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Crap this is not good . . . and the Iraq situation is only causing their #s to swell???

Considering that the organization is SUPER secretive, I would wonder how they got their numbers.

However, Lord help the Islamic world if a Nuke is set off on US proper.....

DP

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Crap this is not good . . . and the Iraq situation is only causing their #s to swell???

IF any of this is true, it will surely impact Bush.

The sad part is that it confirms (only if it is true) what many anti Iraq War posters have been saying from the beginning.

NOW the big question is:

HOW do you fix the problem????

Perhaps, if we fought the numbers of terrorists in the US, there might not be as many here as we actually speculate as to being.

this is all because of Bushs illegitimate war in Iraq--I swear is there ANYTHING that moron can do that isnt a monumental screw up?

there were all these suitcase nukes that were missing from the former USSR and Clinton had a program to buy them all up to get them out of circulation but of course the loser we have as president even screwed that up and he cut that program--if anyone ever dies in a suitcase nuke anywhere in the world now its BUSHS fault

this is all because of Bushs illegitimate war in Iraq--I swear is there ANYTHING that moron can do that isnt a monumental screw up?

I think I have had enough of bush now. Everyday I am noticing that the world is becoming more of a screwed place.

there were all these suitcase nukes that were missing from the former USSR and Clinton had a program to buy them all up to get them out of circulation but of course the loser we have as president even screwed that up and he cut that program--if anyone ever dies in a suitcase nuke anywhere in the world now its BUSHS fault
Very astute of the Russians to make them and 'lose' them, a Sword of Damocles hanging over the world forever. It could just as easily backfire on Russia, though.

The sad part is that it confirms (only if it is true) what many anti Iraq War posters have been saying from the beginning.


Oh no. Your wrong see? Because the Anti-wr protestors Weakened the nations resolve. Surely if everyone had been behind the president then there would be no more terrorists by now.

there were all these suitcase nukes that were missing from the former USSR and Clinton had a program to buy them all up to get them out of circulation but of course the loser we have as president even screwed that up and he cut that program--if anyone ever dies in a suitcase nuke anywhere in the world now its BUSHS fault
Very astute of the Russians to make them and 'lose' them, a Sword of Damocles hanging over the world forever. It could just as easily backfire on Russia, though.I think when the Soviet Union fell there were corrupt people who wanted to make big money selling them on the black market

The sad part is that it confirms (only if it is true) what many anti Iraq War posters have been saying from the beginning.


Oh no. Your wrong see? Because the Anti-wr protestors Weakened the nations resolve. Surely if everyone had been behind the president then there would be no more terrorists by now.thats insanity--everyone even the terrorists knows Bush isnt interested in fighting terrorism at all --his real aim is use terrorism as an excuse to do what he always wanted to do in the mideast--terrorism is Bushs best friend

there were all these suitcase nukes that were missing from the former USSR and Clinton had a program to buy them all up to get them out of circulation but of course the loser we have as president even screwed that up and he cut that program--if anyone ever dies in a suitcase nuke anywhere in the world now its BUSHS fault
There's not much proof that suitcase nukes ever existed in the first place.

this is all because of Bushs illegitimate war in Iraq?
Spoken like a true ignoramous. That "illegitimate war" is keeping terrorists busy in Iraq and not in the US.

--I swear is there ANYTHING that moron can do that isnt a monumental screw up?
Maybe we just shouldn't go after terrorists and terrorist sponsers at all. That would seem to make the loony left happy. They used the same logic when Reagan talked tough to the Soviet Union. They ended up looking like fools.

Well firstly, if they can make a nuke into an artillery shell, why cant they make one into a suitcase?

this is all because of Bushs illegitimate war in Iraq?
Spoken like a true ignoramous. That "illegitimate war" is keeping terrorists busy in Iraq and not in the US.

And secondly is it not possible that the opposition inside iraq is a result of the occupation and not of Al Qaeda is general?

--I swear is there ANYTHING that moron can do that isnt a monumental screw up?
Maybe we just shouldn't go after terrorists and terrorist sponsers at all. That would seem to make the loony left happy. They used the same logic when Reagan talked tough to the Soviet Union. They ended up looking like fools.

And thirdly Iraq had nothing to do with terror. So for those of us on the outside, you can see how we arent sure what your on about. And if your right, then still it seems quite irrisponsible to start a war and put thousands of Civilians in graves to use a whole country as bait for those who might be tempted to take up arms against America who'd otherwise have not If the U.S had just left them Alone.

there were all these suitcase nukes that were missing from the former USSR and Clinton had a program to buy them all up to get them out of circulation but of course the loser we have as president even screwed that up and he cut that program--if anyone ever dies in a suitcase nuke anywhere in the world now its BUSHS faultAnd you manage to absolve the terrorists using the weapon or any responsibility and blame it all on Bush in one fell swoop.


I congratulate you on your "awesome" mental prowess.


*sigh* Whatever happened to being responsible for one's own actions?
Gone the way of the dodo I suppose

this is all because of Bushs illegitimate war in Iraq?
Spoken like a true ignoramous. That "illegitimate war" is keeping terrorists busy in Iraq and not in the US.
Oh, is that the reason we went this week? It's so hard to keep up...

this is all because of Bushs illegitimate war in Iraq?
Spoken like a true ignoramous. That "illegitimate war" is keeping terrorists busy in Iraq and not in the US.

--I swear is there ANYTHING that moron can do that isnt a monumental screw up?
Maybe we just shouldn't go after terrorists and terrorist sponsers at all. That would seem to make the loony left happy. They used the same logic when Reagan talked tough to the Soviet Union. They ended up looking like fools.actually all the war in Iraq has done besides costing the US trillions in wasted dollars (and people dying for no rational reason) is cause a tremendous swelling in the terrorist ranks that never woulda happened if only Bush didnt make america lose the moral high ground in the wake of 911 by lying to attack a totally helpless nation just to loot their resources

there were all these suitcase nukes that were missing from the former USSR and Clinton had a program to buy them all up to get them out of circulation but of course the loser we have as president even screwed that up and he cut that program--if anyone ever dies in a suitcase nuke anywhere in the world now its BUSHS faultAnd you manage to absolve the terrorists using the weapon or any responsibility and blame it all on Bush in one fell swoop.


I congratulate you on your "awesome" mental prowess.


*sigh* Whatever happened to being responsible for one's own actions?
Gone the way of the dodo I supposeif a Bush was never in the White House there would be no such thing as arab terrorism targetting America--the only reason Osama turned against us in the first place was when Bushs father put US troops in Saudi Arabia during the first unjust war for oil in Iraq when Bushs father told Saddam he could invade Kuwait because of Kuwait slam drilling Iraqi oil then turned around and stabbed Saddam in the back for the House of Saud

I think RA is right. Ultimate resposibility has to fall somewhere. If your River gets poisoned, do you blame the people who live next to you or the people who live upstream?

I think RA is right. Ultimate resposibility has to fall somewhere. If your River gets poisoned, do you blame the people who live next to you or the people who live upstream?

But the fact they live upstream proves they poisoned the water?

RA? You are starting to sound a little rabid. Slow it down dude.

Arab terrorism was going to happen regardless of the request of the Saudis to have american troops

If you ever read Sayed Q (I blanked on his last name) who was the spiritual force for Bin Laden and Zacaraia(sp). He said the US is the enemy of Islam not because of the actions in the world, not because of our support of the Jews of Israel, but because of our principle of the seperation of church and state. Probably the best think Nasser ever did was to hang him....

Bin Laden(though I think he is dead) would not have stopped if we left Saudi.

He's always rabid.

The sad part is that it confirms (only if it is true) what many anti Iraq War posters have been saying from the beginning.


Oh no. Your wrong see? Because the Anti-wr protestors Weakened the nations resolve. Surely if everyone had been behind the president then there would be no more terrorists by now.
Well, you see, I might agree with you if I actually believed that Iraq had the ability to be the threat to the US that Bush painted them to be, but all evidence is pointing to that being a false argument.

Bush has bungled this job from the get go. The road to peace with the Islamic world does not run through a bombed out Iraq.

Report: Al-Qaida has 18,000 ready to strike

Think tank says network boosted by U.S. conflict in IraqThe Associated Press

Updated: 8:48 a.m. ET May 25, 2004

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5057703/

It's doubtless that the situation in Iraq (being seen as an occupation, prison torture etc) has been excellent fodder for America-hatred. Of course more Muslim fundies are going to become more sympathetic to Al Qaida after this farse.

We should only do things that Muslim terrorists approve of from now on. Anyone know where I can buy a Koran cheap and some texts about Whabidism? I've got to start studying. :roll:

We should only do things that Muslim terrorists approve of from now on. Anyone know where I can buy a Koran cheap and some texts about Whabidism? I've got to start studying. :roll:

There's a big difference between walking past a hornets' nest with caution and beating it with a stick and then getting surprised when you start hurting. If Bush had targeted the terrorists instead of going off on a pointless war with little result other than ticking off the Arab world, things might be different.

We should only do things that Muslim terrorists approve of from now on. Anyone know where I can buy a Koran cheap and some texts about Whabidism? I've got to start studying. :roll:

There's a big difference between walking past a hornets' nest with caution and beating it with a stick and then getting surprised when you start hurting. If Bush had targeted the terrorists instead of going off on a pointless war with little result other than ticking off the Arab world, things might be different.Different how?

We should only do things that Muslim terrorists approve of from now on. Anyone know where I can buy a Koran cheap and some texts about Whabidism? I've got to start studying. :roll:

There's a big difference between walking past a hornets' nest with caution and beating it with a stick and then getting surprised when you start hurting. If Bush had targeted the terrorists instead of going off on a pointless war with little result other than ticking off the Arab world, things might be different.Different how?

Well, for starters, you wouldn't have had the war that cost lots of lives, money, and international PR problems. The US might have had more allies hunting down terrorists in more countries, and Al Qaida wouldn't have as much material to use for getting new recruits.

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Crap this is not good . . . and the Iraq situation is only causing their #s to swell???

I think this spike is normal in it's context. The Islamo Terrorists have been put on the defensive and are fighting for survival. So recruitment is up. Propaganda wise Abu Grahib has helped them in this effort.

That is why those responsible should be tried not just for abuse but for treason. They have done more to give aid and comfort to the enemy than OBL.

SHL

We should only do things that Muslim terrorists approve of from now on. Anyone know where I can buy a Koran cheap and some texts about Whabidism? I've got to start studying. :roll:

There's a big difference between walking past a hornets' nest with caution and beating it with a stick and then getting surprised when you start hurting. If Bush had targeted the terrorists instead of going off on a pointless war with little result other than ticking off the Arab world, things might be different.Different how?

Well, for starters, you wouldn't have had the war that cost lots of lives, money, and international PR problems. The US might have had more allies hunting down terrorists in more countries, and Al Qaida wouldn't have as much material to use for getting new recruits.

War always costs lives. War is always horribly ugly. War always kills civillians. War is always expensive monetarily. Nothing new there.

Do you think that the nations who have a stake in opposing the Islamo Facists will no longer pursue their interests?

Abu Grahib, et al have caused serious damage and have aided the enemy, but we have to move past that and not get mired down on that alone. I think that the die has been set regarding proper prisoner protocols. It is hardly woth it. If you have a hard subject there are better means of extracting information.

SHL

You can't fight 'terrorism' with force. It's like Greek Fire. The energy generated causes the atoms of water to seperate into hydrogen and oxygen, thus feeding the flames.

Er, hang on...

Ah yes.
Why do people become terrorists? Not because they hate freedom or democracy. Because the see themselves and their brothers/sisters as threatened by a militaristic capitalist edifice threatening to encroach on their cultures and values. There is much that America could do to help poorer countries. It does very little of this, and what it does/could do is eclipsed by the percieved threat. Resolving, presumably, that it is better to die on one's feet than live on one's knees, they seek to join a resistance movement.
Unfortunately, there are some dodgy resistance movements out there.

It seems neccessary to use violence because the US is disinclined to pursue or endorse non-violent means, preferring, it seems, to confirm terrorists' image of them.

Terrorists in N. Ireland have been negotiated with for 30 years. The (yes corrupt and extermist) Taleban, who only harboured a (yes, one) terrorist, were given a two week ultimatum, and then bombed into the ground.
And Britain supported it. :cry:

And who hears about Afghanistan now?

But yes, to summate: the way to fight terrorists is not to provide them with further justification and reason to hate you, but to deprive them of ammunition by being grown up about things.

And many of the issues that terrorists care about, such as the right to not have one's culture eroded, justice for displaced people in Israel, and the threat of a large nuclear power are legitimate, even if thei methods are not, and SHOULD have been addressed as part of routine humanitarian concerns.

You can't fight 'terrorism' with force. It's like Greek Fire. The energy generated causes the atoms of water to seperate into hydrogen and oxygen, thus feeding the flames.

Er, hang on...

Ah yes.
Why do people become terrorists? Not because they hate freedom or democracy. Because the see themselves and their brothers/sisters as threatened by a militaristic capitalist edifice threatening to encroach on their cultures and values. There is much that America could do to help poorer countries. It does very little of this, and what it does/could do is eclipsed by the percieved threat. Resolving, presumably, that it is better to die on one's feet than live on one's knees, they seek to join a resistance movement.
Unfortunately, there are some dodgy resistance movements out there.

It seems neccessary to use violence because the US is disinclined to pursue or endorse non-violent means, preferring, it seems, to confirm terrorists' image of them.

Terrorists in N. Ireland have been negotiated with for 30 years. The (yes corrupt and extermist) Taleban, who only harboured a (yes, one) terrorist, were given a two week ultimatum, and then bombed into the ground.
And Britain supported it. :cry:

And who hears about Afghanistan now?

But yes, to summate: the way to fight terrorists is not to provide them with further justification and reason to hate you, but to deprive them of ammunition by being grown up about things.

And many of the issues that terrorists care about, such as the right to not have one's culture eroded, justice for displaced people in Israel, and the threat of a large nuclear power are legitimate, even if thei methods are not, and SHOULD have been addressed as part of routine humanitarian concerns.

Your whole post can be summed up in "Give the terrorist what he wants and he won't have any reason to kill you"...well..isn't that just swell... let's just cave into them....heck..I'm gonna find me the nearest criminal, hand him my guns and say..see..now that I have no guns you won't feel the need to rob me..I'm gonna give him the key to my truck because then he won't feel so deprived that he has to steal my truck...I knew..I knew it..because I..and thereby extension my country is successful we are responsible for the terrorists actions...because the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia requested US forces in their country at one time we are responsible for Osama's downward spiral into terrorism...we bastards..

One word also sums it up..."appeasement"....

You know what...I want them to join Al-Queda...I want every mother's son of the fundamentalists who believes in this Wahabbist spiel to join... that way when we finally do get around to killing the right terrorists...we wont' have to look so hard...in fact..I say let's get them all in one place, the only problem being where.

I say let's get them all in one place, the only problem being where.
Where?
Tel-Aviv...

I say let's get them all in one place, the only problem being where.
Where?
Tel-Aviv...

I was thinking either Mecca....mebbe Riyadh,Damascus, Beirut (East across the Green Line of course into muslim-held territory), possibly Najaf..all these places come to mind..but now that you mention it..not Tel-Aviv...but Ramallah sounds good.

One word also sums it up..."appeasement"....

Complete and utter bollocks Salishe. Finding the root causes of terrorism and helping to stop them is not "appeasement". Helping third-world countries out without forcing them to change government or become slaves to the WTO and IMF is not "appeasement". Listening to arab views and fears, sparking dialogue between nations is not "appeasement".

An eye for an eye makes the world blind.

I say let's get them all in one place, the only problem being where.
Where?
Tel-Aviv...
not Tel-Aviv...
Why not...
Just Nuke Al-Quaeda and all the other terrorists in Tel aviv and get it over with...

I say let's get them all in one place, the only problem being where.
Where?
Tel-Aviv...
not Tel-Aviv...
Why not...
Just Nuke Al-Quaeda and all the other terrorists in Tel aviv and get it over with...

ahmm..because the source of the terrorist school of thought is (1)Islamic in nature..to wit..the Wahabbist school of thought who believes Jihad against all Western or at the very least non-Islamic nations and believes that using their children in order to become living bombs is acceptable (2) the schools of that thought are located in Mecca, Riyadh, oh..forgot Pakistan (ally?..or merely making themselves look good like the Saudis), Damascus, and oh..Beirut, and (3)Israel for lack of anything better is the only stable democracy in the middle east....can you think of one Arab government that truly looks after the welfare of their own citizens and not their own fat pockets?

I say let's get them all in one place, the only problem being where.
Where?
Tel-Aviv...
not Tel-Aviv...
Why not...
Just Nuke Al-Quaeda and all the other terrorists in Tel aviv and get it over with...

ahmm..because the source of the terrorist school of thought is ...

The terrorist is school of thought is :
"when Everything else fails...use Terrorism"...

Terrorism is an act of despair...its Much like suicide..

In the piece of land that the British eventualy declared a Jewish state(AKA Israel)...The First people to use terrorism were...the Jews themselves :!:

its either blow their brains out or give them candy in Salishes eyes it seems

- Why can't you see a middle road Salishe? Why don't you acknowledge that there could be a more thoughtful approach to solving an issue? Violence begets violence. By your kill em all and let god sort em out attitude YOU are the ones playing into terrorist hands by urging the US to mirror the attrocities that the terrorists would expect from the US.

Don't you believe in things like covert ops and counter-intelligence? It seems everything gets resolved with bombs in your eyes.

you cant win against terrorists fighting in a conventional war--look at Israel

We should only do things that Muslim terrorists approve of from now on. Anyone know where I can buy a Koran cheap and some texts about Whabidism? I've got to start studying. :roll:

There's a big difference between walking past a hornets' nest with caution and beating it with a stick and then getting surprised when you start hurting. If Bush had targeted the terrorists instead of going off on a pointless war with little result other than ticking off the Arab world, things might be different.Different how?

Well, for starters, you wouldn't have had the war that cost lots of lives, money, and international PR problems. The US might have had more allies hunting down terrorists in more countries, and Al Qaida wouldn't have as much material to use for getting new recruits.The loss of lives is very unfortunate. The loss of money is not very important. International PR problems, huh, SO WHAT! More allies, like before the war in Iraq, a few with some token support and many doing nothing. Thanks, but no thanks. Al Queada was having so many problems finding fanaitcs to kill themselves for Bin Laden and company before?

Well I think its wonderful you dont care what others thnk of you. But when you come back to the real world dont expect me to include you in my Tightly knit clique.

Well I think its wonderful you dont care what others thnk of you. But when you come back to the real world dont expect me to include you in my Tightly knit clique.Some love to say that the current image and opinion of the US is the fault of George W. Bush and the war in Iraq. That's bullshit. International opinion of the US seems to remain constant. In many situations a constant can be and should be ignored. Which real world are you talking about? One in which my national leaders and the citizens of my country wait for permission from and kisses the ass of a world that hates, fears ans resents them? You can keep it.

i think terrorism is going to win.

i think terrorism is going to win.without social justice first terrorism always wins--war alone is not the answer