you are against Bush doesn't mean you are for Al-Qeada.

Bush must fail if America is to survive
...that just sounds scary... you sound like you're about ready to go fight for al qaeda or the iraqi insurgents :P
Nah, a Bush victory would play into al-Qaeda's hands. More war is exactly what they want.

Australia another of the US allies in the ever shrinking "coalition of the willing" goes to the the polls later this year.

The Australian opposition leader has referred to George W. as "most incompetent and dangerous president in living memory".

Opinion polls show that the overwhelming majority of Australian's agree with him.

It is not just his character (Which is very questionable) that counts, it is also his intelligence. He is dumb as a box of hammers.He doesn't come off that way to me. So he falls off his bike once in a while, and butchers the language..... that can easily be explained by how he was raised, and his physical inactivity lately lol

But seriously, to me, he comes off as someone who knows what he's doing.

Bush must fail if America is to survive...that just sounds scary... you sound like you're about ready to go fight for al qaeda or the iraqi insurgents :P
Nice McCarthyism there, Raysia.

Talk about scary.....

He doesn't come off that way to me. So he falls off his bike once in a while, and butchers the language..... that can easily be explained by how he was raised, and his physical inactivity lately lol

But seriously, to me, he comes off as someone who knows what he's doing.

That is even scaryer. Thank god you are not old enough to vote..

Bush must fail if America is to survive...that just sounds scary... you sound like you're about ready to go fight for al qaeda or the iraqi insurgents :P
Nice McCarthyism there, Raysia.

Talk about scary.....Sorry, just, when people say "Nush must fail," it sounds a heck of a lot like "America must fail," which is not hard to reword into "Al Qaeda must win" and "Iraq must remain a dictatorship."

He doesn't come off that way to me. So he falls off his bike once in a while, and butchers the language..... that can easily be explained by how he was raised, and his physical inactivity lately lol

But seriously, to me, he comes off as someone who knows what he's doing.

That is even scaryer. Thank god you are not old enough to vote..I am, and I will.

Bush must fail if America is to surviveSorry, just, when people say "Nush must fail," it sounds a heck of a lot like "America must fail," which is not hard to reword into "Al Qaeda must win" and "Iraq must remain a dictatorship."

This post has been clipped to illustrate a point...Thank you.

So waht you are saying is when you read this you saw :

America must fail if America is to survive ?

Weak, dude.

Australia another of the US allies in the ever shrinking "coalition of the willing" goes to the the polls later this year.

The Australian opposition leader has referred to George W. as "most incompetent and dangerous president in living memory".

Opinion polls show that the overwhelming majority of Australian's agree with him.

That is saying a hell of a lot! The Aussies have been our buds though just about everything! Probably because of the crap we went through in the Pacific.

The shrub is a dangerous man and he has to go.

What is intresting is he conviently forgets Afghanistan! A just war that everybody supported.

We went in; forced a change and ran away. Things are very f'd up there.

A work mate said his family have all moved into one household and have purchased weapons to defend themselves. Karsai only controls Kabul now. The Taliban is rebuilding everyday.

So what has he accomplished in the *baum ba bahhhh* the war on terror?

He eliminated the guy that "tried to kill my daddy!" Never mind the fact that Sadaam used to violently surpress the very fundimentalists that we are now fighting.

He doesn't come off that way to me. So he falls off his bike once in a while, and butchers the language..... that can easily be explained by how he was raised, and his physical inactivity lately lol

But seriously, to me, he comes off as someone who knows what he's doing.

That is even scaryer. Thank god you are not old enough to vote..I am, and I will.

You must have had a birthday, you told me not to long ago that you were under the voting age, and to excuse some of your views because you were young....So which is it ? :roll:

He doesn't come off that way to me. So he falls off his bike once in a while, and butchers the language..... that can easily be explained by how he was raised, and his physical inactivity lately lol

But seriously, to me, he comes off as someone who knows what he's doing.

That is even scaryer. Thank god you are not old enough to vote..I am, and I will.

You must have had a birthday, you told me not to long ago that you were under the voting age, and to excuse some of your views because you were young....So which is it ? :roll:I turned 19... in last november.

If Bush follows through on all his many promises, and his 5-point iraq plan, and his symbolic abu gara..ha..bib destruction, then I think he'll have this election sealed and done.

Anyone else have any problems with his address?

lol! when he said that, I was kinda hoping he'd say something insulting
to the arabic-speaking by accident. no such luck... :lol:

also, according to our news-channel his little promotion-program
(including the speach) was refused by the 3 biggest US-channels because he had nothing new to say...

Saw a clip where Bush said "the Iraquis can start to write their own history..." and I switched off.

Why?

The people of Iraq are descendents of some of the oldest civilisations in history, thousands of years of achievement and progress, and NOW they can start to write their own history?

Anything before the US' illegal occupation is obviously worthless and only americanised history is what counts.

The arrogance and ignorance displayed, just in that one statement, goes a long way to explaining why people around the world can't stand the US.

:twisted:

If Bush follows through on all his many promises, and his 5-point iraq plan, and his symbolic abu gara..ha..bib destruction, then I think he'll have this election sealed and done.

Anyone else have any problems with his address?

lol! when he said that, I was kinda hoping he'd say something insulting
to the arabic-speaking by accident. no such luck... :lol:

also, according to our news-channel his little promotion-program
(including the speach) was refused by the 3 biggest US-channels because he had nothing new to say...That's because the speech was more of a campaign speech than a national address... and why would they air their opponent's campaign speeches? :)

And about the name butchering... who cares? Our top anchorpeople on ALL newstations CONSTANTLY butcher names and arabic words. We all know Bush can't even pronounce ENGLISH words! Why should he care about the pronounciation of some little prison? Bush doesn't watch CNN, I'm sure he doesn't get all the hype over abu grahib 1st hand.

Bush must fail if America is to survive...that just sounds scary... you sound like you're about ready to go fight for al qaeda or the iraqi insurgents :P
Nice McCarthyism there, Raysia.

Talk about scary.....Sorry, just, when people say "Nush must fail," it sounds a heck of a lot like "America must fail," which is not hard to reword into "Al Qaeda must win" and "Iraq must remain a dictatorship."
This somehow makes it not a McCarthyism? That to be against Bush is to be against America, and therefore for Al Qaeda? You've got to be kidding me. Are you seriously this lost in your political rhetoric and dogma that you believe that any opposition to the party line is akin to being a terrorist? God lord man, pull out while you can.

Look, when I was your age I too had my fathers political opinions too. Just like you I pretended to question my beliefs in a way to justify them. Fortunately I stopped short of calling the opposition TERRORISTS. I think it's high time you do some real searching regarding your ideals. Come on, every day that goes by I lose a little more respect for the right, but at least I try to keep in mind that they want whats best, we just severly disagree on whats best. If you've lost that scope, you're only one step away from sitting in a wooded shack sending out 'mail'.

Remember when Bush said he was a uniter, not a divider? Is this your idea of uniting, calling the opposition terrorists?

Saw a clip where Bush said "the Iraquis can start to write their own history..." and I switched off.

Why?

The people of Iraq are descendents of some of the oldest civilisations in history, thousands of years of achievement and progress, and NOW they can start to write their own history?

Anything before the US' illegal occupation is obviously worthless and only americanised history is what counts.

The arrogance and ignorance displayed, just in that one statement, goes a long way to explaining why people around the world can't stand the US.

:twisted:

Come on now! He just gets excited by his Crusade....ooopss HE DIDN"T MEAN IT THAT WAY!!!! :wink:

Bush must fail if America is to survive...that just sounds scary... you sound like you're about ready to go fight for al qaeda or the iraqi insurgents :P
Nice McCarthyism there, Raysia.

Talk about scary.....Sorry, just, when people say "Nush must fail," it sounds a heck of a lot like "America must fail," which is not hard to reword into "Al Qaeda must win" and "Iraq must remain a dictatorship."
This somehow makes it not a McCarthyism? That to be against Bush is to be against America, and therefore for Al Qaeda? You've got to be kidding me. Are you seriously this lost in your political rhetoric and dogma that you believe that any opposition to the party line is akin to being a terrorist? God lord man, pull out while you can.

Look, when I was your age I too had my fathers political opinions too. Just like you I pretended to question my beliefs in a way to justify them. Fortunately I stopped short of calling the opposition TERRORISTS. I think it's high time you do some real searching regarding your ideals. Come on, every day that goes by I lose a little more respect for the right, but at least I try to keep in mind that they want whats best, we just severly disagree on whats best. If you've lost that scope, you're only one step away from sitting in a wooded shack sending out 'mail'.

Remember when Bush said he was a uniter, not a divider? Is this your idea of uniting, calling the opposition terrorists?So... if Bush fails, america wins? If Bush fails, our military dead are nothing more than ritualistic sacrifices? If Bush fails, Al Qaeda stops bugging us? I really don't get how Bush failing and America failing are mutually exclusive goals.

So... if Bush fails, america wins? If Bush fails, our military dead are nothing more than ritualistic sacrifices? If Bush fails, Al Qaeda stops bugging us? I really don't get how Bush failing and America failing are mutually exclusive goals.

I think it is funny when you do not read the post you are responding to and then put words in the mouth of the person who wrote the post....You are very funny.

So... if Bush fails, america wins? If Bush fails, our military dead are nothing more than ritualistic sacrifices? If Bush fails, Al Qaeda stops bugging us? I really don't get how Bush failing and America failing are mutually exclusive goals.

I think it is funny when you do not read the post you are responding to and then put words in the mouth of the person who wrote the post....You are very funny.LOL I said "it sounds like" and "It's scary"... that means I am asking for you guys to restate your words in something less scary and less unclear and less antiamerican. I can understand you guys wanting Bush to give up on his promises... but failure is a strong word...

So... if Bush fails, america wins? If Bush fails, our military dead are nothing more than ritualistic sacrifices? If Bush fails, Al Qaeda stops bugging us? I really don't get how Bush failing and America failing are mutually exclusive goals.
Wow, man. You're off the rails.

So... if Bush fails, america wins? If Bush fails, our military dead are nothing more than ritualistic sacrifices? If Bush fails, Al Qaeda stops bugging us? I really don't get how Bush failing and America failing are mutually exclusive goals.
Wow, man. You're off the rails.Care to explain how? That was my real question, was what you guys mean by Bush Failure and how that implies American Success.

So... if Bush fails, america wins? If Bush fails, our military dead are nothing more than ritualistic sacrifices? If Bush fails, Al Qaeda stops bugging us? I really don't get how Bush failing and America failing are mutually exclusive goals.

I think it is funny when you do not read the post you are responding to and then put words in the mouth of the person who wrote the post....You are very funny.LOL I said "it sounds like" and "It's scary"... that means I am asking for you guys to restate your words in something less scary and less unclear and less antiamerican. I can understand you guys wanting Bush to give up on his promises... but failure is a strong word...

I never realized that being against the president made you unamerican :roll:

So... if Bush fails, america wins? If Bush fails, our military dead are nothing more than ritualistic sacrifices? If Bush fails, Al Qaeda stops bugging us? I really don't get how Bush failing and America failing are mutually exclusive goals.
Wow, man. You're off the rails.Care to explain how? That was my real question, was what you guys mean by Bush Failure and how that implies American Success.

Simply put if Geroge stays in the white house America will fail. You see he is making us look like a laughing stock, he is lieing to us, and he is destroying our international relations.

So... if Bush fails, america wins? If Bush fails, our military dead are nothing more than ritualistic sacrifices? If Bush fails, Al Qaeda stops bugging us? I really don't get how Bush failing and America failing are mutually exclusive goals.
Wow, man. You're off the rails.Care to explain how? That was my real question, was what you guys mean by Bush Failure and how that implies American Success.
We'll start here: Go back to your high school, find your American History and Government teachers and slap them for not doing their jobs.

Now, go read some history and the political theory of the United States about how opposition and debate where meant as the foundation of an adaptable and growable state, that opposition and debate are requisite in a democracy.

Next, go try and find examples where opposition were classified as being against the state. I'll give you some places to start: Germany @1930s, Soviet Union...

Bush is recruiting terrorists and alienating allies, which are essential in fighting against terrorists. Al Qaeda had just as much a beef with Iraq as anyone, and now its a rallying ground for them. Congradulations. Was that worth the lives we lost?

I find it amusing that people are being reasured by Bush's coming out now with a plan for Iraq. Shouldn't that plan have been formed, I don't know, say before the US invaded?